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USA Waging Economic War Against China
BusinessMirror Newspaper ^ | 3-20-2208 | John Mangun

Posted on 03/22/2008 9:41:31 PM PDT by manilaman

US waging economic war against China

Outside the Box By JOHN MANGUN

Why have the prices of commodities like oil and gold risen so dramatically in the last year? Why has the dollar fallen so much? Normal business cycle? Bad management from the world’s financial institutions? And why hasn’t the world’s largest and strongest economy, backed by the most powerful government, been able to change the course of the situation? Perhaps the larger picture is that the United States is waging an economic war against China.

The New York stock market rallied some 400 points Tuesday night, prompting an increase in prices across Asia. Even the Philippines participated a little. US stock prices reacted favorably to the news that the Federal Reserve lowered interest rates. Bloomberg: “The Fed has cut the benchmark lending rate by 2 percentage points this year, the most aggressive easing since the federal funds rate became an explicit target of policy in the late 1980s.”

But don’t get too excited because you must look not just at the “big” picture, but the “whole” picture.

Conventional and common wisdom talks about the recession facing the United States and the potential that an economic slowdown is confronting the globe. There is little indication that a “normal” economic slowdown is happening; normal meaning that production is dropping. It is not so much that production is going down but that the end-result of production, buying, is dropping. If you look around the world at virtually every country in every economic and wealth group, people are wealthier today on the average than at any other time in history. But if people are wealthier, why aren’t they purchasing? One word: inflation.

Prices are going through the roof around the world. Well, that is obviously the fault of high oil prices, right? For example, Kuwait reports that inflation is at a 15-year high. China is very worried and the United States is ignoring the issue in favor of trying to keep the financial system sound.

World inflation has been in a downtrend since 1990, but prices are expected to show heavy increases in 2008, potentially reversing a 15-year movement. Traditionally, high interest rates were a strong indication of inflation trends. In the last 20 years, inflation was best illustrated by a weak dollar and strong gold and commodity prices. And we now have the dollar at historic lows and gold at historic highs, with both of these trends showing little likelihood of changing.

Then we must ask, why is this happening? Why have the prices of commodities like oil and gold risen so dramatically in the last year? Why has the dollar fallen so much? Normal business cycle? Bad management from the world’s financial institutions? And why hasn’t the world’s largest and strongest economy, backed by the most powerful government, been able to change the course of the situation?

Perhaps the larger picture is that the United States is waging an economic war against China.

The United States could strengthen the value of the dollar. It has not. China is hurt because now Chinese products are very expensive in the United States, and this will reduce the US trade deficit with China. China must import huge amounts of oil and strategic metals which are very much more expensive now. China holds hundreds of millions of physical dollars, the value of which is now much less.

China has refused to revalue its currency to a realistic level to improve its trade position with the United States. China has used its huge dollar reserves as a sword against the United States by threatening to sell those dollars, and thereby causing the dollar to drop in value. In effect, the United States is using China’s strength against China.

In order for China to maintain the levels of its trade with the United States, it will be forced to lower the value of its currency. However, if it does that, it faces two major problems. Foreign direct investment (FDI) into China would become less expensive, and China is worried that more and cheaper FDI would spur China’s inflation. Further, a devalued currency would reduce the profit to China for its exported goods.

If China keeps it currency at its present levels, the United States will buy less. The United States wanted a stronger yuan to reduce trade, which China was unwilling to do. That objective is now achieved by a weaker dollar.

China’s dollar holdings are worth much less when buying goods like oil and metals that China depends on for its development and growth. Further, China has been talking and trying for some time to diversify its foreign-reserve holdings form dollars to other currencies and gold. Now, their dollars are worth much less when buying gold, yen and euros.

The current crisis hitting the financial institutions looks to me like a normal business-cycle shakeout not unlike the dot-com IPO fiasco of the 1990s, the savings-and-loan and foreign-country debt crisis of the 1980s and the personal credit crisis of the 1970s.

Back then, the US government bailed out Wall Street, Mexico and the banks, among others, without receiving much in return. This time, the “crisis” is being used to further the US economic position, long-term position, particularly with regard to China. From Sun Tzu: “All warfare is based on deception.” -- Business Mirror http://businessmirror.com.ph/0320-222008/opinion05.html


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boycottchina; china; dollar; dontbuymadeinchina; economy; trade
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1 posted on 03/22/2008 9:41:33 PM PDT by manilaman
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To: manilaman

Cry Havoc and let Slip the Dogs of Economic War!!!!!!!!! F U CHINA


2 posted on 03/22/2008 9:50:40 PM PDT by steel_resolve (If you can't stand behind our troops, then please stand in front...)
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To: manilaman

We’re waging economic war against China? How? Buy buying everything in Wal-Mart? I suspect if we keep it up, we might be able to buy every scrap of plastic over there, and soon enough, we’ll own the world’s supply of cheap plastic stuff! Yes! Take that, Mao!


3 posted on 03/22/2008 9:52:32 PM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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To: manilaman
US Dollar to Chinese Yuan Exchange rate:

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4 posted on 03/22/2008 9:53:34 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: manilaman
Hey, I said this a few weeks ago on the FreeRepublic....

I think liberal journalist read our random post here at the FR and steal our ideas.

Yes, we are waging an economic war against China. No, liberal journalist, no matter how well they write, have any insight to matters local or international.

Only Conservatives can see the future. And I predict, Obama is a Gramschi communistic rat racist.

5 posted on 03/22/2008 9:55:22 PM PDT by Porterville (I hasten karmic justice through revenge.)
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To: manilaman

The Philippines Should Become The 51st State

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/jan/article528.html


6 posted on 03/22/2008 9:56:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: kittycatonline.com

by short changing their economic infrastructure. They have to look else where... but there is nowhere else to look besides s.e. Asia.


7 posted on 03/22/2008 9:56:35 PM PDT by Porterville (I hasten karmic justice through revenge.)
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To: manilaman

Bookmark for morning read. Night All!


8 posted on 03/22/2008 9:58:17 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: manilaman

This article is nonsense.


9 posted on 03/22/2008 10:02:04 PM PDT by devere
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To: manilaman

The article is right on in many respects. I can point to posts of mine from a year ago stating that the drive to weaken the dollar was focused on China and its reluctance to revalue the Yuan up.

The article contradicts itself with these two statements however:

“China is hurt because now Chinese products are very expensive in the United States”

“China has refused to revalue its currency to a realistic level”

As the chart above shows, the dollar has lost about 15% of it’s value. Not nearly as dramatic as the difference with the Euro and Pound. By and large, Chinese products are not much more expensive in the USA and we are using that to our advantage. We get nice big screen TVs, they get a few more pieces of paper.

These two statement sum it up completely:

“In effect, the United States is using China’s strength against China.”

“That objective is now achieved by a weaker dollar.”

The price of oil, which is denominated in dollars, is hurting China as much if not more than the US.

I for one believe this policy is correct for the long run and look forward to adding more US manufacturing jobs on the payroll in the years to come.


10 posted on 03/22/2008 10:03:16 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just a question ....if US imposes tariffs etc on China do they not just pass on that cost to the homers that shop at the Great Wall of Mart’s , Targets, SAM’s, Price Clubs, Costco’s, Bed Bath’s and Boobs etc etc in Podunk USA as they maintain their profit margin ?

Just asking.......:o)

Stay safe !


11 posted on 03/22/2008 10:06:13 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: manilaman

Bump for later read


12 posted on 03/22/2008 10:08:28 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Senator McCain, what did GWB promise you back in 2000? And you believed him? BWAHAAAAA!)
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To: manilaman

Interesting premise. Not sure if I buy it. It seems to me that the Red Chinese are going to own us lock, stock and barrel. If we are trying to hurt their economic power, I’m all for it. Seems like everything I buy these days is Made in China. Hard to find anything manufactured in America anymore.


13 posted on 03/22/2008 10:09:01 PM PDT by Astronaut
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To: manilaman

BTW, Welcome to FreeRepublic manilaman.

Tell us about yourself. Are you the author?


14 posted on 03/22/2008 10:09:47 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: devere
I agree with you. Perhaps we can send China the sub prime flu.
15 posted on 03/22/2008 10:11:24 PM PDT by tongass kid
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To: Astronaut
It seems to me that the Red Chinese are going to own us lock, stock and barrel.

Some said the exact same thing about the Japanese about 20 years ago.

16 posted on 03/22/2008 10:14:48 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Benedict Arnold was against the Terrorist Surveillance Program)
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To: manilaman

my favorite freeper (and all around good guy) has been saying for years that the declining dollar has a method to its apparent madness, the primary one being the encouragement of a yuan that floats like the currencies of all the other major industrialized nations.


17 posted on 03/22/2008 10:16:38 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Free New York)
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To: manilaman; AmericanInTokyo

AIT? What’s your take on this?

The only reason why I can’t buy this completely is because many other nations, not just China, have huge dollar reserves and are hurting because of the dollar devaluation.

It’s causing a frenzy here in Japan. And, if the United States could strengthen the dollar, I am sure Prime Minister Fukuda would be on the phone screaming about it.

Japan has not totally recovered from the burst economic bubble of 1988 and a lot of people are extremely nervous as indicators haven’t really stabilized in a positive way.


18 posted on 03/22/2008 10:18:24 PM PDT by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why inflict our dysfunction on a country full of good people?


19 posted on 03/22/2008 10:18:48 PM PDT by ikka
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To: TCats

For later read


20 posted on 03/22/2008 10:21:50 PM PDT by TCats (The Clintons Are Not Just Wrong - They Are Certifiable AND Dangerous! See my Page)
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To: manilaman
Wage economic war against China by slamming the US economy into recession? Riiight.

The Dollar is devaluing because of the twin deficits, not some war plan.

21 posted on 03/22/2008 10:24:27 PM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: manilaman

I’d like to think the weak dollar was part of some secret strategery on the part of the Bush adminstration, but frankly I doubt it. I just don’t think anybody there is thinking about the long term, nationalistic interest of the USA.


22 posted on 03/22/2008 10:25:12 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: manilaman

Yes, trashing our own economy makes so much more sense as a strategy than tougher trade agreements.


23 posted on 03/22/2008 10:26:12 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Some said the exact same thing about the Japanese about 20 years ago.

The world's greatest creditor nation - Japan. The world's greatest debtor - you guessed it the US.

24 posted on 03/22/2008 10:29:45 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Hugin
I just don’t think anybody there is thinking about the long term, nationalistic interest of the USA.

Bush's steadfastness with the Iraqi war proves the above statement isn't true.

25 posted on 03/22/2008 10:34:08 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: durasell

With China as part of the WTO (and formerly, most favored status), “tougher trade agreements” are impossible to implement.

You go to war with the economic tools you have, not with the ones you wish you had.


26 posted on 03/22/2008 10:34:17 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Incorrigible

Congress has been threatening tariffs for a couple years now and nothing has come of it.


27 posted on 03/22/2008 10:42:05 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: manilaman
Perhaps the larger picture is that the United States is waging an economic war against China.

Rove is a GENIUS!!!!

28 posted on 03/22/2008 10:47:13 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("Ah! but it was something to have at least a choice of nightmares.")
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To: durasell

Congress is impotent. And with all the ChiCom money flowing to the Clintons over the years, if she winds up stealing the nomination, you can be sure we’ll be sending our military secrets to China in addition to our dollars!


29 posted on 03/22/2008 10:48:23 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Incorrigible

Congress is impotent


Actually, that’s not true, either. They just passed the toy safety bill that will put a serious dent in Chinese production.

Bottomline — the whole current economic mess, including subprime mortgages, weird Wall Street financial instruments, highly-leveraged hedge funds, etc. is are not part of some grand, long term design to wage war economic war against China.


30 posted on 03/22/2008 10:53:53 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I should have included the word “economic” in my statement. That was what this article is about, so that’s what I was referring to.


31 posted on 03/22/2008 10:54:00 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: Incorrigible

I can’t really pass judgment on the policy if it in fact really exists. All I know is that debasing your currency is a very dicey matter that requires the utmost in caution. I am reminded of the mental patient holding a gun to his head and waring the staff, “Come close and I’ll shoot.” However, on the other hand, the must still have some value. If we do the McDonald’s comparison test of how much a big mac costs in the US and the EU, we find that for the same burger the cost is over double in the EU. Therefore the disparity in values indicates that the dollar is trading at way too depressed a level vis a vis the Euro. Next, the weak dollar is absolutely killing manufacturing in the EU. BMW is shifting major production over here and you can expect many other Euro manufacturers to follow their lead. Airbust is really screwed since all of their planes are sold in dollars.


32 posted on 03/22/2008 10:54:16 PM PDT by appeal2 (r)
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To: Hugin

Got it.

I’ve been of the opinion from the first month that the dollar fell, way back when, that this is part of a long term strategy.

Don’t have any proof beyond what is mentioned in this article though, and he doesn’t have any real proof either, just assertions.


33 posted on 03/22/2008 10:57:36 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Ronin
The fate of China and U.S. is made to interlock because of the peculiar path the so-called globalization has taken.

During the boom time, this works as a leverage China can use to push around U.S. However, when the bad time hits, this leverage turns against China. China would fall harder and farther. These days, China even manage to dabble on financial speculation even with their short history of market economy. They feel they reached the top and nobody can touch them. However, their confidence is illusionary. They have even shakier economic system, with less talent to cope with potential crisis. They are now hooked into volatile financial system. This makes things only worse.

The devaluation of dollar now is not directed against China. It might have been true last year. The devaluation is now the necessity if Fed wants to entertain any hope of salvaging financial system. China made tons of money from U.S. spending binge bankrolled by ridiculously big asset bubble, propped up by foreign capital inflow to U.S. financial market. Now that asset bubble is popping and consumption is going south, the dollar is tanking, and investors are flocking to commodities raising their price sky high. However, principal driver of commodity price-hike is vastly increased demand from China and India.

These events are not orchestrated by U.S. to hurt China. U.S. is just trying to dig out of the looming catastrophe. China got caught just as any other countries in the world. However, China is more vulnerable than others because of the way their economy and society work.

China has been the biggest beneficiary of U.S. push for globalism. Now that U.S. economy is going down, it could suffer from the biggest fallout, if you factor in social/political damage as well as economic loss.

This development is structural. It is preordained by the way two economies have been interacting.

34 posted on 03/22/2008 10:59:49 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: Porterville
Yes, we are waging an economic war against China

You'll know we are waging war against china when Diane Feinstein sells all her steel factories and hotels in Shanghai, when JP Morgan disincorporates in China and moves their office elsewhere, and when Prescott Bush settles his tab at the Chicom hilton and moves somewhere else.

There is NO WAY the crooked politicians who sold our domestic economy to China so they could become wealthy, would risk that wealth by committing 'economic warfare' against china. why they have already hedged their bets by investing there, and board member of Walmart Hillary will not do anything but make sure china wins with every bill she signs, to keep her personal fortune flourishing.

When you see the Bushes, the clintons, the feinsteins et al bailing from China, then maybe your claim may come true.
35 posted on 03/22/2008 11:04:54 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: appeal2

bump


36 posted on 03/22/2008 11:05:02 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Incorrigible

This also has the effect of making all that American debt the Chinese bought up.... worth a whole lot less than what they thought it was...


37 posted on 03/22/2008 11:05:17 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: manilaman
USA Waging Economic War Against China

I thought that is was the other way around...

38 posted on 03/22/2008 11:06:17 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: appeal2

All of this is a problem... how?

1: IMHO, the dollar has been overvalued since the 90s.
2: The European industries sold arms to our enemies in the ME. Why should I feel sad for them getting the shaft? As far as I am concerned, those that sold arms to Iraq after Desert Storm (French and German companies) need to go bankrupt.
3: Remember all that foreign outsourcing people were complaining about? Well, it no longer makes sense, so the jobs are coming back.


39 posted on 03/22/2008 11:08:15 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: durasell
They just passed the toy safety bill that will put a serious dent in Chinese production.

Say wha? The Chinese will just be more careful about the lead paint for a while until the dust clears. The serious dent is coming from manufacturers deciding to keep more work in the US. It will take years though. A lot of capacity as well as know-how has been lost in the past 30 years. Many of the most industrious recent college grads head for investment banking or law firms. It’s going to take a long while before actually making stuff regains cache with the younger set.

I don’t claim that subprime mortgages, weird Wall Street financial instruments or highly-leveraged hedge funds are part of some grand plan. I would say they are the result of government policies that encouraged an “ownership society” that President Bush has mentioned quite often. Qualifying people who were previously unqualified to own homes requires some financial trickery and having the government back up those mortgages (Fannie and Freddie) involves issues of “moral hazard” for us the taxpayers. There is also a correlation between defaults and areas of high concentration of illegal aliens. Again, not a grand plan to batter China but certainly a result of inaction of the federal government.

The economic mess is only really a mess on Wall Street. I’m not saying high gas prices don’t hurt, but I still see lots and lots of V8 SUVs driving to the mall. It’s a sad fact (for me who as an engineer, who appreciates efficiency) that the average gas mileage for passenger vehicles is lower now than 20 years ago. As a percent of income, gas prices are not as damaging to the family pocketbook as they were in the 80’s. When that happens, we’ll know pain.

40 posted on 03/22/2008 11:11:16 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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This also has the effect of making all that American debt the Chinese bought up.... worth a whole lot less than what they thought it was...

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41 posted on 03/22/2008 11:14:24 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Hugin

My thoughts, exactly.

The Bush administration can even secure our southern border, which would end illegal immigration and 90% of the drugs brought into our country.

Why would they even care about an economic war with China? Red China probably owns most of the pols in DC anyway.


42 posted on 03/22/2008 11:14:42 PM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Great post. Couldn’t have said it better.


43 posted on 03/22/2008 11:15:09 PM PDT by Ymani Cricket ("It is my experience that Senators focus only on pleasing those who fund their campaigns" Obi-Wan)
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To: appeal2
All I know is that debasing your currency is a very dicey matter that requires the utmost in caution.

The trouble for the next administration is abundantly clear. I will concede we are on Category 6 rapids and none of the candidates have experience as river guides.

We are headed into a very inflationary period. We know how to stop it thanks to Paul Volker. However, who will have the same visionary leadership as Ronald Reagan to encourage the Fed to slam on the breaks and take the recessionary hit and then come out stronger on the other side with lower taxes and more incentives?

We may be doomed!

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44 posted on 03/22/2008 11:24:31 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Astronaut

I went looking for some acrylic paints this week. I was just doing a small job and wanted to get one of the starter sets. I found one made in China for seven bucks. Everything made in the US was $12 or more. It’s difficult to pay nearly twice as much for the same thing.


45 posted on 03/22/2008 11:33:49 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: Incorrigible

Those jobs aren’t coming back. And they certainly won’t be coming back in a weakened economy.

“The economic mess is only really a mess on Wall Street” sounds a lot like the 1930s mantra of “What happens on Wall Street doesn’t reach Main Street.” And we all know that wasn’t true then and probably isn’t true now.


46 posted on 03/22/2008 11:59:05 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: steel_resolve

If the dollar continues its downward slide, OPEC and other commodity producers will be tempted to price their goods in other currencies.

A weak dollar is a double edged sword. Manufacturing investment will increase, but no one wants to see the value of his external reserves shrink by 30%.


47 posted on 03/23/2008 12:31:42 AM PDT by KingJaja
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To: manilaman

bookmark


48 posted on 03/23/2008 1:40:14 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: steel_resolve
Pretty much the way I see things!

LLS

49 posted on 03/23/2008 2:32:45 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Could I ever vote for mcstain? osamabama hussein may convince me yet!)
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To: ikka

Yeah right.

LLS


50 posted on 03/23/2008 2:35:05 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Could I ever vote for mcstain? osamabama hussein may convince me yet!)
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