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Pilot's gun discharges on US Airways flight
wcnc via Drudge Report ^ | March 23, 2008 | DIANA RUGG

Posted on 03/23/2008 6:14:42 PM PDT by RDTF

CHARLOTTE, N.C.-- A US Airways pilot’s gun accidentally discharged during a flight from Denver to Charlotte Saturday, according to as statement released by the airline. The statement said the discharge happened on Flight 1536, which left Denver at approximately 6:45am and arrived in Charlotte at approximately 11:51am.

The Airbus A319 plane landed safely and none of the flight’s 124 passengers or five crew members was injured, according to the statement. It was a full flight. An airline spokeswoman said the plane has been taken out of service to make sure it is safe to return to flight. A Transportation Safety Administration spokeswoman reached by WCNC Sunday said the pilot is part of TSA’s Federal Flight Deck Officer (FFDO) program, which trains pilots to carry guns on flights.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; airlines; armedpilots; banglist; ffdo; tsa; usairways
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To: RDTF

I wonder how many lives have been saved by a spare round in the chamber versus how many legs and feet have been shot accidentally. I can see having a chambered round on patrol in a war zone. Otherwise, I think it’s stupid practice.


101 posted on 03/23/2008 7:14:07 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: Eaker

That wasn’t bad mouthing, Eaker. You’ll know it if I ever bad mouth you, and it wouldn’t come on a fire arms thread to be sure!


102 posted on 03/23/2008 7:14:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Eaker

Everybody knows that Glocks go off by themselves.

(Ducking)


103 posted on 03/23/2008 7:14:52 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Eternal_Bear
what did it impact? No damage anywhere? Was it a magic bullet?

They're taking the plane out of service to look and see where the bullet went.

104 posted on 03/23/2008 7:14:57 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Red6

Actually, revolvers are deceiving in that they are internally much more complicated (more moving parts) than a semiauto. Outwardly, they are indeed simpler to use. If you like them, than that is the weapon for you. I like them as well, especially in .357 although it is not my own first choice when I go shooting. I’ve recommended them many times to people who only want to own one handgun that is simple to operate.


105 posted on 03/23/2008 7:16:20 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Ask me again tomorrow.)
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To: RDTF

Kinda like an SUV discharging itself into oncoming traffic?


106 posted on 03/23/2008 7:16:32 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: RDTF
All I saw in the story was this:

Three men in the car being chased by police jumped out and ran, officers said. One was tackled and it was at that point that the officer accidentally shot herself.

How do you know she was holstering her weapon?

107 posted on 03/23/2008 7:16:57 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: infantrywhooah
Dollars to donuts the pilot was playing with it. Weapons don’t “accidently” discharge without someone pulling a trigger. In all my years of being around weapons I have never had one discharge without some input from me.

Can't go into it, but suffice it to say, there is actually an extremely good reason for this. I am not sure what happened, but the possibility of AD is a part of the classified process, without anyone "pulling the trigger."

For the record, this group of LEOs have the lowest number ADs of any Federal Law Enforcement group - in fact, it isn't even close.
108 posted on 03/23/2008 7:17:23 PM PDT by safisoft
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To: Eaker

Eaker..,

Now tell us when you got this gun god complex going. (snicker, duck & hide)


109 posted on 03/23/2008 7:18:00 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Kirkwood
FFDO's carry a .40 cal HK USP compact with the LEM trigger. The LEM trigger still uses a hammer, but the spring is partially loaded when the slide is cycled. Somewhere around a 6.5 lbs trigger pull.

As far as it being unholstered, it is supposed to be holstered in an issue holster. Recently FFDOs were being issued a new holster that had a slot to insert a padlock for transport.

110 posted on 03/23/2008 7:18:22 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Travis McGee

If I wasn’t so old and you weren’t a SEAL I’d search ya out!

;<)


111 posted on 03/23/2008 7:19:10 PM PDT by Eaker (2 Thessalonians 3:10 “... He that will not work, neither should he eat.”)
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To: nuconvert
MORE Training

Agreed, start with basic flight training because this guy is in no wise a "professional" if he is stupid enough to mishandle a firearm.

It's unfortunate they didn't identify the idiot pilot so the public could avoid his flights instead of simply never flying US Airways again...
112 posted on 03/23/2008 7:19:20 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: bobby.223

If you look closely I think you can see some clear plastic goggles on the guy with the gun to his own head. Hard to tell for sure, the pic isn’t high resolution enough.


113 posted on 03/23/2008 7:19:50 PM PDT by Content Provider
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To: wrench
Less is more.

The more knobs, levers, buttons, you add the more worthless, but lawyer and liberal Politburo acceptable, the gun becomes. Your finger is your safety. Don't put it on the trigger if you don't plan to shoot, how's that?

114 posted on 03/23/2008 7:19:54 PM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: AFreeBird

Any pistol with a decocker lever is perfectly safe with a round in the chamber. Actually, now that I’m thinking on it, any pistol is perfectly safe with a round in the chamber, so long as it’s a double action or the safety is on, or both.


115 posted on 03/23/2008 7:20:22 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: MartinStyles
I believe pilots are all supposed to carry H&K USP’s. If so, there’s no ‘accident’ possible.

Close. It isn't the weapon that can cause a discharge, it is another piece of equipment, other than a finger, that can cause it.

If someone showed you pictures, you would laugh out loud, but it is no laughing matter. Don't blame the pilot.
116 posted on 03/23/2008 7:20:55 PM PDT by safisoft
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To: MHGinTN

Maybe we can go yell at each other on an Obama thread!

;<)


117 posted on 03/23/2008 7:21:38 PM PDT by Eaker (2 Thessalonians 3:10 “... He that will not work, neither should he eat.”)
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To: Lancey Howard

I heard the news report

I found a link that mentions it:
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0308/505729.html


118 posted on 03/23/2008 7:22:07 PM PDT by RDTF
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To: USNBandit
Recently FFDOs were being issued a new holster that had a slot to insert a padlock for transport.

Ding, ding, ding... we have a winner!

Rube Goldberg would be proud.
119 posted on 03/23/2008 7:22:34 PM PDT by safisoft
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To: safisoft

Well, please explain.


120 posted on 03/23/2008 7:22:56 PM PDT by MartinStyles
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To: Eaker

Actually, there is nothing wrong with a Glock. Just keep the dang thing in a holster until you want to shoot somebody! Then it will work, guarandamnteed, 18 times in a row.


121 posted on 03/23/2008 7:23:17 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Kirkwood
Actually, revolvers are deceiving in that they are internally much more complicated (more moving parts) than a semiauto.

Maybe so, but it is no big deal to totally tear a revolver completely apart (including all internal parts) to clean it. I have done it many times with my black powder revolvers.

122 posted on 03/23/2008 7:23:32 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: MartinStyles
Well, please explain.

I am not permitted. Read #110 and think about it.
123 posted on 03/23/2008 7:25:03 PM PDT by safisoft
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To: RDTF

Good thing the gun was in the cockpit when it fired itself. There’s electronics and cables down around the cargo bays, if it had fired itself there it may have caused damage, maybe hitting the center fuel tank!


124 posted on 03/23/2008 7:27:47 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: RDTF
Glad my pilot didn't let her gun go off accidentally. She flies with a heavy finger.


125 posted on 03/23/2008 7:28:42 PM PDT by JustTheTruth (Say "NO!" to Socialism in America!)
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To: Travis McGee; Eaker
Everybody knows that Glocks go off by themselves.

Naah! But an awful lot of posters on FR do... /grin

126 posted on 03/23/2008 7:29:17 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: StopGlobalWhining
Pilots could carry up until July 2001. I wonder if the 9/11 terrorists knew the the pilots were unarmed ?
127 posted on 03/23/2008 7:33:04 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: Eaker; Mr Rogers

What’s the trigger pull of a Glock vs a revolver?


128 posted on 03/23/2008 7:34:44 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Red6

Less is more.

Of course, you are right. Those zoomies don’t need gunz anyway, they already have fire extinguishers and fire axes, no need for firearms as well.........


129 posted on 03/23/2008 7:36:36 PM PDT by wrench
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To: infantrywhooah

“All the more reason not to have a round in the chamber.”

That’s what the Marines in Lebanon were told to do, what could go wrong?

I think Condition 1 is OK, but you should not goof around with it in that state. It’s safe in its holster and won’t go off if you have a good holster.

Let’s see what details come out.


130 posted on 03/23/2008 7:37:52 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow; Eaker; Mr Rogers

What’s the trigger pull of a Glock vs a revolver?

128 posted on 03/23/2008 8:34:44 PM MDT by DBrow

Glocks come in 3.5#, 5#, 8.5# and 12# triggers

A DA revolver is about 12# uncocked and about 5# cocked.


131 posted on 03/23/2008 7:41:08 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: DBrow; Mr Rogers
What’s the trigger pull of a Glock vs a revolver?

I have seen between 3 to 15 pounds. The first for competition and the highest for New York cops.

132 posted on 03/23/2008 7:42:49 PM PDT by Eaker (2 Thessalonians 3:10 “... He that will not work, neither should he eat.”)
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To: AFreeBird
NO they don’t. And sitting behind a locked, reinforced door, means he should not have it in Condition One. No reason for a round to be chambered.

So when the door opens for any reason the pilot is supposed to pull out the gun and chamber a round? And when the door closes, the pilot is supposed to unchamber that round? How many times does the pilot do that? And then there is the issue of the time to chamber a round when the door is forcefully breached. IMO, it's safer to leave it loaded, with a round in the chamber, and the gun in the holster.

133 posted on 03/23/2008 7:46:02 PM PDT by Dagny&Hank
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To: XeniaSt; DBrow; Eaker

Subjectively, I cannot tell the difference between the DA trigger pull on my semi-automatic Ruger .45 and my Dan Wesson .357. I’d say my .357 has a lighter trigger pull used single action.


134 posted on 03/23/2008 7:51:01 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Let's win Congress - the Presidency is lost!)
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To: Cvengr; Kirkwood
re: “Now, Pussy, you know a lot more about planes than guns. That’s a Smith and Wesson 45, and if you fire at me at this close range, the bullet will pass through me and the fuselage like a blowtorch through butter. The cabin will depressurize, and we’ll both be sucked into outer space together. If that’s how you want to enter the United States, you’re welcome. As for me, I prefer the easy way.”...007 to Pussy Galore in GOLDFINGER

That's a great scene and line from a really cool movie. However, the scenario Bond is describing is pure Hollywood myth and BS. This myth of a single small-caliber puncture in the fuselage automatically resulting in "explosive decompression" is simply nonsense.

While no one should claim that such an occurrence would be desirable, the fact is that all pressurized airplanes are, by design, constantly leaking air. The pressurization status is maintained just by having the pumps maintain the desired differential between the inside pressure and the outside pressure. I have read somewhere that on a large airliner the fuselage exhaust hole for this system is about the size of a basketball.

If you shot a hole through the fuselage wall with a pistol you could probably seal it by slapping one of those magazines from behind the seats over it.... /grin

135 posted on 03/23/2008 7:52:27 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: RDTF

Thanks!

FRegards,
LH


136 posted on 03/23/2008 7:55:27 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: wrench

I have a .45 revolver by my bed. I get the benefit of .45ACP modern bullet design, and the simplicity of point click interface. And moon clip reloading. And that sweet S&W trigger. And nearly infinite reliability.


137 posted on 03/23/2008 7:56:35 PM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: Content Provider

Yes, I saw that. G. Gordon Liddy was right.


138 posted on 03/23/2008 7:56:37 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: XeniaSt

Thanks!


139 posted on 03/23/2008 7:58:25 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Eaker

Thanks!

So in NY, if pull length is equal, Glocks and revolvers are the same.

But a 12 lb revolver and a 5 lb Glock are not the same wrt trigger snags or other things poking to go-bar.

I like Glocks, most NDs I’ve heard of had nothing to do with design.

Glocks being popular with cops and civvies alike, there are lots of them out there, so an accident won’t be that rare.


140 posted on 03/23/2008 8:02:13 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Travis McGee
Actually, there is nothing wrong with a Glock. Just keep the dang thing in a holster until you want to shoot somebody! Then it will work, guarandamnteed, 18 times in a row.

We have a winner!

Mysteriously, my Glock has never discharged unexpectedly in the 15 years that I've owned it. And with three clips, I have a full deck to deal, should the need arise.
141 posted on 03/23/2008 8:03:17 PM PDT by NonLinear (When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.)
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To: Kirkwood

Paraord’s LDA hammer is partially cocked too. If you don’t believe it, try inserting a dead cartridge (on the range, keep it pointed in a safe direction etc!), and then pull the trigger twice. I agree they have the dissimilar safety setup, and are thus different from the others that way.

Daewoo pistols have a partially cocked safety.

I like the ParaOrd designs a lot. I have small to medium hands, and the double stack isn’t good for me, but their LTC in particular works for me very well.


142 posted on 03/23/2008 8:04:39 PM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: Eternal_Bear

I think they are bismuth rounds which have low penetration on bulkheads. Saw a video they were like plaster of paris bullets.


143 posted on 03/23/2008 8:06:42 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Kirkwood
I’ve seen several reports of such NDs with Glocks. I refuse to have one. Better to have no safety at all than a stupid safety.

Yup. Worthless pieces of used food. The proper flight deck weapon is a good quality 1911-pattern .45 in Condition 3 (full mag, empty chamber.)

-ccm

144 posted on 03/23/2008 8:08:13 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: NonLinear

I carry my .45 with its 4 (spare) magazines.

Revolver is for bedside.


145 posted on 03/23/2008 8:11:18 PM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: Dagny&Hank
"IMO, it's safer to leave it loaded, with a round in the chamber, and the gun in the holster."


"B-B-But it-itzzz not suppose ta have a (snork) bullet in the buh-buh barrel thingy if you're not using it (sniff)".

146 posted on 03/23/2008 8:11:44 PM PDT by Jasper (Stand Fast, Craigellachie!!)
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To: ccmay

What good is a weapon without a round in the chamber ? Might as well be carrying a brick.

Semper Fi
glock owner x 2


147 posted on 03/23/2008 8:12:42 PM PDT by NYleatherneck (It ain't a World War until the French surrender.)
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To: RDTF

looks like more ammo for the liberal propaganda mission to ban guns


148 posted on 03/23/2008 8:13:07 PM PDT by choose4urfuture
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To: MartinStyles

Was the Pilots name Barney Fife?


149 posted on 03/23/2008 8:13:08 PM PDT by Nashvegas
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To: RDTF

Hark! I hear a pistol shot!


150 posted on 03/23/2008 8:15:06 PM PDT by DoingTheFrenchMistake
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