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Trigger-Happy Pilot? Gun Discharged Midflight
ABC News ^
| 03/24/2008
| EMILY FRIEDMAN
Posted on 03/24/2008 12:39:21 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: skyman
“Just watch how this all comes out with calls to remove guns from the cockpits because pilots arent responsible enough to handle them.”
I wonder how many police officers have had an accidental discharge of their weapon? It must be the inherint evil in guns themselves that cause such things. ; )
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posted on
03/24/2008 2:12:30 PM PDT
by
Nakota
To: skyman
Keep shooting! I will Skyman!
I probably should have posted a disclaimer when I made my comments about Glock. It was not my intention to disrespect Glock at all. I have never personally fired one. My information came directly from a few people that do own them, my sister being one. The stories I've heard make me nervous about having one as a carry gun and I am an experienced firearm person. I'm 53 and have been shooting since I was 12. I've had a carry license for 8 years and I passed my written exam and shooting exam at the top of the class. When I took my exam I was the only woman in a class of 24 men. I shot better than almost all the men in the class. One of the "good old boys" even got so nervous he threw up all over the place. LOL I'm not a novice by any means. I probably should shoot my sister's Glock someday to see for myself. :-) I was repeating what I had been told by people that I figure should know.
Even though I've been shooting all kinds of firearms for over 40 years, handguns are not my preference in firearms. My only interest in handguns is to have a gun that is small enough to carry and powerful enough to do the job if, heaven forbid, I should ever need it. My first love in firearms is, and has always been, a short double-barrel 12-gauge shotgun.
To: Responsibility2nd; Travis McGee
Probably wing shooting the passing jet blue jet !
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posted on
03/24/2008 3:27:53 PM PDT
by
Squantos
(Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.©)
To: Responsibility2nd
TSA should suspend the flight officer’s firearm authority until he satisfactorily submits to training and certification at his expense that he can competently handle the designated handgun. This is the kind of news that the gun grabbers pounce upon as examples of gun nuts gone berserk, etc...
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posted on
03/24/2008 3:29:30 PM PDT
by
KeyLargo
To: Cyman
“typical flight attendant”
You sound like Osama Obama!
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posted on
03/24/2008 3:30:42 PM PDT
by
KeyLargo
To: hiredhand
Non event in my book..........:o)
66
posted on
03/24/2008 3:39:02 PM PDT
by
Squantos
(Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.©)
To: Responsibility2nd
FLIGHT DECK SECURITY http://www.three-peaks.net/H-K_FFDO_Offer.pdf
Heckler and Koch Compact USP40 LEM 40S&W
67
posted on
03/24/2008 3:42:16 PM PDT
by
KeyLargo
To: Travis McGee; Squantos
I read a story on GunZone about an LEO who had an AD which was quite inadvertent and reminded of what you say about this one. He had on one of those nylon wind breakers with the tie strings in the bottom, and at the end of the string was a little plastic tightener. The tightener became lodged inside the trigger guard on his Glock and I think the AD occurred when he took the jacket off.
68
posted on
03/24/2008 4:18:25 PM PDT
by
hiredhand
(Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
To: hiredhand; Travis McGee
When I first went into the service Uncle sugar issued a Mod 15 SW revolver. SP’s controllers and anyone else not allowed a 1911A1 wore an issue jordan style holster . As they sat down in chairs with arms on em the arm would un-snap the holster the first time. The next time they sat down the arm of the evil chairs would catch the hammer spur just enough to draw it back but not cock it. As the hammer cleared the arm on the chair it dropped just enough to fire !
Lots of pucker factor boomage till that line of “office chairs” was tossed to DRMO for salvage sales !!!
Lots of factors. Sad to say that carrying a gun is not unlike driving a car, your bound to get a dent in that perfect shine at times. Trick is not let it be a fatal accident. The the age old rule of never point it at anything ya do not want too destroy !.....the gun not the car !
Stay safe Ya’ll !!!
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posted on
03/24/2008 4:53:35 PM PDT
by
Squantos
(Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.©)
To: hiredhand
The dumbest idea going is “Mexican carry” with a Glock. They are great guns for what they are, but the gotta live in a holster!!!
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posted on
03/24/2008 5:44:48 PM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
To: Squantos
Keep it in a holster designed to hold it, and no problems!
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posted on
03/24/2008 5:47:42 PM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
To: Melinda in TN
That’s great Melinda.
We need more women in shooting. Your husband is lucky to have a wife who shoots.
You must be really good if you make the guys throw up in fear :-)
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posted on
03/24/2008 6:17:58 PM PDT
by
skyman
To: Travis McGee
No..... I carry that way all the time !
Empty chamber, full magazine of course.......:)
“””IF””””.....Ya stuff one down the tube ya have to have a holster !!!
Nite !!
73
posted on
03/24/2008 6:27:51 PM PDT
by
Squantos
(Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.©)
To: Squantos
I can’t keep track of which ones are or are not chambered, this night or that day or whatever. So mine are all chambered all the time, and Mex carry is a thing of the past.
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posted on
03/24/2008 6:34:05 PM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
To: Responsibility2nd
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posted on
03/24/2008 6:34:09 PM PDT
by
2111USMC
To: Squantos
I HATE ADs! I was in a vehicle once when somebody discharged a varmint rifle (.243 Win). I got out on the spot and left them. I also had a rifle that I loaned to a friend of mine....it was a Rem M-700 (also a .243 Win). He was unloading it in my house and "said" that it discharged when he locked a cartridge into battery. I wasn't there when it happened. He put a hole completely through the ceiling and then the roof. I didn't know if I should believe him or not. I took the rifle out a day later and while pointing it at the ground I chambered a round s-l-o-w-l-y. Nothing happened. I switched the safety from "safe" to "fire" and *KA-BOOM*....scared the crap out of me! The round went safely into the ground though. I tried it again, and this time pushed the safety forward very slowly and nothing happened. So I whacked the side of the rifle with the palm of my hand. Once again, it discharged. I took it to a gunsmith buddy of mine, and he showed me how the trigger box on the Rem M-700 works, and he showed me how the sear-break screw had come loose and was moving OUT.
He reset it back to 2lbs...degreased the threads and Loctited it. It was a real learning experience for me!
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posted on
03/24/2008 6:48:48 PM PDT
by
hiredhand
(Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
To: Travis McGee
I've got a buddy who's a former SEAL (imagine that! :-), and now he's an LEO with a dept in the western part of the state here. When he set us up to run CQB drills here on our little range, we quickly learned the value of good holsters AND lanyards! People stand on a static line and expect everything to work perfectly, and for the purpose of basic marksmanship, a static firing line is a necessity. But when stress is up, and things are "moving", weapons are dropped, fat fingered, thrown. I watched a buddy of mine scoot across 30 yards of open space, flanking a simulated hostile target and he forgot to cock his 1911...but he squeezed like a crazy man almost all the way across the span. He even went through a clearing procedure once!....and goofed up and dropped the mag, so he put a new one in and during the reload, he DID charge the weapon and it DID function correctly after that!
Yeah...holsters and lanyards. Anybody who disagrees hasn't experienced the grief of dropping a weapon under stress...which is the absolute worst possible time to drop it!
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posted on
03/24/2008 6:57:56 PM PDT
by
hiredhand
(Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
To: beltfed308
Id be inteested to see if he hasnt stashed away a bundle o cash from the brady bunch recently...
/tinfoil ...
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posted on
03/24/2008 9:41:51 PM PDT
by
Gilbo_3
(Choose Liberty over slavery... the gulag awaits ANY compromise with evil...LiveFReeOr Die...)
To: hiredhand
especially in a cockpit! Sheesh...Ill bet that was loud! couldnt be as bad as a .357 mag in an enclosed 77 t-bird... 8^O ...ears rang for daaaaaays...lololo
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posted on
03/24/2008 9:47:14 PM PDT
by
Gilbo_3
(Choose Liberty over slavery... the gulag awaits ANY compromise with evil...LiveFReeOr Die...)
To: dashing doofus
How the hell do you have an AD with that? Removing or reinstalling the padlock on the holster?
That's apparently required every time the cockpit door is opened in flight, such as when one of pilots needs to answer a call of nature, or get a cup of coffee or a soft drink from one of the cabin crew.Info here
The Holster, (with H&K USP-40 and required padlock)
The insane procedures required by the TSA demands that our pilots to lock and then un-lock their .40 side arms was and is a solid recipe for disaster.
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Putting a gun into a holster and then threading a padlock through the trigger and trigger-guard is required every time the pilots enter or leave the cockpit.
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posted on
03/24/2008 11:31:12 PM PDT
by
El Gato
("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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