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China: Countries urged to see 'true face' of Dalai Lama
China Daily ^ | 03/26/08 | Qin Jize

Posted on 03/26/2008 8:54:27 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Countries urged to see 'true face' of Dalai Lama

By Qin Jize (China Daily)

Updated: 2008-03-26 07:10

Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang yesterday again urged the international community to see the Dalai Lama's "true face" and offer no support for his secessionist activities.

Qin made the remarks in response to US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's recent call for China to consider a new policy to address the Tibet issue and to start talks with the Dalai Lama.

US House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi also visited the Dalai Lama last week.

Qin said the position of just a few countries did not represent that of the international community.

More than 100 nations have expressed their support and understanding of the Chinese government's attitude to protecting the lives and property of its citizens from violent riots, he said.

Qin said the central government's policy toward the Dalai Lama is consistent and explicit, saying it not only listens to what he says but, more importantly, observes what he does.

China yesterday also criticized a British newspaper's report that linked the Beijing Olympics with the Berlin Games of 1936, saying the story is an insult to Chinese citizens and to the people of the world.

A report published in the British newspaper the Sunday Times said China is holding the Olympics for the same reason Adolf Hitler did in 1936, as an opportunity to collect accolades.

Qin said the Beijing Olympics is a magnificent sports meeting, and people from all nations have expressed their wishes to use it as an opportunity to enhance global understanding, friendship and cooperation.

"The Olympic torch symbolizes humankind's noble ideals and beautiful aspirations," Qin said.

" It also casts light on the gloomy mentality of some people, which will help the common people see their true face," he said.

"The Beijing Olympic Games must be a success with all the efforts made by the people of the


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To: TigerLikesRooster

China thinks they can control world media like they control their drones at home. Sorry china you are a backward nation and do not understand the nature or free speech and the right to assemble. It wont work. All we see is the PRC controlled nation and brainwashed drones.


51 posted on 03/26/2008 10:57:09 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME

or=of

bloody typos


52 posted on 03/26/2008 10:57:35 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Red in Blue PA; indcons

The same source also mentions that prior to the Mongol conquest, Tibet was always an independent country. After the Mongol conquest, they were both ruled by the Mongols as “colonies” or protectorates as the case might be.

Your argument is akin to the Canadians claiming control over the USA because both countries were ruled by the same colonial power a while ago....LOL

The Yuan and Qing dynasties were both "foreign" rule over China, but it is Chinese history because it was during the Yuan time period that the independent states [of China] were unified for the first time since the Qin and with the exception of Outer Mongolia, China has maintained the same geographic borders under ONE CHINA.
 
As I said, I don't get my history from the internet. I suggest you pick up a copy of the Cambridge History of China. Hell, you might even give Jonathan Spence's, "The Search For Modern China" a read.
 
Again, your ridiculous claim that I'm a "Chicom" sympathizer is completely laughable - one look at my website reveals otherwise; that's why it was banned by China's censors.
 
If you'd like to continue this discussion, then I'd suggest you stop with the insults because I don't have the time for childish nonsense.
 
 

53 posted on 03/26/2008 10:59:11 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Red in Blue PA
http://www.friends-of-tibet.org.nz/tibet.html
 
Haha. How comical that you cite wikipedia as being biased (which is a fair statement), but then you site "Friends of Tibet" as an unbiased source?

54 posted on 03/26/2008 11:01:20 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Dr. Marten

What in that link is untrue. It is not in the interests of those who wish for a free Tibet to spread misinformation.

I’ll be waiting for all of the errors/sarc


55 posted on 03/26/2008 11:07:01 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Ha. I’m not going to waste time picking it apart.
Don’t expect me to post unbiased sources, if you’re not going to do the same.

Given that you’re the one who posted that link, it’s up to you to find an unbiased source to support that information.


56 posted on 03/26/2008 11:15:52 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Red in Blue PA

What in that link is untrue. It is not in the interests of those who wish for a free Tibet to spread misinformation.

 

Oh no, of course not. Hahahaha.

The same could more easily be said about the Cambridge history of China.

I'll be waiting for your unbiased / academic sourcres.

57 posted on 03/26/2008 11:18:02 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Dr. Marten

A better analogy for Tibet would be if the native American nations want to go independent from the United States. The Tibetans can choose the way of Geronimo, and they will get the same fate as he did.

The problem with China is that there is not a system where the common folks can address their grievances.


58 posted on 03/26/2008 11:18:55 AM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: Dr. Marten

“...that’s why it was banned by China’s censors”

Why? You are both on the same page when it comes to Tibet’s very legitimate struggle for independence.

“...I’d suggest you stop with the insults because I don’t have the time for childish nonsense”

Give me a break - you started with the liberal comparisons.

“The Yuan and Qing dynasties were both ‘foreign’ rule over China, but it is Chinese history because it was during the Yuan time period that the independent states [of China] were unified for the first time...”

By that logic, the constituent colonies should necessarily be independent countries (as they were prior to the Mongol conquest). If they want to be in a ChiCom federation, that’s their right. However, we are not talking about a voluntary union here but a continuation of the colonization by the ChiComs.


59 posted on 03/26/2008 11:21:05 AM PDT by indcons (The civilized world must boycott the 2008 Genocide Olympics.)
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To: Fishing-guy

A better analogy for Tibet would be if the native American nations want to go independent from the United States. The Tibetans can choose the way of Geronimo, and they will get the same fate as he did.

The problem with China is that there is not a system where the common folks can address their grievances.

 

Agreed and well said.

60 posted on 03/26/2008 11:28:32 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: indcons

“...that’s why it was banned by China’s censors”

Why? You are both on the same page when it comes to Tibet’s very legitimate struggle for independence.


Hardly.  I may not favor Independence for Tibet (unless mutually agreed upon), but I definitely do not agree with China's handling of Tibet.

 

“...I’d suggest you stop with the insults because I don’t have the time for childish nonsense”

Give me a break - you started with the liberal comparisons.


No, actually it was you with your "Chicom Magnet Thread" and "Chicom Tool" comments. Scroll through if you can't remember.


“The Yuan and Qing dynasties were both ‘foreign’ rule over China, but it is Chinese history because it was during the Yuan time period that the independent states [of China] were unified for the first time...”

By that logic, the constituent colonies should necessarily be independent countries (as they were prior to the Mongol conquest). If they want to be in a ChiCom federation, that’s their right. However, we are not talking about a voluntary union here but a continuation of the colonization by the ChiComs.

Not at all. China has maintained those boundaries (with the exception of the foreign controlled areas during the Qing Dynasty) since unification, only the governments have changes; Yuan / Ming / Qing / Republic of China / Brief "Dynasty" by Yuan ShiKai / People's Republic of China.

You also seem to be forgetting that not all Tibetans want Independence, including the Dalai Lama.

61 posted on 03/26/2008 11:42:02 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Dr. Marten

Dr. Marten - it’s hardly my fault if your posts on Tibet are remarkably identical to the ones posted by the PLAN agents on this forum. They use the very same logic and arguments to support ChiCom dominance and genocide.

BTW, what is this business about “mutually-agreed upon independence”? Do you think the United States would have ever become independent if the British had a say and veto power over the revolutionaries? Why is it any different in case of China - the oppressor and colonizing power in Tibet?

“I definitely do not agree with China’s handling of Tibet.”

Well...at least there’s something that we agree on even if we disagree on the need for an oppressed peoples to enjoy liberty and freedom.


62 posted on 03/26/2008 11:53:22 AM PDT by indcons (The civilized world must boycott the 2008 Genocide Olympics.)
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To: indcons

BTW, what is this business about “mutually-agreed upon independence”? Do you think the United States would have ever become independent if the British had a say and veto power over the revolutionaries?

As I mentioned, not all Tibetans want independence - Dalai Lama included.

The "independence protests" that we've seen recently are a combination of pro-independence splitists and those who simply want the autonomy they were promised by the Chinese before that agreement was unilaterally revoked in 1959. They want the Chinese to stop polluting their religious, cultural and language traditions and they want the government to stop the relocation of Han Chinese to the region. There's a huge disparity between Han Chinese and Tibetans in the region because the governments policies are all stack in favor of Han Chinese.

Why is it any different in case of China - the oppressor and colonizing power in Tibet?

 

As Fishing-guy stated in response to my poor analogy:

A better analogy for Tibet would be if the native American nations want to go independent from the United States. The Tibetans can choose the way of Geronimo, and they will get the same fate as he did.

The problem with China is that there is not a system where the common folks can address their grievances.


63 posted on 03/26/2008 12:07:00 PM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Dr. Marten

Sorry. But even in the wiki link, it never stated that Tibet was a part of China.

You could not be more wrong, and yet you plod forward as though you are 100% correct. Pathetic doesn’t begin to describe it.


64 posted on 03/26/2008 12:34:51 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Dr. Marten

Re: As I mentioned, not all Tibetans want independence - Dalai Lama included.

Again. You are playing fast and loose with the facts. The Tibetans (including the Dalaia Lama) would love independence, but they know that that after this many years of occupation it is unlikely.


65 posted on 03/26/2008 12:35:58 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Sorry. But even in the wiki link, it never stated that Tibet was a part of China.

You could not be more wrong, and yet you plod forward as though you are 100% correct. Pathetic doesn’t begin to describe it.

 

Well aren't you the pot calling the kettle black. The irony here is that you don't see it.

I'm still waiting for those unbiased / academic links.

66 posted on 03/26/2008 12:41:25 PM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Dr. Marten

I gave you a timeline of dates and facts. Any “academic” links would only corroborate this. If you wish to prove them wrong, do so. But if not, this will be my last post to you, as this is going nowhere.


67 posted on 03/26/2008 12:44:31 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: kipita
I don't care who the Dalai Lama surrounds himself with. China invaded Tibet, holds the country by the barrel of a gun, and has tried agressively to ethnically cleanse it.

Communist China should be a pariah nation until this unjust occupation is ended.
68 posted on 03/26/2008 12:49:58 PM PDT by Antoninus (Tell us how you came to Barack?)
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To: Red in Blue PA
I gave you a timeline of dates and facts. Any “academic” links would only corroborate this.
Well then, as you said, you shouldn't have any problems providing them.
I'll be waiting.

69 posted on 03/26/2008 12:57:36 PM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Red in Blue PA
 If you wish to prove them wrong, do so. But if not, this will be my last post to you, as this is going nowhere.
 
Translation: You've got nothing!

70 posted on 03/26/2008 1:06:51 PM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Dr. Marten; Red in Blue PA; indcons

By your own post #47 your reading of history would justify Mongol claims to China. Or Chinese claims to Mongolia. Or Chinese claims to the ‘Stans (and yes, China is beginning to assert itself in the ‘Stans).

Or British claims to the US, since they’ve only been gone a couple hundred years.

The fact is that until the early fifties China never occupied Tibet. Tibet paid an annual fee to China to be left alone, and that ended in 1913.

Tibet was independent until the invasion of 1953. Chinese historians may differ. Pro-Chinese historians may differ, and pro-Chinese posters may differ as well. The fact remains that it ruled itself until 1953 when China invaded. If you disagree, who was the Chinese governor prior to 1953? Where were his Chinese troops garrisoned? There wasn’t one, and there weren’t any.

This thread is a pretty good litmus test, to see who comes out of the woodwork to defend Chinese claims to a country that has no desire to be Chinese and never did.


71 posted on 03/26/2008 1:43:52 PM PDT by marron
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To: bigfootbob; kipita
This is a long read but it might dispel the liberal haze infecting your minds.

A Lie Repeated - The Far Left’s Flawed History of Tibet

72 posted on 03/26/2008 1:49:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: marron

Great post...you’re right. Threads like these make it easy to identify the ChiComs on this forum. I guess certain fellow FReepers (and I don’t include the PLAN trolls in this list) will do/say anything in exchange for ChiCom favors.


73 posted on 03/26/2008 1:52:11 PM PDT by indcons (Proud member of FR's ChiCom Troll Hunting Society.)
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To: Dr. Marten

A better analogy for China’s claims on Tibet would be to say Spain has a legitimate claim to the entire continental U.S. because they once had possession of what is now Texas.


74 posted on 03/26/2008 1:55:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: kipita
The infant was chosen as “God” because when the existening “God” died, his head turned East and the followers kept walking until they found “Him”

You don't know squat about Tibetan Buddhism.

75 posted on 03/26/2008 2:01:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: Red in Blue PA; indcons

My analysis is very simple:

1. The Dalai Lama is a cult lead by a guy who has the mind and real life experiences of a child and who is supported by a system that is similar to Burma in its suppression of the human existence. It was worth CIA intervention to support this cult against the evils of communism in the past but not now (comment 22).

2. China exists as a typical communist country (comment 22).

3. Those who pledge their full support to China or the Dalai Lama are choosing the lesser of two evils. Based on Taiwan’s elections and knowing many people who have lived in China and Taiwan, I tend to think the Tibetans would fair much, much better under China (comment 22).

Ironically, the US presidential election and US politics in general mimics the same complexities as this argument. There are no good choices over the short term and the long term requires a dynamic approach and a lot of patience.


76 posted on 03/26/2008 2:05:56 PM PDT by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: TigersEye

He’s a self-confessed “lifelong Dhimmicrat” and a moderate. LOL....nuff said.

[Source: the ChiCom’s FRome page]


77 posted on 03/26/2008 2:07:13 PM PDT by indcons (Exposing ChiCom trolls - 365/24/7)
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To: TigersEye

“You don’t know squat about Tibetan Buddhism.”

“When Tenzin Gyatso was about two years old a search party was sent out to find the new incarnation of the Dalai Lama.[3] Among other omens, the head on the embalmed body of the thirteenth Dalai Lama (originally facing south) had mysteriously turned to face the northeast, indicating the direction in which the next Dalai Lama would be found. Shortly afterwards, the Regent Reting Rinpoche had a vision at the sacred lake of Llhamo La-tso indicating Amdo (as the place to search) and a one-story house with distinctive guttering and tiling. After extensive searching, they found that Thondup’s house resembled that in Reting’s vision. They presented Thondup with various relics and toys—some had belonged to the previous Dalai Lama while others had not. It was reported that Thondup correctly identified all items owned by the previous Dalai Lama, exclaiming “That’s mine! That’s mine!””

“As well as being one of the most influential spiritual leaders of Tibetan Buddhism, the Dalai Lama by tradition is also Tibet’s absolute political ruler. In 1939 at the age of four he was taken by lamas in a procession to Lhasa, where an official ceremony recognized him as the reborn spiritual leader of Tibet. His childhood was spent between the Potala and Norbulingka, his summer residence.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenzin_Gyatso%2C_14th_Dalai_Lama

At least John Smith and Mormons had better visions and live better lives.


78 posted on 03/26/2008 2:12:33 PM PDT by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: kipita

“My analysis...”

You’re being too kind to yourself.

“I tend to think the Tibetans would fair much, much better under China (comment 22).”

Have you ever spoken to or met a single Tibetian? I guess not. I can also bet that I’ve known and met more ChiComs and Chinese (they are not the same) than you - having lived and worked with them for some time. Tell you the truth - after our heated arguments, even the mainlanders would grudgingly accept facts that you refuse to acknowledge.

“China exists as a typical communist country”

BS

With this post, you have been certified as an ignorant tool of the ChiComs. Congrats on this singular dishonor - the days you spent in the re-education camp are proving to have some use after all.


79 posted on 03/26/2008 2:16:35 PM PDT by indcons (Exposing ChiCom trolls - 365/24/7)
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To: kipita

Sure they did. At least what you have posted there doesn’t repeat the idiotic western view that the Dalai Lama is considered a god. But you keep repeating your other liberal dogma. It’s a good example of how ingrained the communist mindset has become in Americans.


80 posted on 03/26/2008 2:16:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: indcons

And now he reveals his prejudice towards Mormons and his hatred of America by comparing the Mormon’s experience in the United States to Tibetans living under Mao and the PRC. Apparently that Black Liberation Theology (read Marxist class warfare ideology) is more widespread than any of us had ever thought.


81 posted on 03/26/2008 2:21:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: kipita

I hate to say this - but your English is quite poor. Are you really a native speaker or do you just play pretend on FR?

Quit posting the same link again and again. You’re fooling nobody with this propaganda.

BTW, the ChiCom trolls we tussle with on this forum are, usually, of much better quality. Looks like PLAN is being forced to send its second- and third-rate operatives to post on FR.

PGanini won’t be happy.


82 posted on 03/26/2008 2:23:00 PM PDT by indcons (Exposing ChiCom Trolls - 365/24/7)
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To: Dr. Marten

I see you are now using Wikipedia as a source since I used it a few days ago to counter your About.com unsourced history. LOL Pretty lame.


83 posted on 03/26/2008 2:34:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I think that history on Wikipedia is fairly decent. It matches pretty well what I have read in other accounts from Tibetan sources. If you read the paragraph in post #47 carefully it does not indicate a Han Chinese domination of political affairs in the least. It actually says the Mongols placed Tibetans and Uighurs in authority over the Han Chinese. The Yuan empire was Mongolian not Chinese.


84 posted on 03/26/2008 2:43:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: indcons
Your argument is akin to the Canadians claiming control over the USA because both countries were ruled by the same colonial power a while ago....LOL

Exactly! The question then becomes who has a greater claim over the U.S. the Brits or the Spanish? ROTFLOL

85 posted on 03/26/2008 2:46:29 PM PDT by TigersEye (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: Dr. Marten
China has maintained the same geographic borders under ONE CHINA.

Sorry, your own Wikipedia source contradicts that.

The history of "China" is one of more unstable warring feudal states than that of Tibet. Chinese unity is a myth. There has been little continuity there.

86 posted on 03/26/2008 2:51:48 PM PDT by TigersEye (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: Dr. Marten
Hardly. I may not favor Independence for Tibet (unless mutually agreed upon), ...

The tyrant has to be agreeable to independence? I'm sure glad our Founding Fathers didn't think like that.

87 posted on 03/26/2008 2:57:29 PM PDT by TigersEye (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: Dr. Marten
As I mentioned, not all Tibetans want independence -...

Spoken like someone who has never met a Tibetan.

There are Tibetans in government positions in Lhasa who will give you this line; and there are probably some Tibetans in Tibet who believe it. But again, for the vast majority of Tibetans, this is simply not part of the their experience. Get any Tibetan nomad, farmer, peasant, or monk a few hundred yards away from their local party cadre and the first thing they'll do is ask for a picture of the Dalai Lama; the second thing they'll do is ask you to help them free their country.

88 posted on 03/26/2008 3:05:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: Dr. Marten
The "independence protests" that we've seen recently are a combination of pro-independence splitists and those who simply want the autonomy they were promised by the Chinese before that agreement was unilaterally revoked in 1959.

More foolishness. Only a ChiCom or a ChiCom apologist would use the word "splitist." (sic)

But again, the true testament to the fact that Tibetans have been far from content under Chinese rule lie in the actions of the people themselves. Ever since the Chinese invasion and occupation there has been substantial popular resistance to Chinese rule in Tibet. This resistance has taken many forms over the years - leafleting, public demonstration, mass non-cooperation, economic boycott, and armed uprising are all forms of protest have been practiced by Tibetans inside Tibet, at the risk of their own lives.

89 posted on 03/26/2008 3:09:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: TigersEye

The only thing that’s lame around here are your critical thinking skills.


90 posted on 03/26/2008 3:15:23 PM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: TigersEye

“Spoken like someone who has never met a Tibetan.”

You’re ASSumptions are incorrect. I’ve actually lived in China and know quite a few Tibetans from the Sichuan province.


91 posted on 03/26/2008 3:17:42 PM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: TigersEye
The history of "China" is one of more unstable warring feudal states than that of Tibet. Chinese unity is a myth. There has been little continuity there.
 
Oh, by all means, do tell what makes you such an authority on Chinese history?

92 posted on 03/26/2008 3:19:29 PM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: TigersEye

More foolishness. Only a ChiCom or a ChiCom apologist would use the word "splitist." (sic)

But again, the true testament to the fact that Tibetans have been far from content under Chinese rule lie in the actions of the people themselves. Ever since the Chinese invasion and occupation there has been substantial popular resistance to Chinese rule in Tibet. This resistance has taken many forms over the years - leafleting, public demonstration, mass non-cooperation, economic boycott, and armed uprising are all forms of protest have been practiced by Tibetans inside Tibet, at the risk of their own lives.
 
1. The lamest thing I've seen yet on this thread is you trying to pass, "Students for a free Tibet", off as an unbiased source of authority. Obviously you can't find any academic sources to back up your quacky assertions.
 
2. Splitist, secessionist, etc, take your pick.
 
3. If you think the recent unrests are all about independence, you're even further out of your little mind than I thought.

93 posted on 03/26/2008 3:25:19 PM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: TigersEye

I see you are now using Wikipedia as a source since I used it a few days ago to counter your About.com unsourced history. LOL Pretty lame.

Um,  I hate to bust your little bubble, but I think everybody with access to the internet knows about Wikipedia. It's not exactly a secret. As for our arguement the other day, I noticed that you ran out of wind.

94 posted on 03/26/2008 3:29:11 PM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Dr. Marten
Oh, by all means, do tell what makes you such an authority on Chinese history?

Can I just use the same canard that you do? I read a book. /s

95 posted on 03/26/2008 3:42:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: Dr. Marten
Obviously you can't find any academic sources to back up your quacky assertions.

You first.

2. Splitist, (sic) secessionist, etc, take your pick.

The only choices a ChiCom gives. Freedom fighter is more appropriate.

3. If you think the recent unrests are all about independence, you're even further out of your little mind than I thought.

What you think is of little value to anyone. Including yourself.

96 posted on 03/26/2008 3:46:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: Dr. Marten
Um, I hate to bust your little bubble, but I think everybody with access to the internet knows about Wikipedia.

Interesting. Then why did you use About.com first, a completely unsourced reference, until I used Wikipedia? Were you just hoping I wouldn't find the Wiki link with its more accurate and lengthy sources? lol

I noticed that you ran out of wind.

As I have done on this thread, and as several others have, I drew you out to show your ignorance and prejudice. That's quite enough.

97 posted on 03/26/2008 3:51:09 PM PDT by TigersEye (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: TigersEye

Can I just use the same canard that you do? I read a book. /s

Sure, but I doubt you can read - objectively anway. Besides, it was more like book(s). Chinese history was part of my studies in college.

HOpe you enjoyed your Book!

98 posted on 03/26/2008 3:53:21 PM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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To: Dr. Marten
You’re ASSumptions are incorrect. I’ve actually lived in China and know quite a few Tibetans from the Sichuan province.

Comparing your posts to the article by Joshua Michael Schrei you clearly know far less about Tibetans and history. His writing shows a far greater objectivity, more detailed sourcing (he doesn't rely on "I have read") and a use of a reasoned faculty that you have no concept of and that isn't hard to see.

99 posted on 03/26/2008 3:55:51 PM PDT by TigersEye (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: TigersEye

Interesting. Then why did you use About.com first, a completely unsourced reference, until I used Wikipedia? Were you just hoping I wouldn't find the Wiki link with its more accurate and lengthy sources? lol

No particular reason really. I couldn't care less what you find. Still waiting for something other than "Students for a free Tibet". LMAO!

As I have done on this thread, and as several others have, I drew you out to show your ignorance and prejudice. That's quite enough.

The only thing you've demonstrated is your own ignorance.

100 posted on 03/26/2008 3:57:02 PM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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