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Police say pizza deliveryman who shot robber had gun permit (IA)
Radio Iowa ^ | March 28, 2008 | Pat Curtis

Posted on 03/28/2008 6:16:12 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

Des Moines police say a pizza deliveryman, who shot a would-be robber, has a valid gun permit. Sergeant Vince Valdez says the incident unfolded last night on the city's south side. The pizza deliveryman, identified as 38-year-old James Spiers, was confronted by a man with a gun as he entered an apartment building.

Valdez says Spiers has legal authority to carry a concealed weapon and used his gun to defend himself. The suspect in the case, 19-year-old Kenneth Jimmerson, is accused of placing a gun to Spiers' head and robbing him of cash.

"But, Mr. Spiers reacted quickly, grabbed the gun hand of the suspect and was able to pull his own gun out at the same time and fire some shots," Valdez said. Jimmerson was hit twice by the gunfire. At that point, Spiers called police.

Jimmerson, who's charged with first-degree robbery, is listed in serious condition at a Des Moines hospital. Spiers does not face charges in the case, but has been suspended from his job at Pizza Hut. The restaurant prohibits it's employees from carrying weapons.

Valdez says a gun isn't a tool of the trade for a pizza delivery person, but in this case, it may have saved Spiers' life. Jimmerson's girlfriend, 18-year-old Melanie Stout, is charged with conspiracy to commit robbery. Valdez says Stout placed the order for the pizza.


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What kind of morons suspend the man for defending himself? You can't pay any pizza delivery driver enough to make him go defenseless. People should write to Pizza Hut about this. Incidentally, this makes twenty pizza delivery self-defense shootings.

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1 posted on 03/28/2008 6:16:19 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
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2 posted on 03/28/2008 6:17:06 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (Gun-free zones aren't. Visit ConcealedCampus.com for more)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

PizzaHut fired the guy? If I were a pizza restaurateur, I’d hire the guy in a heartbeat. And I’d advertise: “We’re packin’!”


3 posted on 03/28/2008 6:21:01 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (As government expands, liberty contracts. Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Police complain “quit doing our jobs, next thing you know cities will have automated ticketing systems and we’ll be out of work!”


4 posted on 03/28/2008 6:21:42 PM PDT by weegee (Famous moments in history: March 18th, 2008 “I have a bridge (to sell you)...” - Barack H. Obama)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
PizzaHut fired the guy? If I were a pizza restaurateur, I’d hire the guy in a heartbeat. And I’d advertise: “We’re packin’!”

Only problem with that: you remember the joke about 'call police, ambulance, and pizza, and see who arrives first'? What happens when people who are being robbed decide their best bet is to call for pizza?

5 posted on 03/28/2008 6:22:48 PM PDT by supercat
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I guess Pizza Nut would rather see its employees dead than armed. Dominoes, here I come!


6 posted on 03/28/2008 6:23:31 PM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Such a lovely society we’ve become when pizza delivery guys doing their job to scrape up some honest buck$ have to face deviant dangerous thugs nationwide. Any creep caught stealing or similar should have ALL his assets seized and later forced to repay victims 3 fold what they stole and death penalty for murder.


7 posted on 03/28/2008 6:24:42 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

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8 posted on 03/28/2008 6:25:13 PM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (What do you call 2 toddlers and some duct tape??........muslim body armor!!!!!!!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Typical. Pizza Hut suspends the guy for defending his life. Dude, you’re a hero and you’re alive. Good job. F Pizza Hut.


9 posted on 03/28/2008 6:25:14 PM PDT by Sender (Stop Islamisation. Defend our freedom.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Did the thug have a gun permit? I can’t find it anywhere in the article. I’m sure it’s just an oversight. Morons.....


10 posted on 03/28/2008 6:25:39 PM PDT by Niteranger68 (If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
The restaurant prohibits it's employees from carrying weapons.

That's fine. Write him up for breaking a rule. But the guy is driving around with pizza money all night and he has every right to defend himself. He was carrying legally, and the end result was a benefit to society.

Pizza Hut will be hearing from me on this. He should be the employee of the year.

11 posted on 03/28/2008 6:26:21 PM PDT by Paul Heinzman (I'm going to turn out the lights for 5 seconds and then my tagline better be back.)
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To: Tabi Katz

Dominoes would fire the guy too. It’s the insurance companies that DICTATE policy. The liability premiums are much higher even if they will write your business, unless you enforce a written policy against armed staff.


12 posted on 03/28/2008 6:26:47 PM PDT by George from New England (really from Tampa Bay)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

To heck with that lousy job delivering pizza .... the company obviously would rather an employee be killed than a lawsuit by the thug who was robbing him. Time to quit the PIzza Hut habit. Who needs to support that company.


13 posted on 03/28/2008 6:27:04 PM PDT by tioga
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Pizza Hut makes lousy policy, and guess what lousy pizza.


14 posted on 03/28/2008 6:27:14 PM PDT by TUX
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To: Cap'n Crunch

Ya want some extra cheese on that punk !......:o)


15 posted on 03/28/2008 6:27:24 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

REMEMBER, CITIZENS: IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A GOVERNMENT ISSUED PERMIT, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DEFEND YOURSELF!!!!


16 posted on 03/28/2008 6:28:44 PM PDT by BorisTheBulletDodger (</sarcasm is NEVER off>)
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To: supercat
Only problem with that: you remember the joke about 'call police, ambulance, and pizza, and see who arrives first'? What happens when people who are being robbed decide their best bet is to call for pizza?

Then "Pizza's gonna send out for YOU!"


17 posted on 03/28/2008 6:29:31 PM PDT by lightman (Waiting for Godot and searching for Avignon.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

The pizza guy is very lucky he was just fired and that he wasn’t arrested and charged. That’s just the way things are today.


18 posted on 03/28/2008 6:29:58 PM PDT by detective
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Valdez says Spiers has legal authority to carry a concealed weapon and used his gun to defend himself.

I don't even know where to start with this one

19 posted on 03/28/2008 6:31:26 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("I fear we have woken a sleeping giant and filled her with a terrible resolve" - Osama 9-11-01?)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
The restaurant prohibits it's employees from carrying weapons.

If a company cannot guarantee the safety of its employees, and it won't allow its employees to guarantee their own safety while on the job...

What's that called again???

Answer: Invitation for employees to get mugged while working.

Sounds kind of like Clinton's policy for foreign aid deliveries...

20 posted on 03/28/2008 6:31:55 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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