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Ancient Weapons Dug Up In India (15-20,000 Year Old)
BBC ^ | 3-28-2008 | Amitabha Bhattasali

Posted on 03/28/2008 8:11:07 PM PDT by blam

Ancient weapons dug up in India

By Amitabha Bhattasali
BBC News, Calcutta

Stone age weapons are not usually found in such an old soil layer

Archaeologists in the eastern Indian state of West Bengal have discovered small weapons made of stone which are around 15,000-20,000 years old.

The artefacts - dating to the Stone Age - were found during excavations in Murshidabad district, near Bangladesh.

Archaeologists say the find is potentially significant as it suggests man's presence in the area dates back much earlier than previously believed.

Finds such as this on the floodplains of the River Ganges are very rare.

However, there is ample evidence of stone age activity in India's upland regions.

'Raw materials'

The weapons - which include small axes - were discovered at Ekani-Chandpara village near Sagardighi, which is an ancient site.

This is one of a number of pots found at the site

Archaeologists say the weapons were found from a soil layer belonging to the mid-Pleistocene period - much below the Holocene layer where present human habitation takes place.

"We have not only discovered the weapons at this site, but raw materials and the scraps were also found," Dr Gautam Sengupta, director of the State Archaeology Department, told the BBC.

"This proves that the weapons were made at this place itself."

Another reason why the find is so significant, archaeologists say, is because Stone Age weapons are not normally found at such an old soil layer in the Gangetic alluvial plains.

However it is well known that raw materials for making weapons are easily found in the plateau region and most Stone Age discoveries are from this area.

Chance

So far, no human fossils or remains other than some charcoal have been found at the site.

Scientists have yet to confirm how old the charcoal is.

The archaeologists were surprised by what they found

"The history of civilisation in this region has suddenly gone back by around 20,000 years," one archaeologist said.

After the discovery, two eminent geo-archaeologists - Prof SN Rajguru and Dr Bhaskar Deotare - visited the excavation site and confirmed that the weapons date back to the smaller Stone Age.

The discovery was made by chance, Dr Sengupta said.

"We were digging the site for some archaeological evidence of the Sultanate period. We were expecting some ancient artefacts related to Sultan Hussein Shah," he said - referring to a former ruler from the area.

"We did find those, but our archaeologists kept on digging to unearth some more historical evidence of that period and now we have found these Stone Age weapons," Dr Sengupta said.

After winding up the excavation at Ekani Chandpara in a couple of weeks, archaeologists are planning to launch a search for ancient human habitation in a wider area.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1520000; ancient; banglist; godsgravesglyphs; india; weapons

1 posted on 03/28/2008 8:11:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 03/28/2008 8:11:39 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

>>”The history of civilisation in this region has suddenly gone back by around 20,000 years,” one archaeologist said.<<

Back to 20,000 years... not by 20,000 years.


3 posted on 03/28/2008 8:19:09 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: blam
Could have been buried in a pit I suppose...but weapons 20.000 isn't as surprising as clay pottery!
4 posted on 03/28/2008 8:20:07 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: blam

Looks like rocks to me.


5 posted on 03/28/2008 8:23:25 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: P8riot

Glad I wasn’t the only one that thought so.


6 posted on 03/28/2008 8:29:42 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: blam

Iconic finds appear to be anti-liberal in nature.


7 posted on 03/28/2008 8:31:12 PM PDT by Eddie01 (Freepers don't let Freepers get spun)
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To: BenLurkin; Coyoteman
"Could have been buried in a pit I suppose...but weapons 20,000 isn't as surprising as clay pottery!"

Yup. I believe a clay pot at that age is a problem.

8 posted on 03/28/2008 8:34:03 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

They’ll figure out some way to explain it. Like a tooth becomes a 18 foot long lizard with antlers.


9 posted on 03/28/2008 8:36:28 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: 2111USMC

The emperor has no clothes


10 posted on 03/28/2008 8:36:32 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: blam

Re: the pottery ... it’s probably poor writing or editing of the article

Shekels to doughnuts the pottery was dug up in the Sultanate layer ... should have been labeled as such.


11 posted on 03/28/2008 8:37:24 PM PDT by jwfiv
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To: 2111USMC; P8riot

I see rocks too.

No mistaking the pottery though.


12 posted on 03/28/2008 8:38:50 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: blam
That pot they show in the pic is very curious. It has a strange little hole in the side. It almost looks like a bong. Don't they claim that ganja came from somewhere around india?
13 posted on 03/28/2008 8:42:12 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: mamelukesabre

All I see is rocks as well. The clay pot can’t be that old. Something is amiss in this article.


14 posted on 03/28/2008 8:47:01 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: blam

I’ve got rocks like that in my driveway. I’m going to go apply for a research grant.........


15 posted on 03/28/2008 8:53:09 PM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: P8riot
Looks like rocks to me.

It is hard to tell from the photo, particularly as there is no scale.

They sure don't look like projectile weapons, and unless they are much bigger than they appear I don't see how they could be used on an ax.

I guess they must be very primitive tools and bigger than they appear.

Its really hard to analyze stone tools from a picture with no scale!

16 posted on 03/28/2008 9:09:57 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Yeah, I thought it was first smoked by ancient hindu sages to kill the sex drive.


17 posted on 03/28/2008 9:44:11 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Coyoteman

Those tools look really crude by paleolithic standards.

Acheulian, I’d say.


18 posted on 03/28/2008 9:45:16 PM PDT by sinanju
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19 posted on 03/28/2008 9:54:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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To: blam

Were they assault weapons? ;-)


20 posted on 03/28/2008 10:05:46 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: blam

Do we Assume that these rocks have some evidence of fashioning into tools by human hands?

They are described as “small” but we get no actual size parameters. The fact that the archeologists found it necessary to describe them as “small” makes me a little leery.

If they are small, do we assume they were designed for small warriors?

Sometimes a rock is just a rock.


21 posted on 03/29/2008 6:02:28 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: coconutt2000
Were they assault weapons? ;-)

They look more like asphalt weapons

22 posted on 03/29/2008 6:10:22 AM PDT by bigheadfred (freeevanvela.com)
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To: wildbill
Sometimes a rock is just a rock.

The key difference is bifacial flaking. If you have repeated flake removal on both sides of the stone it is extremely unlikely to be natural.

23 posted on 03/29/2008 8:55:02 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: 2111USMC; P8riot

I’m no expert by any means, but I sure would think these were ordinary rocks if I found them on the ground.


24 posted on 03/29/2008 2:34:37 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: blam

I was really hoping for the flying disc of fire from The Mahabharata.


25 posted on 04/06/2008 4:25:57 PM PDT by Republican Party Reptile
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