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Terri Schiavo's Family Calls for Observance of Terri's Day to Honor Disabled Woman
Life News ^ | 3/31/08 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 03/31/2008 2:52:07 PM PDT by wagglebee

St. Petersburg, FL (LifeNews.com) -- Terri Schiavo's family and a leading pro-life group are calling on people to honor the disabled woman whose husband took her life in a painful euthanasia death. Together with Priests for Life, the Schindler family has established the observance of “Terri’s Day” each March 31.

That's the day Terri succumbed to a 13-day starvation and dehydration death at the hand of Michael Schiavo, her former husband who won a court order to take her life.

“This third anniversary should be an occasion for all of us to both remember the injustice done to Terri, and reach out to others with prayer and concrete action when they need the kind of help Terri needed," Terri's brother Bobby Schindler told LifeNews.com on Monday.

Suzanne Vitadamo, Terri’s sister, added that Terri's Day is also a way for her family to encourage others to take better care of the elderly and disabled.

“Our family continues to be consoled and uplifted by the many ways in which people honor my sister, learn from her story, and grow in compassion for all the disabled," she said.

During the days leading up to Terri's death, Father Frank Pavone of Priests for Life brought comfort and peace to the Schindler family.

Father Pavone was present for the final prayer Terri participated in before her death. He also saw the manipulative ways Michael tried to prevent the Schindler family from caring for her or being present with her during the starvation and dehydration.

“Terri’s death was not the end of her fight," he told LifeNews.com. "It was the beginning of a new chapter in the pro-life movement."

"I call upon all those who were moved by Terri’s death to continue their courageous activism in the cause of life, and never to be silent," he said.

Together, Priests for Life and the Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation encourage churches, families, organizations and individuals to observe Terri’s Day with prayers, memorial services, educational activities and community outreach.

Related web sites:
Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation - http://www.terrisfight.org
Priests for Life - http://www.priestsforlife.org



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: euthanasia; moralabsolutes; prolife; terridailies; terrischiavo
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
It's that Kingsley Guy again. This time he posits that man is so darned smart, who needs God. This Guy is so smart he smirks at the realization that he and his leftist brains are so superior to poor dopes like us. We have something similar going on in our garden once it thaws out from the Gore winter. The ants will emerge and if you ask them, they are the supreme rulers of all of Maine. To prove it, they just ask each other.

Now, the Guy invokes the Terri Legacy as proof of something or other, at least that it hangs on his consciousness. Maybe he will evolve.

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Scientific progress, of course, is as much about correcting mistakes as uncovering truths. Newtonian physics put men on the moon, but Einstein's physics demonstrated its flaws and limitations. When Darwin published his findings in 1859, scientific concepts such as systems theory and feedback loops didn't exist. Today, some bona fide scientists are exploring the idea that consistent patterns influence the evolutionary process.

Scientists need to keep an open mind, for there's no telling what the future will bring in the way of knowledge. As Florida moves into that future, however, its public schools need to deal with real science, and not pseudo-science based on the begats or equally questionable foundations.

Republicans in government should remember Terri Schiavo. They pandered to the religious right by trying to keep her hooked up to a feeding tube, but their actions appalled millions of other Floridians, and they felt the backlash.

The same could hold true for evolution. Legislators may win some votes through an egalitarian approach toward biological science, but they risk alienating plenty of other Floridians who want to live in the 21st century rather than the 17th.

Creationism doesn't measure up to science

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201 posted on 04/16/2008 3:31:23 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Living will or won't and Colby, not just a cheese.

Yesterday we had a spate of living will coverage, all orbiting around the hub of Terri's Legacy. Today is amplification from Colby on living for death. Alas I may only excerpt from this organ, not to say the rest is so brilliant or exciting....

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Today, thousands of Americans will talk about how we die.

Even weirder, those of us working in “the field” are delighted.

The day is called National Healthcare Decisions Day. Today is the first. One of the national leaders of this effort is Kansas City’s own Center for Practical Bioethics. In our city alone, dozens of hospitals and nursing homes are hosting education fairs, radios are running announcements, nurses are wearing “Ask-Me-About-Advance-Directives” buttons, and much more........

Talking honestly about death is the best way to live

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202 posted on 04/16/2008 3:44:14 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; EternalVigilance; MountainFlower
An article complete with YouTube is on Alan Keyes and is sprinkled with usual caveats and digs but still positive to a degree.

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Folks in our area likely best remember him from his campaign in 2004 for the vacant U.S. Senate seat in Illinois. Keyes was recruited as a last-ditch GOP fallguy against Barack Obama, after the primary winner, Jack Ryan, imploded in a divorce/sex scandal, and some other runners-up wanted to dodge the Obama train.

Keyes — as he did in Illinois — has traditionally championed a platform that appears to be more conservative than the GOP electorate in general. But he also has a bit of money and some limited star power. 

The historical highlights of his platform include staunch opposition for gay marriage and homosexuality (which reportedly led to a dust-up with his lesbian daughter Maya), support for a harsh crackdown on Palestinians by Israel, defense of Alabama/Ten Commandments Judge Roy Moore, and advocacy of state intervention in the Terri Schiavo case. His background: a PhD in government from Harvard and almost 20 years as a diplomat mostly under Ronald Reagan.

Keyes for his part has never really given up his quest to influence the national conservative debate. His website proudly bears a quote from Ronald Reagan at a 1988 fundraiser: “I’ve never known a more stout-hearted defender of a strong America than Alan Keyes.”

Below, I’ve posted the most watched video from Keyes’ YouTube channel.

The YouTube link above actually brings one to a page featuring a selection of Alan Keyes vids. Scroll to the article link below for the featured vid.

Web Watch: Whatever happened to…?

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203 posted on 04/16/2008 4:07:06 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; EternalVigilance; CounterCounterCulture
Any while on topic we have a live thread by CounterCounterCulture on the Alan Keyes press conference yesterday. Thanks, EV, for the ping.

Alan Keyes Press conference - 04/15/08 - Hazleton, PA - Live Thread

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204 posted on 04/16/2008 4:15:53 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; 2ndDivisionVet
Unnerving fumes emanate from the Hussain asylum of B.O.

Thread by 2ndDivisionVet.

A pro-life group is tagging Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama for a speech he gave last year at a Planned Parenthood forum. Obama indicated the first action he would take as president would be signing a comprehensive pro-abortion bill that would entrench Roe v. Wade.

"Well, the first thing I'd do as president is, is sign the Freedom of Choice Act," Obama said at a July 17 event for the nation's leading abortion business.

The FOCA bill would make legalized abortion the law of the land, but it would go further and overturn state pro-life laws nationwide................

Pro-Life Group Tags Barack Obama for Making More Abortion First Priority

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205 posted on 04/16/2008 4:36:49 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
A great idea! Holy Toledo! Thread by wagglebee.

TOLEDO, OH, April 15, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In an effort to present pre-natal development "in an educational and non-confrontational manner," the Foundation for Life organization has rented space in a local mall for its "Truth Booth," featuring a set of ultrasound images tracing the development of a child from seven weeks of age until birth.

The unmanned display is in a rented kiosk in Westfield Franklin Park Shopping Mall.

"Being unmanned will actually help people just wander up to it. They won't feel threatened. They won't feel like there's any pressure. Any preachiness or debate that will take place…They'll debate this within their own minds," explained said Paige Scarlett, development director of Foundation for Life.....

"Truth Booth" Shows Fetal Development in Ohio Mall

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206 posted on 04/16/2008 4:42:19 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
A YouTube from Fr. Pavone in a thread by wagglebee...

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Staten Island, NY (LifeNews.com) -- A leading pro-life Catholic group is challenging pro-abortion politicians with new YouTube videos illustrating the two most common types of abortion methods. The videos are part of a campaign Priests for Life has started, called “Is This What You Mean?”

Father Frank Pavone, the head of the pro-life group, talked with LifeNews.com about the new initiative.......

Pro-Life Group Challenges Pro-Abortion Politicians With Video of Abortions

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207 posted on 04/16/2008 4:46:20 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
The devil goes to church, too, and says he is a Christian. Thread by wagglebee.

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A leading United Methodist Church bishop is coming under heavy criticism for wanting to keep the Protestant denomination as a member of a pro-abortion coalition for religious groups. The UMC has been dogged from pro-life advocates within the denomination for decades.

San Francisco-area United Methodist Bishop Beverly Shamana, the president of the church's Washington lobby office, is urging UMC officials to keep the group involved in the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice.....

United Methodist Bishop Wants Church to Stay in Pro-Abortion Coalition

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208 posted on 04/16/2008 4:50:09 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
In a classic oxymoron some morons are Pro-Abortion Catholics. Thread by wagglebee.

WASHINGTON, D.C., April 15, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - American Life League has warned pro-abortion Catholic politicians not to politicize the Eucharist in a nation-wide, full page message addressed to Pope Benedict XVI.

"First of all, welcome from the bottom of our hearts," says the ad. "From us all, thank you for the blessing of your presence. But most of all, please protect the body of Christ from the bloodstained hands of pro-abortion 'Catholics.'"

On April 17, Pope Benedict XVI will celebrate Mass in Washington, DC where pro-abortion Catholic politicians are expected to attempt to receive communion.........

Pro-Abortion Catholic Politicians Warned Against Receiving Communion During Papal Visit

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209 posted on 04/16/2008 4:55:38 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
Peggy Noonan wrote this days before Terri's torture ended her life.

Lessons

This piece by Peggy Noonan really struck me this morning. What are the lessons our children will be learning from this Terri Schiavo travesty?

Terri Schiavo may well die. No good will come of it. Those who are half in love with death will only become more red-fanged and ravenous.

And those who are still learning--our children--oh, what terrible lessons they're learning. What terrible stories are shaping them. They're witnessing the Schiavo drama on television and hearing it on radio. They are seeing a society--their society, their people--on the verge of famously accepting, even embracing, the idea that a damaged life is a throwaway life.

Our children have been reared in the age of abortion, and are coming of age in a time when seemingly respectable people are enthusiastic for euthanasia. It cannot be good for our children, and the world they will make, that they are given this new lesson that human life is not precious, not touched by the divine, not of infinite value.

Once you "know" that--that human life is not so special after all--then everything is possible, and none of it is good. When a society comes to believe that human life is not inherently worth living, it is a slippery slope to the gas chamber. You wind up on a low road that twists past Columbine and leads toward Auschwitz. Today that road runs through Pinellas Park, Fla.

I want Jeb Bush to be the stuff of legend--not president--for saying enough is enough and running into the Bastille to save Terri. Just save her. We will work through the backlash later.

... and Jeb froze. FV

210 posted on 04/16/2008 2:05:47 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: 8mmMauser

All kidding aside, if a Catholic entrepeneur manufactured small and kid sized Popemobiles (that kids could drive), it could pay for this trip and raise money for needy children. It’s not a religious artifact so I think it would be a great idea. If that’s not a hot idea, whatever but I think it would raise lots of money to use for good.


211 posted on 04/16/2008 2:40:23 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: All; 8mmMauser

Hope some of you will be able to watch Ben Stein’s movie:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2002141/posts

Coming near you this Friday.


212 posted on 04/16/2008 4:58:32 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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Reportage of Terri-related topics has quickened. Some has to do with the topic of living wills, but for whatever reason, be watchful. We may be facing a Spring Offensive of troll activity as has already shown up on threads about our topics.

The topic, though, is living wills and advanced directives. I cannot make even an excerpt on this one, being a Gannett publication, only a link...

From GetPublished: Today is National Healthcare Decisions Day

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213 posted on 04/17/2008 4:04:35 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
The story of the day as mentioned in the post above is living wills and advance directives.

Critical-care decisions including hydration, ventilation or nutrition (such as a feeding tube) can be specified before a critical accident or abrupt illness leaves a person unable to communicate.

“A situation like Terri Schiavo’s in Florida years ago never would have happened if she had filled out these forms and made her critical care, end-of-life wishes known,” Iredell Hospice hospital liaison Debbie Lackey said......

Local experts tout benefits of having health-care decisions, wills in writing

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214 posted on 04/17/2008 4:11:43 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; floriduh voter; amdgmary
The man who would be King...

From Tampa Bay Online:

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TALLAHASSEE - A group of Republican senators who helped kill legislation in 2005 to intervene in the Terri Schiavo case may stand with Democrats again this year to oppose a controversial abortion bill.

The Senate is poised to vote on a bill requiring ultrasounds before abortions. Already passed by the House, the bill would require doctors to show the ultrasound results to patients seeking an abortion, unless the patient opted out of the viewing. The bill faces a tougher road in the more politically moderate Senate, where Republicans hold a narrower majority.

For Senate Majority Leader Dan Webster, sponsor of the legislation, the vote could prove to be a flashback.

Three years ago, Webster sponsored legislation to intervene in the case of Schiavo, a vegetative, brain-damaged patient whose husband, Michael, sought to remove her feeding tube over her parents' objections.

A cadre of nine Republicans broke ranks to kill the bill, which would have required that sustenance continue for a patient if there was a dispute among family members over end-of-life issues.

Former Senate President Jim King, R-Jacksonville, was among the Republican dissenters on Schiavo. At the time, he said the issue was "a very personal type of thing. It transcends Republican and Democrat."

Now it appears that abortion ultrasounds may be the same kind of transcendent issue.

King, who opposes Webster's abortion bill, is counting votes from other Republicans to kill it.

"I started out with nine votes," King said Wednesday. "I know I've got more than six, and those six are going to be steadfast."

Webster's seniority, influence and the respect he enjoys make mounting an opposition tougher this year, King said. Webster's retirement from the Senate this year because of term limits has some senators who are personally loyal to Webster thinking of the abortion bill as his "last hurrah."

So far, only one of the Senate's 14 Democrats has said he will vote for Webster's legislation. Sen. Gary Siplin, D-Orlando, voted for it in committee and confirmed Wednesday that he will support it on the Senate floor.

If King has six GOP votes and the Democrats furnish 13, "I'm still one shy" of the 20 needed, he said.

King would not name the six votes he has counted, but noted that not all had voted "no" in the Schiavo case. At least one Republican who dissented in 2005 plans to support this year's bill: JD Alexander of Winter Haven, who is anti-abortion.

Likewise, King can no longer turn to Nancy Argenziano, who voted against the Schiavo bill but left the Senate in 2007 to join the Public Service Commission..............

Theres Bipartisan Opposition To Abortion Ultrasound Bill

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215 posted on 04/17/2008 4:18:44 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; floriduh voter; amdgmary
Mor on King...

ALLAHASSEE (FBW) – Sen. Jim King (R-Jacksonville) is attempting to rally fellow moderate Republican senators to kill a bill which would require women seeking abortions to have an ultrasound during the first trimester of pregnancy, the Miami Herald reported today.

Current Florida law already requires ultrasounds during the second and third trimester. Sponsored by Sen. Daniel Webster (R-Winter Garden), SB 2400 includes a provision permitting women to decline to see the ultrasound image.

Webster’s bill has been approved narrowly by two Senate committees and is ready for floor consideration by the entire body. But King, the powerful former president of the Senate and current chairman of the Rules Committee, “has approached moderate Republicans to find out if they’ll join Democrats to vote no,” reported the Herald....

Report: King trying to kill Webster ultrasound abortion bill

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216 posted on 04/17/2008 4:22:52 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
In the post above I spelled the capitol of Florida wrong. It just is not Allahassee. It has nothing to do with Allah, I think. It needs a T. I would like to buy a T and make it Tallahassee.

Stepping back, I can see clearly now, Allah is in Tallahassee but I do not see God in Tallahassee at least very clearly.

217 posted on 04/17/2008 4:31:41 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
This is my last living will testament for today. The news shows many other articles on this Living Will day but most are repetitive of what we already have seen in volume.

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"There are two parts to the advance medical directive," she said. "One is the living will, and the other is the health-care power of attorney."

The living will allocates a person’s estate, and the health-care power of attorney appoints someone to make medical decisions when the person is unable.

Directives drew national attention in 2005 after Michael Schiavo petitioned the U.S. Supreme Court to allow him to remove the feeding tube from his wife, Terri Schiavo. She had substantial brain damage and been in a vegetative state for 15 years.

Terri Schiavo died two weeks after her feeding tube was removed.

WMC has changed its policies to become more aware of its patients’ right to choose how and when to end their lives....

Importance of living wills explained

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218 posted on 04/17/2008 4:37:46 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Although this thread is not directly related to Terri's Legacy, it is tangential, and related enough to bring out spring trolls. Scroll through the posts and you shall find.

For trivia lovers, Moxie actually comes from Maine and we drink it. It has some magical ingredient that does the trick. Thread by wagglebee.

Did you catch the video this week of a student kicking the stuffing out of an art teacher in Baltimore, Maryland while the rest of the class cheered the pounding on? Y’know, if that teacher was moi, and some F-bomb dropping Darwinian throwback came over my desk to accost me, I’d grab my handy dandy scissors and plant ‘em in the feral teen’s skullcap, Jason Voorhees style.

From there I would proceed to snag the American flag from the corner of the room (if there was one) in order to stave off the rest of the flesh eating zombies ‘til Jason Statham came in with dual SKSes, spitting 154 grain FMJs, to assist with my safe exit.

As a teacher, I’d have painted on the front of my desk: DON’T TREAD ON ME—and I’d have the moxie to back it up....

Doug Giles: Don’t Send Your Kids to Publik Skule (If You Love Them)

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219 posted on 04/17/2008 4:44:59 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Johnathan Swift-boating the enemy...

Thread by wagglebee.

Do you remember that "Modest Proposal" of Swift's? In the infamous satirical essay of that name Swift, the author best known for "Gulliver's Travels", suggested to the Irish public a simple solution to poverty - the culling of babies from poor families, and their subsequent stewing. Not only, he observed, would there be fewer mouths to feed, but the babies would help feed the poor that remained by being converted into a sumptuous and economical stew. A win-win situation. True, the idea of baby stew has always struck Swift's readers as a tad grotesque, and therefore his proposal has never been implemented on a wide scale....

If Only Babies Were Pigeons: A Swiftian Vision

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220 posted on 04/17/2008 4:52:41 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Opposition to ultrasounds is as clear evidence as there will ever be of the abortionists desire to hide the truth. It demonstrates in the simplest of ways that they are only interested in killing the baby and have no regard for the wishes of the mother — they believe that the moment a women expresses a willingness to murder her baby that her decision should be etched in stone and irrevocable.


221 posted on 04/17/2008 4:53:26 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: All; wagglebee; Lesforlife
My admiration for Jill Stanek grows with words like hers in WND.

Thread by wagglebee.

I'm not naïve. I know there are 12-year-olds in the world having sex. But it's not normal behavior. A 6th-grader seeking sex lives in a dysfunctional home. More likely she is being raped by an adult perpetrator. That's not what I say. That's what Planned Parenthood and Guttmacher Institute say:

The younger the mother, the greater the partner age gap. … Fathers are on average 9.8 years older than mothers 11 to 12 years of age.

I have never known or heard of a father, diligent or absentee, liberal or conservative, who pondered aloud that his 9-year-old daughter in three short years might have unprotected consensual sex, so we must make contraceptives and abortion available to her.

Such a father would be creepy, close to a pedophilia promoter.

Such a father would be Barack Obama, who indicated such at Sunday's Compassion Forum....

Jill Stanek: Obama and the sex life of 12 year olds

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222 posted on 04/17/2008 4:59:19 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: wagglebee
Opposition to ultrasounds is as clear evidence as there will ever be of the abortionists desire to hide the truth.

Exactly. If they can maintain that it's just a blob of goo then it's fine to cut it out.

223 posted on 04/17/2008 5:36:54 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (The fence is "absolutely not the answer" - Gov. Rick Perry (R, TX))
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To: 8mmMauser

Fr. Tom Euteneur is on Neil Cavuto now. I was yelling across the pkg lot w/him at Terri’s Mass. He’s like Fr. Pavone. They’re both great priests.


224 posted on 04/17/2008 1:53:44 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: 8mmMauser

Jim King a/k/a Humpty Dumpty is gonna fall off the wall eventually and he’ll want our prayers and sympathy. All I have for him is pity and disdain. HE’s the biggest (literally) RINO in Amerika and on another thread, he’s being a perv again.


225 posted on 04/17/2008 1:57:04 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: wagglebee

Punish with a baby and burden somebody with disabled people. It’s a brave new world.


226 posted on 04/17/2008 1:58:34 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: 8mmMauser
Jim King's a killjoy. MAY BE NEWS TO FREEPERS... If McCain picks him, it's even worse for the GOP

FYI, freepers. Tom Ridge is PRO-CHOICE. No wonder Tom Ridge didn't help Terri.

227 posted on 04/17/2008 4:36:01 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
The appalling injustices rendered against Terri caused many of us to wonder in shock. What kind of reasoning would cause a people to weep and wail over the rather humane execution of a vicious killer, and at the same time smile in approval at the cruelest of agonizing killing of an innocent. This article comes from the Thaddeus Pope blog on Medical Futility, with thanks for LesforLife in pointing it out.

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Gary posted the following comment to a recent post:

States are ending the application of the death penalty on the reasoning that the state may put someone to death that was not actually guilty (most recently New Jersey). This though a jury would have weighed evidence that they determined was "clear and convinving" to bring a conviction. Some of us wonder why such care is taken not to err with some people and yet the possibility of error is bypassed with others?
I think this question raises interesting broad and deep issues. Why are similar issues with similar consequences treated so differently in different areas of the law? What is sufficiently voluntary for a guilty plea that results in prison time may be less demanding than what is sufficiently voluntary consent for a simple commercial contract. But we can put aside such questions for now (or at least until the law review article I wan to write in the summer of 2009).

While both lead to someone's involuntary death, there are some material distinctions between medical futility and capital punishment:

1. Active -- Passive: Capital punishment is active killing using a lethal agent. In contrast, medical futility is only passive, only entailing the refusal to use medical technology. Some think the active-passive distinction is not too firm. But it remains grounded in our jurisprudence.

2. Categorical -- Individual: Capital punishment is a criminal matter. The person is seized by the state and forced to undergo the execution. In contrast, health care providers involved in a medical futility dispute do not necessarily think the patient should die. They just do not want to be the ones to "torture" the patient by continuing aggressive treatment where the burdens of that treatment seriously outweigh any possible benefit. If the surrogate can transfer the patient to a provider who feels differently, then that's fine. The original providers just say I don't want to provide this treatment,"not through me." It's more akin to exile (Socrates, Napoleon...) than capital punishment.

3. Non-consensual -- Consensual: In capital punishment, the prisoner often does not want to die. In contrast, in medical futility disputes there is often good reason to think that the patient herself wanted to stop LSMT. The dispute arises because the patient's surrogates demand the LSMT. But we suspect that while the legally authorized decision makers, the surrogates are not acting as good "agents" in accordance with the preferences and interests of the patient.

4. Non-terminal -- Terminal: Executed prisoners may often be healthy and could live for many years, albeit in prison. The patients who are the subject of futility disputes are often terminally ill and have but days to live even with LSMT.

I am sure there are many more distinctions that we can draw. But it seems that the higher level of certainty demanded in capital punishment is warranted.
Posted by Thaddeus Mason Pope at 10:16 AM

Medical Futility vs. Capital Punishment

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228 posted on 04/18/2008 2:36:50 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; amdgmary; floriduh voter
Dockery and life...

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Re: “Dockery Calls Abortion Bill Intrusive” in the Wednesday, April 16 edition of Hernando Today.

Color me underwhelmed by Sen. Dockery's self-proclaimed “staunchly pro-life stand.” Voting to alert parents that their underage child is contemplating what can be a life-threatening operation and compelling abortion mills to meet basic sanitation standards does not make one a crusader for life.
During the Terri Schiavo tragedy, Sen. Dockery failed to come down on the side of life, refusing to recognize that Terri's killing was a precedent-setting step on the slippery slope to state approved euthanasia.
Now, even though she “personally would like to prevent someone from having an abortion,” she finds the means which could prevent such wanton killing “invasive.” Gee, Paula, ripping pre-born babies from their mothers' wombs is pretty invasive too — and lethal for the babies. As for Rep. Schultz's inane comment that he doesn't think the government should mandate a medical procedure, I guess he's never heard of random drug testing, pre-marriage blood tests or state required vaccinations for school children.
Statistics show that many women are affected by abortions they “chose” all of their lives. They often lament that they didn’t know what they were doing or that they weren't given all the facts.
What is wrong with giving women the most up-to-date medical information available to aid them in this life or death decision? Certainly Planned Parenthood doesn't want it; they will loose money they make as the largest abortion provider in the country. Even pro-abortion Democrats profess they want to make abortion rare. All who truly mean this should support this bill.

Mary Lou Wright
Brooksville

Dockery Not On Side Of Life

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229 posted on 04/18/2008 2:44:01 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Living will articles still trickle in. Once again, they say we have not enough talk, but I note they have not enough facts, about Terri.

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When Dr. Patricia Bomba’s mother was dying, the end wasn't as difficult for her or her family because her loved ones knew the medical care she received was on her terms.


Bomba’s mother had put her wishes in writing, so her loved ones and doctors could follow her instructions.


“It was the final gift that our mother gave to us and the final gift we gave to her,” she said.


Not enough people put their end-of-life care wishes in writing, Bomba and other health care officials said at a Wednesday press conference at the Elizabeth G. and Jennifer J. Hildebrandt Hospice Care Center in Greece.

~Snip~

Designating a health care proxy and communicating wishes to loved ones ensures they are carried out, said Bomba, who is Excellus BlueCross BlueShield’s vice president and medical director for geriatrics. She pointed to Terri Schiavo, a Florida woman, who made international news. She was in a vegetative state for more than a decade as her parents and husband battled over whether she'd want to be kept alive.............

Not enough talk about end-of-life care

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230 posted on 04/18/2008 2:51:08 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
A positive note in a thread by wagglebee...

DALLAS, April 17 /Christian Newswire/ -- On the first anniversary of Gonzales v. Carhart, Heartbeat International joins with The Justice Foundation, Operation Outcry, and compassionate supporters from around the world to march for a future where abortion is unthinkable. The Hope for Life march begins at the Heartbeat International Conference at the Sheraton Hotel (formerly Adams Mark) and proceeds to the Dallas Courthouse, where the Roe v. Wade case was initiated and paved the way to more than 40 million abortions.

"Often, women tell us they were encouraged to abort, persuaded that abortion is a good choice without being informed about life-saving options. These same women tell us they would have rejected abortion had they known the truth and been encouraged to choose life," said Hartshorn. "Women need to know that Heartbeat is here to provide healthy alternatives to abortion."......

Heartbeat Pregnancy Centers Deliver Hope for Life

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231 posted on 04/18/2008 3:02:12 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
As fantasy melds with reality in the diseased minds of the left it should come as no surprise that even the august thinkers of the left are gullible fools to fall for a hoax. Thread by wagglebee on the brilliant Yalies.

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The Yale Daily News breathlessly informed us of a female student, art major Aliza Shvarts, who claimed that her senior art project was a documentation of nine months of self-induced miscarriages. Her goal, of course, was to "spark conversation" about "the relationship between art and the human body."

What is really the truth with this so-called "art" project, though, is that Shvarts has pulled the wool over the eyes of the Yale Daily News, the willing dupes who claim to be her professors, and anyone reading this story on Drudge and believing she really induced her own miscarriages. It's all a hoax.

Or, if not an outright hoax, it’s a misleading tale of a girl who hasn't a clue about how one becomes pregnant, what the fake drugs she took are really capable of doing, and the psychological pain of a real miscarriage.

It's also proof that our sources of news rarely if ever employ any common sense in how they write up the news. A tiny bit of logic put to this story of "self-induced miscarriages" would reveal it to be all stuff and nonsense.

But, no, what we get instead is the story reported as if it is fact and not the cynical efforts of a kid that just wants her 15 minutes of fame. It is also proof that the liberal side of the abortion debate leads the ideological mindset of the news................

Pro-Life Commentator Alleges Yale Student's "Abortion Art" Claim a Scam

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232 posted on 04/18/2008 3:09:46 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Terri doesn’t fit the “medical futility” guidelines listed here.


233 posted on 04/18/2008 6:48:55 AM PDT by penowa
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To: 8mmMauser
Not enough talk about end-of-life care

Translation: Not enough people opting out of life.

234 posted on 04/18/2008 6:50:16 AM PDT by BykrBayb (In memory of my Friend T'wit, who taught me much. Þ)
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Translation: Not enough people opting out of life.

Exactly! People seem to forget that until very recently the Judeo-Christian tradition has ALWAYS been to do whatever is possible to keep people alive as long as possible. What do these death culters think "Thou shalt not kill" means?

235 posted on 04/18/2008 6:54:14 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 8mmMauser
I'm somewhat confused, and hope that you can help me out. Are you all against advance health care directives? If so, do you mind saying why? It seems like your concerns over Terri Schiavo would indicate a strong advocation for formalizing one's end-of-life wishes.
Thanks!

Best,
Etixos

236 posted on 04/18/2008 8:55:16 AM PDT by Etixos
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To: 8mmMauser

PAULA DOCKERY VOTED TO KILL TERRI SCHIAVO (R). We have her photograph with the others.


237 posted on 04/18/2008 1:56:37 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: wagglebee

The Pope made it very clear at the UN (not the greatest body imo) today that the first duty of government is protection of human beings. I was glad that he also said human beings are in the image of God. The government failed to protect Terri Schindler Schiavo which is why she’s a martyr and why we aren’t MOVING ON. The first duty of government IS TO PROTECT HUMAN BEINGS whether it’s Terri, people holed up in an Embassy, or people marooned after a hurricane and levee break in NOLA, whether they’re young, old, disabled or anyone else.


238 posted on 04/18/2008 2:02:00 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: 8mmMauser

Illinois has an earthquake today. Isn’t that where Reverend Wright hails from and that marxist Barack Obama?


239 posted on 04/18/2008 2:03:03 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: 8mmMauser

There’s a new document called a Loving Will and there’s also a Will to Live document. Living Wills were drafted by the death cultists so they’re the worst choice.


240 posted on 04/18/2008 2:04:10 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: wagglebee

Death culters believe the ten commandments are the ten suggestions.


241 posted on 04/18/2008 2:05:24 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: floriduh voter

She’s dead jim


242 posted on 04/18/2008 2:05:47 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: Etixos
There’s a new document called a Loving Will and there’s also a Will to Live document. Living Wills were drafted by the death cultists so they’re the worst choice.

Living Wills are a tool of the death cultists unless you're not particularly fond of breathing.

243 posted on 04/18/2008 2:07:22 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: bert
1. Terri was murdered. 2. Terri is a martyr. 3. Instead of moping for the rest of their lives, Terri's blood relatives are continuing their mission.

www.terrisfight.org.

Terri threads are not a place to make fun of the dead.

244 posted on 04/18/2008 2:11:39 PM PDT by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: bert

Why would you think that’s funny?


245 posted on 04/18/2008 2:36:55 PM PDT by BykrBayb (In memory of my Friend T'wit, who taught me much. Þ)
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To: wagglebee

I thought Terri’s Dailies were off limits to trolls.


246 posted on 04/18/2008 2:39:44 PM PDT by BykrBayb (In memory of my Friend T'wit, who taught me much. Þ)
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To: wagglebee

I thought Terri’s Dailies were off limits to trolls.


247 posted on 04/18/2008 2:39:47 PM PDT by BykrBayb (In memory of my Friend T'wit, who taught me much. Þ)
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To: bert; floriduh voter; 8mmMauser; BykrBayb; Lesforlife; bjs1779; Sun; Dante3; Coleus; amdgmary; ...
She’s dead jim

So?

Under YOUR method, the three thousand people who were killed on 9/11/01 are "dead" so we should just "move on." So, I assume that YOU DO NOT support the war on terror. The Founding Fathers are also "dead" so any notion of "original intent" is irrelevant, we should just "move on" and support judicial activism because the Constitution is a "living document."

Additionally, this is the April Terri Dailies thread and the SOLE PURPOSE of this thread is to promote life, dissent IS NOT welcome. There are plenty of other forums where you can express your hatred for Terri and your disdain for life, I'm sure you're familiar with them, Free Republic is a conservative PRO-LIFE forum.

248 posted on 04/18/2008 2:46:42 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: floriduh voter; Etixos; 8mmMauser; BykrBayb

Excellent response!


249 posted on 04/18/2008 2:48:13 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: BykrBayb; floriduh voter; 8mmMauser; Sun; bjs1779; Dante3; amdgmary; bert; Jim Robinson; ...
I thought Terri’s Dailies were off limits to trolls.

That was my understanding as well.

250 posted on 04/18/2008 3:02:56 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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