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The School Crotch Inspector - Fighting the Advil menace, one strip search at a time
Reason ^ | April 2, 2008 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 04/02/2008 3:39:20 PM PDT by neverdem

There are two kinds of people in the world: the kind who think it's perfectly reasonable to strip-search a 13-year-old girl suspected of bringing ibuprofen to school, and the kind who think those people should be kept as far away from children as possible. The first group includes officials at Safford Middle School in Safford, Arizona, who in 2003 forced eighth-grader Savana Redding to prove she was not concealing Advil in her crotch or cleavage.

It also includes two judges on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, who last fall ruled that the strip search did not violate Savana's Fourth Amendment rights. The full court, which recently heard oral arguments in the case, now has an opportunity to overturn that decision and vote against a legal environment in which schoolchildren are conditioned to believe government agents have the authority to subject people to invasive, humiliating searches on the slightest pretext.

Safford Middle School has a "zero tolerance" policy that prohibits possession of all drugs, including not just alcohol and illegal intoxicants but prescription medications and over-the-counter remedies, "except those for which permission to use in school has been granted." In October 2003, acting on a tip, Vice Principal Kerry Wilson found a few 400-milligram ibuprofen pills (each equivalent to two over-the-counter tablets) and one nonprescription naproxen tablet in the pockets of a student named Marissa, who claimed Savana was her source.

Savana, an honors student with no history of disciplinary trouble or drug problems, said she didn't know anything about the pills and agreed to a search of her backpack, which turned up nothing incriminating. Wilson nevertheless instructed a female secretary to strip-search Savana under the school nurse's supervision, without even bothering to contact the girl's mother.

The secretary had Savana take off all her clothing except her underwear. Then she told her to "pull her bra out and to the side and shake it, exposing her breasts," and "pull her underwear out at the crotch and shake it, exposing her pelvic area." Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between drug warriors and child molesters.

"I was embarrassed and scared," Savana said in an affidavit, "but felt I would be in more trouble if I did not do what they asked. I held my head down so they could not see I was about to cry." She called it "the most humiliating experience I have ever had." Later, she recalled, the principal, Robert Beeman, said "he did not think the strip search was a big deal because they did not find anything."

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that a public school official's search of a student is constitutional if it is "justified at its inception" and "reasonably related in scope to the circumstances which justified the interference in the first place." This search was neither.

When Wilson ordered the search, the only evidence that Savana had violated school policy was the uncorroborated accusation from Marissa, who was in trouble herself and eager to shift the blame. Even Marissa (who had pills in her pockets, not her underwear) did not claim that Savana currently possessed any pills, let alone that she had hidden them under her clothes.

Savana, who was closely supervised after Wilson approached her, did not have an opportunity to stash contraband. As the American Civil Liberties Union puts it, "There was no reason to suspect that a thirteen-year-old honor-roll student with a clean disciplinary record had adopted drug-smuggling practices associated with international narcotrafficking, or to suppose that other middle-school students would willingly consume ibuprofen that was stored in another student's crotch."

The invasiveness of the search also has to be weighed against the evil it was aimed at preventing. "Remember," the school district's lawyer recently told ABC News by way of justification, "this was prescription-strength ibuprofen." It's a good thing the school took swift action, before anyone got unauthorized relief from menstrual cramps.

© Copyright 2008 by Creators Syndicate Inc.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: advil; arth; ashredux; authoritarianism; healthnazis; homeschoolingisgood; nannystate; publicschool; schooldiscipline; stripsearch; teens; twoequalsthree; wod; wodlist; zot
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To: AndyJackson
My post 611 inter alia

I posted 611.

Take a few deep breaths.

651 posted on 04/05/2008 12:01:22 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: AndyJackson

Don’t be a sore loser.


652 posted on 04/05/2008 12:02:07 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: TigersEye
No we don't

It's kitty bait. Sooner or later I am going to incite this moral deficient example of whithered manhood into springing on it. Anyone who thinks a strip search of a teenage girl for Advil is appropriate lacks the sense of discrimination, self-control and sense of self-preservation required to keep himself alive. It is merely a matter of time.

653 posted on 04/05/2008 12:03:31 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
Yes we all read the decision.

I don't believe you.

654 posted on 04/05/2008 12:03:45 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
611

I meant 617, but clearly you didn't read it.

655 posted on 04/05/2008 12:04:41 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
Sooner or later I am going to incite this moral deficient example of whithered manhood into springing on it.

Even as a troll, you failed.

656 posted on 04/05/2008 12:04:50 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: AndyJackson

Next you’ll be taken to task for spelling errors. The pettiness of a sociopathic statist is unlimited. Somewhere there is a cosmic chalkboard where he gets another 1/10,000th of a point. For what exactly no sane person could tell you.


657 posted on 04/05/2008 12:05:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (Beijing 2008 - Berlin 1936. Olympics staged for murdering tyrant regimes.)
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To: AndyJackson
I meant 617

Where you begged the meaning of "force".

You're too easy.

658 posted on 04/05/2008 12:06:43 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
Don’t be a sore loser.

Lose what? You have yet to make an argument about anything. What is YOUR position. Not your position on my position, or your position on someone else's position. We want to know YOUR position.

As a start, can we agree with the definition of "strip," i.e.

1. To remove clothing or covering from. 2. To deprive of (clothing or covering)

If you agree with that definition then can you assert which of the following facts you disagree with:


659 posted on 04/05/2008 12:12:16 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Mojave
Where you begged the meaning of "force".

I begged nothing. I cited the dictionary definition of force, which comports with the acts of the officials who forced her to strip so they could search her. The court did not state that she volunteered to remove her clothing, but rather an official of the school directed that she be searched and that she strip in aid of said search.

660 posted on 04/05/2008 12:14:12 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
And another 1/100,000th of a point accumulated in the case supporting the forced strip searching of pre-adolescent girls for possible non-steroidal anti-inflammatory possession in violation of school board certified, arbitrarily enforced school policies.

Nothing to see here, folks. Just the self-immolation of the last vestiges of a never-quite-developed manhood.

661 posted on 04/05/2008 12:14:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (Beijing 2008 - Berlin 1936. Olympics staged for murdering tyrant regimes.)
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To: AndyJackson
the officials who forced her to strip so they could search her

You are easily the most pathetic beggar of questions I've ever run across.

I know you have no use for facts, but:

"I was embarrassed and scared, but felt I would be in more trouble if I did not do what they asked," said Redding in a sworn affidavit following the incident.

662 posted on 04/05/2008 12:18:08 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
I was embarrassed and scared, but felt I would be in more trouble if I did not do what they asked

That is what FORCE is man. What kind of an apostrophied expletive deleted dumb-expletive deleted am I / are we dealing with that does not even understand what force is, and right after I quoted the dictionary definition of force in post 617 too. Do you know what a ditionary is? Do you know what a definition is? Do you know what a word is?

663 posted on 04/05/2008 12:21:27 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Mojave
Any more facts that you want to use to embarrass yourself with?

We knew that fact too. The problem is that most of us know what the word "force" means. You would like to portray this as "voluntary" compliance, but there is nothing voluntary about this.

664 posted on 04/05/2008 12:23:24 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Mojave; metmom; TigersEye; 50mm
"I was embarrassed and scared, but felt I would be in more trouble if I did not do what they asked," said Redding in a sworn affidavit following the incident.

Wow so they terrorized the child too. What a wonderful adults. All for an ADVIL! I wonder what went through this poor child's mind....

665 posted on 04/05/2008 12:23:54 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot......OUT)
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To: AndyJackson

They asked. All your unsupported lies just came crashing down.


666 posted on 04/05/2008 12:24:18 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: pandoraou812; Mojave
This poses and interesting philosophical argument. When the state authoritarians terrorized this young girl into stripping, was her subsequent compliance voluntary or was it under duress. Is under duress the same as under threat of force? Is under threat of force the same as being forced?

Me, I would not split that hair, but apparently this shriveled up excuse of a moral bankrupt would.

667 posted on 04/05/2008 12:27:07 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

You’re setting the bar awfully high there. robertpaulson is gone, only his pup remains.


668 posted on 04/05/2008 12:27:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Beijing 2008 - Berlin 1936. Olympics staged for murdering tyrant regimes.)
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To: pandoraou812
they terrorized the child too.

It must be nice to be able to invent all your facts as needed. No need to actually read or know anything...

669 posted on 04/05/2008 12:28:11 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
They asked. All your unsupported lies just came crashing down.

Would you please step into this gas chamber -- merely a request. All your morally bankrupt hairsplitting just came crashing down.

670 posted on 04/05/2008 12:28:30 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
When the state authoritarians terrorized

Beg, beg, beg...

671 posted on 04/05/2008 12:29:08 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: pandoraou812
Wow so they terrorized the child too. What a wonderful adults. All for an ADVIL! I wonder what went through this poor child's mind....

She's thinking she now has a healthy fear of petty bureaucrats.

It's sad that this lesson has to be learned in this formerly free, formerly great nation, but, alas, it is what it is.

672 posted on 04/05/2008 12:29:48 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: AndyJackson

I thought, by law, minors couldn’t voluntarily do anything in a legal sense. Thus the legal distinction “minor.” ???


673 posted on 04/05/2008 12:30:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Beijing 2008 - Berlin 1936. Olympics staged for murdering tyrant regimes.)
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To: AndyJackson
Would you please step into this gas chamber

They made the request at gunpoint? Your fantasies grow stranger by the post.

674 posted on 04/05/2008 12:30:51 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
must be nice to be able to invent all your facts

Who invented what? "terror" is defined as

1. Intense, overpowering fear. See synonyms at fear. 2. One that instills intense fear: a rabid dog that became the terror of the neighborhood. 3. The ability to instill intense fear: the terror of jackboots pounding down the street[this is actually in the original.]

675 posted on 04/05/2008 12:31:41 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Mojave
, but felt I would be in more trouble if I did not do what they asked," said Redding in a sworn affidavit following the incident

You put it up didn't you? She was given to believe if she did not do as they said to do she would be in more trouble. So verbally they frightened this child. seems easy to see that to me.

676 posted on 04/05/2008 12:31:49 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot......OUT)
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To: TigersEye

In loco parentis. Read a book.


677 posted on 04/05/2008 12:31:57 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
Public schools or full of adult child predators, both male and female. This is well documented daily and weekly in this country. You haven't' heard?

This young lady was clearly cornered, coerced and no doubt was threatened with even more punitive, government actions.

She should have made lots of noise here, do what ever she had to do, including throwing a chair through a window to escape these nut jobs. This would have really brought in the bright lights and put this issue on the map.

678 posted on 04/05/2008 12:32:51 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: pandoraou812
She was given to believe if she did not do as they said to do she would be in more trouble.

She doesn't say anyone told her that when she was asked. You don't get to invent your own facts.

679 posted on 04/05/2008 12:34:48 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Yes it is sad & much sadder to see is that there are people who actually think that it is ok for the school to make your child strip off her clothes for an advil! Mind you this wasn’t dope but an advil. If they thought she was such a danger why weren’t the police called in?


680 posted on 04/05/2008 12:35:37 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot......OUT)
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To: dragnet2
This young lady was clearly cornered, coerced and no doubt was threatened with even more punitive, government actions.

Sources not available on request.

681 posted on 04/05/2008 12:35:51 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
You do not even know what question begging is. What question begging is not is your semantic quibbling, which is another logical fallacy of equivocation or the semantic fallacy. EQUIVOCATION . This fallacy is a product of semantic ambiguity. The arguer uses the ambiguous nature of a word or phrase to shift the meaning
682 posted on 04/05/2008 12:37:58 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
the terror of jackboots pounding down the street

Jackboots are now part of your fantasy scenario?

Freaky.

683 posted on 04/05/2008 12:38:01 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
I noted you skirted around this part and posted a government like response.

"Public schools or full of adult child predators, both male and female. This is well documented daily and weekly in this country. You haven't' heard?"

684 posted on 04/05/2008 12:38:05 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Mojave; AndyJackson
Even as a troll, you failed.

Interesting comment from somebody who bows at the altar of authoritarianism and refuses to demand that authorities respect the God-given and constitutional rights of those they abuse without any sense of decency and no just cause.

685 posted on 04/05/2008 12:38:55 PM PDT by 50mm (I love the smell of napalm in the morning....It smells like victory!)
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To: Mojave

lmao off at you....You don’t know what was said there either do you? Shaking my head & wondering if you are mojave aka rp...


686 posted on 04/05/2008 12:38:56 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot......OUT)
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To: AndyJackson
You do not even know what question begging is.

An example: When you assume force, rather that prove it.

687 posted on 04/05/2008 12:39:19 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
Sources not available on request.

Source is available. Her direct testimony and the basis for her suit in the first place.

Remember, this case has not been tried. It was dismissed in summary dispostion, on the grounds that if true, the Court could not grant relief, under the claim that her 4th ammendment rights were not violated. When/if it is reversed upon the en banc decision, it will go back to trial.

688 posted on 04/05/2008 12:40:14 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: pandoraou812
You don’t know what was said there either do you?

"I was embarrassed and scared, but felt I would be in more trouble if I did not do what they asked," said Redding in a sworn affidavit following the incident.

Quick, invent another fact.

689 posted on 04/05/2008 12:41:18 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
When you assume force, rather that prove it.

No, I assumed the facts as related in the COA statement of facts. These facts comport with a normal dictionary definition of force, ergo, she was forced. You are not engaged in an argument of logic, but merely resorting to semantic quibbling.

690 posted on 04/05/2008 12:41:33 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: 50mm
bows at the altar of authoritarianism

Too bad hysteria isn't a substitute for facts.

691 posted on 04/05/2008 12:42:18 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave

Invent what? The child was scared. Seems plain & simple enough to see.


692 posted on 04/05/2008 12:43:11 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot......OUT)
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To: dragnet2
Public schools or full of adult child predators, both male and female.

So is the Internet.

693 posted on 04/05/2008 12:43:25 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: AndyJackson
Safford Middle School has a "zero tolerance" policy that prohibits possession of all drugs, including not just alcohol and illegal intoxicants but prescription medications and over-the-counter remedies

I can't help wonder out loud, if they have such strict zero tolerance drug and alcohol policies, are those put in charge of the kids, those that teach the kids and provide safety for the kids, are they *randomly* drug tested continuously to determine if the administrators and teachers are drug and alcohol users?

I'd bet they are not.

694 posted on 04/05/2008 12:45:05 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Mojave
Quick, invent another fact.

No one has invented a fact. You have invented an argument over the quibble, is it force when an authority ASKS you to do something that is beyond the pale or DIRECTS or TELLS you to do something that is beyond the pale.

Me, I if I were on the jury I would settle for the ASK and settle on this girl $1M from the personal property of each of these petty authoritarians for even asking.

695 posted on 04/05/2008 12:45:11 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
These facts comport with a normal dictionary definition of force

You haven't shown that anyone terrorized or forced her when they "asked" for a search. Beg on though.

696 posted on 04/05/2008 12:45:24 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave

But has that to do with this story? You seem to be kicking up dust here in an effort to distract from this story.


697 posted on 04/05/2008 12:46:16 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: pandoraou812
Mojave is attempting to rest his case for child molestation on the grounds that the jackbooted thugs merely "asked" rather than "told" or "directed." We really want to know whether they said pretty please with sugar on top.

The guy is a moral scoundrel.

698 posted on 04/05/2008 12:46:58 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
No one has invented a fact.

You've done little else. Except for ad hominem remarks.

699 posted on 04/05/2008 12:47:08 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: AndyJackson
Mojave is attempting to rest his case for child molestation

No ping, no surprise. Oh, and the only child molestation in the thread comes out of your own fantasies.

700 posted on 04/05/2008 12:48:32 PM PDT by Mojave
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