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The School Crotch Inspector - Fighting the Advil menace, one strip search at a time
Reason ^ | April 2, 2008 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 04/02/2008 3:39:20 PM PDT by neverdem

There are two kinds of people in the world: the kind who think it's perfectly reasonable to strip-search a 13-year-old girl suspected of bringing ibuprofen to school, and the kind who think those people should be kept as far away from children as possible. The first group includes officials at Safford Middle School in Safford, Arizona, who in 2003 forced eighth-grader Savana Redding to prove she was not concealing Advil in her crotch or cleavage.

It also includes two judges on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, who last fall ruled that the strip search did not violate Savana's Fourth Amendment rights. The full court, which recently heard oral arguments in the case, now has an opportunity to overturn that decision and vote against a legal environment in which schoolchildren are conditioned to believe government agents have the authority to subject people to invasive, humiliating searches on the slightest pretext.

Safford Middle School has a "zero tolerance" policy that prohibits possession of all drugs, including not just alcohol and illegal intoxicants but prescription medications and over-the-counter remedies, "except those for which permission to use in school has been granted." In October 2003, acting on a tip, Vice Principal Kerry Wilson found a few 400-milligram ibuprofen pills (each equivalent to two over-the-counter tablets) and one nonprescription naproxen tablet in the pockets of a student named Marissa, who claimed Savana was her source.

Savana, an honors student with no history of disciplinary trouble or drug problems, said she didn't know anything about the pills and agreed to a search of her backpack, which turned up nothing incriminating. Wilson nevertheless instructed a female secretary to strip-search Savana under the school nurse's supervision, without even bothering to contact the girl's mother.

The secretary had Savana take off all her clothing except her underwear. Then she told her to "pull her bra out and to the side and shake it, exposing her breasts," and "pull her underwear out at the crotch and shake it, exposing her pelvic area." Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between drug warriors and child molesters.

"I was embarrassed and scared," Savana said in an affidavit, "but felt I would be in more trouble if I did not do what they asked. I held my head down so they could not see I was about to cry." She called it "the most humiliating experience I have ever had." Later, she recalled, the principal, Robert Beeman, said "he did not think the strip search was a big deal because they did not find anything."

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that a public school official's search of a student is constitutional if it is "justified at its inception" and "reasonably related in scope to the circumstances which justified the interference in the first place." This search was neither.

When Wilson ordered the search, the only evidence that Savana had violated school policy was the uncorroborated accusation from Marissa, who was in trouble herself and eager to shift the blame. Even Marissa (who had pills in her pockets, not her underwear) did not claim that Savana currently possessed any pills, let alone that she had hidden them under her clothes.

Savana, who was closely supervised after Wilson approached her, did not have an opportunity to stash contraband. As the American Civil Liberties Union puts it, "There was no reason to suspect that a thirteen-year-old honor-roll student with a clean disciplinary record had adopted drug-smuggling practices associated with international narcotrafficking, or to suppose that other middle-school students would willingly consume ibuprofen that was stored in another student's crotch."

The invasiveness of the search also has to be weighed against the evil it was aimed at preventing. "Remember," the school district's lawyer recently told ABC News by way of justification, "this was prescription-strength ibuprofen." It's a good thing the school took swift action, before anyone got unauthorized relief from menstrual cramps.

© Copyright 2008 by Creators Syndicate Inc.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: advil; arth; ashredux; authoritarianism; healthnazis; homeschoolingisgood; nannystate; publicschool; schooldiscipline; stripsearch; teens; twoequalsthree; wod; wodlist; zot
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To: TigersEye
The only thing you’re stepping in is your own feces.

Your insults are growing less coherent.

751 posted on 04/05/2008 1:15:54 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave; robertpaulsen
I think I’ve managed to shame them into pinging posters they attack, at least some of the time. It’s a step.

No you didn't shame me at all.I've read other posts of yours. Its a game with you & your buddy rp. I've seen you do this on threads. Besides I am polite. It would be a bigger step if you would answer some questions that have been asked of you...

752 posted on 04/05/2008 1:16:12 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot......OUT)
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To: 50mm
Now we get to the heart of the matter. You really believe that just because the girl still had on her bra and panties that authority figures looking at her exposed privates is okay because she wasn't completely nude.

Twisted, just twisted.

753 posted on 04/05/2008 1:16:34 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: pandoraou812
Besides I am polite.

Since when?

754 posted on 04/05/2008 1:17:18 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Trailerpark Badass
That's weak, even from you, Roscoe.

Good memory. I had forgotten all about that jerk. Which is appropriate.

755 posted on 04/05/2008 1:17:19 PM PDT by TigersEye (Beijing 2008 - Berlin 1936. Olympics staged for murdering tyrant regimes.)
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To: Mojave
How glaring. Instead of answering simple direct questions, you have, all by yourself, suggest others here are sexual deviates and child predators, and in other responses, you have clearly attempted to distract, and device.

Anyone can read back and see this.

You're a piece of work.

756 posted on 04/05/2008 1:18:06 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Er deceive.


757 posted on 04/05/2008 1:19:09 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Mojave
Redding was not physically touched

You keep repeating the facts as if we didn't read them or don't understand them. But we did. We got this point. Had there been physical contact we would not be awarding from each of the potential defendants $1M but rather that they go to jail for the rest of their lives, locked up with societies most violent offenders.

The difference is not a disagreement over the facts, but that most of us are outraged by what did happen, what actually happened, and you appear to think it is just ok. Well we don't, not based on fantasized facts, but based on the real facts as they are actually reported.

This is not an argument about what happened, but about the correct sanctions against the statist perpetrators.

758 posted on 04/05/2008 1:19:20 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: dragnet2
you have, all by yourself, suggest others here are sexual deviates and child predators

There's been some pretty strange fantasies posted here today.

759 posted on 04/05/2008 1:19:31 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave

Wouldn’t need a fence ...I wouldn’t come near you. Anyway you wouldn’t want us for neighbors. Trust me. Eyes rolling here.


760 posted on 04/05/2008 1:19:41 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot......OUT)
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To: metmom; Mojave

Never got a response to post 605.


761 posted on 04/05/2008 1:19:55 PM PDT by 50mm (I love the smell of napalm in the morning....It smells like victory!)
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To: Mojave

“but felt I would be in more trouble if I did not do what they asked”

HOW THE BLOODY HELL IS THIS NOT FORCE?


762 posted on 04/05/2008 1:20:35 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://constitutionparty.com/join.php)
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To: TigersEye; AndyJackson
You’re setting the bar awfully high there. robertpaulson is gone, only his pup remains.

Don't you mean his alternate account?

763 posted on 04/05/2008 1:20:44 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: AndyJackson
most of us are outraged by what did happen

You can't even honestly state what happened. Liberals live to be outraged.

764 posted on 04/05/2008 1:20:53 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: pandoraou812; Mojave; robertpaulsen
Yes you would & thats why my child will never be in a school where people like mojave & robertpaulsen can have any control over her.

Amen! Now that was worth pinging a has been FReeper.

765 posted on 04/05/2008 1:21:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (Beijing 2008 - Berlin 1936. Olympics staged for murdering tyrant regimes.)
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To: Mojave
Here's some more facts from the actual court decision What is the case citation of that decision so I can see the entire thing. Facts, holding, rule, dicta, all.
766 posted on 04/05/2008 1:22:14 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: Grunthor
HOW THE BLOODY HELL IS THIS NOT FORCE?

How is a personal feeling force?

(BTW, I think your caps key might be stuck.)

767 posted on 04/05/2008 1:22:25 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Darren McCarty

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/A9F35200D27AB3418825735D005314A2/$file/0515759.pdf


768 posted on 04/05/2008 1:23:10 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave; metmom; TigersEye; 50mm

Why I think I am polite most of the time. Hmmm you don’t think I am polite? Aww you’ve wounded me. NOT


769 posted on 04/05/2008 1:23:12 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot......OUT)
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To: Mojave; AndyJackson
Do you approve of the actions of these school officials? Why do you think it is ok to go searching the skivies of a teenage girl for an Advil? Is it ok to do this if she "volunteers?"

You never answered his questions either.

770 posted on 04/05/2008 1:23:24 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: pandoraou812
Are you related by chance?

Likely *they* inhabit the same body.

771 posted on 04/05/2008 1:24:35 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: pandoraou812

I can vouch for you, Pandy.


772 posted on 04/05/2008 1:24:46 PM PDT by 50mm (I love the smell of napalm in the morning....It smells like victory!)
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To: 50mm
Never got a response to post 605.

There's no question in 605. Just emoting and asserting.

773 posted on 04/05/2008 1:24:54 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave

“How is a personal feeling force?”

Easy, she is a little girl that was made to feel fear at what might happen to her if she did not give the authorities the peep show that they demanded, you have been given the dictionary definition of “force” on this thread and you continue to display your ignorance; maybe you just believe that anyone ought to be able to ogle the crotch of any little girl they want to, I’m not coming to any conclusions there, just sayin’.

“(BTW, I think your caps key might be stuck.)”

I sincerely doubt that you “think” period.


774 posted on 04/05/2008 1:25:42 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://constitutionparty.com/join.php)
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To: metmom

I don’t think either of us has ever even met you.


775 posted on 04/05/2008 1:25:52 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: metmom; Mojave

They could be twins. Attitude’s the same and so is the twisted logic.


776 posted on 04/05/2008 1:25:54 PM PDT by 50mm (I love the smell of napalm in the morning....It smells like victory!)
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To: Grunthor
Easy, she is a little girl that was made to feel

No source, natch.

777 posted on 04/05/2008 1:26:58 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: metmom
You never answered his questions either.

Bureaucrats only care about regulations and compliance.

778 posted on 04/05/2008 1:27:20 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Mojave
Who stripped her?

The school officials through coercion. Coercion searches are not consensual as the school is an authority figure using that authority.

779 posted on 04/05/2008 1:27:29 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: Mojave

Why aren’t you answering the questions?

Is it OK with you that someone would do this to you?

Is it OK with you that someone would do this to your children?

Do you think the schools should have the right to force a child to strip down to their underwear and then pull the underwear off so that their private parts are exposed for people to see?

Are you a public school principal?


780 posted on 04/05/2008 1:27:36 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Mojave

Easy, she is a little girl that was made to feel

No source, natch.


The source is the little girls’ own words, you imbecile. Why do insist that she is somehow NOT a victim here?


781 posted on 04/05/2008 1:28:18 PM PDT by Grunthor (http://constitutionparty.com/join.php)
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To: TigersEye

lmao. This thread is making my husband more against schools. He still can’t understand why simple questions can’t be answered.


782 posted on 04/05/2008 1:28:42 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot......OUT)
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To: Mojave
You've had your bell rung pretty hard here, and justifiably so.

I've spent years conducting interviews of those that are less than truthful, those that think they have perfected the art of deception.

No offense, but you're no good at it.

783 posted on 04/05/2008 1:28:59 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: 50mm
They could be twins.

It might appear so to Lilliputians.

784 posted on 04/05/2008 1:29:11 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
There's no question in 605. Just emoting and asserting.

Okay. I see I need to be more specific with you. Could you tell us whether you agree or disagree with my assessment of your position regarding nudity and exposed privates as explained in post 605?

785 posted on 04/05/2008 1:29:20 PM PDT by 50mm (I love the smell of napalm in the morning....It smells like victory!)
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To: 50mm

Thanks. I try to be polite at least most of the time.


786 posted on 04/05/2008 1:30:06 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot......OUT)
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To: dragnet2
You've had your bell rung pretty hard here

This was like a game of Whack-a-Mole.

787 posted on 04/05/2008 1:30:17 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave

Nothing. So you’re a welfare deadbeat, then? Sucking off society for food and medical care?


788 posted on 04/05/2008 1:30:29 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: pandoraou812

I went to a public school that was one of the ‘good’ systems at the time, but with everything that goes on or has gone on, I’ve become very anti-govt school.


789 posted on 04/05/2008 1:30:36 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: metmom
Don't you mean his alternate account?

No. This thing is a pale shadow. Now that rp is gone there will be no more grandiose theories of Constitutional law only the subsidiary nastiness that went along with them. Nothing but a grotesque shell resembling rp's outward appearance.

790 posted on 04/05/2008 1:31:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (Beijing 2008 - Berlin 1936. Olympics staged for murdering tyrant regimes.)
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To: metmom; Mojave
Nothing. So you’re a welfare deadbeat, then? Sucking off society for food and medical care?

I think he forgot that his alias didn't have any information.

791 posted on 04/05/2008 1:33:21 PM PDT by 50mm (I love the smell of napalm in the morning....It smells like victory!)
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To: Mojave
Clinton and his leftwing judicial appointment are your heros?

Sometimes those on the left are damn good on 4th Amendment cases. The only area where I routinely agree with Marshall and Brennan are on the 4th Amendment issues.

792 posted on 04/05/2008 1:33:29 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: Mojave

That’s not an answer to the question. Here’s a clue. An answer is related to the question.

No, I’m not a nurse. The answer is related to my screen name, which is far more information than your homepage gives, because we all know you’re NOT Ronald Reagan.


793 posted on 04/05/2008 1:34:05 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: darkangel82

So have I. Thats why my daughter will never have to be forced to disrobe because a moron in a school tells her too.


794 posted on 04/05/2008 1:34:16 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot......OUT)
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To: pandoraou812; darkangel82
So have I. Thats why my daughter will never have to be forced to disrobe because a moron in a school tells her too.

We covered that a few hundred posts back. We all agree, except RP and Mojave of course, that we would beat the living s**t out of any moron who violated our children's privacy.

795 posted on 04/05/2008 1:37:15 PM PDT by 50mm (I love the smell of napalm in the morning....It smells like victory!)
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To: Mojave; robertpaulsen; metmom
I don’t think either of us has ever even met you.

So you THINK that robertpaulsen hasn't met metmom & how do you know that? Are you thinking for RP or speaking for him? Hmmmm

796 posted on 04/05/2008 1:37:53 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot......OUT)
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To: Mojave; dragnet2
This was like a game of Whack-a-Mole

You said it man. You said it and it is on no one but yourself. LOL!

797 posted on 04/05/2008 1:37:57 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: TigersEye
Good afternoon.

I really must be losing it. I hadn't noticed that robertpaulson had vanished but then again, I had pretty much stopped noticing robertpaulson's posts any way. What brought about it's departure.

Michael Frazier

798 posted on 04/05/2008 1:38:16 PM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender, no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
That's weak, even from you, Roscoe. Oh Damn..ROFL..there's a blast from the past. Speaking of which, what happened to Kevin Curry?
799 posted on 04/05/2008 1:39:17 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: AndyJackson

More like Whack-A-Troll.....

We got rp’s first account....


800 posted on 04/05/2008 1:39:32 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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