Posted on 04/09/2008 4:41:39 PM PDT by JRochelle
SAN ANGELO, Tex. - Adult FLDS men were having sex with underage brides inside the massive limestone temple at the polygamous sect's Texas ranch, a confidential informant told authorities.
According to a request for a search warrant unsealed today by a Texas judge, Schliecher County Sheriff David Doran has been working with a confidential informant who has shared information about the ranch over several years. On Saturday, as a sweeping raid was underway at the YFZ Ranch, the informant spoke to Doran and made the allegation about the temple, the court filing said.
The affidavit was from Texas Ranger Leslie Brooks Long, who reported being at the ranch and observing a bed inside the temple with disturbed linens and a long hair, apparently from a female.
The document was filed in support of the state's request for a second warrant to search the ranch, owned by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. That warrant was signed Sunday; an earlier warrant had been signed on Thursday, the day the raid began.
Since then, authorities have removed 419 children, accompanied by 139 women.
Tom Green County District Judge Barbara Walther unsealed the documents during a hearing today.
She also ruled three members of the sect have the legal right to challenge the massive search, and said she will appoint a special master to review documents and computer hard drives seized from the sect's ranch. The special master will determine what material is privileged and protected as strictly religious.
Gerald Goldstein, who is representing sect members, estimated that hundreds of boxes of documents have been taken from the YFZ Ranch.
"We ought to be able to cull out those that are sacred," he told the judge. "If it relates to the children, they get it. If it doesn't, they don't."
Police can seize any documents related to family lineage, he acknowledged.
Allison Palmer, assistant district attorney for the 51st District, argued that sect members did not have legal standing, or should not be allowed to challenge the search. No arrests have been made, she pointed out.
But the judge disagreed, granting legal standing to three men:
- Lyle Jeffs, representing himself and the FLDS church. He is the bishop of the FLDS church's Short Creek stake on the border of Utah and Arizona and the father of two children taken from the ranch.
- Ranch overseer Merrill Jessop, who is also is a presiding elder in the sect.
- Isaac Jeffs, a brother of the sect's leader.
Goldstein said the men are no longer seeking to quash two state search warrants used so far by officials, conceding the point is moot because a federal search warrant has been issued.
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Anonymous sources telling of sex with young girls, a call to the state from a 16 year old girl yet to be located.
This is starting to sound like Waco all over again, where nothing they were accused of was ever substantiated....but way after everybody at the facility were DEAD.....
Anonymous sources telling of sex with young girls, a call to the state from a 16 year old girl yet to be located.
This is starting to sound like Waco all over again, where nothing they were accused of was ever substantiated....but way after everybody at the facility were DEAD.....
You can’t be serious.
Pregnancy is clear evidence of sex with young girls.
What other proof do you need?
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So the pregnant 15 year olds aren’t proof of anything?
Wow.
DNA tests for all. Sort out the parentage.
I have heard that there are lot of girls but hardly any boys being held in protective custody. if this is true, they need to investigate what happened to the boys. I have heard that most are kicked out at an early age so the old men can have young brides.
As a wise man once said, "The only person dumber than someone who represents himself is his client."
Something to that effect.
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You haven’t been here long, have you n00b? Try reading the article attached to the thread you are posting on.
Hope the Doc sees this, also. I have problems with this part of the story:
“working with a confidential informant who has shared information about the ranch over several years”
These crimes were ongoing over several years?
***As a wise man once said, “The only person dumber than someone who represents himself is his client.”
Something to that effect.***
Close. I believe it is ...”The person who wishes to be his own lawyer has a client for a fool”.
I agree!
I recently read “Escape” by Carolyn Jessop, who was a plural wife of Merrill Jessop, who was mentined in this story. She was “married” to him when she was a teenager and he was about 50. IIRC, she was Wife # 4. She was raised in FLDS sect, and essentially brainwashed to believe that any disobedience to her husband or to FLDS authorities was a sure ticket to hell. She eventually began to think for herself and concluded that she was trapped in a cult, and began looking for a means to escape. She finally made it out, and took her children with her. Her story is very compelling, and her ability to overcome adversity is amazing.
The affidavit was from Texas Ranger Leslie Brooks Long...
This is nothing like Waco, The Texas Rangers are the Best Law Enforcement agency in the world. There are only 134 Texas Rangers, they are the best of the best and extremely selective of who joins their ranks. They only investigate high profile cases and corruption of political offices and other law enforcement agencies. They are beyond reproach.
No wonder the Temple is SECRET.
Yeah thats it.
Only I think it is -fool for a client.
:)
Just where do you get "Waco II" from HD1200?
The State of Texas and the Texas Rangers handled this just fine.
Little girls who were being sexually abused were rescued.
If you have a problem with this, I question your sanity.
Is FLDS a separate branch from the LDS? Are they related sects or completely separate?
One example of FLDerengement Syndrome.
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Uhhh, a hair and a bed. I wonder if the night watchman got to lay down and take a rest. I wonder if there are cots and a hair at the Eldorado Baptist Church. By golly... that is where the kids slept when they were first kidnapped. Cots and a hair--lets seize all the baptist kids.
Why doesn't the sl tribune editorialize in favor of removing all catholic children from their homes based upon the horrendous amount of queering of children by the catholic priests. and don't tell me the mothers did not know what was going on. They just wanted their kids to kiss jesus...right??? Get it???
After all -- what the catholic priests have done sexually to the catholic children is a dark and ugly thing. In fact, their molestation is a black thing. Yes, that baby is black.
The monopoly media in the usa is a disgrace. amazing how the slc newspapers are able to conspire together to set plrices, fix distribution and stifle competition.
down with fake media scum like the sl tribune.
“Anonymous sources telling of sex with young girls, a call to the state from a 16 year old girl yet to be located.”
A lot of you Mitt Romney supporters seem very upset that this cult is being harassed, I guess that is just one of those odd coincidences in life maybe, but there may be a pattern, I’ll keep looking.
There are a LOT of unfamiliar screen names popping up and defending this cult. Some look like sleepers.
It appears the ox of SOMEONE IMPORTANT is being gored, is it not?
Man, the answer to that question has led to many a flame war.
Short answer is that the FLDS views itself as the “true” LDS church, primarily due to an FLDS view that the abandonment of polygamy directly violated the tenets of the church, and that Joseph Smith’s endorsement of polygamy was divinely inspired and intended to remain in perpetuity.
They are two churches with the FLDS formed by members of the LDS that either left the church or were excommunicated.
Usually a discussion of the history gets pretty ugly though.
They are not a seperate branch of the LDS. They have nothing whatsoever to do with the LDS church. They’re a bunch of perverts who pretend to be related, nothing more.
Nope. It goes:
“Those who wish to represent themselves have a fool for a client and an ass for counsel.”
And if the next report is that these guys are beasts that have horns, you will probably believe that too. A hair on a bed... and that is supposed to prove what was happening? Give me a break!
“The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS Church) is one of the largest Mormon fundamentalist denominations[1][2] and one of America’s largest practitioners of plural marriage.[3] The FLDS Church emerged in the 1930s as an offshoot of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church); “
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter_Day_Saints
Why then would there be a bed in the temple? For napping?
The FLDS broke away from the Latter Day saints in 1890 and formed their own weird sect. The site below will answer many of your questions about Mormonism.
FLDS are not LDS!
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/
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***FLDS are not LDS!***
I’ll bet there is a Book of Mormon in evry home.
Wow! Was that a drive by?
“They are not a seperate branch of the LDS. They have nothing whatsoever to do with the LDS church. They’re a bunch of perverts who pretend to be related, nothing more.”
Great answer!
There, fixed it.
“There are a LOT of unfamiliar screen names popping up and defending this cult. Some look like sleepers.
It appears the ox of SOMEONE IMPORTANT is being gored, is it not? “
These threads and the cults defenders give us a deeper look into the Latter Day Saints, most of the pro-cult names are Mormon and Romney supporters.
I would not have predicted that a news story like this would turn into the child molesting cult and it’s practices being defended, but as you have seen on other threads, that is the direction they go in.
If this thread goes long enough, the effort will be made to drag God into this on the cults side.
>>>...where nothing they were accused of was ever substantiated..
Oh please. There are dozens of pregnant 12 year old girls in & around San Angelo in safe houses that were removed from that hell hole.
>>”I’ll bet there is a Book of Mormon in evry home.”<<
I’ll bet you’re right and they keep it right next to their Bible!
>>”I’ll bet there is a Book of Mormon in evry home.”<<
***I’ll bet you’re right and they keep it right next to their Bible!****
When I hit the post button I suddenly had a feeling that would be the comeback line.
The forerunners of the FLDS broke away from the mainstream LDS church around 1890, when the mainstream church publicly disavowed polygamy. Since then, polygamous Mormons have splintered into a large number of individual sects. The leaders of these sects all claim that they are the rightful successors of Joseph Smith, and that their sects are the one true Mormon church. The FLDS church is one of bigger splinter sects.
You have got to be kidding. Those young teenage girls are pregnant.
You have a gift for understatement!
One thing really bothers me about this. If this had been going on for several years, I think of all the abused children over all those years. Why in the world were these crimes not acted upon several years ago, when it first came to light, to prevent all these additional children from being violated and abused? I understand the need to make your case, but several years? While the authorites waiting to make their case, more and more children were being abused.
“Why then would there be a bed in the temple? For napping?”
Would have helped a guy I watch fall asleep in church one day. As he dozed off his head fell forward and whacked the back of the pew in front of him hard enough to leave an egg on his forehead.
Well...at least he didn’t fall out of the window.
These men are pigs.
That is the root of the problem. They are following Joseph Smith. Every blasted one of them.
Not God.
Not Jesus.
Joseph Smith.
And when you follow man, you are doomed to fail.
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