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‘This Is How We Lost to the White Man’
Atlantic Monthly ^ | May 2008 | Ta-Nehisi Coates

Posted on 04/10/2008 11:48:52 AM PDT by george76

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1 posted on 04/10/2008 11:48:52 AM PDT by george76
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Bill Cosby is a role model for Black kids. Unfortunately, most of the kids I know don’t even know who he is.


2 posted on 04/10/2008 11:51:38 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly (Proud member of the largest 'Hate Group' in the USA...The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy")
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To: george76

And while you’re pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, pull your pants up, too, would you? You look ridiculous.


3 posted on 04/10/2008 11:56:30 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (0'bambi: the audacity of hype)
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To: george76

Amazing. Anyone care to guess why he’s still a lefty Democrat?


5 posted on 04/10/2008 12:02:04 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (Stop calling them "liberals," they're Bolsheviks!)
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To: Hoffer Rand

The “bootstraps” metaphor doesn’t fit the group to which Cosby is talking.

They have so many built in, government enforced advantages, that all they have to do is actually WANT to try, and they’ll be two legs up on the next person.


6 posted on 04/10/2008 12:02:53 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly; jazusamo

Sad.

They likely do not know who Booker T. Washington is either ?


7 posted on 04/10/2008 12:04:32 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

We will never get rid of racism but we can negate some of its effects by eliminating the financial reward of race. People like Cosby are accomplished and successful as well as millions of all races by their own means. But, shysters like Jackson, Sharpton, etc, profit from stiring the racial pot and that needs to stop.


8 posted on 04/10/2008 12:04:50 PM PDT by caisson71 (Times change, values don't.)
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To: george76
without having to wait on the consciences and attention spans of policy makers who might not have their interests at heart.

Policy makers that are overwhelmingly liberal, BTW. Which party has failed Black America?

9 posted on 04/10/2008 12:05:17 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: lesser_satan; SunkenCiv; metmom

Thanks


10 posted on 04/10/2008 12:05:52 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: MrB

““No longer is a person embarrassed because they’re pregnant without a husband,” he told the crowd.”

Have I missed something here? “A Person” does not get pregnant. A GIRL gets pregnant. Therefore, no need for the irrational third person plural pronoun plus contraction “they’re” —

“NO LONGER IS A GIRL EMBARASSED BECAUSE SHE’S PREGNANT WITHOUT A HUSBAND” is perfectly good standard English — and anatomy.


11 posted on 04/10/2008 12:06:53 PM PDT by Appleby
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To: george76
Cosby was an avowed race man, who, like much of his generation, had come to feel that black America had lost its way. The crisis of absentee fathers, the rise of black-on-black crime, and the spread of hip-hop all led Cosby to believe that, after the achievements of the 1960s, the black community was committing cultural suicide.

And Bill Cosby would be right.

12 posted on 04/10/2008 12:07:58 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

The Democrat Party has successfully caged black America and now harvests guaranteed votes from the imprisoned urban population that believes only the Dems can prevent the lynchings from starting again. That the Republicans have been criminally incompetent in wooing and helping black Americans is part of the story. That black America has fully embraced a culture of sickening violence, mysogeny, child illegitimacy, drugs, and a permanent foul-tempered demanding that Whitey give them whatever they want is the third part.


13 posted on 04/10/2008 12:10:57 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Appleby

Heck, A GIRL’s welfare check gets bigger if SHE’S pregnant without a husband, these days.

Libs are either EVIL, knowing this will be incentivized,

or STUPID, not knowing that this will be incentivized.


14 posted on 04/10/2008 12:12:28 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

And why he had his OWN out of wedlock kid a few years ago.
Let me tell you a little anecdote from a few years ago.One of the little homies,in a candid outburst of anger,ran it all down for me regarding this “anti-woman” theme of so many rappers and black males in general.And I must censor some of the words.
“You wanna know why them rappers be hating on these women and calling them b——and s-—?Cuz they be seeing they mamas bringing home a new n—— to the house every m————— month,thats why.You think a n—— want to see his g——— mama laid up with some mf who then go around and beat HIS a— and his moms don’t do s-—?.
I think about that young “brother”every time I hear one of those gangsta rappers.


15 posted on 04/10/2008 12:16:25 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: Appleby

Mother and Father are illegal words. California has outlated them.

I bet the AP style guide forbids them too.


16 posted on 04/10/2008 12:18:45 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: lesser_satan

Hmm...since many Blacks want to assume the clothing styles of Africa and name themselves African names, perhaps we should all jump on board.

Tomorrow I’ll be coming to work dressed as the St. Pauli Girl and calling myself Heidi.


17 posted on 04/10/2008 12:19:04 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: MrB

Getting a job and taking responsibility for themselves would actually make their situation worse.

In some ghetto and hiphop circles, it has come to be foolish for someone to work and try to better themselves......as if they are uncool for working a job or staying home with a family.


18 posted on 04/10/2008 12:24:43 PM PDT by envisio (If you ain't laughin yet... you ain't seen me naked. 8^O)
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To: Appleby
Context, context, context.

No longer is a person embarrassed because they’re pregnant without a husband,” he told the crowd. “No longer is a boy considered an embarrassment if he tries to run away from being the father of the unmarried child.”

Looks to me that he handled both sexes very well.

Nits you're picking at nits!

19 posted on 04/10/2008 12:27:23 PM PDT by BoneHead (We now return control of your computer to you........)
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To: envisio

It IS foolish to work for some people.

If you can get “free” money for being “unemployed”, and you’d get less money working,

you’d be foolish to work.

This is an incentive that the left set up. Some support it with good intentions, others support it knowing what it actually does.


20 posted on 04/10/2008 12:28:45 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Right Cal Gal
Tomorrow I’ll be coming to work dressed as the St. Pauli Girl and calling myself Heidi.

Don't forget the beer... and a camera! LOL!!!
21 posted on 04/10/2008 12:29:38 PM PDT by rock_lobsta (Not Your Ordinary Crustacean.)
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To: Right Cal Gal

I will have to wear a Viking hat with horns (Sweden), a kilt (Scotland), and carry a Burberry bag (England). Plus, I’m changing my name to Cecily Fiona Carlsson.

Keeping it real, European-American style.


22 posted on 04/10/2008 12:31:45 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: Rummyfan
These Cosby rants are extraordinary -- and extraordinarily entertaining, too (because he hits the nail right on the head in a way that very few people can).

These are the words of someone who feels utterly betrayed by "his people" because he himself marched in the civil rights era and had rocks thrown at him for daring to think that black kids had a right to be educated, too . . . only to look around him and see a black culture in which education, literacy, and standards of decency are actually MOCKED.

Sportswriter Jason Whitlock (a black man himself) described black culture today as "counter-evolutionary."

23 posted on 04/10/2008 12:32:03 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: george76
"“My problem,” Cosby told the audience, “is I’m tired of losing to white people."

You are NOT losing to white people Mr. Cosby, you are losing to the illegals that have invaded your cities and have stolen your JOBS!

24 posted on 04/10/2008 12:33:15 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (Stop calling them "liberals," they're Bolsheviks!)
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To: Right Cal Gal
This month, I'll be paying homage to my Danish ancestors.

Next month, maybe I'll do the Irish, Scots or Welsh....:)>

Hildamander

25 posted on 04/10/2008 12:38:31 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: Hoffer Rand

The sad thing is many whites (indeed the pop-culture) is infatuted with doing that. It’s almost like they have an affinity for failure!


26 posted on 04/10/2008 12:38:55 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Tis only a “protest” vote if your political worldview is Republican 1st, conservative 2nd. -pissan)
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To: BoneHead

Au contraire. The pregnant girl is referred to not by feminine words such as “a girl”, “the mother” or “she”, but “a person” of indeterminate gender referred to in the third person plural. The boy, (who is not the father of the UNMARRIED CHILD, by the way, but the UNMARRIED FATHER of the child), is referred to by three (count them) masculine nouns and pronouns: “boy”, “father” and “he”. It just strikes me as weird that Cosby would take such pains to identify the male as masculine and obscure the female’s femininity.


27 posted on 04/10/2008 12:39:03 PM PDT by Appleby
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To: george76
‘This Is How We Lost to the White Man’

They didn't lose to the White Man. They lost to themselves by abandoning values, etc. and opting for the free money, free food stamps, dissing education, dissing honor and so on.

They have no one to blame but themselves. Just because someone, i.e. government, says to do something, one does not have to go and do it.

28 posted on 04/10/2008 12:46:49 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: Cecily

If you work in San Francisco, alas, no one will notice...


29 posted on 04/10/2008 12:47:15 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: Salamander

Wow, where can I find me one of them?


30 posted on 04/10/2008 12:50:42 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Parmy

“dissing education, dissing honor”

and not respecting the value of speaking proper English as well... :)


31 posted on 04/10/2008 12:52:11 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

Dittoes to the stolen jobs remark.

I learned a long time ago that a great society must have a secondary working class to do the menial jobs.

America used to import these workers from Africa. Now we get them from Mexico.

This was a long, long article. And I read every word. One thing I found missing:

And that is at the present rate of black abortion, black on black murder, the ever increasing black male population in our prisons, the black drop-out rates, the collapse of the black family, etc. etc. and on and on..... There will soon be no blacks in America.

Their culture, their influence... all gone. Replaced - for better or worse - by Hispanics.

Blacks in America are imploding.


32 posted on 04/10/2008 12:55:23 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Typical White Person)
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To: JSDude1

No kidding. Son of the couple next door is a good example. Pants hanging way off his behind, underwear in FULL view. In his mid to late 20s. Can’t keep a job. Didn’t finish college. Still lives at home. His current goal in life is he’s fixing up a car for some “pimp my ride” contest, where the focus is on the sound system. His plan is to have the sound system set to instantly blow every window out of the car the second he turns the stereo on in front of the judges.

Let’s see-dump $5K into a car, specifically to blow all the windows out of it in the hopes you win enough prize money to replace all the windows.


33 posted on 04/10/2008 12:58:17 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (0'bambi: the audacity of hype)
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To: george76

Yawn.


34 posted on 04/10/2008 12:58:55 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: MrB

Exactly.... if they got a job....no more handouts.

These people have as much or more than I do and they don’t have to do a thing for it. I work all day and stop at the store for a can of beans and have to wait in line behind some bohemouth that just rolled out of bed with a whole buggy full of food......whipping out the gummit food card.

I feel like going to her house and asking what’s for supper. After all, I paid for it!


35 posted on 04/10/2008 1:01:24 PM PDT by envisio (If you ain't laughin yet... you ain't seen me naked. 8^O)
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"Those people are not Africans. They don’t know a damned thing about Africa— with names like Shaniqua, Shaligua, Mohammed, and all that crap, and all of them are in jail.”

I'm glad there is a Bill Cosby. Every time he opens his mouth he says something that would end a white person's career if he'd said it.

36 posted on 04/10/2008 1:06:21 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: oprahstheantichrist
Amazing. Anyone care to guess why he’s still a lefty Democrat?

Could it be that, in order to reach a certain group, that you have to be like them, act like them, or sympathize with them?

If Cosby were to declare himself a republican or conservative, most blacks would automatically dismiss him as the "enemy" or "one of them" or "an uncle Tom". No doubt many of the already dismiss Cosby as an "uncle Tom", but to officially become or declare yourself "one of them" would cause a great number of blacks to tune him out. But, the liberals would have a field day with a republican Cosby, who they would accuse as being out of touch with the real black experience. Blacks are not allowed to be republican. Period. Labels are sometimes counter-productive.
37 posted on 04/10/2008 1:09:36 PM PDT by adorno
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To: Cecily
Cecily Fiona Carlsson

CFC? That's been banned.

38 posted on 04/10/2008 1:10:20 PM PDT by pbear8 (Typical White Person)
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To: Right Cal Gal

Where do you work? :)


39 posted on 04/10/2008 1:13:09 PM PDT by Doohickey ("We cannot insure victory, but we can deserve it" - John Adams)
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To: george76

One of my personal heroes.

40 posted on 04/10/2008 1:15:51 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Right Cal Gal
Tomorrow I’ll be coming to work dressed as the St. Pauli Girl and calling myself Heidi.

PX PLZ

41 posted on 04/10/2008 1:17:03 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Appleby

Cosby was an actor. Not a writer.


42 posted on 04/10/2008 1:17:45 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: denydenydeny

Bo Snerdly,

official Obama criticizer for the EIB,
and certified black enough to criticize Obama.


43 posted on 04/10/2008 1:17:55 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Cecily

REPRESENTIN’ DEUTSCHLAND


44 posted on 04/10/2008 1:17:58 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

““My problem,” Cosby told the audience, “is I’m tired of losing to white people.”

You are NOT losing to white people Mr. Cosby, you are losing to the illegals that have invaded your cities and have stolen your JOBS!
___________________________________________________________

.....like they were ever going to work at those jobs to begin with.

But seriesly, I think he is saying that he is not tired of whites literally winning...he knows that society has preconceived notions about blacks and he is tired of the hiphop welfare culture proving those notions to be justifiable.


45 posted on 04/10/2008 1:18:40 PM PDT by envisio (If you ain't laughin yet... you ain't seen me naked. 8^O)
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To: pbear8

Okay, make it Cecily Catriona Carlsson.

A shout out to all my homies in the Motherlands across the Big Pond. Cheers/Slainte /Skol from Triple C, European-American.


46 posted on 04/10/2008 1:33:07 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: PLMerite

One of what?


47 posted on 04/10/2008 1:35:50 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: Right Cal Gal

Great idea, tommorow I will come to work drunk and put an O’ in front of my last name! It’s really a shame I hate potatos.....


48 posted on 04/10/2008 1:48:11 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? ((Ok, Im the official Pit Bull Defender/If you can't stand behind our troops, stand in front of them.)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

Because he believes, as a basic truth, that American [read ‘white’] society is endemically and historically racist, and that that ‘truth’ applies particularly to conservative whites and Republicans.


49 posted on 04/10/2008 1:48:50 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PLMerite

Die with a sword in your hand. She’ll find you.


50 posted on 04/10/2008 1:51:48 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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