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Gun Held To Baby's Head During Wal-Mart Rape, Report Says [FL]
local6 ^ | April 11, 2008

Posted on 04/11/2008 9:07:46 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A 24-year-old man held a gun to the head of a 15-month-old girl while he raped her mother for 25 minutes in a Wal-Mart parking lot, according to an arrest report.

David Welker is accused of raping a woman in broad daylight at a Wal-Mart parking lot located on John Young Parkway after forcing her into her car at gunpoint.

The gun was placed against the child as Welker raped the woman twice, Thursday's arrest report said.

The document also said "he ordered her to dump out her purse. He then took her cellular phone, her debit card" and $70 in cash.

Tip Led To Arrest

Crimeline tips led detectives to Welker after photos apparently showing him at an ATM were released to the public earlier in the week.

"This is huge," Orange County sheriff's Sgt. Rich Mankewich said. "Obviously, he caused fear in a lot of people over the last day and a half. We needed him off the streets."

Detectives said they have a solid case against Welker. Investigators said they found a gun and a sport utility vehicle believed to have been used in the crime.

"We have (also) recovered the jacket he was wearing when the picture was shown and he was trying to hide his face," Mankewich said.

Attack Caught On Video

Deputies said Welker was sitting around the Wal-Mart looking for a target before the attack.

"We have him on video up to a half-hour before this crime occurred just sitting in front of the store looking around, checking out his surroundings, then he chose his victim that he wanted," Mankewich said.

Welker robbed the woman, locked her in the trunk of her vehicle and drove off in a sport utility vehicle, deputies said. The woman escaped from the trunk, drove home and called 911, deputies said.

"She had a baby with her, so it made for a perfect target. She's not going to resist with a 1-year-old baby in her arms," Mankewich said. "She did the right thing. She survived the encounter, and she's able to talk to us and give us a description of this guy."

The child was not harmed.

"That just totally scares me to death," shopper Cindy Isbell said. "It's terrifying. I don't know what I would do."

Arrested 27 Times

Meanwhile, Local 6 has learned that Welker has been arrested 27 times before being taken into custody in connection with the Wal-Mart attack.

When he was 18-years-old, he was arrested twice on theft charges.

Other charges include battery on an elderly or disabled person and grand theft auto. But this is Welker's first sex crime arrest, Local 6 reported.

"This guy has been through the system so many times, he knows not to talk to the police about anything," Orange County sheriff's Sgt. Rich Mankewich said


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To: reagan_fanatic

Tie him to the barn door, whip him till raw, salt water washdown, then shoot one knee at a time


51 posted on 04/11/2008 9:44:47 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Bill Clinton: HILLARY!'s other big ass)
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To: stainlessbanner
Other charges include battery on an elderly or disabled person and grand theft auto. But this is Welker's first sex crime arrest, Local 6 reported.

Well, if it's his first time, that makes a big difference.

52 posted on 04/11/2008 9:45:17 AM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: EggsAckley
Now the 24 year-old rapist has been arrested for the 28th time in his 24 years.

Considering that his juvenile record was probably expunged when he turned 18, this probably means that he was arrested 28 times in just the last 6 years, or about once every 2 or 3 months. Taking into account that only a small percentage of crimes result in arrest, I'll bet that this guy was a big contributor to the local area's crime statistics

53 posted on 04/11/2008 9:45:25 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: stainlessbanner

Clearly punishable by death, in my book.


54 posted on 04/11/2008 9:45:34 AM PDT by ryan71
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To: Resolute Conservative

“Where are the men of this country? I look in every car I walk by.”

I do the same with apartment windows. :-)


55 posted on 04/11/2008 9:48:29 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
She got lucky that he didn't drive away in her car and murder her and her child.

Yep. The detectives keep saying she did all the right things to survive. But, she was locked in the trunk. I'm glad we're not reading about the police dragging a lake searching for a car with two bodies.

56 posted on 04/11/2008 9:48:47 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: stainlessbanner
"This guy has been through the system so many times, he knows not to talk to the police about anything," Orange County sheriff's Sgt. Rich Mankewich said

Forget the trial. There's enough evidence from all his crimes to warrant his death. Execute him IMMEDIATELY!!

57 posted on 04/11/2008 9:58:27 AM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: Resolute Conservative

Exactly I conceal carry EVERYWHERE bar none day,night works,better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. That being said in Texas you see someone raping someone else walk up draw, fire,no need to warn the perp at all, it’s perfectly legal here. We have a 3rd party clause in 2 of our deadly force laws. Simply put to protect someone with or without there permission deadly force is authorized for ,rape, robbery, arson, and danger of imminent bodily harm. Oh yea and deadly force is authorized to stop a fleeing felon if you believe they would pose a future risk to society if they were allowed to escape i believe this guy is a grave danger to society so even running away he gets a double tap to center of mass followed by one to the CNS at close range. Texas and Florida have receprocity for CHL’s so there laws must be similar. I carry everytime I visit the sunshine state, my Glock goes in saltwater just fine a little fresh water rinse, some CLP and its good to go.


58 posted on 04/11/2008 10:02:47 AM PDT by JDinAustin (Austinite in the Big D)
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To: reagan_fanatic

This is a job for Paul Kersey (Charles Bronson) of “Death Wish”.


59 posted on 04/11/2008 10:06:28 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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To: ridesthemiles
"She says- even if there is PROOF, she won’t believe it."
Oh worse, she says that even if he DID do it, she still considers him a "good guy." It's not just wilfull ingnorance, she downright condones it! She's proven she'll pick the worst mate possible and guarantee that the next generation is burdened with a monster born and raised in a far worse manner than this "good guy." She should be sterilized along with her "good friend" so that the dangerous breeding of criminals stops with this generation.

You watch though, this POS will get 20 months (sentenced for 5 years, serves only 35% of the time - sadly this is a DoJ statistic, not an exaggeration) and be back out again. Next time the victim won't live to talk about it, so we can only hope his next target is an armed heroine of society. Luckily, he's currently in the right state for that to potentially be the case.
60 posted on 04/11/2008 10:07:56 AM PDT by messierhunter
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To: stainlessbanner
A 24-year-old man held a gun ....

This may be his first crime with a firearm. While liberals believe in giving those from "disadvantaged backgrounds" one more chance ... or two more ... or twenty-seven more ... I'll pray that they see this as a gun crime. Maybe he'll get longer than his average prison time for this one.

Math teacher comment: This is at least his 28th (adult?) arrest, more if the press ignored "youthful indiscressions" as a juvenile. At age 24, he has had less than seven years to commit enough adult crimes to be caught 28 times, and come out of the "Justice System" on the other side in time for another arrest. In other words, he's got a cycle time under three months to go through the system - including his average stay in prison. Even if the arrests go back to his birth, he's averaged one arrest every 10 months since he was in diapers. I just wish I could feel confident that he'll do more than 10 months for armed robbery, rape, and (most serious to a Democrat) using a firearm in the commission of a crime.

61 posted on 04/11/2008 10:08:46 AM PDT by RogerD (NOT impressed with Florida's penal system - I prefer Glock's or Colt's solution)
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To: pgkdan

I thought FL was supposed to be tough on crime. I guess not. With all these horrible stories I’ve been reading from Orlando lately, I think I’d be afraid to go there again.


62 posted on 04/11/2008 10:09:14 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: Joe 6-pack

Excellent pic - and excellent idea!


63 posted on 04/11/2008 10:11:15 AM PDT by karnage
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To: Tired of Taxes
"The detectives keep saying she did all the right things to survive. But, she was locked in the trunk."

Almost all the right things. She should have been carrying and shot the bastard before he could force her in the car. I lived in Orlando for a few years, and although it's not Detroit, it's also not a good part of town. They say to NEVER let an attacker get you into a car. Once that happens, you're going to die more often than not. She's the lucky exception to the rule.
64 posted on 04/11/2008 10:12:02 AM PDT by messierhunter
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To: RogerD

I’m surprised someone hasn’t busted out that he made a “mistake”. That seems to be the new excuse for bad behavior.

I remember someone saying that Mike Vick shouldn’t go to prison for a “mistake”. I asked “Do you mean he accidentally raised and fought pit bulls?”


65 posted on 04/11/2008 10:12:33 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Graybeard58

“We have him on video up to a half-hour before this crime occurred just sitting in front of the store looking around, checking out his surroundings, then he chose his victim that he wanted,” Mankewich said.

Seems like in this case they were on and that’s how they caught him ....


66 posted on 04/11/2008 10:13:59 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: SkyDancer
Two years ago Easter, someone stole one of my cheques and cloned the routing number and labeled them “Payroll Checks”. They cashed >$9000 of them at Wal Marts from here up through Arkansas into Missouri and the last one was cashed in Kansas. At every Wal Mart where the bogus cheques were cashed the security cameras were not working....not one out of over ten Wal Marts....I wouldn't bet on the security camera being of any help from a Wal Mart.
67 posted on 04/11/2008 10:29:27 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: JDinAustin

Amen fellow carrier.


68 posted on 04/11/2008 10:30:31 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: ridesthemiles
+1

Aye

/jasper

69 posted on 04/11/2008 10:31:58 AM PDT by Jasper (Stand Fast, Craigellachie!!)
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To: SkyDancer

Yes, that’s proof that he did it, after the fact.

They evidently didn’t see it while it was happening or they would have called the police.

I can smell a law suit in the making though. It will be that Wal-Mart should have had someone monitoring those cameras.


70 posted on 04/11/2008 10:38:35 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: stainlessbanner

Arrested 27 times?
I wanted to put a hole in my desk when I read that. I have a 15 month old baby and my wife takes her to Walmart. This could happen to her. This guy needs to die!


71 posted on 04/11/2008 10:39:01 AM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: traumer
"Castrate - then hang...."

Not a good idea .... we need a place to tighten the knot.

72 posted on 04/11/2008 10:39:41 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: ridesthemiles

Welkers roommate is sticking by her friend. “I think the charges are ridiculous,” said Brandi Phillips. “Even if he did do it and had some proof I just know I’ve known him for four years and he’s been a good guy.””

I continue to be amazed by girlfriends/wives/mothers who refuse to accept the obvious, no matter how damning the evidence.

When the Phoenix serial “Baseline Rapist” was finally arrested, his wife said “He isn’t CAPABLE of these crimes. He’s a good husband!” The Baseline Rapist had already done hard time for previous sex crimes—and his wife knew he had a record!! But according to her, he wasn’t capable of the new string of rapes. LOL, unbelievable....


73 posted on 04/11/2008 10:40:43 AM PDT by RooRoobird20 (Thankkfully Converted Catholic)
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To: traumer
Biker #2: I say we kill him!
Biker Gang: [shouts] Yeah!
Biker #3: I say we hang him, then we kill him!
Biker Gang: [shouts] Yeah!
Biker #4: I say we scalp him!
Biker Gang: [shouts] Yeah!
Biker #4: Then we tattoo him!
Biker Gang: [shouts] Yeah!
Biker #4: Then we hang him!
Biker Gang: [shouts] Yeah!
Biker #4: And then we kill him!
Biker Gang: [shouts] Yeah!
Pee-wee: [trying to throw voice without moving lips] I say we let him go.
Biker Gang: [shouts] No!
Biker Mama: [whistles] I say you let me have him first
Biker Gang: Yeah!

74 posted on 04/11/2008 10:41:21 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: envisio

“he will attack the wrong woman who happens to have a .38 in her bag.”

Then she’ll be sentenced to 11 years.


75 posted on 04/11/2008 10:44:31 AM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: Resolute Conservative

I think the men are there. I just think the laws are on the side of the perps too many times.

First of all a man has no right to rape anyone.
Second of all to choose a mother carrying her baby well, he is low life pond scum and would have to climb a ladder to kiss the bell of a snake.

That said...yes, the men in this country need to unite and once again take control of their lives and their families. This puke doesn’t deserve anything but the worst possible fate the court could dish out to him but oh wait...I forgot he’s alreay had 27 arrests. That’s all.

the country has gone nuts and we need to take it back!!!


76 posted on 04/11/2008 10:48:43 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: MPJackal

I should feel terrible I know but... I agree with you. There is no punishment good enough for this guy. Instead we will have a long drawn out trial and the family will have to be exposed to this piece of excrement the whole time and...he’ll WALK AGAIN!!!


77 posted on 04/11/2008 10:50:14 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: stainlessbanner
"She had a baby with her, so it made for a perfect target. She's not going to resist with a 1-year-old baby in her arms," Mankewich said. "She did the right thing. She survived the encounter, and she's able to talk to us and give us a description of this guy."

This guy should be fired and ridden out of town on a rail.

78 posted on 04/11/2008 10:51:07 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Party ahead of principles; eventually you'll be selling out anything to anyone for the right price.)
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To: Graybeard58
There was a story a few weeks ago where this woman left her baby in the car - said she parked it where the security camera was pointed at her car - explained to cops that the security people in Wal-Mart would watch her kid - turns out they did and called the cops ....
79 posted on 04/11/2008 10:51:38 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: SkyDancer

If they had him on video for half and hour before the attack why in hell didn’t they continue watching him and anyone else approaching his area?????? If they had the video on him for half an hour before the attack didn’t they THINK he might have had some evil reason going on???? I can’t figure this one out. This woman could have been spared.


80 posted on 04/11/2008 10:51:51 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: stainlessbanner

Knowing the FL legal system, this piece of human garbage will be back on the street in a year or so.

After all, they don’t want to make him “feel bad” by keeping him locked up for the rest of his life . . . . or simply depriving him of it.


81 posted on 04/11/2008 10:53:59 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: demshateGod

Its’disgusting isn’t it? Women can’t even go and do the shopping they need and have an outing at the same time with their baby without scum like this polluting our air and taking advantage of a woman who would protect her baby first and foremost. I wish too she had had a gun and blew him away. At least he wouldn’t have ever bothered HER again NOR anyone else. If you have a gun and it is registerd and you are carrying it legally then it should be taken with you everywhere you go. I so wish this woman would have been carrying legally.


82 posted on 04/11/2008 10:56:09 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: DarthVader

Didn’t yu love those movies? He did what no one else would.


83 posted on 04/11/2008 10:59:07 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: stainlessbanner

I hope this guy doesn’t get so distraught over what he has done that he hangs himself in jail.


84 posted on 04/11/2008 11:00:00 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: SkyDancer

You know, every time I leave a Wal-Mart or Target it seems I notice one of these hang-out fruitcakes just standing around doing nothing, holding nothing and swiveling their ugly heads around trying to scope out God knows what. You know they are scoping out a victim to rob or stalk.

You would think these stores would have a security guard out front to run these creeps off, or at least get an i.d. and a “what are you up to” from these louses.

When I see them, I look them in the eye and give them my Aunt Esther evil eye in return, while turning around to watch their every move before they get nervous and walk off. It wouldn’t hurt for everyone to do that if and when you see one.


85 posted on 04/11/2008 11:00:35 AM PDT by billygoatgruff
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To: Centurion2000

Don’t cha know that it’s morally superior for a woman to be raped and strangled than for her to defend herself with a firearm?


86 posted on 04/11/2008 11:02:47 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: SkyDancer

I worked in W-M security for about 6 months, shortly after I retired. In those 6 months, I could write a book on the crap that I saw going on.

My favorite though, is the two 13 year old girls I caught stealing Early Home Pregnancy testing kits. They begged me not to call their parents. hahahahaha.


87 posted on 04/11/2008 11:05:48 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: cubreporter

I love those movies. I love the line from part 2 when he says to one of the rapists who killed his daughter.

Kersey: “Do you believe in Jesus?”

Rapist:”Yes I do”

Kersey:”Well, you’re about to meet him.”

Kersey shoots the thug four times in the chest with .45 cal semi-automatic.


88 posted on 04/11/2008 11:06:44 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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To: LibWhacker

>>A better way to put it, perhaps, would be that “Democrats let this predator go 27 times.” They might as well raped the woman themselves.<<

I’d like to see legislation put forward that introduced punishment for anyone that participates in the release of a criminal that commits another crime.

If he was released at a judge’s discretion, that judge should be punished as if HE committed the crime.


89 posted on 04/11/2008 11:06:53 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: cubreporter; vetvetdoug

I’m guessing that nobody was watching the video feed during this time. After the attack, they reviewed the video and spotted him.


90 posted on 04/11/2008 11:13:11 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: billygoatgruff
You would think these stores would have a security guard out front to run these creeps off

Walmart can't even police (as in collect, contain, and put away) their shopping carts...think they can manage something with any semblance of a nervous system?

I don't go to Walmart unarmed anymore at all, specifically because of the people you mentioned in the first paragraph...and also a near incident I experienced myself while unarmed a few weeks ago.

91 posted on 04/11/2008 11:14:33 AM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: stainlessbanner

Death on the first offense for all violent felons. Death for all three-time felons. At least 10% of our prison inmates deserve to be killed.


92 posted on 04/11/2008 11:22:03 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: NRA1995

I’ve seen a lot of posts regarding this story and it’s amazing how many clever ways people come up with to punish this piece of spoiled humanity.

However, can we blame anyone for thinking along these lines? To me, there is no punishment good enough for this puke. Tim and time again we sit by or watch the news or hear on the radio or read in the paper or Free Republic etc...how someone was taken advantage of and either attacked sexually or a child molested (think about that folks...really think about that...a little innocent child who knows nothing of the world and then is sexually molested) and we have long drawn out trials where the perp doesn’t give a damn becuase he is a loser to start with and evil from the core or he wouldn’t have done such a horrible act in the first place. I don’t say he is mentally ill...I say he is EVIL plain and simple. Purely mean down to his last bone. Nothing but mean and evil wrapped into one person.

The people ARE getting sick and tired up to their ears of hearing about these God awful happenings and no one doing anything about them. Why was this man out of jail? With 27 arrests he should be sitting in a dark, dank jail cell . He doesn’t deserve any consideration.

Think of the horror of this mother trying to protect her child and then having to endure what this scum did to her. I can’t imagine what she felt. For him to do this knowing this mother would protect her child and do what he wanted makes the crime worse. He not only overpowered a woman who was not as physically strong as he but...he threatened her child with a gun to the head. Now...how can ANYONE in their right mind not just take this man and either throw him in jail ASAP OR Execute him in the chair or whatever method that state uses?

She identified him. She told what happened. The cameras saw him hanging and lurking around for half an hour. that should be it for him. Done and over.

I just hope and pray this woman and her child will be OK. I also hope that next time she has the means to protect herself with a little help from Smith and Wesson. She should go to a firing range and take lessons so she will know how to use her weapon which will give her the confidence she will need in the future to walk in and out of stores and into parking lots. She should register her weapon and make sure she is doing a legal carry. That will be first and foremost.

The people of this country are being victimized by thugs, rapists, murderers, child molesters and you name it. Every single day there is something. A wife or husband murdered by a spouse or boyfriend or girlfriend murdered by one or the other. Murder is an every day happening now. Every night on the news someone is murdered.

It’s not right. It’s not right. We need to be able to protect ourselves and our families when we are threatened and attacked... WITHOUT US the victims who were minding our own business and going about our day having to be UNDER INVESTIGATION BECAUSE we protected ourselves and those we love and yes, even those we see being victimized.

Amazing how it is said we should look out for our neighbors and how we should always help our neighbors and those in need. Then when someone does step up to help another person in danger...they turn the cards on the person who may have saved the life/lives of someone else.

The country is backwards. Too liberal with the laws. We need to go back to the times when the perp pays for his/her crime and the average citizen working every day to provide for his/her family is able to feel safe doing something so simple as walking from the parking lot in BROAD DAY LIGHT.

When does this insanity stop? What is wrong? What has happened to this great country? Why is there so much hatred? How can anyone attack anyone else UNLESS in self defense of course. How can an adult molest a child? How can a man or woman sexually molest another person? How can that be? What gives them the right?

I would say we are heading down the path to destruction. However...I feel we are already there. God save us all.

I aplogize for the long post but...this attack is simply beyond the pale and it just got to me. It’s heartbreaking and makes me angry all at the same time. Our country and all of our citizens (especially our children) deserve better than what we are getting. Stay safe everyone.


93 posted on 04/11/2008 11:24:22 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: cubreporter

I agree. In the case of crimes like these, the “cruel and unusual punishment” clause should go right out the window. As Bonasera said to Don Corleone regarding the students who beat up his daughter, “They should be made to suffer as she suffers.”


94 posted on 04/11/2008 11:42:20 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Bill Clinton: HILLARY!'s other big ass)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I think I know that pic. Lake livingston, Texas, aligator with pig crossing road.


95 posted on 04/11/2008 11:50:44 AM PDT by eastforker (Get-R-Done and then Bring-Em- Home)
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To: reagan_fanatic

“Gun. Bullet. Head.”

Yep. That rabid dog should have been put down years ago.


96 posted on 04/11/2008 11:56:52 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: eastforker
"I think I know that pic. Lake livingston, Texas, aligator with pig crossing road."

Sorry...that's a Louisiana 'gator...

http://www.23mm.com/deer/boar.cfm

Down here we use Texas 'gators to bait the bigguns ;-)

97 posted on 04/11/2008 12:06:14 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: NRA1995

And why didn’t he go to the Godfather to begin with. No respect. :)


98 posted on 04/11/2008 12:10:20 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: stainlessbanner

Which makes me wonder why do they have the live video feed if someone is not going to be there to check it for just these kinds of things????


99 posted on 04/11/2008 12:11:48 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: DarthVader

Saw those ... they were great. Kersey did the city a favor but had to keep moving on. He got the job done though. Know it is only a movie but reflects what h appened here and how angry everyone is.


100 posted on 04/11/2008 12:12:45 PM PDT by cubreporter
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