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Pilot grounded after Fenway flyover
Aim Points ^ | 04/11/2008 | James Vaznis

Posted on 04/11/2008 11:40:34 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair

Three F-16s roared toward Fenway Park, flying wingtip to wingtip. Suddenly a fourth F-16, trailing behind the formation, caught up, flew under the three F-16s, then looped up and over the formation to take its rightful spot for a perfect V formation.

The maneuver, performed during the Red Sox Opening Day game Tuesday, came just as the Boston Symphony Orchestra finished playing the national anthem. It elicited roaring applause and cheers from the full-capacity crowd, which clearly appreciated what it thought to be great showmanship. But as it turns out, the maneuver was improper and the Vermont Air National Guard grounded the pilot this week.

"I understand the crowd liked it, but you won't see it again," said Lieutenant Colonel Lloyd Goodrow, a Guard spokesman.

The pilot, whose name was not released, conducted the maneuver to slow down after he raced to catch up with the formation already in progress, Goodrow said. But the pilot, he said, was flying at an altitude too low for such a maneuver: about 1,100 feet, rather than the sanctioned 5,000 feet or higher.

"Our highest responsibility is safety," said Goodrow, although he quickly added: "At no time during the flyover was anyone in jeopardy. . . . He's a very professional pilot, and he was in control of the plane at all times."

He also emphasized that the maneuver was not acrobatic, as it has been characterized by some spectators.

The pilot's sudden maneuver concerned at least one fan, Gina Reitano, a 39-year-old Fall River resident who sat behind the bullpen on Opening Day.

"I thought that maybe he was having trouble with the plane," said Reitano, noting she has seen four other flyovers previously that didn't include such a dramatic maneuver. "I didn't think there was any imminent danger but just that maybe something was wrong."

"The people around me were drunk so they just went, 'Whoaaa,' " she added.

John Blake, Red Sox spokesman, said the team fielded no complaints about the maneuver and hasn't had a chance to talk to the Guard about it.

"I'm not an expert on flyovers," Blake said. "If something was amiss, I wouldn't have known."

The pilot will go through remedial training before being allowed to fly again.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: airnationalguard; airshows; aviation; flyovers; hotdogging; vermont
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This reminds me of the case of Lt Col Bud Holland.
1 posted on 04/11/2008 11:40:34 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair
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To: Fundamentally Fair

“The people around me were drunk so they just went, ‘Whoaaa,’ “ she added.

Fenway Park full of drunks? I’m shocked......not


2 posted on 04/11/2008 11:42:36 AM PDT by GQuagmire (Giggety,Giggety,Giggety)
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To: GQuagmire
“The people around me were drunk so they just went, ‘Whoaaa,’ “ she added.

"So I went 'Whoaaaaa' and we both went 'Whoaaaa'."

3 posted on 04/11/2008 11:45:13 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Secondhand Aztlan Smoke causes drug addiction obesity in global warming cancer immigrant terrorists.)
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To: Lazamataz
"So I went 'Whoaaaaa' and we both went 'Whoaaaa'."

Whoaaaaaaaaa - DUDE! Where's my car??? So dude, you went whoaaaaaa, the other guy went whoaaaaaa and now I'm going like whoooaaaaaaaaaa man, whoaaaaaaaaaa!

4 posted on 04/11/2008 11:49:06 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (PLEASE PRAY FOR OUR INFIDEL STEPHENJOHNBANKER)
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To: Lazamataz
"So I went 'Whoaaaaa' and we both went 'Whoaaaa'."

Duuude...

5 posted on 04/11/2008 11:49:20 AM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: Lazamataz

I’m so, you know.


6 posted on 04/11/2008 11:51:07 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

This hotshot pilot must have watched too many “top gun” movies.
Now “Mavrick” can pursue a new career acting along side his mentor.


7 posted on 04/11/2008 11:51:25 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Fundamentally Fair
NEGATIVE GHOSTRIDER, THE PATTERN IS FULL.
8 posted on 04/11/2008 11:51:41 AM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: cspackler

Duddddddeeeee...meet you at 20,000 feet???


9 posted on 04/11/2008 11:52:22 AM PDT by fightinbluhen51 ("...If it moves, tax it, if it moves faster, regulate it, if it stops, subsidise it.")
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To: Fundamentally Fair

Please let there be a video!


10 posted on 04/11/2008 11:52:45 AM PDT by Ainast
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To: Fundamentally Fair
This reminds me of the case of Lt Col Bud Holland.

Yup.

Cool move, but if it's a pattern it's a bad thing.

11 posted on 04/11/2008 11:52:49 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Fundamentally Fair

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGsHszYnYMI
here it is


12 posted on 04/11/2008 11:54:09 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

The pilot’s sudden maneuver concerned at least one fan, Gina Reitano, a 39-year-old Fall River resident who sat behind the bullpen on Opening Day.

“I thought that maybe he was having trouble with the plane,” said Reitano, noting she has seen four other flyovers previously that didn’t include such a dramatic maneuver. “I didn’t think there was any imminent danger but just that maybe something was wrong.”

Sheez Louise! How many F-16’s has she piloted?


13 posted on 04/11/2008 11:54:19 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Fundamentally Fair
"The pilot will go through remedial training before being allowed to fly again."

Re-education??

14 posted on 04/11/2008 11:55:25 AM PDT by davisfh ( Islam is a serious mental illness)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Old pilots, bold pilots, but no old bold pilots....


15 posted on 04/11/2008 11:55:48 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Ainast
You Tube – Fenway Flyover
16 posted on 04/11/2008 11:56:03 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (I wrote the original “That’s The Ticket” Skit for SNL.)
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To: davisfh

Punishment.


17 posted on 04/11/2008 11:57:32 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Fundamentally Fair
Detroit vs. Boston Opening Day

Jim Leeland should ask the pilot if he can pitch as good as he can fly...better yet, don't ask....just sign him up...can't do any worse

18 posted on 04/11/2008 11:59:19 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (LIBERAL MEDIA PICKS GOP CANDIDATE.... STORY AT 11 !)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Did he pull Maverick’s “slam on the air brakes” maneuver?


19 posted on 04/11/2008 11:59:47 AM PDT by VA_Gentleman (Does Mars have global warming too? Is that why they had a polar cap avalanche?)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

1 LOAD OF ROCKET FUEL - $13,640
1 REMEDIAL CLASS AND LOSS OF FLIGHT PRIVILIDGE UNTIL THEN - $350
...
BRAGGING RIGHTS FOR PULLING THE COOLEST MANUEVER EVER AT FENWAY PARK - PRICELESS


20 posted on 04/11/2008 12:01:23 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. Yeah... I guess.)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

Looks like it was just a barrel roll behind the formation, not much to get excited about.


21 posted on 04/11/2008 12:01:23 PM PDT by Dan Cooper
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To: Dan Cooper

Just bled energy in a High angle of attack maneuver. They do it all the time


22 posted on 04/11/2008 12:04:35 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Fundamentally Fair

Being someone trained in the field of aviation, I must bring up - as I usually do when I see a news report concerning aviation - that these newsies don’t know Jack Squat about aviation. The more I read the news, the more I think the same about every other subject concerning the news media.

My favorite part of the story is when they grabbed the experienced fighter pilot out of the Fenway crowd and asked for her expert opinion on the maneuver.

Did the pilot act inappropriately in executing that maneuver below 5000 ft? According to his commanding officer, he did. That’s the only opinion that matters in his case.


23 posted on 04/11/2008 12:05:18 PM PDT by stefanbatory
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To: Fundamentally Fair

Nice move! Now he’s got to go to a military version of defensive driving school.


24 posted on 04/11/2008 12:07:10 PM PDT by refreshed
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To: Resolute Conservative
They do it all the time

Not in front of a crowd, apparently.

25 posted on 04/11/2008 12:10:14 PM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (I wrote the original “That’s The Ticket” Skit for SNL.)
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To: rockabyebaby

“So I went ‘Whoaaaaa’ and we both went ‘Whoaaaa’.”
Whoaaaaaaaaa - DUDE! Where’s my car??? So dude, you went whoaaaaaa, the other guy went whoaaaaaa and now I’m going like whoooaaaaaaaaaa man, whoaaaaaaaaaa!

This phrase was uttered by me after my car had been towed by Fry’s Towing of Boston. My friend said, “Park here, they can’t tow an ENTIRE lot of cars.”
Well, Fry’s towing towed an entire lot of cars!
That was the most expensive night out I had had EVER!
Any other Boston people been towed by these friendly guys?


26 posted on 04/11/2008 12:11:27 PM PDT by Holicheese (Hillary deserves the CMoH for her time in Tuzla!)
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To: Fundamentally Fair
Wow:

On March 10, 1994, Holland commanded a single-aircraft training mission to the Yakima Bombing Range to provide an authorized photographer an opportunity to document the aircraft as it dropped training munitions. The minimum aircraft altitude permitted for that area was 500 feet (150 m) AGL. During the mission, Holland's aircraft was filmed crossing one ridgeline about 30 feet (10 m) above the ground. Fearing for their safety, the photography crew ceased filming and took cover as Holland's aircraft again passed low over the ground, this time estimated as clearing the ridgeline by only three feet (1 m). The co-pilot on Holland's aircraft testified that he was forced to grab the controls to prevent Holland from flying the aircraft into the ridge while the aircraft's other two aircrew members repeatedly screamed at Holland, "Climb! Climb!." Holland responded by laughing and calling one of the crew members "a pussy".

27 posted on 04/11/2008 12:11:36 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

Yeah all we get is level flight and a 3g turn. I like to see yankin’ and bankin’ while lighting the fires...


28 posted on 04/11/2008 12:12:21 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: davisfh

Another way of saying he got his peepee whacked. Not a dangerous or unusual manuever for fighters but should not be done that low over an urban area.


29 posted on 04/11/2008 12:13:40 PM PDT by ops33
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To: stefanbatory
Being someone trained in the field of aviation, I must bring up - as I usually do when I see a news report concerning aviation - that these newsies don’t know Jack Squat about aviation. The more I read the news, the more I think the same about every other subject concerning the news media.

As Bobby Knight said, most of us learn to read and write in elementary school and move on. Journalists, apparently not.

30 posted on 04/11/2008 12:15:08 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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Fenway Park full of drunks? I’m shocked......not

And drunk before the National Anthem was even over. Impressive.

31 posted on 04/11/2008 12:16:42 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: GQuagmire
“The people around me were drunk so they just went, ‘Whoaaa,’ “ she added.

Fenway Park full of drunks? I’m shocked......not

Drunk by 1:00PM, just another opening day at Fenway.

32 posted on 04/11/2008 12:17:17 PM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

Nothing to it. If speed brakes won’t slow you down enough to join the formation, a barrel roll over the top will. I think the pilot deserves kudos.


33 posted on 04/11/2008 12:18:14 PM PDT by JoeGar
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To: Lazamataz
"So I went 'Whoaaaaa' and we both went 'Whoaaaa'."

Which highlights a particular peeve of mine.

When did the various conjugations of the verb 'to go' suplant the words 'said', 'say', and 'says'?

Listen for it and it will drive you mad. You'll even hear it from supposedly educated people;

So, he goes, "My father said..."
Then I went, "I don't care..."

As nails on a chalkboard to me.

34 posted on 04/11/2008 12:21:47 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (A couple of pints and a package of crisps. Ahhh...life's good.)
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To: VA_Gentleman

Awesome. He did a classic “barrel roll’ maneuver”. Boelke would be proud....


35 posted on 04/11/2008 12:22:07 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Fundamentally Fair
rightful spot for a perfect V formation.

If that was a perfect V, someone needs to improve their penmanship.

36 posted on 04/11/2008 12:26:57 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: Rummyfan

Yep,we all learn that slogan as we learn to fly for sure..
but what about Chuck Yeager and lots of others that disprove that??/ Congrats to them!!!


37 posted on 04/11/2008 12:30:01 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: Rummyfan

As a flight surgeon in the AF, I rode in the back of an F4E for my flight time. The pilots used to gauge how good a job they were doing in getting our attention by looking in the rear view mirrors at the top of the cockpit and seeing how dilated our pupils were.....


38 posted on 04/11/2008 12:32:43 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: GulfBreeze
BRAGGING RIGHTS FOR PULLING THE COOLEST MANUEVER EVER AT FENWAY PARK - PRICELESS

Sorry, that record is still held by Bill Buckner..


39 posted on 04/11/2008 12:35:25 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

No comparison.


40 posted on 04/11/2008 12:40:11 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: JoeGar

I think the real issue was his being late for a unified formation, and out of uniform formation.

He either was disorganized, late or did something out of line which caused him have to resort to the move because he was carrying much more speed than the formation he was supposed to join.

The air force frowns on pilots who fail to be part of a tight unit. It shows a lack of discipline and professionalism.
I can see why the Wing Commander had the lad placed on review.


41 posted on 04/11/2008 12:40:27 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: magslinger

Ping, for your consideration. Don’t miss the link in #12.


42 posted on 04/11/2008 12:41:03 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Typical White American)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
No comparison.

No, they stopped this guy. Maybe it was a one time thing...maybe not.

43 posted on 04/11/2008 12:51:13 PM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (I wrote the original “That’s The Ticket” Skit for SNL.)
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To: Malsua

Word! That was the sloppiest “V” formation I’ve ever seen and the solo pilot never did form-up with the main flight. Definately NOT the Blue Angels.


44 posted on 04/11/2008 12:51:17 PM PDT by He'sComingBack!
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
"The air force frowns on pilots who fail to be part of a tight unit. It shows a lack of discipline and professionalism."

Exactly. That fly-by 'routine' was a clusterf**k. If I were the Wing or Squadron CO, I would have 'counseled' the flight lead also.

/jasper

45 posted on 04/11/2008 12:52:34 PM PDT by Jasper (Stand Fast, Craigellachie!!)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

well hot damn, THANKS!


46 posted on 04/11/2008 12:54:01 PM PDT by Ainast
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To: Fundamentally Fair
Video of Czar 52's 1994 crash here.
47 posted on 04/11/2008 12:54:10 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

It’s words borrowed from another language.

Soigo lemme have the taco, anegoes noway, soigo get the managa, anegoes noway again.

Soigo
Anegoes
Anenegoes

No wum sain?


48 posted on 04/11/2008 12:55:08 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Fundamentally Fair

A smokin’ hole in the ground is a small price to pay for a sh!t-hot maneuver.


49 posted on 04/11/2008 12:55:44 PM PDT by ducdriver ("Impartiality is a pompous name for indifference, which is an elegant name for ignorance." GKC)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

You try something like that one more time and you’ll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog sh** out of Hong Kong!


50 posted on 04/11/2008 12:56:11 PM PDT by TriGirl (Lurking for 7 years!!!!!)
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