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Excuse the humor, but the headline, "The First Draft of History a Bit Rough on Bush" reminds me of the old "Leave it to Beaver: joke when June Cleaver comes in and tells Ward Cleaver: "Dear, I believe you were a little tough on the Beaver last night."
1 posted on 04/14/2008 12:04:12 PM PDT by meandog
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“Not only that, more than 61 percent of the historians say the current presidency is the worst in American history.”

Apparently, all of them were born after 1980.


29 posted on 04/14/2008 12:22:50 PM PDT by Tex Pete (Obama for Change: from our pockets, our piggy banks, and our couch cushions!)
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informal survey of 109 professional historians conducted by the History News Network.

LOL, so Hollywood owns history?
32 posted on 04/14/2008 12:24:21 PM PDT by roses of sharon ( (Who will be McCain's maverick?))
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"Among the reasons given for his low ratings: invading Iraq, "tax breaks for the rich," and alienating many nations around the world. Bush supporters counter that professional historians today tend to be liberal and that it's too early to assess how his policies will turn out."

Historians are supposed to BE impartial, not SAY they're impartial, not be left wingnuts.

34 posted on 04/14/2008 12:25:10 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Boycott Genocide. Boycott the Olympics.)
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109 professional historians

Show me the specific list of names and their professional affiliations and personal political contributions. That would shed some much needed honesty on this issue.

35 posted on 04/14/2008 12:26:56 PM PDT by Obadiah (I dream of the day when chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned!)
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Most of the current crop of historians grew up during the sixties and are marxists. The next generation will be a bit less devoted to karl.

Which is why I exited my hoped-for-career as a Professor of History.


38 posted on 04/14/2008 12:30:50 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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Woodrow Wilson was the worst, no one else is close . He gave us the Federal Reserve and, after being re-elected on a “He kept us out of war” platform, got the U.S. into WWI . A war we had no stake in yet cost us 210,000 American lives .


39 posted on 04/14/2008 12:30:51 PM PDT by Freak Flag
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61 percent of historians think ...

An unpopular war with 5,000 deaths is worse than a civil war with 6 to 700,000 deaths - any real historian would rank James Buchanan below George W. Bush.

5.1 percent unemployment is worse than 36 percent undemployment during the Great Depression - any real historian would rank Herbert Hoover below George W. Bush.

Having an aide to the Vice President convicted for misleading a grand jury about a matter that did not involve an underlying crime is worse than being forced to resign from office for covering-up a break-in on the opporing political party’s headquarters - any real historian would rank Richard M. Nixon below George W. Bush.

The fact that the majority of a survey of so-called professional historians ranked G.W. Bush last proves that they’re (A) ignorant of history, (B) emotionally disturbed, and/or (C) tenured professors.


40 posted on 04/14/2008 12:34:17 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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Among the reasons given for his low ratings: invading Iraq, "tax breaks for the rich," and alienating many nations around the world.

Notice they left out illegal immigration.

41 posted on 04/14/2008 12:35:40 PM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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These ba4tards said the same thing about Ronald Reagan. See how well that turned out.


43 posted on 04/14/2008 12:39:26 PM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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“Professional historians.” That’s funny. I don’t care who you are. The state of “history” in this country is a liberal joke. The garbage found in the “history books” that are being used at our Federal indoctrination centers is nothing but sick, liberal fiction. History books these days are nothing more than the mindless ramblings of hate-filled, anti-American liberals.


44 posted on 04/14/2008 12:40:34 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (How many more "scientists and researchers" can the taxpayers afford to support with Federal grants?)
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Two words are in need of definition:
"success"
"failure"

Without those definitions, this article is just so much hot air!

48 posted on 04/14/2008 12:48:08 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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George Bush will go down as a hero of the democrat party..
Since he single handily fractured the republican party to smithereens..
No democrat could have done that..

He made/gave the RINO positions the majotity leverage in the republican party..
He made what was covert for a decade obvious among republicans..
BIG gov't republicans with a desire to make 30 million brand new democrats citizens..
Illegal aliens WILL BE voteing democrats 90 percent..
Actually many vote even NOT being citizens. already..

Bush and sycophants made a John McLaim Presidency possible..
Judgeing from the Bush Administration a McLaim presidency would be WORSE than Obama or Hillary.. Because of the VIOLENCE done to the republican party.. long term..

Bush will BECOME a hero of the democrat party, eventually..

49 posted on 04/14/2008 12:51:09 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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This was a completely unscientific survey, where readers of the George Mason history website self-selected themselves for inclusion and were only asked to provide their name and "school of affiliation" to be included as "historians".

It was the equivalent of asking readers of this website to analyze the Clinton presidency. US News and World Report should be embarrassed that they reported this survey as "news."

52 posted on 04/14/2008 12:55:22 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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Yeah, I called 109 professors at NYU and Brown Univ. And folks, seriously, this is the answer they gave me.....


54 posted on 04/14/2008 12:57:33 PM PDT by PGR88
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If any of these 109 professional historians think Bush just gave tax breaks to the rich then they are not qualified to write on the subject of Bush’s history. When the entire federal income tax was reduced TWICE by Bush that gave everyone with a paycheck a huge tax cut. I now keep $4K more of my money than if I was taxed under the 2000 federal income tax rate.


56 posted on 04/14/2008 12:57:52 PM PDT by avacado
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President Bush will be considered to be one of our better Presidents, on par with Truman.

This war in the middle east could have become a World War, but he broke it up early and thoroughly.


61 posted on 04/14/2008 1:28:52 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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What a crock! Today’s “professional historians” are mostly draft dodgers from the Vietnam Era. The same people who have been teaching in colleges for the last 40 years. They are even more biased than the MSM.


65 posted on 04/14/2008 1:40:44 PM PDT by LZ_Bayonet (There's Always Something.............And there's always something worse!)
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I think Bush would go as most visonary President ever hey give guys props he try bring democracy to part of the world that still stuck in 12th Century Sharia laws

HELLO


67 posted on 04/14/2008 1:53:34 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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Lemme guess? Sean Willenz & 85 of his close friends & associates swamped the poll?

I don’t think Bush has much to worry about. The multi-culti historians are writing the books nobody reads.


68 posted on 04/14/2008 2:00:55 PM PDT by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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If you go to hnn.us, you'll see that almost all the comments on this are from Bush-haters. There are a handful of defenders and a few who say that it's too soon to tell, but the rest are pretty venomous. they're writing more out of political passion than out of any considered judgement.

I'm not a fan of President Bush any more, but it's way too early to tell how he'll be rated. A lot depends on how things turn out in the Middle East. As things go now, I'd say he's a bit below average. Failure is too strong a word in any case. It's hard to see how Bush comes out worse than Buchanan or Pierce or Carter or Hoover.

James Madison is an interesting example. The Capitol and White House were burned down by the British when Madison was in office, yet historians don't think of Madison as a failure today. Paradoxically, the country came out of the War of 1812 stronger than it was when the war began.

69 posted on 04/14/2008 2:15:37 PM PDT by x
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