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Rozita Swinton Doesn’t Like the FLDS (abuse call came from her phone)
Dreamin Demon ^ | April 20th, 2008

Posted on 04/23/2008 1:30:49 PM PDT by Between the Lines

Colorado Springs, CO and Eldorado, TX - This is not the first time Rozita Swinton has made up a good story and called authorities. But it’s definitely the first time one of Swinton’s calls produced a mass raid on over 400 people. Swinton, 33, is now facing charges related to the April 3 raid on the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado, Texas, owned and occupied by members of Warren Jeffs’ Fundamentalist Church of Latter-Day Saints. Rozita Swinton may have set the whole raid off by calling a San Angelo crisis center on March 29, saying she was a young girl named Sarah who was being abused.

Rozita Swinton is a soft-spoken young woman with what police call “a baby voice”. She’s her neighborhood delegate to the Obama campaign. She is single, without children, pays her bills and works for an insurance company. By all accounts, she is a giving person, allowing her roommate to move in after the Eldorado raid had begun. But Swinton has called in false reports before, tying up police and social resources for weeks at a time.

In June 2005, Swinton was arrested in Castle Rock, Colorado after she called an adoption agency posing a teenaged pregnant girl. Swinton told the agency and police that she was young, pregnant, alone and thinking of killing herself after leaving the baby at a fire station. There was no baby. There was no teenager. There was only Rozita Swinton, who had no explanation for what she’d done. Police charged her with filing a false police report, and she is on probation for that case.

In February of this year, a swarm of Colorado Springs police officers went out looking for a thirteen-year-old who said she was locked in a basement. Nope - it was Rozita Swinton again. That case is still pending.

Flora Jessop, a former FLDS member who escaped and now runs a crisis center, says that Swinton repeatedly called her posing as a young abused girl. Jessop said she first got a call March 30 (the day after the San Angelo hotline call) from Swinton, who said she was an abuse victim named Sarah. Swinton had done her research, but missed a few key points over the 30-50 hours of phone conversations Jessop taped. And the man Sarah claimed was her husband is a well-known polygamist FLDS member who doesn’t live at the Eldorado compound at all. That was one of several clues that led authorities to Swinton’s door.

Is Rozita Swinton a wingnut, or a misguided angel of mercy trying to save the abused children of the FLDS? Investigators are still looking for Sarah, on the off-chance that she does exist. But Texas Rangers have already been to Colorado, where they found books and “items of interest” in Swinton’s apartment. The hotline call has been traced and appears to come from Swinton. On the other hand, there is evidence of prolonged and ritualized sexual abuse on the Yearning For Zion compound, even down to a marital bed in the temple itself and many minor children who are pregnant or have had babies by much older relatives. Rozita Swinton may be a nutball. She may also have saved over 400 lives.

Heroine or criminal or both, Swinton remains under investigation by multiple agencies today. She is charged with false reporting in Colorado and may be facing probation violation charges and other charges as well. I don’t know what I think about this one - what do you think?


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KEYWORDS: flds; jeffs; swinton; whistleblower
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1 posted on 04/23/2008 1:30:50 PM PDT by Between the Lines
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To: Between the Lines
She may also have saved over 400 lives.

First implication I've seen that this was a life-or-death matter.

2 posted on 04/23/2008 1:33:44 PM PDT by phrogphlyer
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To: Between the Lines

Criminal!


3 posted on 04/23/2008 1:36:23 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Between the Lines

Well she sounds nuts, but watching and listening to those people of the LDS is just Ca-reepy! They talk like zombies.


4 posted on 04/23/2008 1:39:55 PM PDT by subterfuge (Homophobic and proud of it!)
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To: Between the Lines
Is Rozita Swinton a wingnut, or a misguided angel of mercy trying to save the abused children of the FLDS?

It's looking more and more likely that she's both. If she did indeed place the hotline calls, there's some truly awesome irony in all this. Those hundreds of children who have been rescued from a vile cult that abused them and subjected them to endless sermons ranting about how the "negroes" are all agents of Satan, owe their rescue and future freedom to one of the black people they were taught to fear. But a totally loony one, given that her previous hoax calls apparently weren't attempts to help any real people. Eventually, the kids will all need a few extra rounds of therapy to wrap their heads around the Rozita twist to their life stories.

5 posted on 04/23/2008 1:41:14 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Between the Lines

I think we have to wait until this part is known for certain:

“Rozita Swinton may have set the whole raid off by calling a San Angelo crisis center on March 29”


6 posted on 04/23/2008 1:41:17 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Between the Lines
It doesn't legally matter if the raid was started by a hoax or not apparently. If they acted upon the call in good faith with a warrant and discovered other evidence of a crime or criminal behavior during that investigation, then it will stand up in court. And since everyone is either unwilling or unable to verify their own children and parents, then the only thing they could do is take all the children and sort it out via DNA.
When CPS removes a possibly abused child they also take all of the children in that household- regardless if they all were abused or not. Since this group has multiple households living under one roof with paternity and maternity in question taking all these kids was their only course of action.
7 posted on 04/23/2008 1:42:14 PM PDT by bigred41
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To: phrogphlyer

Read up on all the mystery graves in the Utah-Arizona FLDS community. Way more children’s graves than can be explained by any natural causes.


8 posted on 04/23/2008 1:43:25 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Between the Lines

Crazy on crazy incident.


9 posted on 04/23/2008 1:45:44 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

10 posted on 04/23/2008 1:48:17 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (You're gonna cry 96 tears!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I will point out that:

(1) The FLDS community is the world epicenter of fumarase deficiency - a genetic disorder that produces extreme retardation and severe deformity.

(2) LDS doctrine permits the abortion of deformed children.

I wonder if FLDS doctrine permits the exposure of deformed children?

11 posted on 04/23/2008 1:48:40 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Between the Lines
No body in El Dorado Texas noticed an area code from two states away??

Also, ask yourself how you'd feel if poor li'l Rozita had claimed to be an underage rape victim in your basement.

12 posted on 04/23/2008 1:50:53 PM PDT by norton
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Hasn’t there been news of a rare set of genetic disorders in their community that are lethal / severe retardation?


13 posted on 04/23/2008 1:50:55 PM PDT by tbw2 ("Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" by Tamara Wilhite - on amazon.com)
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To: Between the Lines
She needs to be prosecuted for filing a false report and lying about her identity. Further, all the people at the FLDS facility whose lives have been turned upside down should sue her civilly for the financial losses (having to hire lawyers) and other expenses caused by her false report. I expect lots of civil suits against the various Texas agencies that have disrupted life at the FLDS community on a flimsy hoax call. There may be some legitimate misbehavior that needs to be exposed and prosecuted, but that is likely a fairly small number of individuals.
14 posted on 04/23/2008 1:51:09 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: wideawake

I’ve heard the FLDS actually take good care of the fumarase deficiency children. According to reports I’ve read, there are a lot of child deaths from work accidents, run over by farm equipment etc. There may also be some related to things like training babies not to cry by beating them and then sticking their faces underwater while they’re out-of-control crying from the beating. And infants and toddlers who die of treatable medical problems that aren’t detected until too late, because they’ve been terrorized into not crying when something hurts. Probably plenty of suicides of adolescents and adults too.


15 posted on 04/23/2008 1:54:02 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Between the Lines

Let me preface my comments with the fact that I think these FLDS people are very odd indeed and I have no relationship to anything even related to Mormonizm. I also do not believe that Polygamy should be legalized.

However, this whole issue is very disturbing and should be a wake up call to ALL parents who raise kids in conservative religious homes — especially “home schoolers”. I know Evangelicals have a severe distaste for anything Mormon — observe their silence about this issue. But, let it be known, those Evangelical home schoolers will be next.

The worst thing about this case is that it is completely Un-American. When Abraham Lincoln was asked what he proposed to do about the “Mormons” — he said, “I propose that we do nothing”. Lincoln understood that in a somewhat pluralistic society, where freedom of religion is paramount, you are just asking for trouble when you stick your hand in a nest of otherwise happy bees because you think they are strange / odd maybe even duped. Our nation was founded on principals that allow all of those things — they are left to personal choice - if you want to be duped it is your free choice. Especially in our current degenerate society where anything goes — perversion of every type, shape and form is held up in the highest esteem. Why focus so much attention and resources on a few scruffy FLDS adherents. Why would bureaucrats risk the potential career limiting embarrassment of snatching children from their parents on such shoddy evidence and a hoax phone call. Evangelicals beware — there is something more at work here. Let us reason together.

Did they attack this group due to it’s propensity to let young girls marry (not legally but practically). This Angie Voss woman said there are 5 girls under 18 that are pregnant or have had a baby (Texas law does allow marriage at 16 with parental consent – before 2005 the age was 14). Assuming 100 adolescent girls, that means that the teen pregnancy rate in that community is somewhere between 2% and 5%. The Texas State teen pregnancy rate is 6.3% down from 7.8%. I would hazard to say that in the inner city of Dallas the teen pregnancy rate is probably close to 25%. We recently heard that a whopping 25% of the nation’s teenager girls have venereal disease (a national disgrace) — I would bet the FLDS girls have none. Why does the CPS not round up all of the children in the inner-city communities en-masse as well? When a homosexual catholic priest gets caught with his pants down, why doesn’t the CPS snatch all of the children in the parish – they all are at risk of abuse? Why did the CPS round up the children of even the monogamous couples with only toddler children? Why not just round up the families impacted by the 5 girls? Why separate nursing mothers from babies?

I find it particularly ironic that most of this nation’s school systems sex education classes virtually provide “how to do it guides” for children much younger then any FLDS pregnant teenager along with free condom gift packages. But, of course, this is government sanctioned so it is okay. It is all very clinical and good for society.

Did the FLDS ranch get raided for Polygamy? I can’t imagine so. That practice has been legal for all practical purpose for years. Polygamy appears to carry the same legal weight as Adultery (which is still illegal in most states) — after all if you can’t charge an Adulterer how can you possibly charge a polygamist (especially when there is no legal marriage contract). After all, in our society a polygamist is just an adulterer who makes a long term commitment. If not, then why is Elliot Spitzer not behind bars for Polygamy — after all he kept a conjugal relationship going with his wife and at least one paid concubine that we know about. New York’s version of the CPS should be making a night raid on the Spitzer residence and snatching their children. If polygamy is the issue then we need to round up the children of all of the politicians in Washington that keep or have kept concubines on the side. Besides the fact that every major Muslim community in this country practices polygamy — A large percentage of those Somali cab drivers that you use are also polygamists (oddly enough the government even helped most of them bring their extra wives into the country).

The CPS bureaucrat Angie Voss made the comment that when a man falls out of favor and leaves the FLDS group he will sometimes leave his wife/(family) behind and the women will be reallocated to other men. How preposterous that such a thing would be done....Shameful….Repugnant…. Perhaps this is the real reason for the raid?
Is this really much different then our society’s wife swapping practice that we call divorce and re-marriage? When we analyze it, let’s face it, the substance is the same.

Is it because of the forced arranged marriages that this group, of people has lost their children? I don’t think so or else I am sure the CPS would be rounding up all of the East Indian children and Moslem children in the state as well. I have more than once seen stories of an East Indian girl coming to a fatal end because she did not cooperate on an arranged marriage. Maybe the CPS is just a little more afraid of these communities. After all this Angie Voss woman said she even felt afraid in the relatively peaceful (virtually weaponless) FLDS ranch. She would have to get her pants (I am sure she wears pants rather than a dress) laundered if she tried this kind of thing in one of those two communities.

No my friends, there must be other reasons for this attack. Religion and secondarily parental rights — pure and simple. This massive response is an attack on religious freedom and parental rights. You evangelicals better hold your nose and start speaking up in their defense or your home school families will be next. You don’t have to defend their polygamy to defend their parental rights. It is in your best interest.


16 posted on 04/23/2008 1:56:44 PM PDT by MapleLeafForever (What would Lincoln do with the FLDS?)
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To: norton

People use cell phones with area codes from all over the place. She claimed to be using a cell phone that was shared by men in the community who leave the compound to work. Since there’s also a compound under construction in Colorado, it wouldn’t be particularly odd for some of those phones to have Colorado (or Arizona, or Utah, or British Columbia) area codes. I think I read that most of the lines at the domestic abuse shelter she called don’t have caller ID.


17 posted on 04/23/2008 1:58:12 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: norton
First of all it was phoned in to San Angelo.

Secondly, the only thing you have to fear is fear itself.

18 posted on 04/23/2008 2:02:23 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: MapleLeafForever
When Abraham Lincoln was asked what he proposed to do about the “Mormons” — he said, “I propose that we do nothing”.

What were the historical circumstances?

The Civil War.

After Buchanan botched the whole Utah Territory situation following the Mountain Meadows Massacre, Lincoln's focus was "first things first" - he did not want to create a new Confederate ally and a third front in the Civil War.

After the Civil War, the US government put an end to the illegal LDS theocracy in Utah.

19 posted on 04/23/2008 2:06:18 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

Lincoln was dead after the Civil War..


20 posted on 04/23/2008 2:12:07 PM PDT by MapleLeafForever (What would Lincoln do with the FLDS?)
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To: MapleLeafForever
when a man falls out of favor and leaves the FLDS group he will sometimes leave his wife/(family) behind and the women will be reallocated to other men.

Reality check: These men are ALWAYS forced to leave their wives and children behind, and their wives and children are ALWAYS "reassigned" to other men immediately. And the men needn't waste their time suing for custody, since the women and children will all follow orders to lie in court about him and about their lives in the FLDS community. It's way past time for those fathers' parental rights to get some attention. And then there are all the young boys who get tossed out and warned (under threat of severe beatings and being tossed out again) not to come back -- every single father in the FLDS community is guilty of either directly doing this, or allowing it to be done to some of his sons and not intervening.

And it's a little hard to get worked up about the parental rights of parents who refuse to identify themselves or their children, and whose children are unable and/or unwilling to identify their own parents.

21 posted on 04/23/2008 2:12:26 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: wolfcreek
First: OK, San Angelo is also two states away.

Second: WHAT?

22 posted on 04/23/2008 2:13:56 PM PDT by norton
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Cell phones and area codes are a valid response but where I am, in So Cal, you can ID the prefix as cell or not cell. (For all I know, that's just happenstance but it works for me)

I don't know about the Colorado compound, interesting in itself but still leaves grounds for caution in a society that turns to litigation as quickly as ours does.

23 posted on 04/23/2008 2:20:03 PM PDT by norton
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To: MapleLeafForever
Lincoln was dead after the Civil War..

That wasn't my point.

Lincoln's attitude toward the LDS was pragmatic: one Civil War at a time.

24 posted on 04/23/2008 2:24:05 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Area code means little.

In the intervening 5 days, between the time the call was received at the shelter and the sheriff swept into the YFZ compound, the authorities had more than enough time to go to the phone companies and determine where the cell call originated. Your cell phone calls are tracked by which tower you are using. Thus, the sheriff could have easily found out that the call originated in Colorado, and not in the cult compound.


25 posted on 04/23/2008 2:24:36 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. (Psalms 82:6))
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To: wideawake

“LDS doctrine permits the abortion of deformed children.”

You Mormonhaters really don’t like to tell the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth, do you?

http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/public-issues/abortion

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes in the sanctity of human life. Therefore, the Church opposes elective abortion for personal or social convenience, and counsels its members not to submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for such abortions.

The Church allows for possible exceptions for its members when:

• Pregnancy results from rape or incest, or

• A competent physician determines that the life or health of the mother is in serious jeopardy, or

• A competent physician determines that the fetus has severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth.

The Church teaches its members that even these rare exceptions do not justify abortion automatically. Abortion is a most serious matter and should be considered only after the persons involved have consulted with their local church leaders and feel through personal prayer that their decision is correct.

The Church has not favored or opposed legislative proposals or public demonstrations concerning abortion.


It’s really getting old. Really.

What church do you go to?


26 posted on 04/23/2008 2:30:22 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. (Psalms 82:6))
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To: Between the Lines
Swinton, 33, is now facing charges related to the April 3 raid on the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado, Texas

Yet the article here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2005898/posts says this:
It's not yet clear whether authorities suspect Rozita Swinton of Colorado Springs made any of the calls that triggered this month's raid of the compound.

And another article linked on this site has this to say:
The arrest affadavit details how the investigation in Texas led authorities to Swinton. She has not been charged in connection with the Texas case.

Swinton was arrested April 16 at her Colorado Springs home on suspicion of false reporting to authorities in connection with similar claims made in February.


27 posted on 04/23/2008 2:31:06 PM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
My statement:

LDS doctrine permits the abortion of deformed children.

Your statement:

The Church allows for possible exceptions for its members when: . . . a competent physician determines that the fetus has severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth

So, in fact, I told the truth.

What church do you go to?

I'm Catholic. We do not have such exceptions under Church law.

28 posted on 04/23/2008 2:36:42 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: norton

The second was in reference to the growing number of posters who fear the Gov to the edge of extreme paranoia.

How many people have actually been *set up* in this fashion?

Yes, it does happen on occasion but, in this circumstance and from my opinion as a Texan who doesn’t want these people here, it could turn out to be a blessing.


29 posted on 04/23/2008 2:44:11 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: wideawake

You told the truth, but NOT the whole truth.

If a child is going to be born deformed and will live past birth, abortion is NEVER an option.


30 posted on 04/23/2008 2:53:35 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. (Psalms 82:6))
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To: wideawake

I bet more young boys are raped by Catholic priests than babies are aborted by Mormons.


31 posted on 04/23/2008 3:27:19 PM PDT by Skenderbej
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To: wolfcreek
I do fear the government, I spent enough time carrying credentials to know that they can be and are often abused.

You are a Texan who does not want 'these people' in your neighborhood. Distrust of outsiders is natural, these are VERY outside.
Yes, I've been rousted and threatened (by police) merely for being an outsider so (also) at that small scale I know it can happen.

On the other hand - I wouldn't want them in my neighborhood either.

You and I are hopefully above taking extralegal action until there is no other alternative...
I'd rather see an objective review of the events, and some humane treatment to the wives and kids, before I jumped at conclusions that fit comfortably with my emotions...and the media's daily drive for higher ratings.

(PS: Don't mistake my comments, being a Texan is a good thing)

(PPS: It's a done deal in any event and, like them or not, the elders of the compound made sure it went over without bloodshed)

32 posted on 04/23/2008 4:15:58 PM PDT by norton
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To: Skenderbej
I bet more young boys are raped by Catholic priests than babies are aborted by Mormons.

You would lose that bet.

Of course, Catholic canon law forbids clergy to engage in sexual violence, but LDS Church law permits abortion.

33 posted on 04/23/2008 5:57:11 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake; colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; ...

Ping


34 posted on 04/23/2008 6:02:50 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Are there any WOMEN FReepers who agree that the 1st. Amendment OKs sexual slavery?))
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To: Myrddin

So far there have been found more than twenty girls who are pregnant and underage for marriage ... like 13 or 14 years old. The’older’ mothers would not tell the court which children were theirs and which women were their mothers. Run along now ...


35 posted on 04/23/2008 6:21:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: bigred41; Between the Lines; Red_Devil 232; GovernmentShrinker; norton; Myrddin
It doesn't legally matter if the raid was started by a hoax or not apparently. If they acted upon the call in good faith with a warrant and discovered other evidence of a crime or criminal behavior during that investigation, then it will stand up in court.

Read this astounding reply on the linked to Blog:

comment 6 by

Boise Leon

Apr 20, 2008 at 9:52 pm -

The FLDS is collateral damage to a political dirty tricks conspiracy. I have been watching this for two years and discovered that every event had a political relationship to the 2008 election. Every event is connected to the FBI starting with Jeff's introduction to the mainstream media by making the FBI 10 most wanted list. He does not fit the profile of Osama bin Laden or mass murderers on the list. There were NO federal charges to justify that. The wanted posters came out in three waves, each one increasing the reward by $50,000. Who authorized the rewards?
In June 2006 AGs Mark Shurtleff and Terry Goddard issue the 56 page "Primer' to draw the line where they intended to selectively enforce the law and so the FBI intrusion seemed to be the uncontrolled element.
Reports of the Swinton arrest shows she had research papers on the FLDS that detailed family relationships and addresses designed to be a cheat sheet while going through her script of abuse. Do you know that someone made $20,000 bail for Swinton and she is now missing? The sealed court records will implicate whoever is pulling the strings for this entire conspiracy. Swinton was not the prime mover, she had a sponsor. Swinton is a delegate to the Democratic National Convention, pledged to Barack Obama. Could this have been her reward for creating yet another event to discredit Mitt Romney for his LDS affiliation.
This is not about polygamy, child abuse or religion. It is all about national politics. The raid was timed to reinforce negative PR for the selection of McCain's VP and "NO MITT' advertising campaign against Mitt Romney.
Far fetched? This whole fiasco is far fetched.

I'm not one to appreciate tinfoil hat conspiracy theory but this sounds actually plausible.

At one level you are right, it matters not how abuse is uncovered. At another level, it is only within the past hundred years or so that arranged marriage and younger girls paired with older men began to lose prominence in Western Culture. Remember young Alice Munro and Major Duncan Heyward in "The Last of the Mohicans." A man was expected to establish himself and prosper before selecting a spouse from among the young women in the area.

It is still another thing entirely to hear that the Socialists Democrats may have manipulated the news events in a manner as loathsome as anything since the October Revolution or,(you already thought it) the Third Reich.

36 posted on 04/23/2008 6:28:51 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Between the Lines
Rozita Swinton Doesn't Like the FLDS (abuse call came from her phone)

Well,somebody invite her to join this forum. She'll find a ton of supporters here! Saint Rozita.

37 posted on 04/23/2008 6:30:44 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (You're gonna cry 96 tears!)
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To: MapleLeafForever
Bump MLF for sanity in a tempestuous teacup of media controversy
38 posted on 04/23/2008 6:36:50 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: higgmeister

Here is a little collection of how this flds fight has accelerated since 2003 when Arizona and Utah met to come up with plans on how to deal with the increasing abuses. This has nothing to do with Romney.

This cult was raided in 1935, 1944, 1953, Utah claims to have planned a raid in 2006 or 7, they had 80 warrants, but well, you know Utah. Canada investigated the branch in British Columbia, where some of the Texas kids were shipped from, and put the fear of God in that leader, although they have not acted yet, he now publicly claims that his branch has ended the use of under aged children.

“””Alarmed that the sect’s members were building a compound, Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff urged Texas lawmakers in 2005 to strengthen its laws. He described the sect in stark terms.
“Imagine a community run as a theocracy, where women are considered nothing but property,” Shurtleff told the Legislature, “where women have two purposes — to please their man sexually and have children.”
Texas lawmakers heeded the advice and made sweeping changes to Texas law against polygamy and underage marriage”””

“””In 2001, Utah authorities began a crackdown on underage marriages and arranged marriages of teenagers, targeting members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a Mormon splinter group that had lived in two towns on the Utah-Arizona border.”””

“””After seeing high-profile FLDS Church critic Flora Jessop on the ABC television program Primetime Live on March 4, 2004, concerned Eldorado residents contacted Jessop. She investigated and on March 25, 2004, Jessop held a press conference in Eldorado confirming that the new neighbors were FLDS Church adherents. On May 18, 2004, Schleicher County Sheriff David Doran and his Chief Deputy visited Colorado City, and the FLDS Church officially acknowledged that the Schleicher County property would be a new base for the church. It has been reported in the media that the church is building a temple at the YFZ Ranch, which has been supported by evidence including aerial photographs of a large stone structure (approximately 88 feet wide) being built. Recent pictures now show the temple in a state of relative completion. A local newspaper, the Eldorado Success, reported that the temple foundation was dedicated January 1, 2005 by Warren Jeffs.[20]

On January 10, 2004, the church suffered major upheaval when Dan Barlow, the mayor of Colorado City, and about 20 men were excommunicated from the church and stripped of their wives and children (who would be reassigned to other men), and the right to live in the town. As a result, a few teenage women reportedly fled the towns with the aid of activists who advocate the escape of plural wives from polygamy. Two of the young women, Fawn Broadbent and Fawn Holm, soon found themselves in a broadly publicized dispute over their freedom and custody. They fled state custody together on February 15, and have been on the run in multiple states since.

In October 2004, disaffected members of the church reported that David Allred purchased a 60-acre (240,000 m²) parcel of land near Mancos, Colorado (midway between Cortez and Durango) about the same time he bought the Schleicher County property. Allred told authorities the parcel is to be used as a hunting retreat.

In July 2005 eight men of the church were indicted for sexual contact with minors. At least some of them surrendered to police in Kingman, Arizona.

On July 29, 2005, Brent Jeffs filed suit accusing three of his uncles, including Warren Jeffs, of sexually assaulting him when he was a child. The suit also named the FLDS Church as a defendant. On August 10, former FLDS Church member Shem Fischer, Dan Fischer’s brother, added the church and Warren Jeffs as defendants to a 2002 lawsuit claiming he was illegally fired because he no longer adhered to the faith. Fischer, who was a salesman for a wooden cabinetry business in Hildale, claims church officials interfered with his relationship with his employer and blacklisted him.

In July 2005, a half-dozen lost boys who say they were cast out of their homes on the Utah–Arizona border to reduce competition for wives filed suit against the FLDS Church. “The [boys] have been excommunicated pursuant to that policy and practice and have been cut off from family, friends, benefits, business and employment relationships, and purportedly condemned to eternal damnation,” their suit says. “They have become ‘lost boys’ in the world outside the FLDS community.”

On May 7, 2006, the FBI named Warren Jeffs to their Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list on charges of sexual misconduct with minors.

The mayor of Colorado City, Terrill C. Johnson, was arrested on May 26, 2006 for eight fraudulent vehicle registration charges (providing false registration and title papers eight separate times)—a felony. He was booked in to Purgatory Correctional Facility in Hurricane, Utah and was released after paying the $5,000 bail in cash.[21]

On August 28, 2006, Warren Jeffs was captured on Interstate 15 just north of Las Vegas, Nevada, after a routine traffic stop. He was captured with his brother, Isaac Steve Jeffs, and one of his wives, Naomi Jeffs, both 32. Isaac and Naomi were both released. Jeffs was tried in St. George, Utah and was found guilty by a jury of two counts of being an accomplice to rape.

November 2007
A judge sentenced polygamous sect leader Warren Jeffs to five years to life Tuesday for his role in the arranged marriage between a 14-year-old follower and her 19-year-old cousin.

A jury in Utah convicted Jeffs, the so-called “prophet” of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, of two counts of accomplice to rape for “enticing” Elissa Wall to marry and have sex with her cousin, Allen Steed, despite her objections


39 posted on 04/23/2008 7:04:05 PM PDT by ansel12 (FLDS , Don't mess with Texas.)
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To: higgmeister

Hard core tin foil hatted nuttiness. If Swinton’s stunt was part of some national political strategy orchestrated by powerful people, she wouldn’t have made previous hoax calls that had nothing to do with anything political and she would have been calling from an utterly untraceable cell phone. The Democratic Party operatives are able to recruit people a lot more stable than Swinton to make hoax phone calls.

The crackdown on the FLDS intensified a couple of years ago because Warren Jeffs was consolidating his power after becoming FLDS prophet in 2002, and was engaging in progressively more extreme law-breaking on a larger scale than had been done by this cult in the past. He was also expanding beyond the traditional two main communities on the Utah-Arizona border and in British Columbia. History had shown that the Utah and Arizona state authorities were unable to deal with the cult effectively, in part because of the cult leaders’ shrewd strategy of straddling state lines and also maintaining a community in another country. It became clear that it was a federal problem, with lots of interstate transportation of girls for illegal sexual activities, and so the FBI starting getting involved.

They also probably started getting tangled up in the increasing federal efforts to crack down in illegal immigrant workers, since the FLDS uses its boys and young men in many of the same construction trades, also illegally, paying below minimum wage and using boys who are underage and not legally allowed to operate some of the equipment they’re using, and evading payroll taxes. Employers of illegal aliens who were feeling the heat probably started pointing out the illegal activities of the competing FLDS construction companies a lot more readily and aggressively than they had in the past.


40 posted on 04/23/2008 7:06:44 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: ansel12

LIke I said, and got flamed, a nice buncha folks!

By the way, what’s Jeff’s last name?


41 posted on 04/23/2008 7:07:20 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (You're gonna cry 96 tears!)
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To: bigred41
It doesn't legally matter if the raid was started by a hoax or not apparently. If they acted upon the call in good faith with a warrant and discovered other evidence of a crime or criminal behavior during that investigation, then it will stand up in court. And since everyone is either unwilling or unable to verify their own children and parents, then the only thing they could do is take all the children and sort it out via DNA.

When CPS removes a possibly abused child they also take all of the children in that household- regardless if they all were abused or not. Since this group has multiple households living under one roof with paternity and maternity in question taking all these kids was their only course of action.

I hope these children do get the attention they need and also the women who were brainwashed.

I also think the authorities could have done this sooner they did say they had a guy in there for four years why hasn't he spoke up?

Swinton needs to be prosecuted to see what her real motives were! She has a history of doing this kind of stuff before.

All this stuff needs to be air out in the courts and on TV Court because this effects enough people all across the nation!

42 posted on 04/23/2008 7:15:23 PM PDT by restornu (Unbelievers stirred up the others, made their minds evil affected against brethren.. as in Acts 14:2)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

And to think that the big, bad, evil government wants to take those poor children from their little paradise there.


43 posted on 04/23/2008 7:42:21 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MapleLeafForever
This massive response is an attack on religious freedom and parental rights.

Wrong. It's not an attack on religious freedom. It's going after illegal activity.

Does religious freedom mean I can do anything I want without any fear of reprisals or repercussions if I wrap it in the cloak of *religion*?

Child sacrifice have been part of many religions for many thousands of years. Should that be protected, too?

Can I decide to do whatever I want and claim it's religious activity and avoid prosecution for crimes? After all, I simple have a different set of morals. Who are you to judge? It's my religion to rob banks and murder people. It's my religion to not pay taxes. It's my religion to blow away noisy neighbors who play their music too loud or throw parties after midnight.

The *they're coming after you next* hysteria is getting more than a little old.

44 posted on 04/23/2008 7:57:21 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Between the Lines

I see nobody can answer my question.

How can our society charge somebody with polygamy when we do not charge people with adultery? Polygamist’s do not go down to the county courthouse for 5 marriage certificates. These “marriages” are not legal in any state. Are they not just long lasting/committed adulterous relationships? Therefore, if we as society turn a blind eye to adultery (which I am sure is illegal in Texas) how can we not do the same for polygamy?

Also, how do you clarvoyant types out there seem to know that all of these women are brainwashed? Nobody accuses Elliot Spitzer’s wife of being brainwashed yet she was sharing her husband — worse yet, she was sharing him with a whore (more like a concubine prostitute since we know he liked to do repeats with the same 18/19 year old girl). I have know women who stayed married to nasty gentlemen for all sorts of reasons — however they were far from brainwashed.


45 posted on 04/23/2008 8:00:05 PM PDT by MapleLeafForever (Adultery - Polygamy (Are they equivalent?))
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To: ansel12
That is well documented and I commend you for putting it together, but I do not see how it is proof that this developing news event was not manipulated at just the right time to cause political advantage to Socialist Democrats. It would have been even more likely to have been a hold card for them in case Gov. Romney had made the cut instead of Sen. McCain.
46 posted on 04/23/2008 8:00:15 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: MapleLeafForever
How can our society charge somebody with polygamy when we do not charge people with adultery? Polygamist’s do not go down to the county courthouse for 5 marriage certificates.

It's easy. I've seen an online copy of the search warrant in the Eldorado case. The warrant not only had a reference to a report of sexual abuse; but was secondarily predicated on a "criminal offense" (wording on warrant) of a violation of Texas code 25.01--bigamy.

With most cases of bigamy, deception with neither of the wives--or all (depending on how many there are)--being aware of the others.

In part, your question is not only geared specifically toward the Eldorado matter, but toward the question of why have laws against bigamy and polygamy? There are many reasons. One of them is that at least in regard to bigamy, deception is usually part of the offense. Bigamists leave real victims in their wake.

You're not advocating that the state endorses such cases of bigamy, are you? You're not claiming that bigamy and polygamy are "victimless" crimes, are you?

The heart of these matters is that a bigamist or a polygamist cannot fulfill the promises he is making. If he is already married to a first wife, and extends a marriage proposal to a second, the state will not recognize the marriage. Beyond the obvious problems for such a "second" wife, as far as the state's interest goes, the "add-on wife"--along with her children--is a potential financial loser re: inheritance (if he dies) or if she expects to legally recover her financial investment in a "marriage" that divorce would otherwise bring.

We see this even Biblically. Ishmael was born to a servant girl in Abram's household; he received gifts from his father, but was sent away to another country and had no inheritance rights.

These “marriages” are not legal in any state.

Exactly. So why lock out additional "wives" & their children out of inheritance rights? Why push these women into automatic welfare like the fLDS does?

Are they not just long lasting/committed adulterous relationships?

In the case of underaged girls, minors cannot give "consent." So in those cases, "committed" is not a reality.

Beyond that, you miss one of the most crucial erosions. If any family configuration is "OK" from the state's perspective, then what's wrong with a woman having 10 husbands? What's wrong with 5 men & 5 women engaged in a "group marriage?" What's wrong with such a "family" legally adopting children to come into that "mess."

No. Whenever societies have veered from the intentional efforts to provide a child with both a father & mother, the kids lose.

Therefore, if we as society turn a blind eye to adultery (which I am sure is illegal in Texas) how can we not do the same for polygamy?

Well, society doesn't turn a total blind eye, but I'm not sure if you asking a moral question here as to policy or a legal question. From a socio-political advocacy viewpoint...

1. As mentioned, kids are the losers (stat-wise), when they don't have one mom & one dad. In addition, they don't have a good relationship emulated for them, and so these problems extend generations down the line. We see that already in sub-cultures.
2. Women tend to be the loser of alternatives to monogamy. The biggest predictor of poverty for women, for example, is divorce.
3. Uncle Sam is the loser (shells out more $ welfare-wise for eventual broken families...for example those who live together first have a much higher divorce rate).

47 posted on 04/23/2008 8:30:46 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: metmom; GovernmentShrinker
And to think that the big, bad, evil government wants to take those poor children from their little paradise there.

LOL

48 posted on 04/23/2008 8:31:51 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: higgmeister

If you are determined that there was a conspiracy to keep that old lefty from being vice-president then believe away.

Arizona, Texas, and Canada, the FBI, and Utah itself are all in a conspiracy against a liberal one term governor of Massachusetts.


49 posted on 04/23/2008 8:42:39 PM PDT by ansel12 (FLDS , Don't mess with Texas.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
If Swinton’s stunt was part of some national political strategy orchestrated by powerful people, she wouldn’t have made previous hoax calls that had nothing to do with anything political and she would have been calling from an utterly untraceable cell phone.

On the contrary, if you wanted someone to make a false report, the best way to find someone would be to look for a person that had already done so. My first thought was, how does a person on probation for filing a false report and additional pending charges become a delegate to the Democrat Convention? She works at an Insurance company. Who paid her $20,000.00 bail? She rents an apartment and probably does not have anything of value to put up as collateral against a loan. This just does not pass the smell test to me.

Your last paragraph about illegally paying below minimum wage to underage boys working construction and operating equipment they are not legally allowed to, leaves me cold. If a young man, of his own volition, can do a job well enough to be paid for his effort he should be. Furthermore, the minimum wage is just a Socialist device intended to thwart industry and should be abolished.

50 posted on 04/23/2008 8:43:58 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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