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Cartoons of a Racist Past Lurk on YouTube
New York Times ^ | April 28, 2008 | DANIEL E. SLOTNIK

Posted on 04/28/2008 12:50:53 PM PDT by freerepublic_or_die

Among the millions of clips on the video-sharing Web site YouTube are 11 racially offensive Warner Brothers cartoons that have not been shown in an authorized release since 1968.

Some of the cartoons were removed on April 16. A message saying the cartoons were no longer available because of a copyright claim by Warner appeared in their place. By evening the messages disappeared, and some of the cartoons were back. Representatives for YouTube and Warner would not confirm whether the companies had tried to remove the cartoons.

Ricardo Reyes, a YouTube spokesman, said YouTube relies on copyright holders to identify infringing content and on users to flag offensive content. If people do not complain, videos remain, he said. Mr. Reyes said that copyright violations are removed “very quickly” once identified, but the problem “is that ownership is often tough to determine.” He said many users “unknowingly post because they don’t know the law.”

A representative for Warner wrote in an e-mail message that “Warner Brothers has rights to the titles” in question and that “we vigorously protect all our copyrights. We do not make distinctions based on content.” The cartoons, known as the “Censored 11,” have been unavailable to the public for 40 years. Postings no longer appear if YouTube is searched for “Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs,” a parody of “Snow White” and the most famous of the cartoons. But a search for “Coal Black” does find the cartoon.

These cartoons were controversial when first released; the N.A.A.C.P. unsuccessfully protested “Coal Black” before it was shown in 1943. Richard McIntire, the director of communications for the N.A.A.C.P., wrote in an e-mail message that “the cartoons are despicable. We encourage the films’ owners to maintain them as they are — that is, locked away in their vaults.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: nyt; pcpolice; racism
The New York Times as entity onto itself as self-anointed PC Police.

We must fight the forces of evil by outing all sorts of un-PC-like behavior as manifested by such vile entities as the Republicans,the US Government, the Bush Administration, and now the internet itself.

1 posted on 04/28/2008 12:50:53 PM PDT by freerepublic_or_die
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To: freerepublic_or_die

This reminds me. I have to find a collection of Warner Bros. originals on Ebay before the PC Police get to them also.


2 posted on 04/28/2008 12:52:45 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: freerepublic_or_die

Can’t find a copy of Disney’s Song of the South anywhere either.


3 posted on 04/28/2008 12:55:11 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: freerepublic_or_die

So, we should worry about the forces of evil preventing you from watching racist cartoons? I’m thinking I may have better things to do today.


4 posted on 04/28/2008 12:57:36 PM PDT by patent (A baby is God's opinion that life should go on. Carl Sandburg)
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To: freerepublic_or_die

Still one of my favorite Warner Brothers cartoon moments...

“...I forget to tell you. Slowpoke Rodriguez...he pack a gun.”

“Now he tells me!”

}:-)4


5 posted on 04/28/2008 12:58:31 PM PDT by Moose4 (http://moosedroppings.wordpress.com -- Because 20 million self-important blogs just aren't enough.)
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To: freerepublic_or_die

I have a bootleg of these cartoons. “Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarves” is a brilliant piece of work. Warner animators went into jazz clubs and studied the jive dancers, reproducing them beautifully. A shame that most people will ever see their work.


6 posted on 04/28/2008 1:01:11 PM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Big dog, big dog, bow-wow-wow! We'll crush crime, now, now, now!)
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To: Slapshot68
Can't find Song of the South but you can sure still find plenty of cartoons about "pore unedumacated hillbilly" trash.


7 posted on 04/28/2008 1:02:04 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: freerepublic_or_die
How does pretending these old cartoons don't exist help race relations today? If in the 1940s, Warner Bros was releasing Coal Black and the Sebben Dwarfs, that is important historical information. We should not pretend it did not happen.
8 posted on 04/28/2008 1:04:17 PM PDT by gridlock (Proud McCain Supporter since February 8, 2008.)
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To: freerepublic_or_die

Coal Black is an interesting cartoon, simply for the people who did the voices. Coal Black is Vivien Dandridge, sister of Dorothy Dandridge. Mammy is Ruby Dandridge, Dorothy’s mother.

I’m thinking that the cartoon came out after World War 2 because in one part, a hitman was advertising his price range for killing people. At the bottom range, the flyer said, “Japs Free!” When you consider the time frame and feelings about Pearl Harbor, it’s pretty darn funny.


9 posted on 04/28/2008 1:09:22 PM PDT by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: Slapshot68

Anywhere is this country.

They sell it in other parts of the world. A friend of ours picked it up in Japan ~12 years ago and dubbed it for us.

I had heard Disney was considering re-releasing it in the States, but I doubt it will ever happen.


10 posted on 04/28/2008 1:09:38 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Obsessive Ex-Mormons: They can leave the Church, but they can't leave it alone.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

“I had heard Disney was considering re-releasing it in the States, but I doubt it will ever happen.”

Yeah, we’re too thin skinned here in the states for it. Sad, it’s a wonderful movie.


11 posted on 04/28/2008 1:11:37 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Slapshot68
Can’t find a copy of Disney’s Song of the South anywhere either.

When I lived in England in 2000 I saw a video tape of it on the shelf at a video store and I rented it because I had never seen it.

12 posted on 04/28/2008 1:14:30 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Slapshot68
Song of the South is hiding somewhere with Little Black Sambo. Wont surprise me if they don't remove the Our Gang movies because of Buckwheat and that other little round faced Black kid that was so wonderful. And how about Step and Fetchit and Rochester of the old Jack Benny show. Al Jolson would not make it in todays world because no more black face routines either. I guess Black really never existed in the history of America, thus no reparation???
13 posted on 04/28/2008 1:14:42 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism is dying. Thank God!)
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To: Slapshot68; ladtx
Actually you can. http://www.onlyclassicmovies.com/index.html

They never released it in America but they did release the English version in Britain. I bought about 6 copies last year and gave them as gifts. Needless to say everyone was astounded and happy to get them.

14 posted on 04/28/2008 1:15:00 PM PDT by techcor
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To: fish hawk

See post 14 about Song of the South. Get a copy for yourself and one for your friends.


15 posted on 04/28/2008 1:16:42 PM PDT by techcor
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To: techcor

Ooo! Thanks for the link!


16 posted on 04/28/2008 1:17:07 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Slapshot68

Song of the south DVD
http://www.songofthesouth4me.net/index.html


17 posted on 04/28/2008 1:17:46 PM PDT by CJinVA
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To: Slapshot68

Your welcome! They were great quality also. I was worried I’d get ripped off but they gave me a pretty good deal because I bought so many.


18 posted on 04/28/2008 1:18:59 PM PDT by techcor
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To: Choose Ye This Day
They sell it in other parts of the world. A friend of ours picked it up in Japan ~12 years ago and dubbed it for us.

You have a copy of a movie that originally aired in English, dubbed in Japanese, then re-dubbed back to English? That is hilarous. Reminds me of a Newsradio TV episode when the Jimmy James (station owner) character has his book translated into Japanese then back to English to increase sales.

19 posted on 04/28/2008 1:20:30 PM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: techcor

I’m glad to hear it...they’re having a sale too. $12.50

Can’t wait to show my kids where the Zippity Do Dah song comes from that they hear when we’re at Disney World. lol


20 posted on 04/28/2008 1:21:34 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: freerepublic_or_die

Times change, and so do opinions. There are cartoons I grew up watching that I would never let my own children watch today.


21 posted on 04/28/2008 1:22:28 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: freerepublic_or_die

They also had these posted at mostoffensivevideo.com - some of them were a riot to watch considering the time in which they were produced. Some of the WWII cartoons were particularly funny (see “Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips”). We need more cartoons like these today, particularly with the WOT. These cartoons, particularly the WWII ones, boosted morale in this country which, in turn, helped to rally the populace to our cause.


22 posted on 04/28/2008 1:22:28 PM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: techcor

Tried that but got no response


23 posted on 04/28/2008 1:23:22 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism is dying. Thank God!)
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To: freerepublic_or_die

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcxYwwIL5zQ

I remember going to the movies to see this as a child. It was a gentle kind of movie for kids. Not much like what one sees today. Its a different world though now.


24 posted on 04/28/2008 1:26:16 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: ladtx

However, IIRC, Lil Abner was used repeatedly to poke fun at city folks.

The strip was very popular in rural areas.


25 posted on 04/28/2008 1:26:32 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: fish hawk

The asinine thing about this is that Song of the South is more demeaning to white people than to black people. The kid’s parents are self-absorbed twits (Old South Boomers?), while the old black man shows common sense and genuinely cares about the kids.


26 posted on 04/28/2008 1:27:23 PM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: Slapshot68
Can’t find a copy of Disney’s Song of the South anywhere either.

It's on DVD, they just won't sell it here in the US.

http://shop.parisdvds.com/product.sc?categoryId=1&productId=2

27 posted on 04/28/2008 1:29:08 PM PDT by Tatze (I'm in a state of taglinelessness!)
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To: freerepublic_or_die

From Hollyweird to you:

http://www.truveo.com/Coal-Black-And-De-Sebben-Dwarfs/id/2006703793


28 posted on 04/28/2008 1:29:23 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: fish hawk

One of my fondest memories growing up was the “minstrel show” we did in the 6th grade in full “black face”. No malice was intended nor was anyone demeaned, I remember we all had a really good time rehearsing then putting on the show for our parents. That would have been in about 1956-57 or so. Too bad, those days are long gone now.


29 posted on 04/28/2008 1:30:15 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: Slapshot68

I got “Song Of The South” from somewhere on the internet app 5 years ago, but I don’t have the website bookmark anymore :(


30 posted on 04/28/2008 1:33:10 PM PDT by mrsmel (I have principles too, McCain! And I'm a maverick against your candidacy!)
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To: vigl

Try www.ioffer.com Someone there may have it, I even got “Letty Lynton” there, and some old Norma Shearer silents, and her first talkie “The Trial Of Mary Dugan”.


31 posted on 04/28/2008 1:34:35 PM PDT by mrsmel (I have principles too, McCain! And I'm a maverick against your candidacy!)
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To: Tatze
Ok, the previously mentioned link has it cheaper.

http://www.songofthesouth4me.net/index.html

32 posted on 04/28/2008 1:35:06 PM PDT by Tatze (I'm in a state of taglinelessness!)
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To: Andonius_99

Thanks very much for posting the link.


33 posted on 04/28/2008 1:38:05 PM PDT by freerepublic_or_die (Words to live/die by: (Nathan Hale) I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country.)
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To: ladtx

Did Lil’Abner every snatch that babe? If not I’d suspect he’s gay.


34 posted on 04/28/2008 1:38:29 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Carbon is the fifth most abundant element on the planet.)
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To: Slapshot68
SONG OF THE SOUTH ON DVD On Sale $ 14.99
35 posted on 04/28/2008 1:41:51 PM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: freerepublic_or_die; All
BTW, I should note that the cartoons are in the archive section - you'll have to do a little digging, but last I knew, they were there. The other cartoons are, quite possibly, the "mostoffensivevideo"'s you'll ever see, lol.
36 posted on 04/28/2008 1:47:57 PM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: freerepublic_or_die
Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGbqBxXckJU.

It will probably be gone before tomorrow now that the NYT has printed how to find it.

37 posted on 04/28/2008 1:49:26 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy ("I believe in Santa Claus. I believe in the tooth fairy." - John Edwards)
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To: Slapshot68

I got it via a site online —and they even had the NON-Disney
Coal Black appended to it. Even saved money by getting an “opened” copy (they inspect some)

http://officialsongofthesouth.com/


38 posted on 04/28/2008 1:58:18 PM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Bubba_Leroy

Try this site for the cartoons. http://www.angelfire.com/comics/mov/banned.html


39 posted on 04/28/2008 2:00:56 PM PDT by JimC214
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To: sportutegrl

No, I should have explained. The movie audio is all in original English.

They have Japanese subtitles, but only (interestingly enough) during the songs.

I loved Newsradio.


40 posted on 04/28/2008 2:51:14 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Obsessive Ex-Mormons: They can leave the Church, but they can't leave it alone.)
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To: Tatze

You can find Song of the South dvd on ebay usually. I bought 2 copies of it about a year ago. It was one of my favorite movies as a young child. I couldnt believe they banned it.


41 posted on 04/28/2008 2:53:57 PM PDT by txgirl4Bush (I Support President Bush and Operation Iraqi Freedom)
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To: cynwoody

Hey, the music on that thing is pretty good!


42 posted on 04/28/2008 2:59:32 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Kolokotronis
how does that song supposed to be racist?

what am I missing?

43 posted on 04/28/2008 3:11:09 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Slapshot68
It's hard to find much on Sambo's too.


44 posted on 04/28/2008 3:17:09 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: freerepublic_or_die

How friggin’ long to copyrights last? They haven’t been broadcast for 40 years.


45 posted on 04/28/2008 3:22:28 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (I'm just a typical bitter, white, heteronormative space worm clinging to guns and God.)
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To: freerepublic_or_die
In this day and age we should move beyond racial stereotypes /s


46 posted on 04/28/2008 3:23:18 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (All things shall be well; You shall see for yourself that all manner of things shall be well)
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To: Andonius_99

“Japs! Millions of em!”


47 posted on 04/28/2008 8:05:57 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: CougarGA7

The name Sambo’s was so controversial in some places
that the name Laughing Tiger was substituted...It was based on the names of the founders, SAM Battistone and Newell
BOhnett.


48 posted on 04/29/2008 12:55:57 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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