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Study Shows 25 Percent of L.A.'s Welfare Goes to Illegal Aliens
KHTS AM Radio ^ | May 5, '08

Posted on 05/07/2008 1:58:52 PM PDT by T.L.Sink

Supervisor says county spends more than $1 billion a year on benefits to illegals. According to new data from the Department of Public Services, nearly a quarter of Los Angeles County's welfare and food stamp benefits goes directly to the children of illegal aliens, at a cost of $36 million a month. "The total cost for illegal immigrants to County taxpayers far exceeds $1 billion a year - NOT including the millions of dollars for education," said Antonovich. "With $220 million for public safety, $400 million for healthcare, and $432 million in welfare allocations, illegal immigration continues to have a devastating impact on Los Angeles County taxpayers." In March, illegals collected over $10 million in welfare assistance and $16 million in food stamp allocations.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; anchorbabies; immigrantlist; immigration; losangelescounty; welfare
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To: OKIEDOC

The system is so corrupt anymore that it wouldn’t work. Hell, we win votes at the ballot box and some Carter or Clinton-appointed judge just throws it out. Once a system loses its integrity, the people have no recourse but to take matters into their own hands. We are at that point in America, and especially in places like southern California. And the stupid white liberals in this area have no idea how bad they are going to be treated once this low-brow immigrant mass gets a little more of an upper hand.


51 posted on 05/07/2008 3:55:42 PM PDT by raptor29
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To: EyeGuy; All

You’ve posed a very good question about why law-abiding, hard-working “normal” Americans continue to live there. Actually, fewer and fewer are. Indulge me a quote from a NY Times best-seller on the foreign illegal invasion:

“As tax consumers continue to flood in from Mexico, and taxpayers flee, the state is sinking in a sea of red ink. The Golden Land is no more. An exodus comparable to that of the 1930’s Dust Bowl has begun. Fed up with rising crime rates and rising taxes to subsidize illegal aliens, people are leaving. California is going home to Mexico. Who can deny it? With 100,000 whites leaving California each year, and 43 percent of all Californians under 18 Hispanic, California is becoming - indeed, has become - a Third World nation.”

“By 2050 Americans of European descent will be a minority in the nation their ancestors created and built. No nation has ever undergone so radical a demographic transformation and survived.”


52 posted on 05/07/2008 3:59:03 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: pissant
And I swear Arnie looks more and more like Grey each passing day..

I think he's actually worse than Davis!

53 posted on 05/07/2008 4:01:58 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (A good man has come home to San Diego! Thank you Congressman Hunter)
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To: Brad's Gramma
I’m in OC, watching my property values plummet. Right now, it’s kinda hard to get out...

I'll probably lose my job in kindergarten as they can't pay salaries due to the extra costs.

In addition, the class sizes are going to get bigger this coming school term.

54 posted on 05/07/2008 4:04:41 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (A good man has come home to San Diego! Thank you Congressman Hunter)
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To: AuntB

Absolutely. I think you’ve touched on an important point. I think that since the vast majoity of American citizens rose up and hammered their legislators into killing the infamous ‘06 Comprehensive “amnesty” Immigration bill in the Senate, too many have let their guard down. This is what the open-borders lobby counted on. They intend now to slip in their agenda piecemeal under the radar. If we don’t keep pressuring our politicians they’ll incrementally destroy our national sovereignty and all efforts to secure our borders.


55 posted on 05/07/2008 4:14:34 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: raptor29

You nailed it.


56 posted on 05/07/2008 4:17:50 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: T.L.Sink
Far and away, the most important way to dramatically cut down on illegal immigration is not to build a fence or kick them back to Mexico, but to get draconian with businesses that hire illegals.

I'm all for building a ten-mile high fence and deporting them to Antarctica, but going after the employers as the linchpin of solving the problem is better because:

1. It's easier politically. You'll get fewer charges of racism. I could give a rat's behind if someone wants to call me racist for something that isn't, but a large number of people (read: politicians) are quite sensitive to the charge. Going after the employers solves that problem.

2. Obviously, without work, many of the illegals will self-deport like they did in the 50's, saving us the trouble.

Like I said, I'm all for hitting illegal immigration on every front, but going after the employers is what we should be concentrating on as the most important facet of solving the problem. While the politicians fart around and lie to us about the fence for who knows how long, we could probably get a decent amount of legislation passed to make employing illegals a death-sentence for a business.

57 posted on 05/07/2008 4:25:34 PM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: SeafoodGumbo
My previous post should begin:

Far and away, the most important way to dramatically cut down on illegal immigration quickly...

58 posted on 05/07/2008 4:26:41 PM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: Da Coyote

The notion that illegals contribute more to our economy than they cost it has been proved to be nothing more than the spin of the open-borders lobbies. There have been innumerable comprehensive research studies that confirm this. To cite just one, the massive report by Robert Rector of Heritage. His report gives evidence that, if not curtailed, massive illegal immigration could collapse the entire American economic and cultural infrastructure within about twenty years.


59 posted on 05/07/2008 4:29:55 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: Sybeck1

Lou Dobbs had a special report showing why the low wages of illegals only minimally lower the costs of fruits and vegetables to consumers. More important, these low wages retard farm owners from making the capital investment necessary to automate the picking of fruits and vegetables. For example, here in FL the large orange groves are all harvesting oranges with automated machinery. The work is not only more efficiently done but costs consumers LESS than it would if done by cheap labor. It does require a large initial investment but it soon more than pays for itself.


60 posted on 05/07/2008 4:41:54 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: r9etb

First, I don’t “blame” the illegals. WE, the taxpaying citizens, are the suckers. And you’re certainly right that we should hold elected officials accountable. By the way, it’s no longer just a border-state problem. The 11 to 60 million illegals are affecting every geographical, social and economic sector of America.


61 posted on 05/07/2008 4:57:07 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink

“First, I don’t “blame” the illegals. WE, the taxpaying citizens, are the suckers.”

No we’re not. We work all day, sometimes all weekend, try to spend whatever non-working time we have raising families properly, and expect that those we elect to office do their work properly. We don’t have all damn day to follow all this stuff and organize sufficiently to combat all those who are selling us out and undermining our country. When we do pay attention and vote correctly on issues like Prop 187, some asshole commie judge overrides our vote and we have no recourse. And I do “blame” the illegals. Screw them and the liberal mindset that excuses their actions in all this.


62 posted on 05/07/2008 5:07:40 PM PDT by raptor29
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To: Cinnamon Girl

I totally agree. We should not only end the gravy train but secure our borders - not only because the massive illegal foreign invasion is bringing us economic and cultural ruin, but because it’s almost a classic Freudian death wish not to control illegal immigration in this age of international terrorism.


63 posted on 05/07/2008 5:12:11 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink

bump


64 posted on 05/07/2008 5:14:18 PM PDT by VOA
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To: EyeGuy
I know LA county covers a very large area, but how can NORMAL law-abiding, hard-working, honest Americans continue to live there?

Job, family, and specialized coach for the kids. The weather too. If we good conservatives are stuck here, we have to keep fighting the powers that be to make it better. Thank G-d for John and Ken and other muckrakers. Our mainstream press and politicians are useless.

65 posted on 05/07/2008 5:17:05 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: SeafoodGumbo

If we only had the b*lls to fine every single employer $2000 a day per illegal. Even if they showed “documentation.” Enough of this “knowingly hired” crap.

Grab the nannies and gardeners as well as factory workers, and fine EVERYONE. The jobs for illegals would be GONE and they would go back to their beloved Mexico.


66 posted on 05/07/2008 5:23:13 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: T.L.Sink

Then there is this from Topix Forum:

Maxwell Smart agent 86

“I will tell you a true story.

In California there is a welfare program called CAPI. It is administered by the local DPSS offices in each city. It is all paid for by the tax payers of California and we get no federal assistance. I know this because I work for the federal government at the Social Security office.

All the illegals have to do is be over 65 and come in and apply for SSI. They need the denial letter and then they are instructed to go to the local DPSS and we give them the address. Not only will they recieve full Medi-cal, food stamps, A check worth more money than Social Security pays our disabled recipients.

We not allowed to take any fraudulent documents we are handed, We cannot call ICE or fraud and report the fake social security cards or even contact the US citizen who is having their card worked under.

This abuse usually happens when their children “sponser” them in on a visit and then bring them into the office so they can get all the medical bills and cash on our dime. It is really a bad deal for the taxpayers of California. We need to repeal it. We should hold their children responsible as they have signed an agreement not to get welfare and that they would support their parents.”

And then in another thread Maxwell Smart goes on to say that they go back to Mexico and return to the U.S. once a year to renew their Welfare.


67 posted on 05/07/2008 5:30:34 PM PDT by Haddit (A Hunter Conservative)
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To: T.L.Sink

Bttt!


68 posted on 05/07/2008 5:36:46 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: whatshotandwhatsnot

I know. I just mentioned to another FReeper that the eleven to sixty million illegals here (what does it say about our government that we DON’T even KNOW how many are here!) are no longer just a border state problem. Every socio-economic and geographical sector of America is affected. I think one of the few things we can do is find our own “sanctuary cities.” By that I mean study very carefully what the trends are in various communities and guesstimate what the future is likely to be with respect to crime, schools, taxes, etc. and hope for the best. I realize that’s not easy but I think it’s very important for young people who plan to have a family and those planning retirement to do this.


69 posted on 05/07/2008 5:37:28 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: dragnet2

Amen! The ethnocentic pressure groups and special-interest business lobbies (U.S. Chamber of Commerce, et al.) love those low wages with no benefits - better yet, ‘off the books’. Both factions finance and pressure our pandering politicians who don’t give a damn about the general welfare or the Constitution. As long as these parties can find a job, make a buck, or get elected - the public be damned!


70 posted on 05/07/2008 5:55:56 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: Brad's Gramma

One commentator said that those who call us names because we want secure borders and oppose the unconstitutional illegal invasion are the new McCarthyites. They use terms like “racist,” xenophobe,” etc. like a previous generation used the term “communist.” That’s because when they can’t address something rationally or present a serious argument they resort to name-calling. They only expose their own intellectual bankruptcy when they turn to personal slanders.


71 posted on 05/07/2008 6:17:27 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: AuntB

Thanks for that post. FAIR is one of the best on the subject of illegal aliens - and one of my favorite sites.


72 posted on 05/07/2008 6:23:13 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: AuntB

“Follow the Money!” The Club for Growth, like the Wall Street Journal and other business lobbies are part of the GOP faction that loves cheap wages with no benefits. For example, the Journal runs some conservative editorials BUT, it’s the foremost paper of commerce and industry. It supports amnesty and open borders. Never mind that research has proved that illegals getting low wages suppresses the wages ALL workers, skilled as well as unskilled. I’ve heard Moore speak and he could be a lobbyist for La Raza on that issue.


73 posted on 05/07/2008 6:39:57 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: GunnyB

Right! See my post #52. It’s well on the way to what you describe.


74 posted on 05/07/2008 6:47:57 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: Haddit

I have been telling people about CAPI for years now. Noone believes it.
http://www.cdss.ca.gov/agedblinddisabled/PG1420.htm


75 posted on 05/07/2008 6:54:44 PM PDT by sheana
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To: sheana

I followed the link and that is just sick.


76 posted on 05/07/2008 7:01:52 PM PDT by Haddit (A Hunter Conservative)
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To: OKIEDOC

I’m no lawyer but I’ve been told that that it’s a federal matter. How many times have we heard local law enforcement authorities say they have no authority to enforce immigration law because it’s up to the federal government? I think that’s a crock but it gives them a convenient excuse. I’d guess that would apply to civil as well as criminal suits (?)


77 posted on 05/07/2008 7:11:58 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: Tammy8

Definitely! A while back I posted an article that explained why many constitutional law experts believe that it’s a distortion of the 14th Amendment to apply the citizenship clause to the children of illegal aliens born here. They made a convincing case that it’s wrong in terms of historical context and original intent. They said that the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” applied only to the recently emancipated slaves and not to others. In short, they said there should be an amendment passed that would clarify this confusion and misinterpretation.


78 posted on 05/07/2008 7:24:53 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: SeafoodGumbo

I agree that the single most important thing is to crack down severely on the illegal employers of illegal aliens. We know that without the job-magnet the invasion will eventually die of attrition. But the ethnocentric and business lobbies have persuaded our pandering politicians to oppose everything - employer sanctions, the fence, etc. On the contrary, they use our tax dollars to subsidize them.


79 posted on 05/07/2008 7:45:33 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: SeafoodGumbo
we could probably get a decent amount of legislation passed to make employing illegals a death-sentence for a business.

We have the laws on the books already- we just need to enforce them.

80 posted on 05/07/2008 8:10:29 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: T.L.Sink

“By 2050 Americans of European descent will be a minority in the nation their ancestors created and built.”

I’m surprised the NY Times would actually acknowlege the historical and obvious truth that America was built by white Europeans. IT does not fit with their cultural relativism agenda.


81 posted on 05/07/2008 8:24:47 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: Haddit

I wish I could say I was shocked but I’m beyond that with the illegal alien scam.


82 posted on 05/07/2008 8:30:54 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: EyeGuy

You’re right, it doesn’t. That quote was actually from a book on the Times’ best-seller list, not from the Times.


83 posted on 05/07/2008 8:56:32 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: DB
Actually Californians have voted to stop benefits to illegals and federal judges have thrown the laws out as “unconstitutional”.

Notice how many conveniently seem to forget this?

Never forget what the fedgov and the local government co-conspirators did.

84 posted on 05/07/2008 9:09:23 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: OKIEDOC
Why can't the citizens of Lost Angeles sue the city in civil court to get this spending on illegals stopped?

Why can't Americans sue the Feds in Federal court to force them to perform their sworn duties and secure our borders ?

85 posted on 05/07/2008 9:11:51 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Cinnamon Girl
They tried with prop 187 in 1994. It passed easily but guess what, a judge shut it down.

"Prop 187 passed with 59% of California's vote but after years of legal wrangling, it was mostly nullified when then-Democratic Gov. Gray Davis dropped the state's appeal of a federal judge's ruling that most of the proposition was unconstitutional.'

Gray was such a POS.

86 posted on 05/07/2008 9:30:42 PM PDT by BBell
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


87 posted on 05/08/2008 1:35:40 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: T.L.Sink

Or the number of hospitals that have had to close in not only metropolitan L.A. but around the entire country because those hospitals could no longer afford to remain in business and continue to give illegal aliens free medical care in their emergency rooms!

Sooner or later we are going to have to “clean up our act” and inform these people that the “free lunch is over”!


88 posted on 05/08/2008 5:12:08 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: gubamyster

Don’t know if anyone is even surprised at this number. Well, ok, I would have thought it was higher....
susie


89 posted on 05/08/2008 6:20:45 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: r9etb

“If folks really want to clean up that problem, the solution lies in electing a county government that doesn’t give away money to illegals.”


Further thoughts, please?


90 posted on 05/08/2008 6:54:27 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: EyeGuy
I know LA county covers a very large area, but how can NORMAL law-abiding, hard-working, honest Americans continue to live there?

It looks like many of the "normal" people are moving out.

Bureau of the Census figures for LA County [2006]:

Total population--9,948,081

White--4,660,343 [46.8%]

Black or African American--883,699 [8.9%]

American Indian and Alaska Native--49,164 [0.5%]

Asian--1,288,643 [13%]

Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander--27,701 [0.3%]

Some other race--2,749,249 [27.6%]

Two or more races--289,282 [2.9%}

Hispanic or Latino (of any race)--4,706,994 [47.3%]

In 2000 the population was 9,519,338 with whites being 48.7% of the population and blacks 9.8%. Hispanics of all races were 44.6%. In just six years, the demographics are changing fairly rapidly.

In 1990 there were 5,035,103 whites and 3,351,242 Hispanics of all races. The Hispanic population has grown by almost 1.4 million in 16 years.

91 posted on 05/08/2008 7:20:41 AM PDT by kabar
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Further thoughts, please?

The larger context of my comment is that I think that the real driving force behind illegal immigration lies north of the border: by offering jobs and welfare, Americans are paying those folks to cross the border.

Moreover, I think there are a couple of good reasons why Americans pay folks to cross the border. First, what with taxes, benefits, and expected wages, Americans cost too much to employ. Second, Americans know that they have a choice between back-breaking and/or unpleasant physical labor on the one hand, and a welfare safety net on the other. And thus, from the perspective of American employers, illegal immigrants currently fill a large niche of the American labor pool better than Americans do.

Because the source of the problem lies with Americans, the solution lies there as well.

For example, it is impossible for illegal immigrants to grant themselves welfare payments. Only elected officials can do that. It is an American political problem, in other words ... and that must be dealt with politically.

For the economic part, the only ways to fill the labor niche with Americans rather than illegals, is to make Americans more attractive (i.e., less costly and more willing to accept those jobs), or to make illegals less attractive (i.e., increased likelihood of legal trouble).

92 posted on 05/08/2008 7:24:47 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Try reading about proposition 187, The Minutemen, US Border Patrol. People are doing something about illegal aliens. It’s just not as easy as you think it is, especially when the government imports illegal alien voters to vote in corrupt politicians.


93 posted on 05/08/2008 7:27:05 AM PDT by Ajnin (Neca Eos Omnes. Deus Suos Agnoset.)
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To: r9etb
If folks really want to clean up that problem, the solution lies in electing a county government that doesn't give away money to illegals.

In many cases it is too late. They control the political power and the ballot box. LA County is 47.3% Hispanic and there is also a large immigrant Asian population [13%]. 35.4% of the population is foreign born. The inmates are running the asylum.

94 posted on 05/08/2008 7:27:52 AM PDT by kabar
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To: T.L.Sink
I think that since the vast majoity of American citizens rose up and hammered their legislators into killing the infamous ‘06 Comprehensive “amnesty” Immigration bill in the Senate

Actually, the 2006 senate amensty bill [S 2611] passed and was killed by the Rep controlled House led by Jim Sensenbrenner. The public outcry killed McCain-Kennedy in 2007. Bush supported both bills.

95 posted on 05/08/2008 7:33:49 AM PDT by kabar
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To: raptor29
And I do “blame” the illegals.

As do I. They choose to come here, knowing that they are breaking our laws. They hire coyotes and sneak past the Border Patrol. They get deported then come back again and again. They know perfectly well they are breaking our laws and do not care. It's like Terry Anderson says...the guy who laces up his boots and chooses to sneak across our border is my enemy.

96 posted on 05/08/2008 7:35:10 AM PDT by Nea Wood (I'm not a bad Christian because I refuse to join you in giving other people's stuff away.)
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To: raptor29
The system is so corrupt anymore that it wouldn’t work. Hell, we win votes at the ballot box and some Carter or Clinton-appointed judge just throws it out. Once a system loses its integrity, the people have no recourse but to take matters into their own hands. We are at that point in America, and especially in places like southern California. And the stupid white liberals in this area have no idea how bad they are going to be treated once this low-brow immigrant mass gets a little more of an upper hand.

Claire Wolfe's words become truer every day:

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system and too soon to shoot the bastards."

97 posted on 05/08/2008 7:40:44 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: r9etb
Moreover, I think there are a couple of good reasons why Americans pay folks to cross the border. First, what with taxes, benefits, and expected wages, Americans cost too much to employ. Second, Americans know that they have a choice between back-breaking and/or unpleasant physical labor on the one hand, and a welfare safety net on the other. And thus, from the perspective of American employers, illegal immigrants currently fill a large niche of the American labor pool better than Americans do.

LOL. What sophistry!! The reason why businesses hire illegals is because they are cheaper. They are cheaper because the employers are not abiding by US labor laws. It is an uneven playing field for American workers and the taxpayers subsidize the businesses by providing free health care, schools, etc. In the meantime, the black unemployment rate for April was 8.6% and 6.9% for Hispanics. This "niche" is being filled by exploiting a cheap, inexhaustible supply of what amounts to slave labor. They are depressing wages.

For example, it is impossible for illegal immigrants to grant themselves welfare payments. Only elected officials can do that. It is an American political problem, in other words ... and that must be dealt with politically.

Many of these welfare benefits are derived from their American born children. And the illegals use our ERs as free health clinics. I agree it must be dealth with politically, but we currently have a choice between McCain, Obama, and Hillary, all of whom support amnesty. Once you legalize their status the problem gets far worse in terms of the burden on our social systems. You not only increase the access to the 12 to 20 million already here, but they 66 million to 100 million whom they will sponsor to enter this country thru chain migration, i.e., family reunification.

For the economic part, the only ways to fill the labor niche with Americans rather than illegals, is to make Americans more attractive (i.e., less costly and more willing to accept those jobs), or to make illegals less attractive (i.e., increased likelihood of legal trouble).

This is a phony "niche." We need to penalize employers who hire illegals, i.e., enforce our existing laws. The idea that Americans don't want to do these jobs regardless of the salary is nonsense. The illegals have depressed wages making these jobs less attractive to American citizens.

98 posted on 05/08/2008 7:55:05 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Cultural diversity is a wonderful thing.

And, don’t any of us even DARE to question that Commandment of the PC religion.


99 posted on 05/08/2008 8:31:37 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: Brad's Gramma

“I’m in OC, watching my property values plummet. Right now, it’s kinda hard to get out...

I am SO open to VIABLE suggestions.......”

Quality of life and cost of living, especially housing, is incredibly superior in family-oriented, happily unhip suburban St. Louis...

Even with a precipitous drop in your property value in SoCal, you could probably turn around and secure palatial digs in the midwest.


100 posted on 05/08/2008 8:38:36 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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