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Clinton won't quit; Obama doesn't care
Politico ^ | 5/7/08 | CARRIE BUDOFF BROWN & BEN SMITH

Posted on 05/07/2008 9:39:46 PM PDT by The_Republican

As Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton made a last-minute trip to West Virginia and declared her intent to stay in the race, aides to Sen. Barack Obama signaled Wednesday that he would move towards a general election strategy over the next month.

The contrasting game plans underscore the fundamental shift in the presidential campaign following Obama’s decisive victory Tuesday in North Carolina and narrow loss in Indiana.

Obama has accumulated a lead in pledged delegates that is all but insurmountable – a point that Clinton campaign officials acknowledged Wednesday in a conference call with reporters. That pushes the campaign largely into political backrooms, as both candidates made plans to meet privately Wednesday and Thursday with uncommitted superdelegates in Washington.

On the campaign trail, Obama is expected to continue pressing the message of party unity that he rolled out Tuesday in Raleigh, N.C., while increasingly turning his attention to presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain and gearing his travel schedule toward general election states.

Aides to Obama, who spent Wednesday in Chicago with his family, said the Illinois senator would campaign in the remaining primary states and Puerto Rico. He heads to Oregon, which votes May 20, on Friday for a two-day trip and travels Monday to West Virginia, which votes May 13.

But before the results in Indiana results were even confirmed Tuesday night, chief strategist David Axelrod told reporters traveling on the campaign plane from Raleigh to Chicago that Obama had “multiple tasks.”

“Senator McCain has basically run free for some time now because we have been consumed with this,” Axelrod said. “Everybody is eager to get on with this. We are not going to take anything for granted. But we are also going to spend time addressing broader issues. I mean, I don’t think we are going to spend our time solely in primary states.”

When asked whether Obama would campaign over the next month in general election states, Axelrod said: “I guess you can infer that from what I said.”

Campaign manager David Plouffe was less direct Wednesday on this point.

“We have to continue to fight as hard as we can to secure this nomination and that's our first, second and third goal,” Plouffe said. “Obviously, you know, we also don't want to wake up the morning of June 4th or June 10th or whenever this is gonna end and not be prepared so we're gonna do the things we can in kind of our off hours to be ready.”

Obama aides and supporters, on a conference call, declined to nudge Clinton out of the race, going out of their way to show deference to the New York senator.

“It would be inappropriate and awkward and wrong for any of us to tell Senator Clinton when it is time for the race to be over,” said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.). “This is her decision and it is only her decision. We are confident that she is going to do the right thing for the Democratic nominee. We are confident that she will help, work hard to unite our party.”

Clinton’s campaign set out Wednesday with a diminished goal: To show that she’s alive.

With a deliberately cheery conference call and a single campaign stop, the candidate and her staff gave no public indication that Tuesday’s election would derail her campaign. She did, however, unilaterally disarm, dropping a key aspect of her underdog’s campaign: Sharp attacks on the frontrunner. Clinton did not mention Obama during her visit to Shepherdstown, W.Va. – a late addition to her schedule, located just 80 miles from Washington, D.C.

While she delivered a familiar message focused on the bread-and-butter economic frustrations of working voters, she dropped the central contrasts that had driven her stump speech in the closing days of the Indiana and North Carolina primaries: Attacks on Obama’s position on home foreclosures, healthcare, and the gas tax holiday, and the accompanying implication that he is “out of touch” with their views.

“Next Tuesday, I hope you will give me a chance to be your president,” she said.

She based her case not on contrasts of policy or character, but on the contours of her coalition of working class whites, women, and Hispanics—crucial swing voters in the general election.

“The base I've put together in this primary is a stronger place to start from,” she told reporters in Shepherdstown.

Clinton’s aides, too, drew no contrasts on matters of issue or character with Obama in a morning conference call with reporters.

Instead, they gave an unusually explicit nod to the racial calculus of electability.

“We lost the white electorate in Virginia, started even in North Carolina among the white electorate just two weeks ago, and ended [with] a very significant win of 24 points among those voters,” said Geoff Garin, Clinton’s chief strategist, acknowledging that among black voters, Clinton “did not do as well as we would want or need.”

Clinton’s campaign touted the endorsement of one superdelegate, North Carolina Heath Shuler, who kept a pledge to follow the voters of his North Carolina district. But Obama received four superdelegate endorsements, including one who switched from Clinton, Jennifer McClellan of Virginia.

Clinton also heard lukewarm words from key Senate supporters.

“I, as you know, have great fondness and great respect for Sen. Clinton and I’m very loyal to her,” said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, (D-Calif.). “Having said that, I’d like to talk with her and hear her view on the rest of the race and what the strategy is.”

Clinton’s New York colleague Sen. Charles Schumer declined to offer a vote of confidence when asked if Clinton should stay in the race.

“It's her decision to make and I'll accept what decision she makes,” he said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; hillary; obama; operationchaos

1 posted on 05/07/2008 9:39:47 PM PDT by The_Republican
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To: The_Republican

Obama will get the nomination and lose dramatically in November. McCain will be a one term president and Hillary will be back in 2012 telling everybody they should have nominated her in ‘08 instead of Obama an I told you so moment).


2 posted on 05/07/2008 9:44:18 PM PDT by umgud (this tagline is an excerpt)
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To: umgud
McCain will be a one term president and Hillary will be back in 2012 telling everybody they should have nominated her in ‘08 instead of Obama an I told you so moment).

Operation Chaos II

3 posted on 05/07/2008 9:47:51 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: umgud

But, will Hillary have strong Dem. support in ‘12, after all the ill feelings of this years campaign?

And, couldn’t there be another new face on the scene in 2012, similar to Obama rising up this year to challenge the presumptive front runner Hillary?


4 posted on 05/07/2008 9:48:36 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: The_Republican

You go girl! All the way to Denver!

I never thought I would find myself rooting for Billary. I think I’ll go shower now.


5 posted on 05/07/2008 9:51:48 PM PDT by red state girl (never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never)
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To: The_Republican

Please God, make her go away—the mute button on my remote is wearing out.


6 posted on 05/07/2008 9:52:17 PM PDT by pankot
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To: pankot

Please God, make them all go away and give us a strong candidate that truly cares for America and her people.


7 posted on 05/07/2008 9:55:12 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: The_Republican
Osama bin Obama cares and took let the MSM tell you otherwise. Every minute Hillary stays in the race, the less time the media gets to attack McCain. The more time Hillary uses in the primaries, the less vacation time the media will have will their families. (AHHHH) I hope the battle lasts until the convention. Remember, there is no law or rule in the democrat party that states she HAS to quit. Go Hillary GO.
8 posted on 05/07/2008 9:55:54 PM PDT by antiunion person (President McCain, what a disgusting phrase.)
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To: umgud
I really don't think she will run in 2012 if she doesn't win the nomination now. In 4 years all that botox will have left it's scars, her face will have dropped well below her jawline.
Besides her skin loosing all it support, she loosing support from Democrats in general. She's been around to long, everyone has heard everything she has to say. They are tired of Hillary. Her support has been in decline ever since she ran for senate. There won't be hardly any left in 2012.

It's now or never for her, and why she is hanging on to the bitter end now.

I do think McCain is a one term deal however. Seems like another Ford. Let's just hope we don't get another Carter after him.

9 posted on 05/07/2008 9:56:28 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Age if nothing else, will make McCain a one and done.


10 posted on 05/07/2008 9:59:59 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: The_Republican

Call me a dreamer but I would love to see rejected Billary run as an Independent.


11 posted on 05/07/2008 10:01:01 PM PDT by red state girl (never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never)
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To: The_Republican

GO HILLARY! YOU GO GIRL!


12 posted on 05/07/2008 10:01:43 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Bipartisanship: Two wolves and the American people deciding what's for dinner)
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To: The_Republican
Clinton’s campaign set out Wednesday with a diminished goal:>>>>>> To show that she’s alive. <<<

My biggest fear...shes still alive..

13 posted on 05/07/2008 10:03:21 PM PDT by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: The_Republican
I swear, the way everyone here counts Obama out is dismaying.

While he is certainly more beatable than Hillary, he will be a very formidable opponent in November.

If McCain can pull it out - and I have no real faith that he will - it will be by one or two states max.

Obama is going to swamp him in donations, support, and positive media attention.

McCain will be treated like dirt and be painted as another very old white man who is nothing more than a Bush clone, and a furthering of the same old tired and failed Republican policies.

Voters will flock to Obama.

14 posted on 05/07/2008 10:04:41 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: The_Republican
“As Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton made a last-minute trip to West Virginia and declared her intent to stay in the race, aides to Sen. Barack Obama signaled Wednesday that he would move towards a general election strategy over the next month. “

Big Mistake for Obooma. The beast works best when nobody is looking.

15 posted on 05/07/2008 10:08:15 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Well, yer right, age hasn’t been kind to her and she may be far too ugly by 2012.


16 posted on 05/07/2008 10:08:40 PM PDT by umgud (this tagline is an excerpt)
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To: umgud

If Bobama loses it will be because of high negatives cause of the “black power” tone of his campaign. Why would the rats then turn to Hillary who has sky high negatives of her own and a scandal for every letter of the alphabet. They’d likely turn to a Governor with a clean record.

There seems be a lot of people who seem to think she is some kind of supernatural evil. She’s just a woman, a stupid **** who ran a lousy race and let a flashy nobody beat her. She will never be President.


17 posted on 05/07/2008 10:10:56 PM PDT by Impy (Shut your face Obama)
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To: Impy

I didn’t say anything about her ever being president.


18 posted on 05/07/2008 10:18:28 PM PDT by umgud (this tagline is an excerpt)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Hillary may still run in 2012, and I am one of the people who think that’s why she’s staying in so long now - to damage Obama so that McCain wins, knowing that he will in all likelihood only be a one-termer.

One major mark against her is that the democraticals don’t treat their also-rans very well as far as giving them the nomination once they’ve blown their chance at the first one. Plus, I think many dems have had it with the Clintons, and just want them to go away.


19 posted on 05/07/2008 10:19:30 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (..."I just said some things that weren't in keeping with what I knew to be the case." - HRC)
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To: bill1952

I totally agree with your assessment. I want to believe that Obama is weak, but the sheeple are begging for something different this time. He fits the mold, and they don’t want to hear otherwise.


20 posted on 05/07/2008 10:28:44 PM PDT by catbertz
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To: The_Republican


We all hear how "close" the Democratic Primaries are and how much Obama is so dominant in the hearts and minds of the average everyday Democratic voter.

Well if we looked at the Obama v. Clinton match-up in terms of the electoral college - we'd see a very different outlook.

Presidential elections are won or lost based on Electoral College votes, not based on "delegates", "superdelegates", party caucuses or total popular vote.

States that hold Primary Elections allow the VOTERS to choose their candidate, as opposed to states that hold caucuses in which voters don't go to the polls but rather Party-insiders do the voting.

And so to get a clearer picture of the Democratic outlook - I looked through the lens of Primary Election results only and then counted those results in terms of Electoral Votes for each of those states to see whether Obama or Clinton would have an easier time gaining the 270 necessary Electoral Votes to become President.

And so by tallying up the States won in the Primary Elections (where voters decide the result, not party-insiders) by Obama and Clinton based on their Electoral College votes - here are the results:

STATE - Electoral Votes (Primary Election Winner)
Alabama - 9 (Obama )
Connecticut - 7 (Obama )
Delaware - 3 (Obama )
District Of Columbia - 3 (Obama )
Georgia - 15 (Obama )
Illinois - 21 (Obama )
Louisiana - 9 (Obama )
Maryland - 10 (Obama )
Mississippi - 6 (Obama )
Missouri - 11 (Obama )
North Carolina - 15 (Obama )
South Carolina - 8 (Obama )
Utah - 5 (Obama )
Vermont - 3 (Obama )
Virginia - 13 (Obama )
Wisconsin - 10 (Obama )
148 Primary Electoral Votes For Obama.

Arizona - 10 (Clinton )
Arkansas - 6 (Clinton )
California - 55 (Clinton )
Florida - 27 (Clinton )
Indiana - 11 (Clinton )
Massachusetts - 12 (Clinton )
Michigan - 17 (Clinton )
New Hampshire - 4 (Clinton )
New Jersey - 15 (Clinton )
New Mexico - 5 (Clinton )
New York - 31 (Clinton )
Ohio - 20 (Clinton )
Oklahoma - 7 (Clinton )
Pennsylvania - 21 (Clinton )
Rhode Island - 4 (Clinton )
Tennessee - 11 (Clinton )
Texas - 34 (Clinton )
290 Primary Electoral votes For Clinton.

Woah! Looks like Clinton has a HUGE lead when it comes to where it counts state-by-state - 1) Actual voters and 2) Electoral Count.

Oh - well - what about the Caucus states. Shirley all the states won by Obama would make a big difference wouldn't it?

Okay - let's add in the Caucus states and add up those Electoral College Votes too. However - an odd thing happened in Texas, they had a Primary AND a Caucus - and the results were split between Obama and Clinton, Clinton won the Primary and Obama won the Caucus. So to be fair, I'll give EACH of them the full amount of Texas Electoral Votes:

STATE - Electoral Votes (Caucus Election Winner)
Alaska - 3 (Obama )
Colorado - 9 (Obama )
Hawaii - 4 (Obama )
Idaho - 4 (Obama )
Iowa - 7 (Obama )
Kansas - 6 (Obama )
Maine - 4 (Obama )
Minnesota - 10 (Obama )
Nebraska - 5 (Obama )
North Dakota - 3 (Obama )
Texas - 34 (Obama )
Washington - 11 (Obama )
Wyoming - 3 (Obama )
103 Caucus Electoral Votes For Obama.

Nevada - 5 (Clinton)
5 Caucus Electoral Votes For Clinton.

And so what's the grand total - in terms of Electoral Votes for each?

Clinton: 295 Total Electoral Votes
Obama: 251 Total Electoral Votes

* remember, Texas is counted once for each candidate.

Personally - I actually happen to think the State Primary Election results are FAR more telling than the party-insider polls done for State Caucus elections.

ETA: And if you look just at "swing" states who had Primary Elections, those states that are going to be the main battlegrounds and ususally determine the outcome of the elections:

Ohio - 20 (Clinton )
Pennsylvania - 21 (Clinton )
Florida - 27 (Clinton )
New Hampshire - 4 (Clinton )
Wisconsin - 10 (Obama )


Bottomline: Don't quit Hill! You can still win this!! LOL!



21 posted on 05/07/2008 10:50:55 PM PDT by The_Macallan
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To: The_Macallan

Obamiacs were out in force to get folks to sign over/up for the Dem Primary here in Oregon.

Well we did so we can vote for Hillary.

Who would have ever thunk?

Nine months ago I felt it was unethical to cross over.

Today not whim of what so ever.

Hillary is suppose to come through here Thurs and Fri.

King Vanity is ready to go see her as part of his political historical mode...saw Bill two weeks ago and (dont barf yall) Bill held his hand and kinda teared up as they gazed into each others eyes (son speaks in augmented signs not verbal) it was sincere, regardless of politics.

Hillary he met 5yrs ago definetly hoof handed and fake.

Obama The Invisible Man (old black and white movie) or empty suit, young people who are ga ga for Obama IMO are buying a slogan.

Mc Cain we are not going to pay $2000 to see speak...freebie rallies only.

Chelsea would of cost $200.

I feel bad for the Chelse loves her Mom but does not like her as rumored.

I have Thursdays for respite no way am I going to give up rare time to myself to go see Hillary, sorry son.


22 posted on 05/07/2008 11:26:57 PM PDT by Global2010
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To: The_Republican
Clinton’s New York colleague Sen. Charles Schumer declined to offer a vote of confidence when asked if Clinton should stay in the race.

“It's her decision to make and I'll accept what decision she makes,” he said.

Chuckie has always been a guy you can count on when the going gets tough.... /sarcasm

23 posted on 05/08/2008 12:29:57 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: bill1952

I agree with you. That’s why it’s crucial for Hillary to continue to spread chaos in the Demonrat Party.


24 posted on 05/08/2008 12:37:40 AM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: The_Republican
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25 posted on 05/08/2008 2:46:07 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: bill1952
While he is certainly more beatable than Hillary, he will be a very formidable opponent in November.

So very true. The dynamics are going to completely change once the dims unite behind a single candidate along with their coordinated media assault. As much as we like to pat ourselves on the back, the media has been the primary driver of democrat victories with their open propaganda and blatant bias towards socialists.

And our candidate can't even consolidate his own base.

NOT GOOD...

26 posted on 05/08/2008 2:48:53 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: pankot

And I thought I was the only person in America that hit the mute when she came on. Already gone through 3 remotes!


27 posted on 05/08/2008 4:56:51 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Impy

And as I said before, no one who would hold such an important position should ever resort to tears to gain sympathy as she did early on. Weakness has no place for POTUS.


28 posted on 05/08/2008 6:06:11 AM PDT by freebird5850
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To: bill1952
Obama is going to swamp him in donations, support, and positive media attention.

While McCain is no prize, an Obama presidency is a scary thought. Frankly, I could abide a Hillary presidency more than an Obama one. Hillary is a pragmatist at heart, while Obama is a pure socialist through and through.

I agree with you that once the Dems settle on a candidate, all their big guns will turn on McCain with a vengance. It will be Keating Five, etc. all autumn long. Obama will indeed be a formidable candidate and could well win. With an unpopular war, stagnant economy in many parts of the country, and likely $4 per gallon gas, people will want change, and McCain will be seen by many as Bush III.

29 posted on 05/08/2008 6:14:24 AM PDT by IndyTiger
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To: Impy

“She’s just a woman, a stupid **** who ran a lousy race and let a flashy nobody beat her.”

This was her year. If she couldn’t pull it off this year, she’ll get nowhere in 2012. Her only hope is to convince the Superdelegates to force Obama to make her his running mate. That’s what she’s running for now, and that’s why she didn’t criticise Obama on the stump yesterday. IOW, the Clintons have seen the handwriting on the wall and are attempting to get back to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. via One Observatory Circle.


30 posted on 05/08/2008 7:12:21 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet (The NC GOP is McCain's maverick.)
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