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Let Lauren Live!
ChristtheKingMaine ^ | May 7, 2008 | Judie Brown

Posted on 05/08/2008 3:14:03 AM PDT by 8mmMauser

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To: All; jy22077; floriduh voter
Ping to this thread by jy22077 on situations like that of Terri. Thanks, FV, for the ping.

Many families are faced with decisions about what to do when their loved ones suffer serious brain injury. When individuals are unlikely to come out of so-called "vegetative states," should we discontinue nourishing them by tube feeding? Is there anything wrong with causing patients in compromised states to die from starvation and dehydration under these circumstances? We all lived through such a decision when Terri Schiavo died in 2005 in Florida. Her death raised disturbing ethical questions that continue to reverberate in society today..........

The Modern Anathema Of Living With Brain Damage (About Terri Schiavo)

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601 posted on 06/16/2008 6:19:23 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
A Bishop on embryonic research in a thread by wagglebee...

ORLANDO, FL, June 13, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a 191-1 vote, the U.S. bishops adopted a proposed statement on embryonic stem cell research during Friday's session of the U.S. Conference of Bishops spring meeting in Orlando, which concludes on Saturday. On numerous occasions the statement refers to embryonic stem cell research as "killing", and condemns three common arguments in support of the practice.........

State-Funded Embryo Research "Makes Taxpayers Complicit in Killing", say Bishops

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602 posted on 06/16/2008 6:27:28 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: wagglebee; Etixos; floriduh voter; 8mmMauser

What should we expect from a troll who calls Free Republic “any one chat board”

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603 posted on 06/16/2008 6:57:38 AM PDT by BykrBayb (www.lifeforlauren.org Þ)
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To: 8mmMauser; floriduh voter; BykrBayb; Lesforlife
Some time in mid-September a Manitoba judge will make what is likely to be a life or death decision in the Samuel Golubchuk case.

Is it just me or is there something inherently surreal about the fact that we live in a society where people seem to accept the premise that a judge should be allowed to decide if a person who has committed no crime should live or die?

Canada has not executed anyone in over 45 years and the abolished capital punishment primarily out of concern that an innocent person might be put to death. Yet now they seem to think that they have the moral and legal authority to execute a many who hasn't even been accused of a crime. It is disgusting.

604 posted on 06/16/2008 6:59:28 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Superb analysis.

Brings to mind the scripture - “Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil.”

Isaiah 5:20


605 posted on 06/16/2008 7:24:10 AM PDT by Lesforlife
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To: wagglebee

Superb analysis.

Brings to mind the scripture - “Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil.”

Isaiah 5:20


606 posted on 06/16/2008 7:24:22 AM PDT by Lesforlife
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To: wagglebee
Capital punishment for the infirmed. Meanwhile, I was googling for an unrelated matter and found the Petition to Remove Mikey Schiavy as guardian. The propagandists who frequent here should read some facts for a change instead of spewing lies.

http://www6.miami.edu/ethics/schiavo/Nov_22_2002_Petition_to_remove_MS_as_guardian.html

607 posted on 06/16/2008 8:04:32 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( LAUREN RICHARDSON NEEDS YOU. Pls visit www.lifeforlauren.org)
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To: wagglebee

http://www6.miami.edu/ethics/schiavo/Nov_22_2002_Petition_to_remove_MS_as_guardian.html


608 posted on 06/16/2008 8:05:34 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( LAUREN RICHARDSON NEEDS YOU. Pls visit www.lifeforlauren.org)
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To: wagglebee

early Wham.


609 posted on 06/16/2008 8:07:32 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( LAUREN RICHARDSON NEEDS YOU. Pls visit www.lifeforlauren.org)
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To: wagglebee; KDD
Terri's group Wham's big hit was "Wake Me Up Before You Go, Go." (the irony).

She was pronounced dead in Feb. of 1990 by one person (HINO) who was stunned when she came around. She then woke up for fifteen years of living and then she was killed by a conglomerate of the nastiest people in Amerika.

610 posted on 06/16/2008 8:11:10 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( LAUREN RICHARDSON NEEDS YOU. Pls visit www.lifeforlauren.org)
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To: floriduh voter

What is “early Wham”? From what I remember, the painful ordeal of them being on the radio ALL THE TIME only lasted from about late 1983 to mid 1985.


611 posted on 06/16/2008 8:24:06 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Early Wham is the only Wham there was. They broke up w/George Michael and a solo career and Andy went into auto racing.


612 posted on 06/16/2008 8:39:38 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( LAUREN RICHARDSON NEEDS YOU. Pls visit www.lifeforlauren.org)
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To: floriduh voter
Early Wham is the only Wham there was.

Right, they sucked and people figured it out VERY QUICKLY!

613 posted on 06/16/2008 9:05:10 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; 8mmMauser; BykrBayb; Lesforlife; Sun; Dante3

It is prophetic though for Terri. In their first video for Wake Me Up Before You Go, Go, everyone in the video wore white t-shirts that said “CHOOSE LIFE” (Wham). Too bad I just thought of it or we could have played that video all over the place before Terri was murdered.


614 posted on 06/16/2008 9:15:54 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( LAUREN RICHARDSON NEEDS YOU. Pls visit www.lifeforlauren.org)
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To: floriduh voter

Interesting, I’ll have to look into that.


615 posted on 06/16/2008 9:18:48 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Sam Golubchuk update...

Sounds like the death team is withdrawing from the killing project. They are taking their killing instruments and stomping off. No more killing of innocents for them unless we are all nice to them again. What is a poor facility to do when the professional killers leave, hire amateurs or maybe contract with a professional hit man?

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The Winnipeg Regional Health Authority is working with Grace Hospital to ensure that patients get the care they need after two more doctors resigned from the critical-care unit, effectively halving its number of physicians.

The doctors' departures are the latest addition to the controversy over an 84-year-old man on life support.

The case of Samuel Golubchuk is set for court in mid-September, and until then, doctors at Winnipeg's Grace Hospital have been ordered to continue treating the elderly man.

Mr. Golubchuk has been on life support since November, and has a feeding tube and a ventilator.

Earlier this month, Anand Kumar said he wouldn't accept rotations at Grace Hospital that involved providing care to Mr. Golubchuk, calling further treatment, such as surgically hacking away at skin ulcers, tantamount to "torture."

Yesterday, a lawyer involved in the case confirmed ICU director Bojan Paunovic and specialist David Easton have also declined shifts at the hospital.

Mr. Golubchuk's family lawyer, Neil Kravetsky, said Dr. Kumar and Dr. Paunovic had filed letters earlier this month, while Dr. Easton informed the family in writing last week.

According to court documents, chief medical officer Elizabeth Cowden expressed concern that the ICU could be forced to close if other physicians followed Dr. Kumar's lead and resigned.

She said in an affidavit that it would be difficult to recruit specialists to the hospital's rotations because many physicians would feel that providing medical treatment in this situation would go against their professional ethics.

But Heidi Graham, a spokeswoman for the Winnipeg Health Region says critical-care doctors from the city's other hospitals are being asked to take on shifts to support Grace Hospital's three remaining doctors on the unit.

She declined comment on Mr. Golubchuk's care, saying the matter is before the court.

Dr. Kumar also declined comment yesterday.

Two more doctors resign over life-support case

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616 posted on 06/17/2008 3:21:48 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
More stories from Canada repeat the group tantrum news...

It appears there have been more resignations at the Grace Hospital over the care of an 84-year-old Jewish man on life support.

Two more doctors have left the Grace Hospital, at least one of them is named in the civil action filed by Samuel Golubchuk's family.

The Winnipeg Regional Health Authority confirms two more critical care physicians have resigned. The RHA says it is managing the situation because some doctors from other hospitals are coming to work at the Grace when needed to deal with the losses.

Two weeks ago Doctor Anand Kumar left the Grace refusing to treat Golubchuk calling the situation an abomination tantamount to torture. The Jewish man's family is fighting the hospital in court to prevent its staff from removing the brain injured man's life support.

More doctors quit over Golubchuk case?

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617 posted on 06/17/2008 3:30:05 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Karen Weber update...

This is written by Bobby Schindler.

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LifeNews.com Note: Bobby Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, the disabled woman whose husband won a court order to subject her to a painful euthanasia death. Since her death, the Schindler family run the Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation that helps disabled people obtained appropriate medical care and legal help. Opinion and editorial articles like this one do not necessarily reflect the views of LifeNews.com.

Recently, yet another situation similar to that of my sister Terri Schiavo has made headlines. In West Palm Beach, Florida, Raymond Weber is asking the court to dehydrate his disabled wife, Karen, to death.

If you have read any of the reports in mainstream media, it’s just another case of a husband looking out for the “best interest” of his spouse. And just as in Terri’s case, Raymond Weber is asking the government to deliberately kill his wife who is not dying and is guilty of nothing more than having difficulty swallowing and therefore needing help, in the form of a feeding tube, to eat.

Not surprisingly, in a story by the AP, was a quote from the husband’s attorney who so touchingly referred to his client’s brain-injured wife as a “vegetable,” thus offending the tens of thousands of people and their families who do live with a profound brain injury.

The reporter also wrote that the decision whether Karen should live or die will depend upon whether or not a committee finds her “competent” to go on living. Yes, that is correct, competent enough to live. I guess passing an IQ test will be next.

Factors such as what is being taught in our medical schools, the breakdown of our health care system, the powerful influence of assisted suicide organizations, and the propaganda of our mainstream media have taken their toll.

As a result, the physically and mentally “inferior” are being denied the most basic care—food and water—in our nation’s medical facilities every day. (Thank goodness we have laws making it a felony if we do the same to an animal, although I would expect there would be a greater outcry if it were the family pets at risk.)

Equally as disturbing is the fact that our politicians, including our two presidential candidates, ignore this issue and because of it are failing in one of the most important responsibilities they have as leaders—to protect our most vulnerable citizens.

Perhaps our general public doesn’t have a clue as to how widespread this problem is in our nation today. This ignorance is in large part because of a stealth and powerful lobby who support patient dehydration based on quality of life judgments. This has slowly but surely changed our laws regarding food and water. Nutrition and hydration through a feeding tube, once considered basic care, are now recognized as “artificial nutrition and hydration”—and therefore a form of “medical treatment.”

Read the rest of the story here.

Competent Enough to Live -- Declaring the Physically Disabled "Inferior People"

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618 posted on 06/17/2008 3:43:21 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Lesforlife
I wish our own state had fighters like in Colorado, combatting the RINOvirus every step of the way.

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"You're headed for another election catastrophe."

Contact: Donna Ballentine, Colorado Right To Life, 303 753-9394, Office@ColoradoRightToLife.org

DENVER, June 16 /Christian Newswire/ -- "Colorado Right To Life is warning Dick Wadhams, the state Republican Party chairman, that by shunning their pro-life conservative base they're headed for another election catastrophe in November," said Joe Riccobono, CRTL president.

"Wadhams banned the nation's oldest Right To Life organization from their state convention while he welcomed a radical pro-abortion group," said CRTL vice president Leslie Hanks. "The state's top Republican is out of touch with his own party's base, where 4 out of 5 Republicans at the convention voted to defend life beginning at fertilization."

The thousands of convention delegates passed all forty resolutions offered, except for the only one that failed, the pro-abortion Resolution #21. Convention rules require literature to be approved by the party chairman. Wadhams allowed the misnamed Republican Majority for Choice to distribute flyers quoting him about the Personhood Amendment 48 sponsors as "on the fringe of the pro-life movement, and they do not represent by any stretch of the imagination the hundreds of thousands of pro-life Coloradans."

130,000 pro-lifers signed the Personhood petition. Delegates overwhelmingly passed all uncompromising pro-life resolutions including the 78% vote affirming that "life begins at conception." 20-year-old Personhood Amendment sponsor Kristi Burton was elected among the top ten most popular of the 46 national delegates.

The Denver Post last week quoted Wadhams regarding conservative leader Dr. James Dobson's refusal to support the Republican presidential candidate. "Dobson's comments that he would not vote for the party's presumptive nominee, John McCain, won't hurt." Further, according to the Post, Wadhams agreed that the party should "avoid social issues," and the liberal ColoradoPols.com headlined their report about the state Republican chairman: "Wadhams: Dobson Is So Yesterday."

"Wadhams sells out Dobson and pro-life voters in favor of pro-abortion lobbyists," said Hanks. "Social issues have motivated Republicans in every presidential cycle since 1980."

In sharp contrast, the ColoradoRTL.org candidate questionnaire has identified many heroic leaders running for office. "But Wadhams has moved U.S. Senate candidate Bob Schaffer to the liberal middle, and he's trying to drag the Colorado GOP to the left."

"Wadhams promotion of abortion will be the straw that elects Democrat Mark Udall," said Riccobono. Wadhams pushing the party to the left helps explain the Rocky Mountain News report that Bob Schaffer's convention speech received, "the loudest applause… when he criticized his own party."

In the past, Schaffer fought for protection of innocent human life from the moment of fertilization. "Now he's allowing the party boss Dick Wadhams to position his own former pro-life belief as bad for the Colorado GOP," said Riccobono, "so Schaffer will be blamed for their third election strike out and game over."

Right To Life Warns Colorado Republican Chairman

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619 posted on 06/17/2008 3:50:38 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
This on Karen Weber comes from UPI!

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Life support debate over stroke victim
Another right to life battle is brewing in Florida. Karen Weber, 57, is paralized and her husband wants her feeding tube removed. The case is similar to that of Terri Schiavo (pictured) who died March 31, 2005, following a lengthy battle between her husband and parents.
OKEECHOBEE, Fla., June 16 (UPI) -- Family members are battling over whether to remove a feeding tube from a Florida woman who remains paralyzed and speechless after a stroke seven months ago.

Karen Weber, 57, remains attached to a feeding tube in a nursing home despite the belief of her husband, Raymond, that she would want the plug pulled and be transferred to hospice care. But her mother, Martha Tatro, and other family members say she is alert and responsive in a developing legal battle reminiscent of the 2005 Terry Schiavo case, the Palm Beach Post reported Monday.

"Mr. Weber is of the opinion that Karen does not want to live as a vegetable and that she would prefer the body to take its natural course," said his attorney, Colin Cameron.

"She blinks for yes or no. She shakes her head. She waves goodbye and she can laugh at jokes," Tatro said.

An Okeechobee County judge has issued a court order blocking removal of the tube until a court-appointed medical panel decides whether she is capable of deciding her own fate.

Life support debate over stroke victim

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620 posted on 06/17/2008 3:56:06 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Involving the rules of opposites and projection, the libs in their fantasies that they are intellectual ooze that same old pattern, haters calling people they hate haters.

In this instance, they declare emotional spasm as logic and science.

Charo identified a common thread running through the concerns of all the participants: the dilemma of basing policy on “truth,” when politicians can manipulate the concept into something that no longer resembles the truth of scientists. “Scientists talk in terms of hypotheses and probabilities,” she pointed out, whereas “politics and law tends to move on the assumption that the case is ‘X’ and we need to base a policy on it.” But troubles arise over who gets to own that truth, she said. In light of the inherent uncertainly of science, she explained, the United States has seen the difference in the treatment of truth used to delay necessary policies, as in the case of global warming. She also pointed to political manipulations of truth that have been used to “justify absolute falsehoods” as in the case of the Terri Schiavo controversy and battles over reproductive rights. She added that “nationally, we’ve seen it blurring the definition of science in the continued attempts to introduce creationism and so-called ‘Intelligent Design’ into the school system.”....

Putting Science Back on the Agenda

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621 posted on 06/17/2008 4:14:55 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Involving the rules of opposites and projection, the libs in their fantasies that they are intellectual ooze that same old pattern, haters calling people they hate haters.

In this instance, they declare emotional spasm as logic and science.

Charo identified a common thread running through the concerns of all the participants: the dilemma of basing policy on “truth,” when politicians can manipulate the concept into something that no longer resembles the truth of scientists. “Scientists talk in terms of hypotheses and probabilities,” she pointed out, whereas “politics and law tends to move on the assumption that the case is ‘X’ and we need to base a policy on it.” But troubles arise over who gets to own that truth, she said. In light of the inherent uncertainly of science, she explained, the United States has seen the difference in the treatment of truth used to delay necessary policies, as in the case of global warming. She also pointed to political manipulations of truth that have been used to “justify absolute falsehoods” as in the case of the Terri Schiavo controversy and battles over reproductive rights. She added that “nationally, we’ve seen it blurring the definition of science in the continued attempts to introduce creationism and so-called ‘Intelligent Design’ into the school system.”....

Putting Science Back on the Agenda

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622 posted on 06/17/2008 4:15:37 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Involving the rules of opposites and projection, the libs in their fantasies that they are intellectual ooze that same old pattern, haters calling people they hate haters.

In this instance, they declare emotional spasm as logic and science.

Charo identified a common thread running through the concerns of all the participants: the dilemma of basing policy on “truth,” when politicians can manipulate the concept into something that no longer resembles the truth of scientists. “Scientists talk in terms of hypotheses and probabilities,” she pointed out, whereas “politics and law tends to move on the assumption that the case is ‘X’ and we need to base a policy on it.” But troubles arise over who gets to own that truth, she said. In light of the inherent uncertainly of science, she explained, the United States has seen the difference in the treatment of truth used to delay necessary policies, as in the case of global warming. She also pointed to political manipulations of truth that have been used to “justify absolute falsehoods” as in the case of the Terri Schiavo controversy and battles over reproductive rights. She added that “nationally, we’ve seen it blurring the definition of science in the continued attempts to introduce creationism and so-called ‘Intelligent Design’ into the school system.”....

Putting Science Back on the Agenda

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623 posted on 06/17/2008 4:16:10 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

This time, I place the blame for the multiple posts squarely on the WildBlue satellite system. In inclement weather like this morning, my posts hang and I get an indication the data never uploaded. If I leave it alone, it may just sit there forever, blocking all my progress. Then when it finally goes through, it does so in repeats. It is agonizingly slow, and inferior to simple dial up in these circumstances.


624 posted on 06/17/2008 4:26:15 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Wagglebee has a separate thread on the article by Bobby Schindler today.

June 16, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Recently, yet another situation similar to that of my sister Terri Schiavo has made headlines. In West Palm Beach, Florida, Raymond Weber is asking the court to dehydrate his disabled wife, Karen, to death.

If you have read any of the reports in mainstream media, it’s just another case of a husband looking out for the “best interest” of his spouse. And just as in Terri’s case, Raymond Weber is asking the government to deliberately kill his wife who is not dying and is guilty of nothing more than having difficulty swallowing and therefore needing help, in the form of a feeding tube, to eat...

Competent Enough to Live

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625 posted on 06/17/2008 4:56:10 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Those who drool over the thrill of coaxing others into suicide never want to try it for themselves first. Thread by wagglebee on Washington State flirting with the Oregon legal murder clause.

Olympia, WA (LifeNews.com) -- The Initiative 1000 measure that would make Washington the second state, following Oregon, to legalize assisted suicide, is drawing expected opposition from pro-life groups and medical professionals. But the son of the proposal's spokesman and disability groups are opposed as well.

Booth Gardner the millionaire former governor of the state, is the lead spokesman for the I-1000 assisted suicide proposal....

Spokesman's Son, Disability Groups Oppose Washington Assisted Suicide Prop (Booth Gardner's Son)

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626 posted on 06/17/2008 5:13:46 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Good riddance.


627 posted on 06/17/2008 8:39:36 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: wagglebee
All white t-shirts by Wham and their dancers. CHOOSE LIFE. Greer would have killed Terri anyway. That's what killers do. Thank God he's doing civil lit now, not killing people for the Sixth Judicial Circus.

www.judgegeorgegreer.com

628 posted on 06/17/2008 9:01:54 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( LAUREN RICHARDSON NEEDS YOU. Pls visit www.lifeforlauren.org)
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To: wagglebee
Wagglebee, I must say your post has me at a loss. My post corrected the falsehood that Wikipedia did not cover the Terri Schiavo story, and gave links to back that up. I thought perhaps the posters on this thread would be interested in them, as there is a voluminous amount of information there. I then briefly responded to a gratuitous insult, and that was the end of my post. Where in that you find "debate" or a "pro-death agenda" is beyond me.

I have been patient and I have been polite, but it is I who have been on the receiving end of the most personal attacks.. I believe your founder has something to say about that, also.

Best,
Etixos

629 posted on 06/17/2008 9:16:06 AM PDT by Etixos
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To: 8mmMauser
How, then, would you have phrased it?

:Best,
:Etixos

630 posted on 06/17/2008 9:19:37 AM PDT by Etixos
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To: BykrBayb
Why? That's what it is; what would you call it?

Best,
:Etixos

631 posted on 06/17/2008 9:22:20 AM PDT by Etixos
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To: wagglebee

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hksil-KkebQ don’t say I never gave you anything. Wham. Wake Me Up Before You Go Go (Choose Life).


632 posted on 06/17/2008 9:28:25 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( LAUREN RICHARDSON NEEDS YOU. Pls visit www.lifeforlauren.org)
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To: Etixos; Jim Robinson; Lead Moderator; Admin Moderator; 8mmMauser; floriduh voter; wagglebee

Who sent out an engraved invitation to the trolls?


633 posted on 06/17/2008 9:30:11 AM PDT by BykrBayb (www.lifeforlauren.org Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

Well, gee whiz, BB, it is simple as all get out. We are reaching the full moon and Summer Solstice is just about here. With, as I can imagine, ObamaNation casting its spell new agers and old agers and assorted and sundry critters will cavort. We have to be careful not to trip over them.


634 posted on 06/17/2008 9:50:46 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
More stuff on the RINOvirus outbreak in Colorado in a thread by LesforLife.

A Colorado anti-abortion group that wasn't allowed to set up a display table at the state Republican convention blasted party chairman Dick Wadhams on Monday, saying he is trying to drag the party "to the left."

Colorado Right to Life President Joe Riccobono warned Republicans that by shunning their conservative base, they're headed for "another election catastrophe in November."....

Anti-abortion group rips state GOP chairman

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635 posted on 06/17/2008 10:13:43 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
And lest we forget...


636 posted on 06/17/2008 10:17:07 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Etixos

I apologize if I misinterpreted what you said.

The FACT remains that while Wikipedia may be a good source of general information on centuries-old historical events, their coverage of contemporary events is decidedly leftist.


637 posted on 06/17/2008 10:27:45 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: All; wagglebee; BykrBayb; repubmom; Sun; floriduh voter; Dante3; Lesforlife
Ping to this prayer thread for our troops in danger.

Dear Family and Friends, I am writing to you today with a sense of urgency. I am asking that you pray for myself, my unit, and all coalition forces. Some of you may have heard through the news that the Taliban recently had a prison break in Kandahar City. Those reports are accurate.........

Urgent Prayer Request from Soldier in Afghanistan

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638 posted on 06/17/2008 11:50:30 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Prayers!


639 posted on 06/17/2008 11:53:59 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: 8mmMauser

“RINOvirus outbreak” nails it, and if you don’t mind, I think I’ll steal that phrase from time to time.


640 posted on 06/17/2008 6:29:25 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

Please use it but don’t catch it!

;-)


641 posted on 06/18/2008 2:20:06 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Sam Golubchuk update...

As it develops, Mr. Golubchuk will not be left alone as the disappointed killers stomp out of the building. And those who had counted on the killing team to care for them will get care, as well, and maybe even live longer as a result, my speculation.

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The Winnipeg Regional Health Authority has found a doctor willing to be Samuel Golubchuk's physician of record.

The WRHA hopes an agreement reached yesterday with the doctor will put an end to the parade of resignations recently at the Grace Hospital's intensive care unit, where a court order requires doctors to keep Golubchuk, 84, on life support in spite of medical advice.

SCHEDULED ROTATIONS

"There will be one attending physician of record and two others to support that role," a spokeswoman for the WRHA said yesterday. "Others can continue with their scheduled rotations." The spokeswoman said discussions about returning to work were ongoing yesterday between the WRHA and the three physicians who resigned their privileges at the Grace ICU over the past month in the wake of the Golubchuk controversy.

Golubchuk's children were granted a court injunction late last year to keep their Orthodox Jewish father on life support until a hearing could be set to decide his fate. Although doctors have determined Golubchuk has no hope of ever leaving the ICU alive, his children have argued taking him off life support would violate his religious beliefs.

The hearing is set for September.

Health Minister Theresa Oswald said yesterday she is concerned about the situation but will not interfere, as the Manitoba Law Reform Commission decided in 2003 end of life decisions should be left to the courts and to the College of Physicians and Surgeons -- not politicians.

Oswald said she has been assured no patient's care has been compromised as a result of the situation and she understands emotions are running high on both sides.

"I don't think there's anybody involved in this situation right now that doesn't have a broken heart," she said.

WRHA finds doc willing to care for Golubchuk

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642 posted on 06/18/2008 2:30:42 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; floriduh voter; amdgmary
Referred by the Schindler's on Lifeline Radio Show...

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Welcome to Joni and Friends. Joni Eareckson Tada founded the ministry in 1979 to communicate the gospel and equip Christ-honoring churches worldwide to evangelize and disciple people affected by disabilities.

Today's Scripture

Here is today's selection of scripture and verse chosen by Joni Eareckson Tada:

“Although the Lord gives you the bread of adversity and the water of affliction, your teacher will be hidden no more; with your own eyes you will see them.”
— Isaiah 30:20
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643 posted on 06/18/2008 2:38:16 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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More about Sam Golubchuk...

Not all are pleased about the departure of the honored killers from the facility. To be fair, this article tries a bit of balance. Perhaps supporters will raise the threat that the facility may be forced to rely on the SIDS group, the Sudden Instant Death Syndrome wiseguy specialists. The danger will be death that smarts just a bit more. Well, here it is...

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Samuel Golubchuk is 84 and barely alive, by any definition. He should not be having another birthday before Manitoba's Court of Queen's Bench begins pondering whether he should be taken off life supports. Three doctors have refused to accept shifts at a Winnipeg hospital's critical-care unit because they object to having to treat a man they believe should not be kept minimally alive. If more doctors follow, Grace Hospital may be forced to close the unit. Seven months is too long a wait for a court hearing from the time the court ordered the hospital to keep Mr. Golubchuk alive pending the hearing.

The case involves an unsettled area of law. While the right to be taken off life supports has long been established, the right to demand life supports for vegetative patients does not exist. Mr. Golubchuk's family argues that his Orthodox Jewish beliefs require that his ventilator and tube feeding not be disconnected. But if he is all but brain-dead, an accommodation of their religious beliefs is far-fetched. Accommodation does not create a right; it allows for the exercise of an existing right.......

Expedite the hearing

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644 posted on 06/18/2008 2:50:06 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Still more on Mr. Golubchuk...

Whether by trial and error, things will move up, according to this account because the first killer stomped out in tantrum.

WINNIPEG — The trial in the case of an elderly Orthodox Jewish man whom doctors have wanted to remove from life support since last fall is being moved forward at the request of the hospital where he is being treated.

Chief Justice Marc Monnin of the Court of Queen’s Bench has granted a motion by Grace Hospital to move the trial in the case of Sam Golubchuk, 84, ahead to Sept. 15 from Nov. 24 – which would have been almost one year after his family initially obtained an injunction against removing Golubchuk from life support.

The hospital had asked the court for an earlier trial because one of its intensive care specialists, Dr. Anand Kumar, quit rather than continue to treat Golubchuk......

Court orders earlier trial in life support case

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645 posted on 06/18/2008 2:57:59 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Karen Weber update...

From the Dakota Voice, Carrie K. Hutchens...

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Terri Schiavo's world became one of isolation at the hands of her husband. He made the decisions of who could visit her, if any at all could at any given time. He made the decisions of what therapy she might receive, though he came to reject any therapy at all. He made the decisions about any stimulation that touched her day, including whether the curtains would be open or closed or even a sound of music or voice to touch her moment.

The husband of Terri Schiavo did not see her as a human being, especially after he found Jody and fathered children with her, it would seem. Yes, it would seem that after Jody and the money entered the picture that Terri Schiavo suddenly became a "vegetable", rather than the "wife" that Michael Schiavo was going to faithfully take care of for the rest of her life. (No hint given that he was going to shorten that life from a natural span of time to an ordained and court ordered forced ending of her life when he was seeking the settlement. Of course, that would have limited, or excluded, the initial court awarded judgment, would it not?)

With thoughts of Terri in mind, I do wonder about Karen Weber.

I know that Raymond Weber is supposed to have said that he didn't want his case to turn into a Schiavo one. And that means?

Does that mean that Karen Weber is being afforded every opportunity of recovery no matter how big or small the effort?

Is she receiving time?

Is she receiving therapy?

Is she receiving comfort and encouragement from family and friends?

Is she receiving stimulation to jump start those recovery cells?

Or ... is she laying there often alone, unless or until her husband, the court, or some appointed person decides that she has a right to the comfort of family and friends and the encouragement of hope and effort by medical and therapy staff (as well) to make her better?

It will be the actions that tells us, one and all, whether Karen Weber is being given a fair chance at recovery, or still another Terri Schiavo in the making. Indeed it shall be! Indeed, the world shall be watching both today and tomorrow!

Karen Weber: Another Terri Schiavo or Not?

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646 posted on 06/18/2008 3:02:32 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
A remarkable story, predictably under reported, in a thread by wagglebee...

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Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Norma McCorvey, the former Jane Roe of the infamous Roe v. Wade Supreme Court case that ushered in an era of unlimited abortions, has just finished making her first-ever television commercial. McCorvey, who became pro-life over a decade ago, hopes the commercial will change hearts and minds on abortion.

In the new commercial, produced by the pro-life firm VirtueMedia, McCorvey speaks out against abortion and denounces the limited role she had in the high court case.

She talks about the way activist lawyers used her divorce case to promote their pro-abortion agenda.

"Back in 1973, I was a very confused twenty-one year old with one child and facing an unplanned pregnancy," she explains in the ad. "At the time I fought to obtain a legal abortion, but truth be told, I have three daughters and never had an abortion."

After a Christian conversion in 1995, McCorvey began making her newfound pro-life views known...........

Norma McCorvey of Roe v. Wade Abortion Case Makes First Pro-Life TV Ad

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647 posted on 06/18/2008 3:28:32 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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PP on RU 486 in a thread by wagglebee...

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Another study suggests Planned Parenthood is at fault in the deaths of women in the United States from the abortion drug RU 486. The abortion business had been telling women to use the drug in a different way than the FDA guidelines suggested and the study shows it contributed to the deaths.

So far, eight women have died from the use of the abortion drug, including women going to Planned Parenthood abortion centers in California.

Planned Parenthood had been telling women to use the abortion drug vaginally, even though the FDA indicated oral use is safer for women....

Another Study Suggests Planned Parenthood at Fault in Abortion Drug Deaths

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648 posted on 06/18/2008 3:33:13 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Sad Pig in Floods story. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080618/ap_on_re_us/midwest_floods_shot_pigs


649 posted on 06/18/2008 6:45:44 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( LAUREN RICHARDSON NEEDS YOU. Pls visit www.lifeforlauren.org)
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To: 8mmMauser

Joni is an artist. I wonder if her paintings are on the internet.


650 posted on 06/18/2008 7:19:24 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( LAUREN RICHARDSON NEEDS YOU. Pls visit www.lifeforlauren.org)
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