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Former Republican [Bob Barr] to seek Libertarian presidential nomination
CNN ^ | 5-8-2008 | CNN

Posted on 05/08/2008 11:13:54 AM PDT by jmc813

Former Republican Rep. Bob Barr will announce Monday that he will run for president as a Libertarian, a source close to the Georgian told CNN.

Barr will officially declare his candidacy at a news conference at the National Press Club in Washington. The four-term congressman left the GOP in 2006, saying that Republicans had "lost their core principles."

Barr made a name for himself in Congress for his ardent conservative philosophy and his role in President Clinton's impeachment. He lost a primary election in 2002.

Last month, Barr formed a presidential exploratory committee as he weighed a run for the White House. The source said that Barr had been considering a presidential bid "for several months. He currently runs Liberty Strategies, a consulting firm in Atlanta and Washington.

Barr joins a handful of other candidates seeking the Libertarian Party's presidential nomination including former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel, who unsuccessfully sought the Democratic presidential nomination this year. Libertarians meet in Denver on May 22 for a four day convention where members will choose the party's presidential nominee.

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To: jmc813
Barr isn't a libertarian, which may even be apparent to the Libertarians in their current state. (He does fit one recent criteria for recent Libertarian candidates -- he has no real job.)

If this fails, maybe he'll get on the same ticket as Ralph Nader.

51 posted on 05/08/2008 12:01:05 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: icwhatudo
How'd that third party thing to stop a lib republican work last time?

Ross Perot ran as a conservative in order to stop a RINO? That's some nice revisionism there. Bush lost because he broke his no new taxes pledge, and lost lot of people. Perot was there to fill in the gap of disaffected voters. Bush has nobody to blame but himself.

52 posted on 05/08/2008 12:01:24 PM PDT by Ron Jeremy
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To: jmc813
including former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel, who unsuccessfully sought the Democratic presidential nomination this year

Gravel too? Does this mean we can look forward to more exciting campaign ads from him?

53 posted on 05/08/2008 12:03:02 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Global Warming Heretic -- http://agw-heretic.blogspot.com)
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To: Ron Jeremy

What would a vote NOT for McCain get us?

Osamabama for president.


54 posted on 05/08/2008 12:07:41 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: Ron Jeremy

I Might vote for him. I know I won’t vote for McPain.


55 posted on 05/08/2008 12:13:21 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: Ron Jeremy
But, in my mind, there is on singular thing that is the worst thing this government has ever EVER done, which is the worst violation of the constitution EVER done, and which is the greatest threat to our freedoms.

That was bad but it has been and could get a lot worse.

In Clinton I, those objecting to halfway houses for druggies and the insane in their neighborhoods were subject to HUD American With Disability Act discrimination actions and potentially huge fines that they had to fight in court. Though they won in the end it was not a sure thing and they still had to spend a lot of time and money in the fight.

Newspapers accepting advertisements including the words "spectacular view" or "walk-in closet" and "master bedroom" were subject to warnings. Why? "Spectacular view" supposedly discriminated against the blind; "walk-in closet" against the handicapped; and "master bedroom" against the descendants of slaves. I am not making this up.

Critics of the Clintons were subject to expensive IRS audits (I speak from first-hand experience).

There was an effort to make wearing religious jewelry in the workplace grounds for some kind of harassment suit.

And, say what you want, McCain did walk tall when it came to the recent attempt to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.

I like Barr but I'm holding my nose and voting for McCain which means I'm going to have to crawl over the broken glass with one arm.

56 posted on 05/08/2008 12:18:23 PM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: Ron Jeremy
Barr will get my vote and money.

I am dropping my support for the GOP...after supporting it as a member for over 36 years I give up on it. There are few conservative voices in the R party anymore. That fact is represented by the many knee pad party hacks that post Republican partisan claptrap at this site these days.

It is odd to see self proclaimed conservatives tout support for our international adventurism all over the world as a winning strategy when disapproval for such is so wide spread...Nearly 7 of 10 Americans oppose our actions in Iraq and the Balkins while reality impaired neo cons continue to insist that the same American people will support the candidate who promises to continue same.

The neo cons and theocons have destroyed the GOP as a vehicle for conservatism and the dialog at this site these days more and more resembles the hateful rhetoric spewed at DU, and is indicative of the same type mental process practiced by liberals. True conservatives will not allow a political party to redefine the principals of conservatism though there is a mighty effort within the GOP to do so. McCain is the poster child for this effort and I for one am not buying into it.

57 posted on 05/08/2008 12:21:18 PM PDT by KDD (Freedom begins between the ears. -- Edward Abbey)
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To: Ron Jeremy

Just don’t complain if you get a President Obama.


58 posted on 05/08/2008 12:23:13 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Ron Jeremy

Barr’s not the only one who “sort of nuts.”

Yeah, you go ahead and vote for someone for President of the United STates whom you regard as “sort of nuts.”


59 posted on 05/08/2008 12:25:27 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: Ron Jeremy

Where does he stand on the “patriot” act and the failed war on some drugs?


60 posted on 05/08/2008 12:25:52 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Lou L

Yep.


61 posted on 05/08/2008 12:26:00 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: MindBender26
What would a vote NOT for McCain get us? Osamabama for president.

Maybe. But I will not vote for someone who wants the Feds to regulate and criminalize political speech. If the GOP has such a person running for President, that is their mistake, not mine.

62 posted on 05/08/2008 12:26:30 PM PDT by Ron Jeremy
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To: A CA Guy
Just don’t complain if you get a President Obama.

Sure I will. It is every American's right to complain about Presidents who are socialists and violate the constitution. If the GOP puts up a bad candidate, that is their problem, not mine. It's not my fault if their bad candidate loses. I am doing my job and voting for the person that I want to win.

63 posted on 05/08/2008 12:29:04 PM PDT by Ron Jeremy
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To: MuttTheHoople

That would be too much like work. It would also validate history and the political party “system.” That’s not what these people want. They just want to moan about how awful things are in our country and claim they are somehow above the herd by voting for pathetic looney losers.


64 posted on 05/08/2008 12:29:26 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: fightinJAG
Yeah, you go ahead and vote for someone for President of the United STates whom you regard as “sort of nuts.”

I'll take a conservative who is sort of nuts over a RINO who isn't any day. Oh, wait, but McCain is really nuts.

65 posted on 05/08/2008 12:29:48 PM PDT by Ron Jeremy
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To: jmc813

And that was wrong how?


66 posted on 05/08/2008 12:30:45 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: KDD

Well said, though I will probably write-in Ron Paul. At least HE is one I can actually vote for without having to hang my head in shame!


67 posted on 05/08/2008 12:31:40 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
People like Pat Buchanan and Bob Barr are conservatives who walk out when their brand of orthodoxy isn’t followed 100%.

And so are the people who vote for them!

68 posted on 05/08/2008 12:31:40 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: alicewonders

Nice show of personal responsibility there, alice.


69 posted on 05/08/2008 12:32:23 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: jmc813

“Is it me or is every Democrat candidate the “most left-wing in history”?”

If McCain is elected then the same statement would be true, wouldn’t it? Wouldn’t he be considered the “most left-wing in history”?


70 posted on 05/08/2008 12:32:23 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron ("Terisn" is my new favorite word. Thank you, Allegra.)
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To: Chickensoup
I distinctly remember hearing this about Gore and Kerry.

Yep. And it was accurate.

And now it's accurate to say it again because, well, Obama and even Clinton are even more left-wing than Gore and Kerry.

So what's your point?

71 posted on 05/08/2008 12:34:02 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: KDD

“I for one am not buying into it.”

I’m not buying into it either.

But we need to have priorities in life, and my priority is preventing Barack Obama from becoming our 44th President.


72 posted on 05/08/2008 12:35:49 PM PDT by devere
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To: devere

“Vote against disaster.”

That’s why I refuse to vote for Clinton, Obama or McCain. They are all disasters.

If people continue to vote for the “lesser-of-two-evils” then they have guaranteed that they are going to get “evil”.


73 posted on 05/08/2008 12:36:59 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron ("Terisn" is my new favorite word. Thank you, Allegra.)
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To: dcwusmc
So a liberal RINO is better than supporting a Conservative/libertarian who might actually succeed at REDUCING the size of FedGov?

You are so kidding on so many levels, right? Right?

To "succeed" at doing anything within the federal government, Barr would first have to have one-one-millionth of a chance of being elected, which he does not.

Then even if he somehow got elected, he would have to have one-one-millionth of a chance of anyone in Congress of either party giving a rat's patooty about what he thinks as a president with absolutely no coat-tails and no party structure, which he does not.

74 posted on 05/08/2008 12:38:16 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: pnh102

If you’re asking that sincerely, I’d just remind you that while the Electoral College determines the winner, the popular vote is still important.

Even in dark blue states, votes matter because they effect the popular vote.


75 posted on 05/08/2008 12:40:26 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: Supercharged Merlin

If you’re right, we should be seeing a groundswell for Barr any minute now.

((crickets))((chirping))


76 posted on 05/08/2008 12:41:17 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: jmc813

No McGovern was the most liberal ever.

But Gore is just plain looney and has not had his feet touch the ground since he left the tobacco farm and zinc mine and Kerry is MA-style liberal..and that’s pretty liberal.


77 posted on 05/08/2008 12:41:21 PM PDT by rod1 (u)
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To: tueffelhunden

Mega Ditto. This conservative ex Navy, ex Texan will never vote for McCain. I think we need to burn down and rebuild the GOP. McCain as POTUS gets us Open Borders and more deals with Kennedy, Feingold, and Lieberman.


78 posted on 05/08/2008 12:42:59 PM PDT by kgrif_Salinas
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To: Tribune7

“And, say what you want, McCain did walk tall when it came to the recent attempt to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.”

Now, let’s see.....

Against the Fairness Doctrine.....

but against political free speech by limiting political donations?

What a study in contradiction!

And you want people to vote for this man?


79 posted on 05/08/2008 12:44:54 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron ("Terisn" is my new favorite word. Thank you, Allegra.)
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To: fightinJAG
And now it's accurate to say it again because, well, Obama and even Clinton are even more left-wing than Gore and Kerry. So what's your point?

The whole boy that cried wolf thing.

80 posted on 05/08/2008 12:45:46 PM PDT by jmc813 (Eek!)
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To: fightinJAG
If you’re asking that sincerely, I’d just remind you that while the Electoral College determines the winner, the popular vote is still important.

Explain, please.

81 posted on 05/08/2008 12:46:42 PM PDT by jmc813 (Eek!)
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To: Ron Jeremy

It’s not your job to vote for a person you “want” to win-—as if your feelings are all that matter in this enterprise.

It’s your job to do what’s right for the country and that requires stopping the greater of two evils by voting for the lesser of the two evils.


82 posted on 05/08/2008 12:47:13 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: Ron Jeremy
Were we about to win something? We snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by spending 30 years working for GOP control of the gov't, only to have W and the congress piss it away on more spending and bigger gov't than the dems ever even dreamed of.

A lot of the spending in the past 6-7 years was directly related to 9/11. If you knew of a better way around that event, perhaps you should run for president.

83 posted on 05/08/2008 12:47:55 PM PDT by Lou L
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To: jmc813
I would have liked it more had he run and won the Constitution Party nomination. Not sure I could vote for him as a Liberaltarian though.

Golf still looks pretty good to me on November 4th.

84 posted on 05/08/2008 12:49:42 PM PDT by ImpBill (Hi, My name is Greg and I am a recovering "R"epublican! And I have recovered into a "r"epublican.)
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To: Ron Jeremy

Just think about how dumb it is to brag about how you will vote for a man for President of the United States when you conclude he is “sort of nuts.” And the fact that he hasn’t got a snowball’s chance in hell of winning only makes matters worse.

You think Barr is “sort of nuts”? So is someone who would vote for someone they think is nuts.

Seems pretty obvious.


85 posted on 05/08/2008 12:49:50 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: KDD

“Nearly 7 of 10 Americans oppose our actions in Iraq”

I now oppose actions in Iraq and Afghanistan but at the time of the initial advances into those countries had a “wait-and-see” attitude to find out if they were going to do it right. They didn’t do it right. Had it been done right then the “Islamic uprising” would already be dead as well as all of the participants.


86 posted on 05/08/2008 12:50:53 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron ("Terisn" is my new favorite word. Thank you, Allegra.)
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To: El Gran Salseron
If people continue to vote for the “lesser-of-two-evils” then they have guaranteed that they are going to get “evil”.

Wrong. If they don't vote for the lesser-of-two-evils, they are guaranteed to get the GREATER of the two evils.

Is that smart?

87 posted on 05/08/2008 12:51:52 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: El Gran Salseron
And you want people to vote for this man?

No. I want people to vote for Obama. Or Bob Barr. Same thing, basically

88 posted on 05/08/2008 12:52:43 PM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: El Gran Salseron
And you want people to vote for this man?

No. I want people to vote for Obama. Or Bob Barr. Same thing, basically

89 posted on 05/08/2008 12:52:46 PM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: jmc813
I would never vote an aclu board member. I would never vote for paranoid anti government extremist who says Americans have damaged by the patriot Act but can't point to any examples. I would never vote for Bob Barr, whom I know personally.
90 posted on 05/08/2008 12:53:04 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: Ron Jeremy

No but I will vote for a Liberal Republican before I would vote for a Libertarian! Losers


91 posted on 05/08/2008 12:54:13 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism is dying. Thank God!)
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To: fightinJAG

“It’s your job to do what’s right for the country and that requires stopping the greater of two evils by voting for the lesser of the two evils.”

I guess I have to repeat my comment in an earlier post”

If people vote for the “lesser-of-two evils” then they have guaranteed that they are going to get “evil”.


92 posted on 05/08/2008 12:56:15 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron ("Terisn" is my new favorite word. Thank you, Allegra.)
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To: jmc813

Someone (you?) posited that since in dark blue states there was no chance that not voting for the Republican would help give the state’s electoral college votes to the Rat, maybe it would be “safe” to vote for Barr as a “protest vote.”

IOW, the idea was that since the Rat was going to win the state’s EC votes anyway, why not vote for a “protest” candidate?

My point was that even though in this situation one’s vote for the Republican would not help the Republican win the state (because the state is too Rat-like), one’s vote still helps determine whether the Republican or Rat wins the NATIONAL popular vote.

Since we heard endlessly last time about how Gore “really” won the election simply because he won the popular vote, it seems to me that unless a person wants to go that far, they should at least consider that their vote for the Republican, even in a state where he has no chance of winning the state, still helps the Republican in the national popular vote.

If the voter cares about such things.


93 posted on 05/08/2008 12:57:42 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: Ron Jeremy

“And then, please spare me the “Well thats ok in theory but “THIS YEAR” its just too important”. Y’all say that every year.”

Yep same old tired argument, just another year.

SSDD I think it’s called.


94 posted on 05/08/2008 12:58:47 PM PDT by tueffelhunden
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To: El Gran Salseron
I guess I have to repeat my comment in an earlier post”

If people vote for the “lesser-of-two evils” then they have guaranteed that they are going to get “evil”.

I guess I have to repeat my reply?

Wrong. If they don't vote for the lesser-of-two-evils, they are guaranteed to get the GREATER of the two evils.

95 posted on 05/08/2008 1:00:44 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: MuttTheHoople
Here's the problem with the Libertarian, Constitution, Conservative, etc. parties....they refuse to build from the bottom-up.

You have a very good point. There are people with elitist mind and attitude in both sides of the spectrum... (although to be fair, there's a strong Conservative Party in NY). These people also want to change the society, only to a different direction from the socialists. Only, the socialists seem to work harder.

96 posted on 05/08/2008 1:02:58 PM PDT by paudio (Michelle Obama: a Typical Black Woman)
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To: fightinJAG

“Is that smart?”

Long-term? Yes. The movement against the GOP is growing. The GOP is dying and the current candidate has assured its death, although slow it may be. Conservatives will one day again be heard.

I can live with the short-term. I think long-term. I don’t think short-term for personal, self-satisfaction.


97 posted on 05/08/2008 1:03:41 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron ("Terisn" is my new favorite word. Thank you, Allegra.)
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To: fightinJAG
You think Barr is “sort of nuts”? So is someone who would vote for someone they think is nuts.

For what it's worth, I don't consider lying naked in a coffin and reciting my sexual history to John Kerry to be exactly sane.

98 posted on 05/08/2008 1:06:54 PM PDT by jmc813 (Eek!)
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To: Lou L
A lot of the spending in the past 6-7 years was directly related to 9/11. If you knew of a better way around that event, perhaps you should run for president.

Yes, but there have been endless studies by Heritage and Cato showing that spending outside of national defense is still way, way up, and there are the new entitlements, etc. The fact is that W and the GOP congress were massive big government spenders. That is why the GOP is hurting now.

99 posted on 05/08/2008 1:07:53 PM PDT by Ron Jeremy
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To: jmaroneps37
I would never vote for paranoid anti government extremist

Last time I checked, being anti-government was kinda the whole point of conservatism.

100 posted on 05/08/2008 1:08:26 PM PDT by jmc813 (Eek!)
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