Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Voter ID Battle Shifts to Proof of Citizenship
NY Times ^ | May 12, 2008 | IAN URBINA

Posted on 05/12/2008 1:21:58 AM PDT by neverdem

The battle over voting rights will expand this week as lawmakers in Missouri are expected to support a proposed constitutional amendment to enable election officials to require proof of citizenship from anyone registering to vote.

The measure would allow far more rigorous demands than the voter ID requirement recently upheld by the Supreme Court, in which voters had to prove their identity with a government-issued card.

Sponsors of the amendment — which requires the approval of voters to go into effect, possibly in an August referendum — say it is part of an effort to prevent illegal immigrants from affecting the political process. Critics say the measure could lead to the disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of legal residents who would find it difficult to prove their citizenship.

Voting experts say the Missouri amendment represents the next logical step for those who have supported stronger voter ID requirements and the next battleground in how elections are conducted. Similar measures requiring proof of citizenship are being considered in at least 19 state legislatures. Bills in Florida, Kansas, Oklahoma and South Carolina have strong support. But only in Missouri does the requirement have a chance of taking effect before the presidential election.

In Arizona, the only state that requires proof of citizenship to register to vote, more than 38,000 voter registration applications have been thrown out since the state adopted its measure in 2004. That number was included in election data obtained through a lawsuit filed by voting rights advocates and provided to The New York Times. More than 70 percent of those registrations came from people who stated under oath that they were born in the United States, the data showed.

Already, 25 states, including Missouri, require some form of identification at the polls. Seven of those states require or can...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: aliens; citizenship; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; photoid; voterfraud; voterid; voting

1 posted on 05/12/2008 1:21:59 AM PDT by neverdem
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: neverdem

It’s about time... proof of citizenship to vote should be federal law, not just state.


2 posted on 05/12/2008 1:40:39 AM PDT by Rafterman ("Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so." - Bertrand Russell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
...tens of thousands of legal residents who would find it difficult to prove their citizenship...

Legal residents aren't citizens.
3 posted on 05/12/2008 1:45:56 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (Delphi for me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

Good, I think they may going for a bridge to far, that a ID requirement is sufficient and Constitutional, but at least they are keeping the issue on the front burner.


4 posted on 05/12/2008 3:35:00 AM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3/Cry havoc and let slip the RINOS)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: spectre; truthkeeper; processing please hold; antceecee; navymom1; jaredt112; Edgerunner; ...

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
This is a ping list promoting Immigration Enforcement and Congressional Reform.
If you wish to be added or removed from this ping list, please contact me.

McCain and La Raza/The Race: A “serious lapse of judgment”

"Border Patrol To Get Taste Of Woman Power" (Tough women to be deployed)

We Need a Surge in Our Domestic Moral War

Tim O'Hare wins Farmers Branch mayor's race, but hardline anti-immigration candidates fail in other cities

Jamiel Shaw Event - Report and Pictures

Employers say migration law burden unfairly placed[favor amnesty]

Back Off Cuellar tells legislators immigration reform is strictly a federal matter[Texas]

Locke High School in South Los Angeles locked down after huge brawl

ICE: Law Doesn't Bar Illegals from College

Hundreds Involved In Fight At South L.A. High School

John McCain gets away with his slippery, open-borders talk again

Shuler: McCain blocked immigration bill

McCain's chosen candidate loses AZ State Party Election; Conservative Randy Pullen Wins

Acting chief of Mexico's federal police shot dead in capital (Note To Open Borders Crowd)

Douglas girl, 11, two months pregnant

Father who abused children plans to appeal 14 life sentences

Missouri Voter ID - Mo. voters may decide on photo ID requirement

FBI: Rochester NY Stores Front for Funding Terrorists

Ball ready to roll, faces illegal immigrant activist

Plaque Dedicated in Memory of Slain Athlete Jamiel Shaw (video)

Would John McCain be America's first Mexican president?

Anti-illegal immigration group wants San Diego highway sign

5 posted on 05/12/2008 4:47:18 AM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
In Arizona, the only state that requires proof of citizenship to register to vote, more than 38,000 voter registration applications have been thrown out since the state adopted its measure in 2004. That number was included in election data obtained through a lawsuit filed by voting rights advocates and provided to The New York Times. More than 70 percent of those registrations came from people who stated under oath that they were born in the United States, the data showed.

How can anybody look at the denial of these 38,000 voter registrations as anything other than an unalloyed good?

6 posted on 05/12/2008 4:47:57 AM PDT by gridlock (The natural state of the world is Darfur. The freakish aberration is America - - Ann Coulter)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem
In Arizona, the only state that requires proof of citizenship to register to vote, more than 38,000 voter registration applications have been thrown out since the state adopted its measure in 2004. That number was included in election data obtained through a lawsuit filed by voting rights advocates and provided to The New York Times. More than 70 percent of those registrations came from people who stated under oath that they were born in the United States, the data showed.

It would be nice if the state made a rigorous investigation into that 70% -- and vigorously prosecute anybody who lied

7 posted on 05/12/2008 4:50:33 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ComputerGuy
Legal residents aren't citizens

That's a damn good point.

8 posted on 05/12/2008 4:55:01 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: bcsco

Thanks bcsco


9 posted on 05/12/2008 4:58:07 AM PDT by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Guenevere

My pleasure :)


10 posted on 05/12/2008 5:15:55 AM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: gridlock
That 38,000 wasn't illegal.

It was because a new registration form was adopted, but everyone was submitting the old form, and the old form was rejected. The problem was made worse because they were tardy in getting the new form out.

11 posted on 05/12/2008 6:24:35 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

About time!


12 posted on 05/12/2008 6:29:17 AM PDT by Paige ("Facts are stubborn things." President Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ben Ficklin

Well, there is no excuse for incompetence.

The state should efficiently register every citizen who applies to vote.


13 posted on 05/12/2008 6:33:45 AM PDT by gridlock (The natural state of the world is Darfur. The freakish aberration is America - - Ann Coulter)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: gridlock

It is hard to call them incompetent when the form they picked up at the Post Office was the wrong one.


14 posted on 05/12/2008 6:40:28 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Ben Ficklin

I’m sorry, your facts don’t fit our agenda.


15 posted on 05/12/2008 6:49:47 AM PDT by kc8ukw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

Of one thing I am certain: anyone who’s been through the naturalization process is going to protect those U.S. citizenship documents as if they were inscribed on 24K gold.

What’s more, naturalized citizens are encourged to vote (and provided voting registration apps) AS THEY EXIT THEIR NATURALIZATION CEREMONY.

Finally, naturalized citizens are also encouraged to immediately obtain a U.S. passport and to carry their voter registration at all times. Why? Because both prove U.S. citizenship; they’re both easily replaced at not too much cost if lost;, and because getting a new naturalization certificate costs $400.00 and takes about a year.

Anyone who claims a naturalized citizen is unaware of these “tips” and is inconvenience by having to obtain proof of citizenship is lying through their teeth.


16 posted on 05/12/2008 6:53:12 AM PDT by angkor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Puppage; ComputerGuy
ComputerGuy not only makes an excellent point, he makes a key point.

Proof of citizenship?

Birth certificates have been issued by every state for more than a century? Those who don't have them can write in for them for an average price of two packs of smokes.

Naturalization certificates? Same thing.

If you are a legal resident who is not a citizen, it might cost you double that to replace your lost paperwork which allows you to remain in the country legally.

If ACORN is so concerned that their people can't afford this, all they need to do is call their buddy George Soros to write a check. But for some odd reason, it is easier to go to court and cry wolf.

17 posted on 05/12/2008 6:54:39 AM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: gridlock

I’ve actually had leftists argue that non-citizens/illegals should vote because they have a stake in the outcome of elections.


18 posted on 05/12/2008 6:57:14 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Vigilanteman

The ACORN guy wrote into the WSJ last week (Friday maybe) decrying the USSC Indiana voter ID ruling,

once again stating that there isn’t any problem with vote fraud and that this would cause undue hardship for those who should vote.

Cry me a river. ACORN has been indicted, if not convicted, of fraudulent registrations already, and everyone who does anything in our society has an ID.


19 posted on 05/12/2008 6:59:47 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

You can get a certified copy of a birth certificate off the internet, if you know certain facts like Mother’s maiden name, date and place of birth. I’ve done it for myself several times. What these certificates DON’T have are baby’s footprints. Possession of a birth certificate is no guarantee of citizenship or identity.


20 posted on 05/12/2008 7:03:42 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("He wasn't scared of the Shogun, but the Shogun was scared of him.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MrB

voter fraud should cause an immediate loss of 501(c)(3) status.


21 posted on 05/12/2008 7:09:21 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Vigilanteman
If ACORN is so concerned that their people can't afford this, all they need to do is call their buddy George Soros to write a check. But for some odd reason, it is easier to go to court and cry wolf.

That's how we know that the leftists' anti-ID agenda is bullcrap. For a pittance (covered by donations), their volunteers could assist the poor and downtrodden in writing to the appropriate bureaucracy to obtain a birth certificate. It's not hard to do, and even the notoriously corrupt and inefficient Peoples' Republic of Maryland managed (in 2003) to get me a new birth cert in about 2 weeks time.

22 posted on 05/12/2008 7:21:49 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Ben Ficklin
It is hard to call them incompetent when the form they picked up at the Post Office was the wrong one.

Sorry, I should have been more specific. I understand your point. I was referring to incompetence on the part of the state.

23 posted on 05/12/2008 7:27:28 AM PDT by gridlock (The natural state of the world is Darfur. The freakish aberration is America - - Ann Coulter)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: MrB
I’ve actually had leftists argue that non-citizens/illegals should vote because they have a stake in the outcome of elections.

I have heard that argument as well, but I reject it, of course. If these non-citizen/illegals want to vote, they can become legal citizens first!

24 posted on 05/12/2008 7:30:16 AM PDT by gridlock (The natural state of the world is Darfur. The freakish aberration is America - - Ann Coulter)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: gridlock

I thought it was such a ridiculous argument that I dismiss it out of hand as an example of moonbattery.


25 posted on 05/12/2008 8:01:52 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: ArrogantBustard; MrB

In a sane world, ACORN would have their tax exempt status withdrawn, all of their voter registrations canceled and be indicted under the RICO statues.


26 posted on 05/12/2008 8:32:32 AM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Vigilanteman
In a sane world,

BBBBWWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

ROFL!!!!!!!

Wheeeeeewwwww!!!!

< Breathe, Bustard ..... >

Whew ....

Sanity absconded for parts unknowns years ago ...

27 posted on 05/12/2008 8:37:05 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: MrB

I’ve known a couple people here illegally claiming that they should have the right to vote because the outcome of the US elections affects the world. One of them claimed that he didn’t want to be a US citizen though as he liked to travel and he wouldn’t feel comfortable traveling on a US passport.


28 posted on 05/12/2008 8:48:54 AM PDT by DancesWithBolsheviks (We're all mavericks now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: DancesWithBolsheviks

It’s no wonder we don’t get along with the left.

Their thought processes are as f’d up as a pile of clothes hangers.


29 posted on 05/12/2008 9:12:58 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


30 posted on 05/12/2008 11:22:35 AM PDT by gubamyster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gridlock
The state should efficiently register every citizen who applies to vote.

Flicken is and unabashedly open borders advocate.

31 posted on 05/12/2008 11:30:23 AM PDT by itsahoot (Global Government is coming because, I guess we want it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Puppage
Legal residents aren't citizens

That's a damn good point.

A really big issue here in California. In addition to the massive illegal alien presence in Los Angeles and the Central Valley, we have significant numbers of LPR's here, and H1-B's.

Predictably, they are agitating for the vote. And of course the Leftists want them to get it, because we all know what they will do with it: vote to confiscate money and property from Americans to give to themselves.

San Francisco (of course) is already running the "well lets just let them vote for the school board" bit. This is just incrementalism designed to get the nose under the tent - next it'll be local officials, then county, then....voting for the entire world, whoever happens to have just slithered into the country.

A citizenship test is now plausible because the Arizona law was upheld. Now we'll see if the Republicans in California have the guts to do anything like that.

32 posted on 05/12/2008 12:34:25 PM PDT by Regulator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: ComputerGuy
Legal residents aren't citizens.

Excellent point.

33 posted on 05/12/2008 12:37:40 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: gubamyster

Bttt!


34 posted on 05/12/2008 4:43:42 PM PDT by TheLion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Regulator

I think things are pretty much past whatever the Republicans have the guts for. Just a matter of being able to count the votes as they exist on the ground today ... not a few years down the road, but right here and now.

Back in 1994, when prop. 187 passed, things were different. We could say then “hey, if we don’t do something right now, we’re going to have a big problem in five or ten years.” Well, the ‘Rat governor, and a Clinton-appointed Judge managed to gut 187, and guess what? All of the chicken littles of 1994 turned out to be right — we have a big problem, and no longer have the electoral ability to change course.

Now, the current debate in Sacramento is about the exact issue you mention: how to raise taxes on the remaining productive citizens, in order to shower benefits on the lefty voters. Heck of a mess, but danged if I can figure a way out of it at this point.


35 posted on 05/12/2008 5:07:02 PM PDT by absalom01 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


36 posted on 05/13/2008 12:26:56 AM PDT by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
President Apostate?

Pelosi's Blue Lapdogs Fail us on FISA

The asbestos ‘game’ exposed at last RICO needed badly!

NYT Editorial - Rethinking Ethanol

From time to time, I’ll ping on noteworthy articles about politics, foreign and military affairs. FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

37 posted on 05/13/2008 1:32:54 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

thanks neverdem.

Democrats want to shut down ID effort:
GOP moves to add photo ID requirement to vote(Missouri)
The Springfield News-Leader | May 11, 2008 | David Lieb
Posted on 05/11/2008 9:23:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2014650/posts


38 posted on 05/13/2008 9:04:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping.


39 posted on 05/13/2008 12:53:09 PM PDT by GOPJ (The "thug-way": Hillary won't drop out until Obama accepts her as VP - then the real horror starts.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson