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Economy kept [Detroit Red] Wings' seats empty
The (Montreal) Gazette ^ | May 13, 2008 | Pat Hickey

Posted on 05/13/2008 8:10:41 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

It's the economy, stupid.

Political strategist James Carville made that statement the focal point of Bill Clinton's successful run for the U.S. Presidency in 1992, but those words could also be directed at Hockey Night in Canada's guru of misinformation, Donald S. Cherry.

In rants on HNIC and ESPN, Cherry talked about the empty seats at Joe Louis Arena for Game 1 of the Dallas Stars-Detroit Red Wings series and blamed the decline in attendance on the Red Wings' style of play.

"The people hate the way the game is being played," Cherry said. "It's a redneck town, they love the banging and smashing. Don't say it's the economy because the Lions are selling out, the Pistons are selling out and the Tigers set a record in baseball, so it's not that. They like rock 'em, sock 'em hockey and they're not getting it."

Well Don, anyone who knows anything about what's happening in Detroit knows that it is the economy and the next time you go on a rant, you should check your facts.

For starters, Cherry's wrong when he talks about the relative success of the Red Wings and the other teams in Detroit.

It's true that, after years of playing to sellout-plus crowds during the regular season, the Red Wings' average attendance fell to 18,912 fans a game this season. But it still ranked seventh in total attendance in the NHL and played to 94.2 per cent of capacity.

By comparison, the NFL Lions last season sold 94.3 per cent of their available tickets and the baseball Tigers are running at 90.3 per cent of capacity this season with considerably cheaper tickets. The Pistons are doing better. They have sold out every game for nearly six consecutive seasons. But they don't play in Detroit. Their arena is located in a more affluent suburb.

The Detroit area has lost tens of thousands of jobs in the auto industry during the past decade. It had the highest unemployment rate in the U.S. for the past three years and the highest rate of home foreclosures each year since 2005.

Cherry would like people to think that he's one of the common folk but, when you're making twice as much money as the prime minister of Canada, you forget there are a lot of people in Detroit who can't plop down $2,000 for hockey tickets like his affluent friends in London.

Note from a music lover: Quebec nationalist publisher Michel Brûlé and I may not be on the same wavelength politically, but I agree with his complaint that there's too much English music being played during hockey games at the Bell Centre.

If you go to most arenas across North America, you hear the same music. It's occasionally racist, sexist or in bad taste, but the one common denominator is that it's loud.

But there are some exceptions. Go to Halifax or St. John's and you hear folk music that reflects the local heritage. Ditto for Nashville, which draws on its country heritage. It's ironic that, while George Gillett has expanded the range of shows at the Bell Centre and other venues to include more French acts, the breaks in the hockey games continue to be dominated by a playlist drawn up in New York.

Canadiens sign White: Ryan White, a 6-foot, 213-pound forward from the Calgary Hitmen, has signed a standard, three-year, entry-level contract with the Canadiens. A third-round draft choice in 2006, the Canadiens had to sign him before June 1 or he would have gone back in the draft.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: nhl
Canadian columnist in a snit because Don Cherry doesn't like non-contact sports.
1 posted on 05/13/2008 8:10:41 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: fanfan
For your list.

Hitler reacts to the Canucks missing the playoffs.

2 posted on 05/13/2008 8:12:41 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Hmm, I thought it had to do with global warming.


3 posted on 05/13/2008 8:14:25 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: 1rudeboy; airborne; Hat-Trick
Pat Hickey should steer clear of a confrontation with Don Cherry. Grapes will clean his clock! LOL
Chery now on ESPN doing commentary......
4 posted on 05/13/2008 8:15:57 AM PDT by scott says
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To: 1rudeboy

Economy kept Wings’ seats empty..........

It’s not because they suck?


5 posted on 05/13/2008 8:19:32 AM PDT by angcat (Indian name "She who yells too much")
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To: 1rudeboy

“but I agree with his complaint that there’s too much English music being played during hockey games at the Bell Centre. If you go to most arenas across North America, you hear the same music. It’s occasionally racist, sexist or in bad taste,”

I’m sure this sensitive liberal whould love it if they played some Anne Murray and Celine Dion at the hockey games.


6 posted on 05/13/2008 8:20:20 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: 1rudeboy

Absolutely. The Pistons charge far less for playoff tickets. It’s often commented upon in Michigan that for two people to go to a game, it’s at least around $200 for the tickets, and then there’s parking and food, etc.


7 posted on 05/13/2008 8:21:27 AM PDT by PCBMan (We hit a snag when the universe imploded. But Dad seemed cautiously optimistic.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Hockey Ticket prices in general are just too pricey... When your “cheap seats” are $50 and up, during the regular season you aren’t pricing yourself for the masses, pure and simple.


8 posted on 05/13/2008 8:26:05 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: 1rudeboy

OMG that is one funny/sick clip.


9 posted on 05/13/2008 8:26:42 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: 1rudeboy

oh god I’m crying. Canadian humor at its best.


10 posted on 05/13/2008 8:26:54 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: 1rudeboy

Ever since the Red Wings started winning regularly, their prices shot up and tickets became nearly impossible for an average schmuck like me to get. (you have to KNOW somebody...)

The Tigers, on the other hand, have been lousy for so long, their prices have stayed low and have even dropped some. And you don’t have to be a corporate exec. to get them. On a nice day I can take the kids down and enjoy watching somebody whoop the Tigers while we eat our hot dogs and peanuts...


11 posted on 05/13/2008 8:29:13 AM PDT by J40000
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To: angcat

Every Play-off Game is “sold-out”. People didn’t go because they suck.


12 posted on 05/13/2008 8:30:29 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: angcat

I don’t like games where the neutral zone trap kills the offense. However, I love games where there is lots of shooting, but low scoring (in other words, spectacular goaltending with a couple of clankers off of the posts thrown in). Some hard hitting is good, too.


13 posted on 05/13/2008 8:34:45 AM PDT by yawningotter
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To: 1rudeboy

I did not know that people go to Hockey games for the music!!!


14 posted on 05/13/2008 8:35:04 AM PDT by rod1
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To: angcat

You mean the fans right?

they sure do


15 posted on 05/13/2008 8:42:22 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: 1rudeboy

Don`t know if it`s the ticket price or not but

I do know this is the fastest team I`ve seen since

the Oilers of the 80`s with the likes of Gretzky, Kurri,

Coffey who made other teams look like they were skating

in slush.

The Red Wings are exciting and amazing to watch. The

team is playing at a whole...nutha...level.


16 posted on 05/13/2008 8:42:52 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: 1rudeboy

I’ve loved hockey ever since I was a little kid. I now live within 50 miles of Detroit. But I wouldn’t ever consdier going to a Red Wings game because they play at Joe Louis Arena, and I’d never know if my car was going to be intact when I got back to it. Sorry, but THAT’s the truth.


17 posted on 05/13/2008 8:47:22 AM PDT by Supercharged Merlin (The way to take money out of politics is to take the politics out of money !)
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To: 1rudeboy; grellis

Let’s export Michigan’s economy to the rest of the nation and elect a Dem President to go along with the D legislature.


18 posted on 05/13/2008 8:48:05 AM PDT by CSM (Kakistocracy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.)
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To: Supercharged Merlin

Nah, if you park in the garage you’re ok. Just budget an additional 90 minutes to get out of it after the game. Big cooler of beer worked for me.


19 posted on 05/13/2008 8:48:58 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: wallcrawlr

finally gave up on insulting the team.. now your coming after the fans? :P


20 posted on 05/13/2008 8:49:38 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ( Detroit: we're so bad, even our mayor is a criminal)
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To: CSM

Ugghhhh... I think your nightmarish assessment is too close to reality.


21 posted on 05/13/2008 8:50:06 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: tflabo

Don’t worry, even with a D in the White House and a D controllled legislature, it will still be Bushchimpyhitler’s fault!


22 posted on 05/13/2008 8:52:45 AM PDT by CSM (Kakistocracy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.)
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To: J40000

I’m not sure of the situation in Detroit. Do they bump-up the prices to season ticket holders for playoff tickets? If so, what is the premium that they get per ticket?

Just a general comment. Philadelphia used to be a rabid hockey town back before the new arena got build. Now the ticket prices are so high that you attract the more sedate, late-arriving, corporate crowd. That’s pretty much the case in any NHL/NBA town.


23 posted on 05/13/2008 8:58:01 AM PDT by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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To: massgopguy

I was just being sarcastic.


24 posted on 05/13/2008 8:58:57 AM PDT by angcat (Indian name "She who yells too much")
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To: Tallguy
Now the ticket prices are so high that you attract the more sedate, late-arriving, corporate crowd.

Ain't that the truth. Whereas the standing-room ticket holders arrive more than a hour early to claim their spots.

No place for that in sport, anymore, so the arenas have to pump in crowd noise over the loudspeaker system.

25 posted on 05/13/2008 9:02:29 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

That never gets old.


26 posted on 05/13/2008 9:09:14 AM PDT by hc87
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To: 1rudeboy

Let me get this right ...

The Pistons ARE selling out their arena; and the Lions, Tigers & Wings are all at 90% plus. Yet somehow the article is attempting to make the case that the economy is killing ticket sales???

How may restaurants fill 90% of their tables every night? How many grocery stores have 90% of their lines open? How many airlines fly with planes 90% full? These business can’t do it in a great economy. Imagine doing this in Detroit, Michigan, where the unions and leftist politicians have KILLED an economy.

Puh-leeze!

(oh yeah, and “Grapes” is right ... hockey fans everywhere prefer “rock-em, sock-em” to the Ice Capades ... not just in Detroit.)


27 posted on 05/13/2008 9:13:46 AM PDT by Be Free
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To: angcat

Evidenced by where they stand in the play-offs!

Watch lately?


28 posted on 05/13/2008 9:30:07 AM PDT by jp3 ("Who cares what entertainers think about international affairs." Johnny Carson, Dec. 1967)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Ditto Para!


29 posted on 05/13/2008 9:30:58 AM PDT by jp3 ("Who cares what entertainers think about international affairs." Johnny Carson, Dec. 1967)
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To: massgopguy
"hockeytown" ??? pffft
30 posted on 05/13/2008 9:32:45 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: absolootezer0

the 1 or 2 that show up for games at least


31 posted on 05/13/2008 9:32:48 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: jp3

No I don’t watch. I was just poking my nose in a thread were it does not belong.


32 posted on 05/13/2008 10:07:10 AM PDT by angcat (Indian name "She who yells too much")
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If you would like to be added or dropped from the Michigan ping list, please freepmail me.

JMO, but Wings tickets ahve always been too expensive. We only go if we get freebies from someone.

33 posted on 05/13/2008 10:18:00 AM PDT by grellis (By order of the Ingham County Sheriff this tag has been seized for nonpayment of taxes)
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To: angcat

“Economy kept Wings’ seats empty..........It’s not because they suck?”

Are you talking about the Detroit Red Wings? THEY suck?

are you kidding?


34 posted on 05/13/2008 10:30:03 AM PDT by cowtowney
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To: cowtowney

are you kidding?

Yes


35 posted on 05/13/2008 10:44:48 AM PDT by angcat (Indian name "She who yells too much")
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To: 1rudeboy

Here are Stars’ attendance figures for the playoff games in Dallas:

In the series against the Ducks:
Game 3: 18,532 (100.0% full)
Game 4: 18,532 (100.0% full)
Game 6: 18,532 (100.0% full)

In the series against the Sharks:
Game 3: 18,532 (100.0% full)
Game 4: 18,584 (100.3% full)
Game 6: 18,532 (100.0% full)

In the conference finals against Red Wings:
Game 3: 18,532 (100.0% full)

Attendance is DEFINITELY not down in Dallas.

And while I didn’t check the Wings attendance figures for the first two rounds, attendance for games 1 and 2 of the conference finals: 20,066 (100.0% full)


36 posted on 05/13/2008 12:44:03 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: angcat

Beeeee careful, that’s my team and they can skate:)!!

Go Wings!


37 posted on 05/13/2008 12:56:38 PM PDT by roses of sharon ( (Who will be McCain's maverick?))
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To: cowtowney

wings fans....

almost as annoying as packers fans


38 posted on 05/13/2008 1:50:10 PM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: 1rudeboy; GMMAC; Clive; exg; kanawa; conniew; backhoe; -YYZ-; Former Proud Canadian; Squawk 8888; ..
Really funny, politically incorrect, good comedy, for those who can appreciate it.

I LMHO 1rudeboy.
Thanks.


39 posted on 05/13/2008 4:16:39 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: grellis

My understanding ‘bout all that pertaines to where “engineering” is was custimarily performed in days gone by.

From what I understand “engineering” was done exclusively “back of the envelope” in titty bars, blowing-alleys, and sports arenas.

It was my exquisite pleasure to attend a Red Wings game in the Siemens box. I’m not going to elaborate what a guesxt of a DCX engineer enjoyed, but the following exchange stuck in my mind:

“Thank you for coming.”

“Yeah it was a great time.”

“We’d appreciate your business.”

“Yeah, well, when yuo guys can come up with a plastic that can withstand the environmental conditions of the interior of an exhaust manifold, give me a call.”

I was stunned.


40 posted on 05/13/2008 10:52:04 PM PDT by raygun (24.14% of the Voting Age Population elected Slick (The Cigar) Willey to a second term.)
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To: Para-Ord.45
But most likely they're gonna hafta go up against the RED HOT Pens in the final. They might just get kicked back a level.

prisoner6

41 posted on 05/14/2008 2:00:12 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the Left fall out.)
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To: 1rudeboy
1. We all like Don Cherry up here. Many of us here in Eastern Michigan get CBC out of our neighbor to the South, Windsor. (Windsor is South of Detroit). While our first choice is the local broadcasters Ken Daniels and Mickey Redmond, when we have a choice between a Wings game on VS/ESPN/NBC or CBC, most of us will watch CBC. They cover the game better. The ratings for CBC when the wings play is higher than it is for the national American announcers for a good reason. VS coverage sucks.

2. The economy though is a problem. I don't have $80 extra to spend on a playoff Wings ticket in the upper bowl.

42 posted on 05/20/2008 11:29:55 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: Darren McCarty

Edit that - Make that $160 for tickets (2 tickets).


43 posted on 05/20/2008 11:32:26 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: Darren McCarty

I couldn’t stomach Dave Strader and Mickey Redmond. Redmond, especially. My friends that were hard-core fans said I was being irrational, and I probably was. But I used to watch the games on the TV with the sound off and listen to the radio broadcast.


44 posted on 05/20/2008 2:53:46 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Many, many moons ago, I paid $25 to see the Ali-Spinks title rematch. I simply do not derive enough pleasure from a major league sporting event to spend hundreds to over a thousand dollars for it. I'll watch my Cowboys on television, and I photograph NCAA and high school events for pay. It's a lot of fun and I have the best seat in the house.

Major league sports are too expensive for me, but it's not the economy. I just feel like it's poor stewardship to spend that much money on a sporting event. A friend of mine spent $200 per seat to see last season's Cowboys-Packers game. That's his business, but I won't do it.

By the way, my Spurs won last night.

45 posted on 05/20/2008 3:04:12 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: 1rudeboy
But I used to watch the games on the TV with the sound off and listen to the radio broadcast.

I still do that with Monday Night Football.

46 posted on 05/20/2008 3:05:11 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Mickey's still around here. Ken Daniels of CBC replaced Strader about 10 years ago when he went to ESPN as that's closer to home for him. Those are two of my favorites. I can see where a casual fan wouldn't care for them.

I can't stand Barry Melrose whereever he is now. He's is still bitter about not getting the Wings job which went to Scotty Bowman. I have the sound off when Dook, I mean Dick Vitale or John Madden are on the TV screen. I'll stomach VS if I can't get the game on CBC, but they aren't my favorite.

47 posted on 05/20/2008 6:55:01 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: Darren McCarty

I hear ya’ about Melrose. I don’t see him that often, but he’s always struck me as sort of a prick.


48 posted on 05/20/2008 6:59:50 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Grapes is a solid conservative who supports the military.

Besides, as a proud Minnesotan it’s great to laugh at “Hockeytown”.


49 posted on 05/20/2008 7:01:34 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Election 2008: Now the evil of two (or three) lessers.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Are you kidding me? The Wild is the gayest name for a team out there, even gayer than the Ducks. Gosh, did your state suffer when you sent the North Stars south.


50 posted on 05/20/2008 7:06:13 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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