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Muslim Dog-Hatred [get rid of service dogs]
SCTimes.com | Frontpagemagazine ^ | May 14, 2008 | Dave Aeikens

Posted on 05/14/2008 5:08:52 AM PDT by SJackson

A St. Cloud State University student in a teacher-training program at Technical High School left the school in late April because he says he feared for the safety of his service dog.

The school district calls it a misunderstanding, and officials there say they hoped Tyler Hurd, a 23-year-old junior from Mahtomedi who aspires to teach special education, would continue his training in the district.

Hurd said a student threatened to kill his service dog named Emmitt. The black lab is trained to protect Hurd when he has seizures.

The seizures, which can occur weekly, are from a childhood injury.

The dog has a pouch on his side that assists those who stop to help Hurd.

Hurd said he was unable to finish his 50 hours of field training at Tech. The university waived the remaining 10 hours, he said. He plans to do his student teaching outside a high school setting.

“We came up with a solution because I felt threatened by it," Hurd said.

The school district and university are working to make sure a similar situation doesn't happen.

Kate Steffens, dean of the college of education at St. Cloud State, and Tech assistant principal Lori Lockhart met Thursday.

The threat came from a Somali student who is Muslim, according to Hurd, St. Cloud State and school district officials.

The Muslim faith, which is the dominant faith of Somali immigrants, forbids the touching of dogs.

Hurd trained at Talahi Community School and Tech. He said his experience at Talahi was good. The Somali students there warmed to the dog and eventually petted him using paper to keep their hands off his fur, Hurd said.

Things didn't go as well at Tech, Hurd said. Students there taunted his dog, and he finally felt he had to leave after he was told a student made a threat. Hurd met with Lockhart but said he did not feel comfortable continuing.

Julia Espe, director of curriculum, instruction and assessment for St. Cloud school district, said the school needed to do a better job communicating.

“I think it was a misunderstanding where we didn't really prepare either side for possible implications," Espe said.

Espe said the school's investigation determined the student did not make a direct threat.

“We certainly welcome (Hurd) in our district, and we hope we can get this all resolved so he feels welcome and his dog is welcome," Espe said.

St. Cloud State places about 1,000 students in 240 schools to help prepare them for careers in education.

In St. Cloud school district, 330 are in the field training program Hurd was in and 94 are in student teaching.

Steffens said it is important to respect different cultures and the rights of disabled students.

“I think this is part of the growth process when we become more diverse," Steffens said.

Steffens called Hurd a good student and committed young man.

Gary Loch, who is the diversity coordinator for the district, said the situation was an unfortunate case of miscommunication.

“I'm not quite sure where the breakdown comes into play here," Loch said.


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To: Awestruck
what kind of messed up “religion/culture” forbids the touching of dogs? you have to teach children to hate dogs unless they’ve been bitten.. it’s natural for children to love animals.. and its a natural reaction to want to pet animals.. they are truly screwed up.
The same that forbids eating pigs. Way back in the day pigs and dogs were pretty big disease vectors. The problem with modern Islam is that it *refuses to adapt* to new realities in the world. The Koran was a great problem solving document in 700ad. Now not so much. I don't see christian men adhering to Leviticus, stoning people and building funky temples these days. Fundamentalist Islamists might learn a thing or two from their example.
51 posted on 05/14/2008 6:01:00 AM PDT by ketsu
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To: Rappini

Turning the place to glass would have been the perfect response.


52 posted on 05/14/2008 6:03:30 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot
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To: ketsu

Muslims CAN’T advance beyond their 700ad doctrine. It is apostasy to study anything not included in the Koran, because it self-defines as a “complete and perfect work”.

Islam made some early advances in algebra and astronomy, but only because these studies helped with their worship - timekeeping and pointing their asses in the right direction when they pray.

The only scientific advances they made after that were due to the dhimmis that they allowed to live once they pillaged a country.

Reformation or rennaisance is impossible, because anyone that “tacks a proclamation on the mosque door” would be beheaded.


53 posted on 05/14/2008 6:05:37 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB

Barack Mohammad Hussein Obama.


54 posted on 05/14/2008 6:09:42 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot
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To: ketsu
The same that forbids eating pigs. Way back in the day pigs and dogs were pretty big disease vectors. The problem with modern Islam is that it *refuses to adapt* to new realities in the world.

That is the least of my problems with Islam. I have no problem with observant Jews who follow strict dietary laws, but then they don't try to force their culture on others.

55 posted on 05/14/2008 6:14:45 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: abishai; varyouga
“Islam hates dogs because dogs do the exact opposite of what Islam does.”

Like sniff behinds and pee on fire hydrants?

Or chase cars and drink from the toilet?

56 posted on 05/14/2008 6:17:00 AM PDT by thulldud (Insanity: Electing John McCain again and expecting a different result.)
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To: MrB
Muslims CAN’T advance beyond their 700ad doctrine. It is apostasy to study anything not included in the Koran, because it self-defines as a “complete and perfect work”.

Islam made some early advances in algebra and astronomy, but only because these studies helped with their worship - timekeeping and pointing their asses in the right direction when they pray.

The only scientific advances they made after that were due to the dhimmis that they allowed to live once they pillaged a country.

Reformation or rennaisance is impossible, because anyone that “tacks a proclamation on the mosque door” would be beheaded.

This isn't true at all. The Islamic world underwent huge change in the 20th century following the collapse of the ottoman empire. The current el nutso brand of wahabbism only hit the big time recently. The secular nationalist movements could have taken over, but they didn't. Partly because they were seen as communist(and undermined by the west) or seen as western imperialism.

The Islamic *world* is very dynamic. Islam is only one of a bunch of competing ideologies. It's just the biggie at the moment.

57 posted on 05/14/2008 6:18:23 AM PDT by ketsu
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To: SJackson
They hate the West.
Why are they here ?
58 posted on 05/14/2008 6:26:40 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Misschuck

Rather than doing away with service dogs it would be much better for society in general to get rid of all Muslims.

Worth repeating and supporting!

Repeated and supported.


59 posted on 05/14/2008 6:35:07 AM PDT by KungFuBrad (White Devil http://whitedevilredangel.mee.nu/)
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To: SJackson

Why are these savages in the United States?


60 posted on 05/14/2008 6:39:14 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: SJackson

A Somali threatens Steffens’ dog, and Steffens has to leave? To quote Reverend Wright, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO! Kick the Somali out of the school. And his buddies too, if they agree.


61 posted on 05/14/2008 6:40:02 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Concerned about the price of arugula)
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To: SJackson

If I were this student teacher I would be suing Tech High for discrimination against the handicapped and the student making the threats for a civil rights violation. If the student making the threat was not Muslim imagine the difference in how this would be handled.


62 posted on 05/14/2008 6:41:07 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: SJackson

My bad, make that Hurd’s dog.


63 posted on 05/14/2008 6:41:27 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Concerned about the price of arugula)
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To: Red Badger

[WHat did Laz do to get put out of the sandbox?...........]

This is rather like the Indian Culture. Once a ‘Brave’ has departed, his name must never be mentioned again.


64 posted on 05/14/2008 6:47:00 AM PDT by dbacks (Taglines for sale or rent.)
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To: Rappini

you might say that we ... “pooched”... it.


65 posted on 05/14/2008 6:48:46 AM PDT by castlebrew (true gun control is hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: dbacks

He’ll be back............/Schwarzenegger’s voice....


66 posted on 05/14/2008 6:50:16 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: ought-six

“All a mooslin needs to do is whine and whimper and diversity coordinators wet their pants.”

That’s exactly how CAIR works. Issuing demands and complaints for every little thing they can think of, imagined slights etc. - all part of conditioning the West to appease them at every turn.


67 posted on 05/14/2008 6:53:03 AM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

“Why are these savages in the United States?”

Because the GOP and Democrats invited them.


68 posted on 05/14/2008 7:01:56 AM PDT by Spouting Horn (Terrorism is a tactic. The battle's against Shariah and Jihad.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
They hate the West. Why are they here ?

Same reason the Left is still here in the West - to destroy it.

69 posted on 05/14/2008 7:04:55 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: SJackson

HEY! ... dont forget the worst.... their bacon hating!


70 posted on 05/14/2008 7:34:24 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: SJackson

I guess the only thing clean of God’s creations are them..right, yea thats the ticket..
Managers of Heaven, what a friggin joke...
If they don’t approve of touching a dog, they should wrap themselves in plastic, don’t scratch..


71 posted on 05/14/2008 8:23:40 AM PDT by aeonspromise
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To: ketsu
The Islamic *world* is very dynamic.

Yah,we've seen that dynamism....in Lower Manhattan,at Kobar Towers,on the USS Cole,at our embassies in Nairobi and Dar Es Salaam,in Lower Manhattan (yet again),in London,in Madrid.....

72 posted on 05/14/2008 8:53:44 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Women swooned in Mao's presence too.)
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To: Let's Roll

UPDATE............

CAIR supports service dog owner........

http://www.startribune.com/nation/18931124.html

“Islamic group backs service dog owner threatened by Muslim students

The Minnesota chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations today is expressing support for a St. Cloud State University student’s right to his service dog after he left the school because he says he feared for the safety of the animal..................”


73 posted on 05/14/2008 9:16:18 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: merry10; dmw; RoosterRe; Cinnamon Girl; MinorityRepublican; patriot_wes; SweetCaroline; ...

Deaf/Hard of Hearing ping list
with interests in health and society


74 posted on 05/14/2008 10:00:01 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

hmmm ... ver-ree int-e-resting, as Artie Johnson (was that his name?) used to say on Laugh In.


75 posted on 05/14/2008 10:29:41 AM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: Let's Roll

I’m sure that CAIR has no problem tossing a couple of fresh-off-the-boat Somalis under the bus in order to look like the good guys.


76 posted on 05/14/2008 10:37:39 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: Red Badger

Accused chinese agents of being chinese agents.


77 posted on 05/14/2008 10:42:16 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: merry10

interesting too i thought cuz of how racist the rep at St Cloud State is.

just an interesting dichotomy


78 posted on 05/14/2008 10:53:04 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: SJackson

This sounds like a clear violation of the Americans With Disabilities Act, as well as threatening and possibly other charges.

No courage there, to let this happen.


79 posted on 05/14/2008 6:23:59 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: thulldud; abishai
Like sniff behinds and pee on fire hydrants? Or chase cars and drink from the toilet?

Not sure. I've never had a dog that did any of those things. Just like people, there are smart and stupid dogs.

My last dog (passed away last year) would have still defended my family to the death even when she lost the use of her back legs. That dog also saved my baby niece's life by alerting us that she was choking at night.

80 posted on 05/15/2008 6:24:37 AM PDT by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: varyouga
Those behaviors are not "stupid" in the doggy world. There they make perfect sense.

If YOU do them, it's off to the rubber room with ya....

81 posted on 05/15/2008 8:06:31 AM PDT by thulldud (Insanity: Electing John McCain again and expecting a different result.)
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To: SJackson
The Muslim faith, which is the dominant faith of Somali immigrants, forbids the touching of dogs

You know, that’s really okay, Mohammed, because I forbid you to touch my dog anyway. But, if you threaten a single hair on his head, I do hope you’re allowed to touch fish, because you will be sleeping with them before the next sunrise. That’s a promise.


82 posted on 05/15/2008 8:27:16 AM PDT by lonevoice (John McCain was a Kinoki foot pad in the Reagan Revolution)
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To: SJackson
ARgh!!!

The Somali has committed a crime! FILE A CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AND CHARGE HIM! Name someone in public besides the victim--let the creep who threatened his dog feel some heat. Publish his picture on the net!! Sue him!

Fight back!!

83 posted on 05/16/2008 7:59:35 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Time for Conservatives to go Free Agent)
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To: Larry Lucido

“Accused chinese agents of being chinese agents.”

That’s interesting. We had five people from the PRC join between 12-15 May who were in a thread...nobody thought that was unusual. But I’d never seen anyone from the PRC on here before at all.


84 posted on 05/16/2008 8:24:01 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: DogBarkTree

“...where we didn’t really prepare either side for possible implications,” Espe said. “

I thought service animals were protected by law. What “implications” are she talking about, that the “immigrant’s rights” trump US law, or what?


85 posted on 05/16/2008 8:26:29 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: All

I came across this video in tribute to those who lost their lives on 9/11. It made me cry. It is the most moving tribute that I have ever seen, and I think it should be required viewing for every Ameican yearly. How quickly most of us have forgotten, and have become apathetic again.

http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/

Be sure to read the author’s account of his own experiences on that day.


86 posted on 05/17/2008 8:21:46 AM PDT by cyberella
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To: SJackson
Or perhaps he bought a bottle of liquor on a trip, and wanted to take a cab home from the airport.

Or hired a Muslim to be a cashier and expected them to do their job and scan pork products, or was a teacher and expected the kids to draw "gasp" people! (images forbidden in Islam), or paid for their college education and expected them to not wash their feet in the sink...... (good bye Minnesota)

87 posted on 05/17/2008 8:38:53 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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