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What if Barack Obama were a real Muslim ? ( How the left thinks )
The Japan Times ^ | May 16, 2008 | TOM PLATE

Posted on 05/16/2008 6:52:23 PM PDT by george76

A significant number of West Virginians (and some others in America) evidently take the view that U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim.

In a surpassingly depressing report from the coal-miner state on the eve of Tuesday's West Virginia primary, The Los Angeles Times noted voter views that go like this: "We do not need a Muslim to lead the good ole USA."

It would not necessarily be so horrible if this well-spoken senator from Illinois were in fact Muslim. It turns out that most Muslims, like those in the country with the world's most Muslims (Indonesia), are wonderful people who respect Allah, respect their countrymen, abhor violence and extremism, and generally would make excellent next-door neighbors.

Very early in his life, Obama lived in Indonesia, before he returned to his native Hawaii, so he had met a lot of them. As a result, he doesn't think many Muslims are so terrible. That's because most Muslims, in fact, are not terrible — no more terrible than the rest of us, Christian or otherwise.

If the American president were in fact a Muslim, you must understand that more than 1.2 billion of the world's Muslims would want to vote for him.

(Excerpt) Read more at search.japantimes.co.jp ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Japan; Politics/Elections; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: barack; barackhussein; hussein; husseinobama; islam; muslim; obama; obamatruthfile; wv2008
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To: doc1019
If he was ever a moslem and converted

My theory is that his "conversion" is a cover to make people believe he's a Christian. Wright's preaching sounds more like Minister Farrakhan's than Bishop Sheen's, and I wouldn't be surprised if Wright is also a "closet" Muslim. This would explain why he agitates for hatred of America. Doesn't Islam allow its followers to make exceptions to their laws in order to advance the Islam agenda? If this is so, Bambi and Wright need not fear Islamic punishment.

By the way, just what is a "community organizer"? Something like what we once referred to as a Communist agitator?

51 posted on 05/17/2008 8:24:46 AM PDT by ducdriver ("Impartiality is a pompous name for indifference, which is an elegant name for ignorance." GKC)
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To: Cicero

The dog that didn’t bark.


52 posted on 05/17/2008 8:52:52 AM PDT by Sal (Biofuels: using your tax money to starve the 3rd world to death.)
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To: Cicero; xzins; blue-duncan
But how many of them are calling for Obama to be beheaded, the way they did with Rushdie?

Here's the thing we have to consider. The minute President Hussein takes a pro-Israel stand or does anything to piss off Iran or the Palestinians, you can take it to the bank that there will be a fatwa because he is an Apostate.

The fact that he is a supposedly Former Muslim will not sit well with Muslims if he does anything to piss them off. They like him now because they perceive that he is one of them. They perceive that his Christianity is only worn on his sleeve and is not embedded in his heart.

Frankly, I perceive that same thing.

53 posted on 05/17/2008 9:07:48 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

Barak Hussein Obama is purely a media creation.


54 posted on 05/17/2008 9:09:55 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: All

islam is incompatible with freedom and democracy—PERIOD, END OF STORY (and sorry, but anectdotal stories about the nice muslim family that lives down the street means nothing when faced with the facts)...


55 posted on 05/17/2008 9:11:59 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: george76; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
///most Muslims, like those in the country with the world's most Muslims (Indonesia), are wonderful people who respect Allah, respect their countrymen, abhor violence and extremism, and generally would make excellent next-door neighbors
...until they find out you have alcohol in the fridge, then they kill you and burn down your house. Thanks geo. :')
56 posted on 05/17/2008 9:27:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: P-Marlowe

Again, a generality.


57 posted on 05/17/2008 10:45:37 AM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (Media -)
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free
March, 2007 NYT: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

The many Islamic-related circumstances surrounding Obama (family, childhood, "conversion", and statements such as the above), as well as the reflection from many Muslims that they believe BHO still to be a Muslim (check expatguy's blog), plus the fact that the Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC) will allow practicing Muslims to be full fledged members of their "church" (as confirmed by several witnesses as coming from TUCC staff), has me firmly convinced that Obama has not truly converted to Christianity and remains a Muslim. The only reason to do that, beyond fostering his gaining power thereby, is to work to the benefit of his religious brethren, which, because of their religion's rule being incompatible with their goal of a Caliphate for the US, or at least Sharia, is entirely antithetical to our Republic, US!

He's a Manchurian candidate, and I believe we will likely yet see what Ann Coulter's "poor little Hillary" has in store for him to keep him from enjoying becoming President.

HF

58 posted on 05/17/2008 12:36:58 PM PDT by holden
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To: holden

Having heard the call to prayer at 5 am, I never thought of it as very delightful. When the FCC requires it to replace the SSB at signoff, even less so.
barbra ann


59 posted on 05/17/2008 2:02:49 PM PDT by barb-tex
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To: george76
Some Muslims (in name only), I would have no problem with.

Atatürk was fighting against the Islamists long before America knew they were a problem.


Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, 1st President of Turkey, In office: October 29, 1923 – November 10, 1938

"...... founder of the Republic of Turkey as well as its first President."

" An admirer of the Enlightenment, Atatürk sought to transform the ruins of the Ottoman Empire into a modern, democratic, secular, nation-state."

"Mustafa Kemal saw the consequences of fascist and communist doctrines in the 1920s and 1930s and rejected both."

"Islamic courts were closed and Islamic canon law was replaced with a secular civil code modeled after the Swiss Civil Code"

"Kemal wanted to solve the litteracy problem. Literate citizens, who comprised as little as 10% of the population, used the Ottoman Language written in Arabic script with Arabic and Persian loan vocabulary.[29] Dewey notes that roughly three years with rather strenuous methods were necessary to learn to read and write in Arabic script on the elementary level[29]. The creation of the new Turkish alphabet as a variant of the Latin alphabet was undertaken by the Language Commission (Turkish: Dil Encümeni) at the initiative of Kemal.[29] The Turkish alphabet was decreed on 24 May 1928."

"The Decree on dress targeted the religious insignia used outside times of worship. Kemal passed a series of laws beginning from 1923, especially the Hat Law of 1925 which introduced the use of Western style hats instead of the fez, and the Law Relating to Prohibited Garments of 1934, which emphasized the need to wear modern suits instead of antiquated religion-based clothing such as the veil and turban."

60 posted on 05/17/2008 2:04:35 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: ducdriver
My theory is that his "conversion" is a cover to make people believe he's a Christian.

My gut feeling is that Obama is an atheist.

He spent 20 years going to Jeremiah Wright's politicized church because it served his political purposes in his chosen Chicago political niche but I don't believe he has a single religious bone in his body and I believe he considers religion "the opiate of the masses".

Thus, he describes religious people as "clinging to religion".

61 posted on 05/17/2008 2:11:50 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Roccus
"West Virginia racist DEMOCRATS think obama's a muslim."

I've been shouting this from the rooftops - racist DEMOCRATS. This is something like my third or fourth post on the topic. If the Dems really believe that anyone who votes Republican is a racist, and twenty percent of THEIR miserable parasitic party is racists, how do they think he can possibly win?

62 posted on 05/17/2008 2:37:39 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (I have Zero Tolerance for Zero Tolerance policies.)
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To: george76

I don’t think he’s a Muslim now, but he also has said he was NEVER a Muslim. I find that hard to believe.


63 posted on 05/17/2008 3:13:25 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Michelle O's handlers: "Get me white people...!!!")
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To: PghBaldy

his brother Roy opted for Islam over Christianity, as Obama recounted when describing his 1992 wedding.

“The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama wrote, “was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol.”

Abongo “Roy” Obama is a Luo activist and a militant Muslim who argues that the black man must “liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture.” He urges his younger brother to embrace his African heritage.

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaFamily.htm


64 posted on 05/17/2008 3:48:35 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Polybius; Fred Nerks; Beckwith

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

Moreover, Mr. Obama’s own grandfather in Kenya was a Muslim. Mr. Obama never met his grandfather and says he isn’t sure if his grandfather’s two wives were simultaneous or consecutive, or even if he was Sunni or Shiite. (O.K., maybe Mr. Obama should just give up on Alabama.)...

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=2&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


65 posted on 05/17/2008 3:50:24 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/why_arent_people_talking_about_the_global_poverty_act_s_2433/

Why aren’t people talking about the Global Poverty Act (S. 2433)?

WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL), Chuck Hagel (R-NE), and Maria Cantwell (D-WA) and Congressman Adam Smith (D-WA) today hailed the Senate Foreign Relations Committee’s passage of the Global Poverty Act (S.2433), which requires the President to develop and implement a comprehensive policy to cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief, and coordination with the international community, businesses and NGOs. This legislation was introduced in December. Smith and Congressman Spencer Bachus (R-AL) sponsored the House version of the bill (H.R. 1302), which passed the House last September.

SNIP

The Scarey part of the bill is this:

In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that declaration commits nations to banning “small arms and light weapons” and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention on Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, and the Convention on the Rights of the Child.

The Millennium Declaration also affirms the U.N. as “the indispensable common house of the entire human family, through which we will seek to realize our universal aspirations for peace, cooperation and development.”


66 posted on 05/17/2008 4:40:55 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Diogenesis; All

See that sign Hussein is making with his raised left hand in that picture you posted? I’ve read that that is some kind of Satanic or Anti-Christ sign, but I don’t remember where or know how credible the information was. I haven’t seen him do that before (granted I try to avoid seeing him). Does anyone recognize that or know more?

I saw an article giving the reactions/statements of various VIPs to the news of Ted Kennedy’s hospitalization today, and with one exception they all mentioned prayer for him. Hussein did not, he said he would be “rooting for him”. He doesn’t even fake Christianity very well.


67 posted on 05/17/2008 6:23:42 PM PDT by CatDancer (I refuse to admit what I have to do until the Election Day I have to do it.)
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To: Polybius
My gut feeling is that Obama is an atheist.

Oh, assuredly. He certainly is no serious Christian, as he claims - nobody can make that claim and then pass laws that legalize murdering little ones. If he's a Muslim, I doubt it's for anything but personal advancement anyhow. The whole thing is exceedingly strange. I suppose somehow he thinks (oh, wait, liberals only feel, they don't think) he'll get the Christian vote (whatever that is) if he appears to be one.

68 posted on 05/17/2008 8:29:56 PM PDT by ducdriver ("Impartiality is a pompous name for indifference, which is an elegant name for ignorance." GKC)
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To: george76
Grandfather, for whom Obama was given the middle name, Hussein, was "fiercely devoted to Islam." He had at least 3 wives: Helima, who had no children, Akuma who gave birth to Sarah Obama, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. and Auma Obama.

The Obama File


69 posted on 05/18/2008 2:38:25 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: Cicero
Could it be that he is telling them something that he isn’t telling us?

On February 27th, 2007, Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth."

In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent."

The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the  Shahada:

"Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet... "

According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim.  This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam.

Obama knows this from his Quranic studies -- and he knows the New York Times will publish this fact and it will be seen throughout the Islamic world.

Regardless of Obama's religion, what message is he sending the world's 1.2 billion Muslims?

I suppose it's easy for Obama to remember the Shahada for the 35 years since he left Indonesia -- and in 'first-class' Arabic -- especially since he believes the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth."

The fact that Obama can recall the Shahada after 35 years and the fact that he believes that the daily call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth" say that those Muslim prayers run through his head often -- what does that make him?

The Obama File


70 posted on 05/18/2008 2:49:47 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: Tex Pete
The author wrote that statement as though Obama only knew muslims, but isn't related to a whole bunch of them...which he is.

In an interview with the New York Times, published on April 30th, 2007, Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama’s younger half-sister, told the Times, "My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim.

I assume Maya thinks of her brother, Barack, as a member of her family.

Although Anna is often described as an atheist, I assume Maya thinks of her mother as a member of her family, also.

Original NY Times link -- requires Log In.

The Obama File


71 posted on 05/18/2008 2:57:01 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: Beckwith

Let Newt Gingrich set you straight.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/08/gingrich/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

How many died in 2007 at hands of muslim men - dare you to scroll to bottom

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2007.htm

How many Americans died.

http://www.americanmemorialsite.com/


72 posted on 05/18/2008 7:00:45 AM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER ( “If you're not ready to die for it, put the word ''freedom'' out of your vocabulary.” – Malcolm)
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To: CHICAGOFARMER

I have no idea why you directed this post to me.


73 posted on 05/18/2008 9:17:36 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: Beckwith

Yes, that makes him a Muslim at least 4 times over. First, his father was Muslim. Then his mother remarried, to another Muslim. Then he was taught the Koran in school and attended a mosque. Then he recited this Muslim prayer in front of a public witness.

Plus his Muslim family in Kenya, including his church-burning Muslim cousin Odinga, all love him, lied for him to the press, and dressed him in Muslim garb on one of his visits.


74 posted on 05/18/2008 9:36:27 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Eva

Your assessment of Black Liberation Theology is right on. Will this ever be made public or does anybody really want to know the skinny? We seem to be content to let him call himself “Christian” because he goes to that church. Yet an examination of the church, demonstrates what he really stands for.


75 posted on 05/18/2008 8:30:24 PM PDT by needtowakeup
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To: Fred Nerks

“”” The Millennium Declaration also affirms the U.N. as “the indispensable common house of the entire human family, through which we will seek to realize our universal aspirations for peace, cooperation and development.”””

Thanks for posting the hedious passage of the Global Poverty Act, hailed by the likes of US Senator Barack Obama, and the traitor Chuck Hagel. One can only imagine how they will implement its *comprehensive policy*. As your post states they will use aid, trade, debt relief and ect. Usually that is Senate Foreign Relation’s speak for *leveling the playing field* - as in reducing the United States to just another third world country, whose citizens are to live under the rules of the mightly United Nations.

What the blank are those in power doing to our precious country? What the heck do they mean by the following from your quote above: “the indispensable common house of the entire human family, through which we will seek to realize our universal aspirations for peace, cooperation and development.” The ‘entire human family’, indeed~!!! Who are these freaks anyway???

The media cares little about anything but promoting their choice for President - Obama the savior of the the new world order. /sarcasm on!
http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/why_arent_people_talking_about_the_global_poverty_act_s_2433/

I plan to check out your above link. Dang, I get so sick of hearing how our country is being turned over more and more to the United Nations. Unreal. ;(


76 posted on 05/19/2008 1:47:33 AM PDT by Pepper777
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To: Pepper777

I agree with you totally...and I’m an Australian!


77 posted on 05/19/2008 3:17:15 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: needtowakeup

The problem with the public understanding of Black Liberation Theology is that no one but a Christian would understand the difference. I was thinking about this while reading WSJ, Best of the Web. James Tarranato has no clue about the difference between Black Liberation Theology and THE Christian Church.

Obama uses lawyerly discourse to explain the Christianity of BLT, quoting modern day theologians that the average person has never read, and would be shocked to learn that these socialist theologians are considered the fathers of modern day theology. I’m speaking of Tillich and Niebuhr, the philosophers that Obama claims that Rev. Wright has read, which in itself is a telling way to phrase a lack of belief.

My bet is that Huckabee also follows Paul Tillich’s writings. Maybe someone should ask him to explain it.


78 posted on 05/19/2008 8:21:55 AM PDT by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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