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Mom forced to live in car with dogs (no, CNN doesn't have an agenda, really)
CNN.com ^ | 20 May 2008 | Thelma Gutierrez/Wayne Drash

Posted on 05/20/2008 7:43:18 AM PDT by Moose4

SANTA BARBARA, California (CNN) -- Barbara Harvey climbs into the back of her small Honda sport utility vehicle and snuggles with her two golden retrievers, her head nestled on a pillow propped against the driver's seat.

A former loan processor, the 67-year-old mother of three grown children said she never thought she'd spend her golden years sleeping in her car in a parking lot.

"This is my bed, my dogs," she said. "This is my life in this car right now."

Harvey was forced into homelessness earlier this year after being laid off. She said that three-quarters of her income went to paying rent in Santa Barbara, where the median house in the scenic, oceanfront city costs more than $1 million. She lost her condo two months ago and had little savings as backup.

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At 10:40 am EDT on 20 May, this was the LEAD STORY on CNN.com. Nope. No agenda here. No shilling. Not at all. Nothing to see. Move along.

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1 posted on 05/20/2008 7:43:19 AM PDT by Moose4
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To: Moose4

Santa Barbara is one of the most expensive real estate markets in the nation.

Much of California is absolutely choking on empty homes and apartments however. This lady should leave Santa Barbara and consider Fresno.


2 posted on 05/20/2008 7:45:37 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Moose4

Poverty is not funny. In our area we are working with the National Forest and the Rotary to cut stacks of wood for the next winter so our senior citizens won’t freeze to death.


3 posted on 05/20/2008 7:47:16 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: Moose4
Poor mom. She should live with her kids.

They probably don't want her because she's been laying down with dogs.

4 posted on 05/20/2008 7:49:11 AM PDT by ajodl (If a taxpayer is alive, he's kicking!)
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To: marsh2

Where are her three grown children... Why would they allow their mother to live in a car?


5 posted on 05/20/2008 7:49:47 AM PDT by TriGirl (Lurking for 7 years!!!!!)
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To: Moose4

Obviously she has chosen to live like this. She has three grown children.


6 posted on 05/20/2008 7:50:58 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
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To: babble-on

Try moving. There are plenty of places in this country where she can find work and only pay 25-40% of her income towards rent. Back in the “good old” days people knew the reality of moving to find work instead of this retarded mentality of thinking they can just stay there and glean sympathy so someone else can support them.

Texas, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee are few that easily come to mind.


7 posted on 05/20/2008 7:52:45 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Moose4

Get rid of the dogs, move somewhere cheaper. No story.


8 posted on 05/20/2008 7:53:46 AM PDT by ikka
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To: Resolute Conservative

I was not a Bobcat Goldwaithe an but he did a routine once talking about people that were starving in the desert countries of Africa. He answer to them was just f__ing move! If there is no food just move! If there is no water just move!

He was right.


9 posted on 05/20/2008 7:54:54 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Moose4

Sorry if it sounds cold, but her situation sounds like the culmination of a string of poor life-decisions:

1. Spending 3/4 of your income on housing;
2. Not saving for retirement years;
3. Choosing to stay/live in one of the highest-cost markets in the country on modest wages;
4. Raising kids that don’t have enough regard for their own mother to welcome her into their homes;
5. Failure to attain skills worth more than $8/hr. to an employer.

I could go on, and on, and on ...


10 posted on 05/20/2008 7:56:21 AM PDT by Be Free
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To: Moose4
A former loan processor ...

She could probably get lodging for a period of time from a judge or a nice little windfall from the prosecutor by becoming a whistleblower, based on her claimed profession.

Also, I'd like to know what her compensation was before the housing crash and how she disposed of that income before I feel too much sympathy for her.

11 posted on 05/20/2008 7:56:21 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Just because you're running for President doesn't mean that you are the center of the universe")
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To: Moose4

I have a lot of compassion for this lady. It must be tough to be old and suddenly out of a job.

But she was 67. The moment her job slows down, she’s poverty striken? Did she expect to be able to work forever? She most have been close to retirement. What was she planning to do then?


12 posted on 05/20/2008 7:56:37 AM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: All
She could drive about 90 miles up to Bakersfield and find plenty of $500 apartments.

http://bakersfield.craigslist.org/apa/

13 posted on 05/20/2008 7:57:34 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: Moose4

There’s obviously a rhythm to this homelessness situation. I notice that it tends to occur every four years, with the possible recent exception of 1996. So in a few more months the problem will disappear again, all on its own, apparently. It’s a mystery, really.


15 posted on 05/20/2008 7:58:38 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Sam Kinison I think. HE said the solution was giving them UHAULS!


16 posted on 05/20/2008 7:59:07 AM PDT by crazydad
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To: Resolute Conservative; All

Caution ... Sam Kinison’s rants are definitely NOT SAFE FOR WORK or little eyes. Use that link with caution.


17 posted on 05/20/2008 7:59:42 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Just because you're running for President doesn't mean that you are the center of the universe")
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To: Resolute Conservative

I believe you’re thinking of the late Sam Kinison.


18 posted on 05/20/2008 8:01:13 AM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: ikka
She should keep her dogs and move somewhere cheaper. It is possible. But staying in the car with them is getting her nowhere.

Carolyn

19 posted on 05/20/2008 8:03:21 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: marsh2
Poverty is not funny. In our area we are working with the National Forest and the Rotary to cut stacks of wood for the next winter so our senior citizens won’t freeze to death.

That's nice.

This case is self-imposed.

I could scream poverty, too, if I'd relocate to the world's MOST expensive place to live EVER.

20 posted on 05/20/2008 8:03:50 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Secondhand Aztlan Smoke causes drug addiction obesity in global warming cancer immigrant terrorists.)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Try moving.

Maybe she can't. Maybe her bank account is empty now, and she can't buy the gasoline.

There are plenty of places in this country where she can find work and only pay 25-40% of her income towards rent.

That solution works for most cases, but sometimes you have folks who stay in the high cost of living area because that's where their skills are in demand. And, in all honesty, sometimes folks are out on their luck.

That said, Ms. Harvey has three grown children. Why are they not helping her?

21 posted on 05/20/2008 8:04:33 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (During the Middle Ages, rats spread bubonic plague. Today, Rats spread the socialist plague.)
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To: Moose4

Look on the bright side - It’s California, so before long, he’ll be able to marry the dogs and become a family.


22 posted on 05/20/2008 8:05:24 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: rabscuttle385

Did she try to get into Senior Housing? Or doesn’t she want to give up her dogs? What happened to Social Security? She’s 67.


23 posted on 05/20/2008 8:07:43 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Moose4

Who on Earth forced her to live in Santa Barbara? There isn’t any cheaper rent on the face of the Earth?


24 posted on 05/20/2008 8:07:43 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (NOW can we drill for oil?)
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To: NonValueAdded

Yes you are correct. Thank you. Both were round fellows that yelled a lot. I remember Bobcat portrayed more of a Forest Gump type characterization and Kinison wore a beret sometimes.


25 posted on 05/20/2008 8:08:53 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: troy McClure

I just read the article. Her 19 year old daughter “moved in with friends to avoid being homeless”. and “cries when she calls on the phone”.

So she’s got everything. She has a young daughter who cares about her, her dogs, her car. The ones who are really in trouble are the ones without family.

Another poster said she may “need to live where her skills are in demand”. But she is working $8 hour part time. More likely she simply doesn’t want to leave a familiar area where she has built up contacts. i understand that.

But she and her daughter could move, get a cheaper apartment someplace else and share the expenses, and be ok. That’s what people have always done. I know someone here in FL living on $600 a month.

She doesn’t live like Rockefeller, but she’s clean, fed, happy, has a cat and a roof over her head at night in a nice place.

Lastly, I leave with words of wisdom from Ben Stein.

“Put everything you can towards retirement, sacrifice pleasures today for that account. Believe me, you don’t want to be old, sick and poor.”


26 posted on 05/20/2008 8:09:31 AM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: TriGirl

My mother became homeless a little more than three years ago when her brother threw her out of his home (after stealing money from her and their mother for years). She moved in with one of my sister’s sons and his family and they took advantage of her money for a couple more years (they didn’t make enough to be able to afford the home they moved to after taking my mother in). Now she’s living with my wife and I and is being well taken care of. She is allowed to spend her money as she chooses (we don’t need anything from her) and we make sure that she gets to her doctors appointments (she has multiple medical issues and is physically disabled). I don’t understand people who don’t adequately take care of their family members.


27 posted on 05/20/2008 8:10:15 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: rabscuttle385

I bet she buys dog food and other non-essentials as amazingly most do who are down on their luck. Gee look at me I cannot afford rent or gas but I have cigarettes, beer, a cell phone, and feed my 5 pets. I see it every day.


28 posted on 05/20/2008 8:11:18 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Moose4

It seemed to me that when President Bush, Sr. was in office, there was a steady drumbeat of this sort of “homelessness” reporting - but, then suddenly, the SECOND William Jefferson Clinton was elected and the Democrats were in power - suddenly, miraculously, the “homelessness problem” was just - GONE, POOF! Now that we have a Republican President (for a little while at least), the media push to elect a Democrat has again “revealed” a terrible homelessness problem. . and, of course, it’s all BUSH’S FAULT).


29 posted on 05/20/2008 8:12:43 AM PDT by Twinkie (TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT !!!)
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To: Moose4
She said that three-quarters of her income went to paying rent in Santa Barbara, where the median house in the scenic, oceanfront city costs more than $1 million. She lost her condo two months ago and had little savings as backup.

I can think of many better things to do with my income than to spend three-quarters of it on rent.

This sounds like a stunt. Either that or she made such enemies of her three children that they don't want to give her a place to stay or help her out.

30 posted on 05/20/2008 8:13:30 AM PDT by SaveTheChief (Chief Illiniwek (1926-2007))
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To: babble-on
Santa Barbara is one of the most expensive real estate markets in the nation.

I bet home and condo owners there pay a hefty amount of property taxes as well not helping their cause. Maybe obtaining a small affordable mobile home in another location is an option to consider.

31 posted on 05/20/2008 8:14:48 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: NonValueAdded
"That wasn't Bobcat, that was Sam Kinison and it was an epic rant"

Indeed this is one of the funniest bits I have ever seen a comedian perform!

"Hey, we been driving out here every day with your food, for, like, the last thirty or forty years, and we were driving out here today across the desert, and it occurred to us that there wouldn't BE world hunger, if you people would LIVE WHERE THE FOOD IS! YOU LIVE IN A DESERT! YOU LIVE IN A ******* DESERT! NOTHING GROWS OUT HERE! NOTHING'S GONNA GROW OUT HERE! YOU SEE THIS? HUH? THIS IS SAND. KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW? IT'S GONNA BE SAND! YOU LIVE IN A ******* DESERT! GET YOUR STUFF, GET YOUR S**T, WE'LL MAKE ONE TRIP, WE'LL TAKE YOU TO WHERE THE FOOD IS! WE HAVE DESERTS IN AMERICA -- WE JUST DON'T LIVE IN THEM, A-HOLES!"

32 posted on 05/20/2008 8:18:27 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: NonValueAdded
Caution ... Sam Kinison’s rants are definitely NOT SAFE FOR WORK or little eyes. Use that link with caution.

Ditto that. Sam's stuff is definitely X-rated, but he was one funny man!

33 posted on 05/20/2008 8:18:27 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Forget it...I'll never be able to pull the lever for McCain!)
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To: Be Free

Well, I have nothing more to add to your list.


34 posted on 05/20/2008 8:21:14 AM PDT by Kimmers
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To: Be Free

Well, I have nothing more to add to your list.


35 posted on 05/20/2008 8:21:20 AM PDT by Kimmers
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To: Be Free
Spending 3/4 of your income on housing;

Just like those who obtained sub-prime mortgages. Financial ignorance is costly.

36 posted on 05/20/2008 8:23:06 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: Moose4

There have been people “living” in their cars since there were cars. The media finds them ONLY when they want the current president defeated.


37 posted on 05/20/2008 8:25:58 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism is a serious mental disturbance)
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To: Night Hides Not; Mad Dawgg

Yeah, after I posted that link I thought better of it and self-abused my post. Oh ... wait ... darn it, I’ve gone and done it again. :) Mad Dawgg posted the cleaned up part for us. Thanks!


38 posted on 05/20/2008 8:26:11 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Just because you're running for President doesn't mean that you are the center of the universe")
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To: Moose4; hiredhand; glock rocks; Czar

This is the reality of the day and it will grow to unimaginable numbers as older people make choices between medication and condos. One major bump in their life and they can’t live the way they used to because they tried to keep up with the Joneses instead of saving for tomorrow. The idea of giving up their pets is too painful for them to even seriously consider.

DO I feel sorry for them sure but at the same time I feel it’s a situation they brought onto themselves. However our politicians will expect you and me to feed, clothe and house these fools.


39 posted on 05/20/2008 8:27:16 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: babble-on

Perhaps Bakersfield is more appropriate


40 posted on 05/20/2008 8:31:24 AM PDT by Seajay (Ordem e Progresso)
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To: Moose4

First sentence bias alert!!

It will be the only time that the word “small” is used to describe an SUV in the msm.


41 posted on 05/20/2008 8:42:11 AM PDT by cpanter
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To: Moose4
"My daughter especially is very unhappy. Sometimes she'll cry and she'll call and say, 'Mom, I just can't stand it that you are living in a car,' " Harvey said. "I'll say, 'You know what? This is OK for right now because I'm safe, I'm healthy, the dogs are doing OK and I have a job and things will get better WHEN OBAMA IS PRESIDENT."

There - that's what CNN wanted to print.

42 posted on 05/20/2008 8:43:47 AM PDT by library user
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To: massgopguy

They ran this story on TV over the weekend. They said she was getting something like $700/month or more in Social Security. With that, her income, and no housing costs, seems like she should be in a position to be saving up. I also think she should get rid of the dogs.


43 posted on 05/20/2008 8:45:45 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: massgopguy
I enlarged the photo - doesn't look like a woman pushing 70 to me. Are we sure this isn't some mock set-up in Ted Turner's basement? And that this woman isn't really a CNN employee?


44 posted on 05/20/2008 8:48:15 AM PDT by library user
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To: PGR88
Look on the bright side - It’s California, so before long, he’ll be able to marry the dogs and become a family.

Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner.

45 posted on 05/20/2008 8:49:44 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (This tagline has been banned or suspended.)
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To: troy McClure
She could drive about 90 miles up to Bakersfield and find plenty of $500 apartments.

Stop trying to find solutions. The lib's don't want solutions. They want to perpetuate plight. It's what keeps them (the lib's) in business.

46 posted on 05/20/2008 8:55:26 AM PDT by library user
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To: rabscuttle385
That solution works for most cases, but sometimes you have folks who stay in the high cost of living area because that's where their skills are in demand.

She's a loan processor.

47 posted on 05/20/2008 8:57:43 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Moose4

Wow, another poor victim of the terrible economy. It’s too bad there is nothing she can do and no one to help, in her situation , not even her family or the government....it’s so sad. My heart is just bleeding for her.

NOT!!


48 posted on 05/20/2008 9:01:36 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Note to McCain: The voters are not united FOR you, they are uniting AGAINST Clinton/Obama)
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To: B4Ranch
The idea of giving up their pets is too painful for them to even seriously consider.

I confess, that part I approve of. Once you take a pet, it's your responsibility and you are honor-bound to take care of that pet to the very best of your ability. At least, that's my motto. I can remember when I was too broke for insurance, car, phone, or cable. But by God, my cats were fed, had their shots, and were fixed. I remember once it was two days till payday and I was down to my last 31 cents. I needed one more can of catfood (for them, not me. LOL.) I went walking through Norfolk looking on the sidewalk for pennies till I found two of them, and went and got the catfood.

You may think it's silly, but having an obligation like that can actually give you strength. Someone to take care of.

49 posted on 05/20/2008 9:03:30 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Moose4

She’s got it easy.

When I lived in my car I didn’t even have one dog much less two. And it was winter time....in Montana....with no gas to run the heater.

What a wimp.


50 posted on 05/20/2008 9:04:15 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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