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Is 55 in Our Future?
American Spectator ^ | 5/23/2008 | Eric Peters

Posted on 05/23/2008 10:23:11 AM PDT by Entrepreneur

If there's one thing that's worse than paying $4 per gallon for gasoline, it's the resurgent talk of lowering speed limits to conserve fuel.

Because, of course, these lowered limits won't be enforced as a "conservation" measure.

Any curtailment of speed limits will be treated as a saaaaafety issue -- just as happened during the Dark Decades of the 55 mph National Maximum Speed Limit. "Speeding" tickets will be issued and "points" assigned. At the stroke of a lawmaker's pen (and the cop's, too) driving "x" MPH will suddenly become "unsafe," rather than merely wasteful.

This is the most intolerable aspect of the whole scam.

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KEYWORDS: 55mph; energy; gasoline; speedlimit
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To: Morgana
If you pass me you are wasting gas!!!

And flipping you the bird....

51 posted on 05/23/2008 10:52:54 AM PDT by RockinRight (Supreme Court Justice Fred Thompson. The next best place for Fred.)
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To: Morgana
I have an on-board computer that gives me average combined mileage and instant mileage.

(Dale Earmhardt's 'Intimidator' package Monte Carlo)

Even with a supercharged V-6 sport car, I average 27.3 MPG combined.

And the way I drive, that's really good!

52 posted on 05/23/2008 10:53:41 AM PDT by airborne (LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!)
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To: Entrepreneur

It’s not about conservation or safety...

IT’S ABOUT MONEY!!


53 posted on 05/23/2008 10:54:37 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.)
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To: Morgana

Not all cars are at their most efficient at 55. Some are most efficient at 40 and others 65...


54 posted on 05/23/2008 10:55:07 AM PDT by RockinRight (Supreme Court Justice Fred Thompson. The next best place for Fred.)
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To: Entrepreneur
I commute 75 miles round-trip to another rural town five days a week.

If I drive 80 on the highway like everybody else, my Toyota pickup gets 20 mpg.

If I drive 60 with the tailgate down, I get 30 mpg on the highway portion, and 25 mpg overall.

That's the difference between burning 4 gallons a day, or three gallons a day.

I hate it, but I'm driving 60 now.

Not that I want the speed limits changed. I can drive more slowly voluntarily without making everybody else do the same.

55 posted on 05/23/2008 10:55:32 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (No government can compete with the black market for drugs in financial compensation for LEOs.)
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To: Entrepreneur
lowering speed limits to conserve fuel

Myth.

Driving from NY to Atlanta, I tested speed vs. MPG in a full-size 6-cylinder Ford Explorer.
Lowest MPG I got was at 55. Highest was around 75. Difference was minor.
Other people report similar results with other vehicles.

Older cars may have done best at 55, but 30 years of auto engineering has changed that.

56 posted on 05/23/2008 10:55:33 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: Morgana
If you pass me you are wasting gas!!!

Sorry, but my car gets better mileage at 65 than 55 (on the highway).

57 posted on 05/23/2008 10:55:36 AM PDT by airborne (LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!)
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To: P8riot

As George Carlin said:

Anyone who drives slower than you is an idiot. Anyone who drives faster than you is a maniac.


58 posted on 05/23/2008 10:57:38 AM PDT by henkster (Obama '08: A 3rd world state, here & now!)
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To: relictele
Another Jimmy Carter (albeit a black one this time) and the 55 mph limit? What’s next? Another hostage crisis?

We're in a major one right now. Our government and future of our nation is being held hostage by tyrants. The DEMs and GOP teamed up together 12 years ago and turned against us. Of course you know if your not for them your for the terrorist. /sarcasm

59 posted on 05/23/2008 10:57:47 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Three Blind Rats. Three Blind Rats, See How They Run. See How They Run. Hillbomacain)
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To: knarf

If the Congress proposes this, it will probably be called some bullsh*t like the “Fuel Economy and Highway Safety Act of 2008” and we’ll of course call it the “Freedom-Stealing and Revenue Enhancement Act.”


60 posted on 05/23/2008 10:57:59 AM PDT by RockinRight (Supreme Court Justice Fred Thompson. The next best place for Fred.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I try to maintain respect for my elders but ‘the greatest generation’ has slipped badly in my estimation due to their Social Security monomania that keeps people like Jay Rockefeller in office.

It may be untoward to ask but I’ll do it anyway. Seniors have been on this earth for 60, 70, 80 years. At any point during those long decades did these seniors decide to provide for themselves during and after their working years? Isn’t all the moaning about ‘fixed incomes’ a euphemism for ‘we didn’t save for our retirement and must live hand to mouth courtesy of Uncle Sam’s monthly checks’?


61 posted on 05/23/2008 10:59:55 AM PDT by relictele
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I try to maintain respect for my elders but ‘the greatest generation’ has slipped badly in my estimation due to their Social Security monomania that keeps people like Jay Rockefeller in office.

It may be untoward to ask but I’ll do it anyway. Seniors have been on this earth for 60, 70, 80 years. At any point during those long decades did these seniors decide to provide for themselves during and after their working years? Isn’t all the moaning about ‘fixed incomes’ a euphemism for ‘we didn’t save for our retirement and must live hand to mouth courtesy of Uncle Sam’s monthly checks’?


62 posted on 05/23/2008 11:00:03 AM PDT by relictele
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To: Morgana

Do that in Atlanta and we’ll hear about you on the traffic report (”vehicle crash in center lane backing up traffic for miles...”). Cruising speed is 80. Doing 55 is downright dangerous.


63 posted on 05/23/2008 11:01:49 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: relictele

I always hated the term “fixed income” anyway, as if most working people DON’T have fixed incomes...if you have a salary, you have a FIXED INCOME until your employer decides you deserve a raise! How’s that any different?


64 posted on 05/23/2008 11:01:59 AM PDT by RockinRight (Supreme Court Justice Fred Thompson. The next best place for Fred.)
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To: Grunthor
IRFHFY
65 posted on 05/23/2008 11:02:00 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: Morgana

I think that it is great that you have found savings that you enjoy in a way that doesn’t cramp your style. At 55 versus 70, my mileage varies by 5-10%, and that is not worth the time spent on the road because I absolutely hate time spent inside a vehicle. I do get savings coupled with exercise by riding my bike if my destination is within five miles and I am able to carry my load within my basket.


66 posted on 05/23/2008 11:02:09 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde ("When the government fears the people there is liberty ... " Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Morgana
I don’t know about the rest of you but I only drive 55 and have been doing so for a year!!! If you pass me you are wasting gas!!!

Does the term gear ratio's and fuel efficency mean anything to you? A Renault may be most efficent at 55 MPH that is if they don't fly apart first. But a tuned up fuel injected engine in a car or truck will likely use less gas at about 65 MPH. Also let's not forget most vehicles of today have Overdrive. Drive 55 MPH in a lot of places and the vehicle will be in high gear instead of less demanding on fuel usage overdrive a majority of the time.

67 posted on 05/23/2008 11:03:44 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Three Blind Rats. Three Blind Rats, See How They Run. See How They Run. Hillbomacain)
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To: SampleMan

Actually the Feds were doing traffic studies and if a certain number of vehicles were exceeding the limit by x amount, the state could lose highway funds. This is much like they do with seat belt usage by monitoring the percentage using seatbelts and thretening and/or penalizing the state if there is not a high enough percentage of compliance.


68 posted on 05/23/2008 11:03:50 AM PDT by gunnut
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To: relictele
The answer to your question is yes, as far as I am concerned. I have to note though, that although I live in a rural area in a state that is quite often thought of as backwards, I know lots of senior citizens that are making it just fine because they were raised knowing how to provide for themselves without government dependence. Get into the cities and you have a whole different scenario.
69 posted on 05/23/2008 11:08:14 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde ("When the government fears the people there is liberty ... " Thomas Jefferson)
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To: RockinRight
Not all cars are at their most efficient at 55. Some are most efficient at 40 and others 65...

That works, FOR CARS.

The cross-sectional area of trucks and SUVs is so much larger than for cars that drag dominates energy consumption at much lower speeds.

A Dodge Durango, for instance, was recently measured to reach maximum efficiency at a whopping 25 mph.

Big vehicles spend most of their energy on ploughing air.

70 posted on 05/23/2008 11:11:19 AM PDT by mc6809e
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If I drive 60 with the tailgate down, I get 30 mpg on the highway portion, and 25 mpg overall.

Try it with the tailgate up.

With the tailgate up, a large horizontal vortex of air forms behind the cab and improves the aerodynamics of the truck.

71 posted on 05/23/2008 11:17:03 AM PDT by mc6809e
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Tailgate down to increase gas mileage is a myth!

The National Research Council Canada, Ford Motor Company, and DaimlerChrysler test this, and they've all come to the same conclusion: Driving with the tailgate down decreases highway fuel economy, and removing the tailgate usually makes it worse. In many instances, it also increases rear lift at speeds, an undesirable condition in a vehicle with only a third of its weight back there to start with.

Putting a tonneau or hard bed cover over your truck is the best thing you can do for highway fuel economy.

72 posted on 05/23/2008 11:17:18 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Entrepreneur

Jimmy Carter re-incarnated (Obama) just said we just can’t kep driving our SUV’s at 70.


73 posted on 05/23/2008 11:20:55 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Entrepreneur

A return to the 55 mph speed limit will bring instant recession and eventual economic depression. The change represents a 22% decline in truck productivity that will ripple down thw whole economy.

Such a decrease in productivity will mean wholsale loss of jobs.


74 posted on 05/23/2008 11:27:10 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The Bitcons will elect a Democrat by default)
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To: All
Also outdoor Christmas lights and displays will be banned this year.{Anybody remember that?)

I remember driving with my dad in the early 1960s in Arizona. The highway speed limit sign read:”Resume at safe speed.”

75 posted on 05/23/2008 11:36:20 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (I miss Ronnie!!!!!)
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To: Morgana

I noticed that average traffic speeds on the PA Turnpike have dropped in recent weeks. Most everybody is strictly observing the 65 limit. Used to be you’d get run over on some stretches if you (only) did the limit.

My point is that people will adjust on their own — and they are. Forcing a uniform National Speed Limit is the worst kind of Top-Down solution.


76 posted on 05/23/2008 11:36:42 AM PDT by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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To: Grunthor

Gee, USAA was ahead of its time on something else, eh? They were doing 10/4 twenty years ago.

Colonel, USAFR


77 posted on 05/23/2008 11:40:22 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: Entrepreneur
I hope the democrats enact this legislation. A 55 MPH speed limit would enrage people more than 10 dollar a gallon gas. Nazi Pelosi and Dingy Harry would be turned out faster than you could blink if that were to happen.
78 posted on 05/23/2008 11:40:42 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: Red_Devil 232
I have actually tried it both ways a number of times under the same exact circumstances and have empirically determined that putting the tailgate down to increase gas mileage (about 10%) is not a myth.

How many times have you tried it?

Or do you just have a religious belief in whatever expert you happen to be quoting at the moment?

79 posted on 05/23/2008 11:44:52 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (No government can compete with the black market for drugs in financial compensation for LEOs.)
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To: CzarNicky
I hope the democrats enact this legislation. A 55 MPH speed limit would enrage people more than 10 dollar a gallon gas.

Sweet!

80 posted on 05/23/2008 11:45:36 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (No government can compete with the black market for drugs in financial compensation for LEOs.)
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To: Grunthor

Turning off your AC only saves gas if you drive with your windows up. If you need to roll them down, the extra drag uses more energy than the AC (at least at highway speeds — even 55).


81 posted on 05/23/2008 11:49:59 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: ConservaTexan

There’s too much traffic, I can’t pass, no. . .


82 posted on 05/23/2008 11:52:26 AM PDT by Huntress (Barack Obama--Jimmy Carter with charisma.)
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To: AmericaUnited

See my tagline.


83 posted on 05/23/2008 11:53:03 AM PDT by Huntress (Barack Obama--Jimmy Carter with charisma.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If it makes you feel good just leave it down.

I don't suppose you might have thought that the truck manufactures have tested this and if it did increase gas mileage by "any" amount they would use that fact when stating fuel economy ratings. There would be a section on this in their "Owners Manual" titled - Leave Your Tailgate Down For Better Mileage.

You can bet I will not be quoting your 10% self perceived increase in fuel economy!

84 posted on 05/23/2008 12:17:04 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232
You can bet I will not be quoting your 10% self perceived increase in fuel economy!

Who asked you to?

85 posted on 05/23/2008 12:28:06 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (No government can compete with the black market for drugs in financial compensation for LEOs.)
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To: Entrepreneur
Maybe they should reverse the purpose of the HOV diamond lanes. Why have the few cars with multiple occupants in the "fast lane," while all the other cars idle or inch along in the other lanes, wasting gas? Why not open all lanes to traffic and let the cars move along more quickly, get to their destinations sooner, and use less gas getting there?

-PJ

86 posted on 05/23/2008 12:37:16 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: P8riot
I am amused at the number of NASCAR wannabes I see on my daily commute. From my seat in the right lane I get to see them all act like genuine assholes behind the wheel.

Personally, I believe that anyone driving faster than me is a complete lunatic and a menace and that anyone driving slower is a complete idiot and a menace!

87 posted on 05/23/2008 12:42:10 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
("No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session." Mark Twain, 1866)

"Be grateful you aren't getting all of the government you're paying for!"

"Government inefficiency is really a blessing. Could you imagine an efficient IRS?"

88 posted on 05/23/2008 12:47:58 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Because that is all this amounts to ... revenue from speeding tickets.

Sounds like NotaDumbBlonde

89 posted on 05/23/2008 12:49:40 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: library user; llevrok
I already drive 55. That’s as fast as my Yugo will go.

You got a Yugo to go 55? You should contact the Guinness Book of World Records.

A friend of mine got the Yugo station wagon.

It's called a Wego.

ROTFLOL

Sorry, sometimes I amuse myself.

90 posted on 05/23/2008 12:52:46 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: Entrepreneur

I have my moments, LOL! ;-)


91 posted on 05/23/2008 1:01:00 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde ("When the government fears the people there is liberty ... " Thomas Jefferson)
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To: theBuckwheat
We cannot conserve our way to prosperity especially by zero-sum thinking disguised as conservation. Remember: American is the land of Opportunity, not Limits.

Buckwheat, that's one of my biggest problems with enviromarxism. They preach scarcity over prosperity. Their's is a pessimistic, cynical, negative outlook.

It's like there's a broad, global movement towards Jimmy Carter's malaise. I prefer Reagan's optimism.

This brings to mind the infamous wager between Julian Simon and Paul Erhlich. We need a Julian Simon today. The closest we've got is John Stossel.

I'm an optimist about everything surrounding the human spirit, which makes me a pessimist about everything surrounding government. Government smothers the human spirit.

Like my favorite beer, some government is beneficial and tastes good. Too much government may feel pretty good in the short term, but will leave you sick and hung over. Out of control government can kill you.

92 posted on 05/23/2008 1:07:52 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: Entrepreneur

Oh Shi’ite, not again!!! I’ve lived too many decades in a Nanny State and am sick to my stomach about it. Claire Wolfe, is it time yet?


93 posted on 05/23/2008 1:08:53 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (When hopelessness replaces hope, it opens the door to evil.)
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To: wallcrawlr

“IRFHFY”

I am not nearly savvy enough to understand that.


94 posted on 05/23/2008 1:17:57 PM PDT by Grunthor (In 2006, McCain voted against defining marriage between one man and one woman)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Maybe they should reverse the purpose of the HOV diamond lanes. Why have the few cars with multiple occupants in the "fast lane," while all the other cars idle or inch along in the other lanes, wasting gas? Why not open all lanes to traffic and let the cars move along more quickly, get to their destinations sooner, and use less gas getting there?

Yeah, that's one of my pet peeves. Take an 8 lane highway, cut out two HOV lanes, and all you do is reduce highway capacity by 25%, increasing congestion, pollution, aggravation, etc.

So why do we have the silly HOV lanes? That's easy...

1. Feelings - Libs "feel" better, smug, superior, and sanctimonious because they think they're "doing" something, even though it's little more than surrendering rights for a counterproductive purpose.

2. Revenue - There's lots of money fining HOV violators.

If you doubt the revenue, the fact that many areas are considering allowing anyone to use the HOV if they purchase a Speed Pass or Toll Tag. It's all about the revenue.

Frankly, I hope they do let people willing to pay a premium have access to HOV lanes. It will reduce congestion on other lanes. It's a voluntary tax. And if I value my time enough to pay a premium to get somewhere faster, I come out ahead and so do you (i.e., someone else takes on a greater tax burden, purportedly lowering yours - in truth the government will just waste the extra bounty).

95 posted on 05/23/2008 1:21:41 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: Entrepreneur

The war on the West continues.


96 posted on 05/23/2008 1:22:50 PM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: airborne

“Sorry, but my car gets better mileage at 65 than 55”
Not likely.


97 posted on 05/23/2008 2:32:30 PM PDT by rsobin
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To: rsobin

BUMP!


98 posted on 05/23/2008 3:00:51 PM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: rsobin
“Sorry, but my car gets better mileage at 65 than 55”

Not likely.

According to my on-board computer, but you believe whatever you like.

I pay the gas bill. I know.

99 posted on 05/23/2008 3:36:22 PM PDT by airborne (LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! LETS GO PENS!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!)
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