Skip to comments.Titanic search was cover for secret Cold War subs mission
Posted on 05/23/2008 3:36:24 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
The man who located the wreck of the Titanic has revealed that the discovery was a cover story to camouflage the real mission of inspecting the wrecks of two Cold War nuclear submarines.
When Bob Ballard led a team that pinpointed the wreckage of the liner in 1985 he had already completed his main task of finding out what happened to USS Thresher and USS Scorpion.
Both of the United States Navy vessels sank during the 1960s, killing more than 200 men and giving rise to fears that at least one of them, Scorpion, had been sunk by the USSR.
Dr Ballard, an oceanographer, has admitted that he located and inspected the wrecks for the US Navy in top secret missions before he was allowed to search for the Titanic.
Only once he had used his new underwater robot craft to map the submarine wreck sites was he able to use it to crisscross the North Atlantic seabed to pinpoint the last resting place of the luxury liner. It meant he had only 12 days to find the Titanic.
I couldnt tell anybody, he said. There was a lot of pressure on me. It was a secret mission. I felt it was a fair exchange for getting a chance to look for the Titanic.
We handed the data to the experts. They never told us what they concluded our job was to collect the data. I can only talk about it now because it has been declassified.
(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...
They weren't looking for him. He wasn't on the passenger list.
The story I heard was the torpedo battery design was poor, such that there was a risk of it overheating or maybe starting up the torpedo such that the drill was to get it overboard. That the torpedo would go active and start searching for the nearest contact, and out in the middle of nowhere that would be the sub.
Do torpedoes then have to be sensored ‘on’, or could you just push them out in a dead sensor/seek setting?
Did we have wire guided torpedoes then? I don't think so.
It’s not that the valves were incorrectly installed. The changes in the design of submarine seawater and ballast control systems were profound as the the result of the loss of Thresher. Biggest problem, air compressed in to high pressure air banks was not thoroughly dried. The rapid decompression that occurs during a main ballast tank blow is a significant endothermic event. When the air is not dry, ice forms in the curves and narrow parts of the pipe. When the air passages ice up, no air flows, if the MBTs ain’t dry, and you can’t get more air into them, you ain’t coming up, especially if you are taking on water.
I can understand how a visual examination could show that it was destroyed by a torpedo, but how the hell could you tell whose torpedo it was?
Ours say “Made in USA”?
Watch the video. Ice melts faster than metal.
“If you read a book called Blind Mans Bluff they describe how a tiny piece of membrane in the batteries broke down and created a hot running torpedo.”
Center fuel tank theory?
Wow. Unreal how treacherous Walker was.
“John Anthony Walker, Jr. (born July 28, 1937 in Washington D.C.) is a former Warrant Officer and communications specialist for the U.S. Navy convicted for selling his services as a spy to the Soviet Union from 1968 to 1985, the height of the Cold War era. Walker pleaded guilty in late 1985 as part of a plea arrangement whereby he offered testimony on co-conspirator Jerry Whitworth, provided details of his espionage activities and negotiated more lenient treatment for his son, Michael Walker. During his time as a spy, Walker helped the Soviets decipher over two hundred thousand classified encrypted naval messages, organizing a spy operation that The New York Times reported in 1987 “is sometimes described as the most damaging Soviet spy ring in history.””
Ballard has spent too much time in the pub. It’s all BS.
Please elaborate. I've shown the passage from Blind Mans Bluff to two submariners (attack subs) and they've both said the description is entirely plausible.
I served on a nuclear sub between 1983 to 1987. I never heard anybody even speculate that it was attacked.
Yeah the declassification of this information could very well lay the death of those sailors at the feet of john walker.
Ours say Made in
The standard submarine torpedo in the late 60's was the Mark 37, Mod 2 which was, I believe, wire guided.
It wasn’t a hot running torpedo, it was on fire. They theorized that the battery was one of a defective lot (records were lost) and the fire caused by the defective membrane was hot enough to set off a low order detonation.
The chapter on the search for the Scorpion was worth the price of the book by itself, but the whole book is excellent.
The Navy found Scorpion in 1968 and dove on it with the Trieste II.
And the U.S. gubmint will cover up the cause if it was anything other than an accident.
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