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Obama Quits Trinity
Townhall.com ^ | May 31, 2008 | Amanda Carpenter

Posted on 06/01/2008 3:51:33 AM PDT by Kaslin

Likely Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama has resigned from his controversial church, Trinity United Church of Christ.

“We don’t want to have to answer for everything that’s stated in that church,” Obama told reporters in Aberdeen, South Dakota during a rare Saturday night press conference.

Obama’s church came under intense scrutiny after videotapes were discovered of Obama’s longtime friend and former pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright making anti-American and racist statements in sermons earlier this spring. Obama’s initial reaction was to defend Wright, until Wright engaged on a media tour and reiterated many of his most offensive remarks.

Questions about the church were renewed last Sunday when another one of Obama’s Chicago friends, Father Michael Pfleger, made racist statements pointed at Obama’s Democratic rival Hillary Clinton.

"Rev. Moss, when Hillary was crying, and people said that was put on, I really don't believe it was put on," Pfleger said, recalling Clinton’s tearful press conference during the New Hampshire primary. "I really believe that she just always thought, 'This is mine! I'm Bill's wife, I'm white, and this is mine! I just gotta get up and step into the plate.' And then out of nowhere came, 'Hey, I'm Barack Obama,' and she said, 'Oh, damn! Where did you come from? I'm white! I'm entitled! There's a black man stealing my show!”

Obama expressed regret at having to leave his church of over 20 years. “I did not anticipate my fairly conventional Christian faith being subject to such challenge and such scrutiny,” he said in South Dakota.

Obama noted his resignation should not be interpreted as a denouncement of the church. “It’s not a church worthy of denouncing,” he said. Obama said his critics “they’ve seen caricatures of the church and accept those caricatures despite my insistence that’s not what the church is about and there’s not much I can do about it” with a defeatist tone.

TUCC issued a statement that said: “Though we are saddened by the news we understand this is a personal decision.”

Obama’s decision came shortly after a contentious meeting ended in Washington D.C. by the Democratic National Committee to determine how delegates from Michigan and Florida should be seated. Both states were punished by the DNC for moving up their primary dates and were thus stripped of their delegates.

The DNC decided Saturday to seat half of the delegates from Florida and Michigan and to specially allocate 69 of Michigan’s delegates to Clinton and 59 to Obama.

The compromise was fought intensely by Clinton’s surrogates who are unhappy with the outcome of the meeting. Clinton campaign strategist Harold Ickes said at the conclusion of the meeting that Clinton had asked him to reserve the right to challenge the compromise with the Democratic Credentials Committee. This tactic has been deemed the “nuclear option” by political analysts since it would likely extend the Democratic contest until the Democratic convention in Denver.


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1 posted on 06/01/2008 3:51:34 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

And it only took him 20 years to do it.

What a guy.


2 posted on 06/01/2008 3:52:43 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Kaslin

Notice that he quit after a WHITE, CATHOLIC priest took to the pulpit. Very Clever!!


3 posted on 06/01/2008 3:53:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Kaslin

What a Boobama, LOL!


4 posted on 06/01/2008 3:54:17 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ( :: FREE LAZAMATAZ! ::)
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To: samtheman

Well that makes him presidential /sarcasm


5 posted on 06/01/2008 3:55:02 AM PDT by Kaslin (Because the DemocRats lied and abetted the enemy, thousands died)
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To: Kaslin

I expected Father Flim-Flam to break out in a stirring rendition of Mammy!


6 posted on 06/01/2008 3:55:13 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus (( commander of the simian host))
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To: Kaslin

He can always join Pfleger’s church.


7 posted on 06/01/2008 3:56:07 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Sacajaweau
Petition For Removal of Father Pfleger
8 posted on 06/01/2008 3:56:18 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Kaslin

Yup.


9 posted on 06/01/2008 3:56:18 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Kaslin
Throws his church under the bus for POLITIAL ambition.

Just another politician...

10 posted on 06/01/2008 3:56:45 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: samtheman

“And it only took him 20 years to do it.

What a guy.”

You are who you hang with.


11 posted on 06/01/2008 3:57:45 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

And one of the people he “hangs with” is an unrepentant terrorist bomber.


12 posted on 06/01/2008 3:58:55 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Kaslin

I assume the MSM’s take on this will be that it innoculates him from further criticism.


13 posted on 06/01/2008 3:59:42 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Kaslin
I am not denouncing the church. I am not interested in people who want me to denounce the church because it's not a church worthy of denouncing.

This guy is definitely not ready for prime time.
14 posted on 06/01/2008 4:01:58 AM PDT by Krankor (kROGER)
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To: Kaslin

Likely Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama has resigned from his controversial church, Trinity United Church of Christ....

now b. HUSSEIN can come out of the closet and go to the mosque of his choice!!!


15 posted on 06/01/2008 4:09:07 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: Krankor

I’d really like to know which dummy is making him talk.


16 posted on 06/01/2008 4:10:36 AM PDT by equaviator ("There's a plane on the horizon coming in...see it?")
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To: Kaslin

Can Osama Barraka say to late?


17 posted on 06/01/2008 4:18:57 AM PDT by exnavy ( conservative, not republican)
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To: Kaslin

Now that he has thrown christianity under the bus he is free to go back to his muslim mosque where they preach the same thing as trinity.

There is a lot of stuff under that bus and it may not be able to move now.


18 posted on 06/01/2008 4:19:20 AM PDT by chainsaw ( No racist Muslims in the WH)
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To: Kaslin

“Despite my FAIRLY CONVENTIONAL CHRISTIAN FAITH!”
B.O.HUSSEIN, There is nothing conventional about your Faith, even remotely, it is a Hate filled Racist Mismash of retoric and your own Muslim ideaology germinated over your lifetime and pretending it disapeared yesterday wont hide your black theology beliefs from the American Public, at least the Americans with Brains. Ann Coulter has told us that if Democrats had any brains they would be Republicans. We can only pray they will wake up and see You for who you are and VOTE REPUBLICAN To Save America!


19 posted on 06/01/2008 4:20:02 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: Kaslin

Mr. Obama believes if we just sit down and talk with those who hate us we can turn Iraq around. Funny that he couldn’t do it with his own church.


20 posted on 06/01/2008 4:23:30 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Kaslin

I know everyone here has seen the video of the “sermon”. At the beginning, Pfleger rants and screams about the evil whitey and his evil assets that were only made attainable by the racism of his forefathers (no mention of hard work and sacrifice). The media is totally ignoring this part. They only hear the part about Hillary. The first part scared me to death! Hillary can fight back. How do we fight back against and “attitude”?


21 posted on 06/01/2008 4:23:34 AM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT
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To: Kaslin
“We don’t want to have to answer for everything that’s stated in that church,” Obama told reporters

And that is the closest to the truth in this entire speech; he's not upset with the language and the hatred coming from his church, he's just tired of explaining it.

22 posted on 06/01/2008 4:25:12 AM PDT by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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To: samtheman

Ditto, what a putz!


23 posted on 06/01/2008 4:27:32 AM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: Kaslin

I happened to have Fox News on when the press conference started. I’m surprised at how badly he does when he doesn’t have a teleprompter to read from, a lot of stuttering and false starts. It makes his debate performances seem like just that, performances memorized from a script of preanswered questions.


24 posted on 06/01/2008 4:27:49 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: chainsaw
Now that he has thrown christianity under the bus...

He didn't throw Christianity under the bus, he threw Black separatist racism under the bus. That Church doesn't preach Christian doctrine.

25 posted on 06/01/2008 4:28:01 AM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: Kaslin

“Obama noted his resignation should not be interpreted as a denouncement of the church. “It’s not a church worthy of denouncing,” he said.”

Horsehockey. Everyone focuses on the words of the pastors while ignoring the congregation. Look at these video tapes. The congregation is on it’s feet, clapping and cheering these words. The congregatin is exchanging ‘high-fives’. The congregation is in complete and total agreement with the racist sentiments of these pastors. You cannot separate the words of the pastors and the reaction of the congregation. Both are racist.

In addition, the congregation supported these pastors and their racist rhetoric by their financial support and their continued attendance.

Now, tell me again that this church is “... not a church worthy of denouncing,”


26 posted on 06/01/2008 4:30:19 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (A true patriot will do anything to keep a Democrat out of the White House.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

I was appalled by how badly Barry did last night. He actually ran away at the end of it! There is no way this man can be the POTUS, all else aside, he is just too inept.


27 posted on 06/01/2008 4:32:42 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Bernard

I had a flip reply to this: yeah, but it’s just like him ordering us to lay off his wife. The whole controversy takes one more thing off Obama’s table and further restricts his room for maneuver rhetorically. That’s always good, IMHO, though the alternate remains McCain, so we’re only winning a little bit (still, better than nothing).

Then I realized: has anyone heard a word from Michelle since her gaffe embarrassed the entire left? I think that this also shuts Pfleger up (even his Archbishop had to speak up to hint he should stop) and removes Christianity from the things the Democrats can attempt to co-opt. IMHO, that’s what the whole controvery originally was. The Dems thought they could simply adopt Christian postures and pretend, with the help of the MSM, that they actually were sensible and faithful Christians, just going out to do battle for the poor, like Christ ordered us to do.

What this all shows is that it wasn’t just cover, it was an open fraud because it exposes the truth that the Dems now have no idea what actually constitutes authentic Christian belief, practice or way of life. They can’t even convincingly fake it. The fraud is exposed and Christians can now stand up to preach true charity (from your own hand, thank you very much) and humility (we should be silent before the loving God who has made us and all things). We don’t have to be co-opted into repressive environmentalism and oppressive welfare entitlement. Those are secularist frauds perpetrated in Christ’s name for the financial and moral benefit of the perpetrators.

This is a good things, if only we could see it.


28 posted on 06/01/2008 4:34:16 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (what part of 'mias gunaikos andra' do Episcopalians not understand?)
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To: sageb1
Signed the petition. This “priest” is so far beyond a disgrace that it defies comprehension. He needs to be defrocked immediately.
29 posted on 06/01/2008 4:37:25 AM PDT by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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To: sageb1

Why sign the petition? The Church did nothing about their pedophile priests who were destroying little boys and girls until they were sued and prosecuted out the kaazoo! They are going to do nothing about this pervert unless the Holy See gets involved. The Bishop or Cardinal has encouraged this Idiot for years.


30 posted on 06/01/2008 4:39:27 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: bcsco
I'm not trying to parse words here but the false messiah has never made a direct condemnation of “Black Liberation Theology” to my knowledge. In fact, he refuses to answer any question concerning the tenants of this “religious” philosophy. The fact that he's listened to it's teachings for the last 20 years should make him an expert by now. In my eyes his actions are even worse than staying at this hate fest because according to what he's saying he left to protect it, not to condemn it.
31 posted on 06/01/2008 4:43:08 AM PDT by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Very selective & measured in his response to questions..I noticed that too but I think he’s just being VERY careful in his choice of WORDS. He doesn’t want to trip up & say what he really believes lest we see who’s behind that mask.


32 posted on 06/01/2008 4:44:36 AM PDT by FES0844 (FES0844)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

I had Fox News on too, and could only listen for about 30 seconds, in every second he went “uh” I finally had to mute my TV and just watched his mouth move


33 posted on 06/01/2008 4:45:20 AM PDT by Kaslin (Because the DemocRats lied and abetted the enemy, thousands died)
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To: Kaslin
“Though we are saddened by the news we understand this is a personal decision.”

It will be interesting to see how trinity, the congregation and black liberation theologist on whole respond to this.

34 posted on 06/01/2008 4:45:52 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: BelegStrongbow

> going out to do battle for the poor, like Christ ordered
> us to do.

Christ orderd *NO* *SUCH* *THING*!!

He ordered us to

1. Love God with all your heart, strength, soul, and mind.

2. Love others as you love yourself, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

3. Go and preach the gospel to all men, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Christ *DID* *NOT* participate in political activism.

Christ *DID* *NOT* advocate taking money from one man to give to another by threat of force.


35 posted on 06/01/2008 4:47:56 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: True Republican Patriot

I wouldn’t say that he has *encouraged* this wayward priest, but he needs to take very firm actions with him. In this case, it might be far better to communicate with the Vatican. That CAN be done, you know. The person to write to would be the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal William Joseph Levada.


36 posted on 06/01/2008 4:49:34 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: AmericaUnited
Yeah, "under the bus" was my first thought. For the Obamessiah, it's getting pretty darned crowded under his bus.

You have is ailing 85 year old grandmother, the Wrong Reverend Wright, now the entire congregation and new Pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ (Trinity is the UCC's token Black church).

It's not over, they better make more room under that Obama bus, because there's more on the way. Unrepentant terrorists Ayers and Dohrn aren't there yet, Tony Rezko hasn't been dealt with yet, Rashid Khalidi is still out there and who knows what other radicals, con men, frauds and terrorists from the Obamessiah's flock are still to be uncovered?

37 posted on 06/01/2008 4:51:46 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (I'm just a typical bitter, white, heteronormative space worm clinging to guns and God.)
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To: bcsco

“...he threw Black separatist racism under the bus”, yup after throwing grandma and his whiteness under the same bus to protect it...


38 posted on 06/01/2008 4:52:48 AM PDT by callthemlikeyouseethem (Miss England: "Even moderate Muslims are turning to terrorism to prove themselves.")
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

How astute that you noticed that. I watched him on interview and never saw so manys uhs in my life, it is obvious to me that when he gives a speec it is highly rehearsed.


39 posted on 06/01/2008 4:53:18 AM PDT by mel
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To: Westbrook

Hmm, well, yes I over-spoke. Christ said the poor would always be with us. You are right about what order has the most importance, but I wasn’t addressing that. I was addressing the further command that if we love those whom we can see, then we will be strengthened in our love for Him whom we cannot see. That was the basis for charity and care for the poor. Doing battle is indeed a poor choice of words in the case and I retract them. I contend that my criticism of Democrats in the case is otherwise sound.


40 posted on 06/01/2008 4:53:58 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (what part of 'mias gunaikos andra' do Episcopalians not understand?)
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To: bcsco

That Church doesn’t preach Christian doctrine.

Thank you for the correction. Your absolutely wright.


41 posted on 06/01/2008 4:54:03 AM PDT by chainsaw ( No racist Muslims in the WH)
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To: Westbrook

My husband and I listened to Senator Obama’s bumbling explanation yesterday. It is VERY obvious that he has swallowed the liberation theology message, which is NOT the true Christian Good News. This is why leaving his church changes nothing.

I am also amazed that Senator Obama seems to think that we might actually be unable to understnad that what he is doing here is simple political pandering. Amazing....


42 posted on 06/01/2008 4:54:32 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: AmericaUnited
Throws his church under the bus for POLITIAL ambition.

You're gonna need a bigger bus.

43 posted on 06/01/2008 4:55:36 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: Kakaze
It will be interesting to see how trinity, the congregation and black liberation theologist on whole respond to this.

Do you notice how the media ignores the congregation in all of this?

Everytime Rev Wright or Father Pfleger are on a rant, you can hear the congregation going right along with it in racous laughter and righteousness.

Obama is a member of that same congregation. He cannot separate himself from this racism so easily since he was a part of it for 20 years.

44 posted on 06/01/2008 5:00:13 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Kaslin
“We don’t want to have to answer for everything that’s stated in that church,” Obama told reporters in Aberdeen, South Dakota during a rare Saturday night press conference.

So it's not because of what Wright and Moss and Pfleger were saying, it's because you just don't want to have to field questions about it?

45 posted on 06/01/2008 5:00:35 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: RU88

In another thread Obama was quoted as saying he was leaving the church because he didn’t want to have to continue explaining them. He didn’t condemn them, he’s leaving because he doesn’t want the millstone around his neck during his run for office. That’s throwing the church under the bus.

But “Black Liberation Theology” is not Christianity. I’ve never been to such a church, but I question whether they even “worship” God. It would appear they “use” God’s Word as a means to roil the people against Whitey and the U.S.


46 posted on 06/01/2008 5:00:54 AM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: BelegStrongbow

> That was the basis for charity and care for the poor.

Yes, but charity, by definition, is voluntary.

It is good that you retracted, “..doing battle for the poor.” This has been used as cover by totalitarian thugs and Marxist rabble all over the world.


47 posted on 06/01/2008 5:01:08 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT
Substitute 'Jews' for 'Whites' in Reverend Pfleger's rant and you have a show worthy for Goebbels. It was racist demagoguery, hate incitement of the vilest sort. The Liberals still bring up Father Coughlin and paint him as a right wing radio talker, this guy puts Father Coughlin to shame.

Remember, first Obama said Rev Wright couldn't be denounced, then he denounced him. Now, Obama says Trinity United doesn't deserved to be denounced. But that's just Step One. Wait for the next couple of weeks, when Minister Farrakhan speaks at Trinity, then that Church will suddenly deserve to be denounced.

And man, oh man, what a trinity at Trinity: Wright, Pfleger, Farrahkan. What is wrong with Chicago? Is that what 100 years of Democrat Party rule brings?

48 posted on 06/01/2008 5:01:27 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (I'm just a typical bitter, white, heteronormative space worm clinging to guns and God.)
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To: Raycpa

“Mr. Obama believes if we just sit down and talk with those who hate us we can turn Iraq around. Funny that he couldn’t do it with his own church.”

You mean that Senator Obama doesn’t “practice what he preaches?”

;-o


49 posted on 06/01/2008 5:01:36 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: sageb1

Apparently they do not accept out-of-country signatures, but I will pray for your success and will say an extra Rosary today for the removal of this shameful excuse for a priest.


50 posted on 06/01/2008 5:03:07 AM PDT by Appleby
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