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Another Terri Schiavo Case may happen in Florida
Orlando Sentinel ^ | June 3, 2008 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/03/2008 8:02:11 PM PDT by jy22077

A Florida woman put on a feeding tube after she had a stroke is at the center of a court case that is eerily similar to the lengthy legal dispute over whether Terri Schiavo should be kept alive.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: terrischiavo
Please make www.terrisfight.org (info@terrisfight.org) aware of this. Please make pro-life outlets aware of this.
1 posted on 06/03/2008 8:02:12 PM PDT by jy22077
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To: jy22077

Check her out of there and get her out of the state pronto.


2 posted on 06/03/2008 8:05:12 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: 8mmMauser; Lesforlife

ping...


3 posted on 06/03/2008 8:08:36 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The new John McCain Whig Party - Because the ash heap still has room on it.)
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To: jy22077

Here we go again. I am sitting this one out in light of what happened on this forum last time.

I will only say this, I don’t know one person who would like to live this way. It is hard to accept that the person you loved is not there anymore just their body. My father died in November and for about two days I refused to consent to removing his breathing tube. I had to do this once before on my two year old son. It is hard, I loved my father so much that in the end I had to let him go.

anyway my two cents.


4 posted on 06/03/2008 8:16:18 PM PDT by waxer1 (What exactly is meant by "we are going to take our country back")
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To: EternalVigilance
The state and local laws say clearly that if she can not communicate and has not made prior wishes known in varying legal documents then this decision is solely the responsibility of her husband.
I see this one taking off just like it did last time and in the end this simple fact prevailed.
Having had to face a similar situation in the past I know how difficult the husbands situation really is. I also know how hard it is to turn loose of a child.
Let this man alone. The courts have appointed someone to represent this lady. The doctors were right in the last media frenzy and the courts made the right decision.
5 posted on 06/03/2008 8:18:00 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: wagglebee

ping


6 posted on 06/03/2008 8:18:25 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: oldenuff2no
The courts have appointed someone to represent this lady

Have our judicial oligarchs issued a death warrant for an innocent person yet?

...the courts made the right decision.

Since when does a court have a right to ignore the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments and their state constitutions and kill uncharged, untried, unconvicted, innocent Americans, even by the most cruel and unusual of means?

People who think like you do have destroyed the cornerstone of American liberty.

7 posted on 06/03/2008 8:22:43 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The new John McCain Whig Party - Because the ash heap still has room on it.)
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To: oldenuff2no

“The doctors were right in the last media frenzy and the courts made the right decision.”

No They Weren’t.


8 posted on 06/03/2008 8:23:37 PM PDT by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: waxer1

Do you know the meaning of the word “unalienable?”


9 posted on 06/03/2008 8:23:40 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The new John McCain Whig Party - Because the ash heap still has room on it.)
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To: jy22077

The comments below the article are quite interesting.

While I think the issue at the time was a lot less open and shut than was portrayed by the media, it seems clear that the whole Schiavo issue was a PR and public perception disaster for conservatism and (especially) the GOP.

Medical and family decisions were being made by politicians and legislatures, violating existing rules as needed to achieve a desired result.

Isn’t the attempt to change the rules in the middle of the game, and even after the game was over, exactly what we rightly criticized about Democrat behavior in the 2000 election?


10 posted on 06/03/2008 8:30:00 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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To: waxer1

I agree. Letting my father go after Alzheimer’s had destroyed his mind so thoroughly he could no longer swallow was a blessing, not a curse. Legally, it’s up to the husband. Let the husband decide.


11 posted on 06/03/2008 8:32:32 PM PDT by mavfin
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To: jy22077
I live in Florida and had a feeding tube (PEG) inserted 3 weeks ago because I can no longer swallow anything liquid or solid due to cancer.

My life insuarnce is paid through August. Do I have to worry my wife can have a court order it's removal?

12 posted on 06/03/2008 8:35:12 PM PDT by moonman
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To: waxer1

Well, the only thing is, your experience is not everyone’s experience. Ya know?


13 posted on 06/03/2008 8:36:04 PM PDT by DeLaine
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To: oldenuff2no
When the spouse has given up, custody should be given back to the parents or other willing relatives. His insistence her life be taken suggests there is money or a girlfriend, or both, involved.

And wouldn't a true vegetative state negate the need for powerful pain medications???

14 posted on 06/03/2008 8:42:01 PM PDT by taraytarah
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To: moonman

We are the same age, and I joined Free Republic just a month before you did. Are you battling cancer? I will include you in my daily Rosary prayers. God removes things from us (including life itself) so that we will need to go to Him for everything. I teach high school, and that thought is from the last thing we cover in the year, The Hound of Heaven (an poem by a Victorian English opium addict).


15 posted on 06/03/2008 8:56:16 PM PDT by jobim
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To: mavfin
I agree. Letting my father go after Alzheimer’s had destroyed his mind so thoroughly he could no longer swallow was a blessing, not a curse. Legally, it’s up to the husband. Let the husband decide.

What if the husband stands to get $1million upon wifes death and he already has kids with another woman? I'd say there is a conflict in interest there.
16 posted on 06/03/2008 9:28:40 PM PDT by CMS (I think that warning labels should be done away with and allow natural selection to take its course)
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To: Sherman Logan
While I think the issue at the time was a lot less open and shut than was portrayed by the media, it seems clear that the whole Schiavo issue was a PR and public perception disaster for conservatism and (especially) the GOP.

Greeeatt.

Obama and the other rats are probably salivating over this. If this becomes a big issue like last time he wins 40+ states and the rats will most certainly will end up with more than a filibuster proof majority.

17 posted on 06/03/2008 9:28:53 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: oldenuff2no
The state and local laws say clearly that if she can not communicate and has not made prior wishes known in varying legal documents then this decision is solely the responsibility of her husband.

At least in Terri's case, that was not true. The only reason Mr. Schiavo was allowed to fatally dehydrate his wife is that he claimed that's what she'd said she'd want, Judge Greer apparently believed him, and no other judge was willing to question Judge Greer's judgment.

Many of us here do not believe that a man who has pledged to marry another woman as soon as his wife has died can be considered a credible witness to his wife's wishes. Further, Mr. Schiavo did everything possible to prevent an honest evaluation of Terri's condition by skilled but impartial observers. Why?

18 posted on 06/03/2008 9:38:54 PM PDT by supercat
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To: CMS
What if the husband stands to get $1million upon wifes death and he already has kids with another woman? I'd say there is a conflict in interest there.

There's a court case on this one. It's being investigated. If you can find evidence of such a thing, then post it. Otherwise, don't bring me this crap. If the family wants her left on life-support, are they going to ruin themselves financially to do so? Or is the husband expected to do so on their wishes? Or is the taxpayer footing the bill for her continued care? Not every husband who agrees with the doctors to take his wife off life-support is an opportunist or a murderer. There comes a time when you have to let them go.

Now, I'm not saying that there isn't problems in this case, as I have no idea. As above, now that there's a court case, it will be investigated. This knee-jerk reaction anytime this happens that automatically vilifies the husband is wrong.

19 posted on 06/03/2008 9:53:13 PM PDT by mavfin
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To: swmobuffalo
Autopsy Autopsy Autopsy... Yes the docs were right the autopsy sustained their views with provable fact.
I understand that people have their own feelings and opinions on this matter but you are not entitled to your own facts.
20 posted on 06/03/2008 10:05:17 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: taraytarah
“And wouldn't a true vegetative state negate the need for powerful pain medications???”

Maybe and maybe not. I'm not a doc and I'm not reading her medical records. My best friend is a doc and when I asked him this question I got an ear full. This issue on the use of pain meds is debated even among docs.

21 posted on 06/03/2008 10:10:23 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no
I would consider reacting to pain a form of communication.

These people use the term "vegetative-state" to imply the patient does not interact with stimuli.

So, which is it? Does she interact, or not?

22 posted on 06/03/2008 10:23:50 PM PDT by taraytarah
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To: mavfin
We can not sit back and play the what if game or demand a certain outcome because of the way we “feel, or what we “Believe.”
We are a nation of laws and the rule of law must prevail. If you don't like the laws then work to change them but don't rake this man over the coals because you think God is telling you what to say or because your socialist moral outrage is making you stupid.
I'm about as far right as one can get and not be labeled a kook but my personal position is not based on religion. All conservatives are not drooling bible thumpers as the left would like you to believe. As long as this man stays between the lines of the applicable laws then he has a right to make his own decisions as he sees fit. The government and a bunch of do gooder strangers need to leave him alone and stay out of it. This man is faced with an impossible decision we must accept the fact that he knows as much about the total situation as anyone on this earth. He is also the one person who has any law supported legal say in this matter.
23 posted on 06/03/2008 10:24:22 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: taraytarah
No one here has said anything about her reacting to pain. Meds are prescribed on a just in case basis all the time. Nice try but you assumptions are not going to lead me anywhere.
24 posted on 06/03/2008 10:26:31 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no
We are a nation of laws and the rule of law must prevail. If you don't like the laws then work to change them but don't rake this man over the coals because you think God is telling you what to say or because your socialist moral outrage is making you stupid.

Agreed. If you want this done differently, than change the laws.

25 posted on 06/03/2008 10:29:23 PM PDT by mavfin
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To: oldenuff2no
Meds are prescribed on a just in case basis all the time.

And shouldn't her life be preserved "just in case"...

I wasn't try to lead you, personally, anywhere. Didn't really know where you stood. I can now, however, clearly assume where that is.

I will not try to influence you. That would be fruitless and a waste of time.

26 posted on 06/03/2008 10:31:44 PM PDT by taraytarah
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To: mavfin
Thanks Mav.
I have my own beliefs and they are all written down and everyone who needs to know has a copy. I don't need to tell the world nor is it the worlds business.
Going through the death process with someone you love is a life changing process. Letting a child go is a process of agony. Letting a spouse go is to visit a personal hell.
Lt this man alone so he and his in-laws can get this sorted out in the best way possible. There is already more than enough pain to go around in this case.
27 posted on 06/03/2008 10:34:33 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: taraytarah
You are right about one thing. Having been in the position of having to make a couple of these decisions you will never convince me that you have the right to decide this for anyone except your own immediate family. Many millions of us have been there and done that. The odds are that if you haven't had to live that part of life yet then it is only a matter of time. I hope people let you alone when you turn comes.
28 posted on 06/03/2008 10:42:50 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no
I'm sorry you have had to go through such trauma. I imagined you had. I have also personally experienced this and have witnessed 3 comas in friends whose families never gave up. Two recovered; one made continual improvements prior to succumbing to illness.

Regardless of the "just in case" reasoning, pain medications are sometimes a means for more expedient degeneration.

No one, let me emphasize NO ONE should ever have the right to take away the life of a mother's child, NO MATTER the child's age. You can't get more "immediate" than mother/child.

Again, I am sorry for what you went through. My intention is not to cause you to feel defensive. It is rather to defend the god-given right of a mother who wants to care for her needy, once-again-dependent child.

29 posted on 06/03/2008 11:08:23 PM PDT by taraytarah
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To: taraytarah
Thanks for your thoughts.
I'll put this into another perspective. When something like this happens and you have heard each and every word the docs have said and they have determined that feeding tubes and or mechanical devices are all that are keeping a comatose loved one alive you have an impossible choice to make. Many times there has been a discussion with that person where you learned exactly what they would want you to do for them if they ever became that patient. At that point for me it became all important for me to carry our her one last wish. This was the final and hardest part of my commitment to her. When the docs said that we had crossed a certain line I was going to carry out her wishes no matter what anyone else said. Never get this mixed up with what I wanted to happen.
It took me years to under stand that her wishes were a gift of love to me.
Life is good for me now and I found love again. It took a while but still happened before I thought it would.
Let this guy alone and let him find his right way through this horrific nightmare.
30 posted on 06/04/2008 12:38:50 AM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: jy22077; EternalVigilance
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


31 posted on 06/04/2008 3:34:25 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: qam1

I think the Schiavo case was perhaps the major turning point leading to the present general public disgust with social conservatives in political power.

Is the public’s perception of the issue fair and accurate? Probably not, but in elections perception creates reality.


32 posted on 06/04/2008 3:37:24 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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To: DeLaine

Yes, I realize that. But, I feel the families the next of kin, that is should have the final say. Not the public sector. This is a very private matter and the bottom line is that it is the family and not the public’s business. This is not the only case like this out there. I guess if a family member doesn’t like it, all they have to do is drag the public into it. I find that sickening. I guess we’ll see what the experts say on this.


33 posted on 06/04/2008 5:56:50 AM PDT by waxer1 (What exactly is meant by "we are going to take our country back")
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To: EternalVigilance

What are you talking about? expand please.


34 posted on 06/04/2008 5:57:57 AM PDT by waxer1 (What exactly is meant by "we are going to take our country back")
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To: waxer1

The right to life is unalienable.

Unalienable means that it cannot rightfully be taken from you. But, it means even more than that. It means you can’t even give it away, because it ultimately belongs to the Sovereign, though He has given it to you as a grant, or a gift.


35 posted on 06/04/2008 6:30:06 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The new John McCain Whig Party - Because the ash heap still has room on it.)
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To: waxer1
I feel

Liberals feel. Conservatives think.

36 posted on 06/04/2008 6:31:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The new John McCain Whig Party - Because the ash heap still has room on it.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Ok, The Family, next of kin....


37 posted on 06/04/2008 6:36:40 AM PDT by waxer1 (What exactly is meant by "we are going to take our country back")
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To: EternalVigilance

I really dont want to be dragged into the argument. I am going to assume that before this particular situation is over there is going to be a lot of arguing over this matter. I dont know these people or the circumstances. I just stated my opinion period. The last time this happened many many posters on this forum were banned for stating their opinions opposite of the ones that wanted to keep her alive. They were treated badly and in some cases banned for awhile. only because of an opposite view.


38 posted on 06/04/2008 6:40:43 AM PDT by waxer1 (What exactly is meant by "we are going to take our country back")
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To: jobim

Yes, I have inoperable cancer of the throat & tongue area that is spreading. Radiation and chemo didn’t work. Hospice is coming today to give my wife and I information. Thanks for your prayers and well wishes.


39 posted on 06/04/2008 6:42:58 AM PDT by moonman
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To: oldenuff2no
That must have been a real nightmare for you. Again, I'm sorry for your loss and for the pain it caused.

This woman has indicated a will to live.

She has not been given the necessary time required to be rebilitated from a stroke.

It is documented that she is responsive to those she wants to be. (I've seen patients totally "lock down" when someone they don't trust approaches them. And anyone knows how pain medications can affect alertness and responsiveness, for heaven's sake.)

She has a family wiling to take care of her and give her more time.

Her husband is able to divorce her and move on.

This is their story; not yours. You made the best decision you could, based on your circumstances. Her family should be allowed to assume her care, leaving the husband to move on with his life.

40 posted on 06/04/2008 8:35:59 AM PDT by taraytarah
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To: oldenuff2no

“I understand that people have their own feelings and opinions on this matter but you are not entitled to your own facts.”

Never claimed any “facts” other than the ones I saw with my own eyes. Video of Terri interacting, witness statements from doctors and nurses who claimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of what her “loving” husband claimed. Those are “my” facts. Now either the family, the doctors and the nurses were all liars or Terri was murdered by her husband in collusion with the state of Florida.


41 posted on 06/04/2008 2:28:47 PM PDT by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: moonman

Have you made your wishes known via a Living Will?


42 posted on 06/04/2008 7:24:42 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (I tried to explain that I meant it as a compliment, but that only appears to have made things worse.)
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