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Catholics Debate Obama Vote
townhall.com ^ | June 06, 2008 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

Posted on 06/08/2008 10:22:04 AM PDT by kellynla

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To: Salvation
You really want Obama to win, don’t you?

I'm no longer going to buy the latest of the crap sandwiches that the GOP has been putting up for the presidency every four years since 1988.

And I don't want Obama to win. So here's an idea: why don't conservatives figure out who really is the true conservative running and vote him/her instead of a geriatric psychotic egotist who has been anointed the heir apparent by the old boys in the GOP country club?

Think how much better our country would have been if real conservatives hadn't thrown their votes away voting for GWH Bush in 1992 and voted for Ross Perot instead.

51 posted on 06/08/2008 1:59:01 PM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: SumProVita
Vote for Bob Barr, or write in Tom Tancredo or Lou Barletta. This will take votes away from McCain...and GIVE the election to Obama.

Here's a novelty for you: why not work for something instead of just against something?Instead of voting against Obama, why don't you actually vote for someone? Vote for a real conservative instead of just against Obama.

I threw my vote away in 1992 voting for GHW Bush, when if I were true to my principles I would have voted for Perot. That was an oppurtunity that many of us real conservatives itching to do the prudent thing wasted.

And don't be so cowardly. Dare to dream. Think how much better off we finally were because we followed the dreams of Ronald Reagan instead of the timorous compromising of Gerald Ford.

52 posted on 06/08/2008 2:06:22 PM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: Chucky is a girlie man; kellynla
Divorce and abandoning one’s crippled wife for a younger, hotter, rich girl also isn’t indicative of “good family values.”

And MacCain's history of serial adultery is all of a piece with his history of never ending betrayals and arrogant disregard of the people closest to him. Here's hoping all you MacCainiacs feel better when he plants a shiv between your ribs because he carries the magical "R" after his name.

53 posted on 06/08/2008 2:10:27 PM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: Salvation
Any Catholic who votes for Obama is automatically excommunicating themselves.

You know it's no longer the 14th century?

54 posted on 06/08/2008 2:12:41 PM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: kellynla; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
Obama not only supports abortion at every phase of pregnancy, he also supports infanticide. Can a Catholic, who understands and supports Church teachings vote for Obama? Such a person would not even consider him. CINOs will continue to vote party lines.

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55 posted on 06/08/2008 2:35:48 PM PDT by NYer (Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: Cuchulain

Are you talking about Lopez or the person who posed the question?


56 posted on 06/08/2008 3:00:53 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: E. Cartman
Vote for Bob Barr, or write in Tom Tancredo or Lou Barletta.

And end up electing Barry Hussein Obama.

57 posted on 06/08/2008 3:05:20 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham
And end up electing Barry Hussein Obama.

You know, Nancy, it's really too bad you and your girlfriends can't actually fight for something.

58 posted on 06/08/2008 3:11:42 PM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: DarthVader
abortion: yes.

what's to debate?

59 posted on 06/08/2008 3:43:40 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Obama's a front man. Who's behind him?)
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To: socialismisinsidious

Regrettably, abortion is just a “speed bump” for some in consideration of the other social issues where the Democrats more or less align themselves with general Church teachings, such as care for the poor, food pantries, etc.

Of course, the motivations for this support are totally different — in one case, it is a natural outflow from the Faith, whereas in the other instance it’s just a means to political power by garnering as many votes as possible.

The government turning you over and shaking the money out of your pockets to redistribute “for the common good” is NOT charity and actually can be detrimental to its true spirit. A disturbing aspect of this happened once where I had heard a Catholic say, upon being approached by a solicitor from a well-known and respected institution, that “why should [he] give to {the charity}? That’s what my taxes are for!”


60 posted on 06/08/2008 5:13:27 PM PDT by mikrofon (Catholic LIFE Bump)
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To: mikrofon

This is from American Thinker:

Pope Benedict XVI (writing as Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger) give an equally stringent message to Catholics about liberation theology regarding the perversion of the Christian understanding of the “poor”:

“In its positive meaning the Church of the poor signifies the preference given to the poor, without exclusion, whatever the form of their poverty, because they are preferred by God…But the theologies of liberation…go on to a disastrous confusion between the poor of the Scripture and the proletariat of Marx. In this way they pervert the Christian meaning of the poor, and they transform the fight for the rights of the poor into a class fight within the ideological perspective of the class struggle.”

According to Pope Benedict’s instruction on liberation theology, our understanding of the virtues, faith, hope and charity are subjugated to the new Marxist order:

Faith becomes “fidelity to history.”

We are the ones we’ve been waiting for, to bring about the final fruition of the class struggle.

Hope becomes “confidence in the future.”

Yes, we can change the world; we don’t need God. Our collective redemption comes when we engage in the Marxist class struggle.

Charity becomes “option for the poor.”

All are not created equal. Special political privilege for the oppressed, socialism, will set us free.

It’s the dawn of a new age.


61 posted on 06/08/2008 5:14:24 PM PDT by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: kellynla

Since most RC’s I know are also union thugs, no question. Anyone not voting for Osamabamba will be sanctioned.


62 posted on 06/08/2008 5:46:38 PM PDT by j_tull (Massachusetts, the Gay State. Once leader of the American Revolution, now leading its demise.)
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To: j_tull

“Since most RC’s I know are also union thugs, no question?”

You might want to expand your group of acquaintances. LOL

Or is anyone who is a union member considered by you to be a “thug”.

“Anyone not voting for Osamabamba will be sanctioned?”

And just how would anyone know who voted for whom?

You are sober aren’t you, Sailor? ;-}


63 posted on 06/08/2008 5:54:38 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Or is anyone who is a union member considered by you to be a “thug”. yes

And just how would anyone know who voted for whom? thuggery

You are sober aren’t you, Sailor? ;-}

as far as you know, absolutely. 8^)

64 posted on 06/08/2008 6:10:18 PM PDT by j_tull (Massachusetts, the Gay State. Once leader of the American Revolution, now leading its demise.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Lopez.


65 posted on 06/08/2008 6:28:52 PM PDT by Cuchulain ("...never treat with the enemy; never surrender to his mercy, but fight to the finish.")
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To: j_tull
Or is anyone who is a union member considered by you to be a “thug”. yes
And just how would anyone know who voted for whom? thuggery


well, at least you don't hid your bigotry & ignorance


how you managed to get in much less remain in the USN with that attitude & stupidity borders on criminal
glad I didn't have to serve with you...
you wouldn't have made 20 days much less 20 years.
66 posted on 06/08/2008 8:09:47 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: E. Cartman

I am voting FOR what is best in this situation. I live in the REAL world ....not the world of dreams.


67 posted on 06/09/2008 4:31:02 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: Gondring
Did you read the entire article? Non negotiable means something.
68 posted on 06/09/2008 7:16:30 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: SumProVita
I am voting FOR what is best in this situation. I live in the REAL world ....not the world of dreams.

So, you think you should follow whatever someone else dictates to you? How very brave. In your next life, I hope you come back as something with a spine.

69 posted on 06/09/2008 12:27:17 PM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: kellynla
Good heavens kellyn. How did you survive a day in Uncle Sam's canoe club? Your complete lack of a sense of humor, coupled your total inability to detect sarcasm must have made your Navy days fairly painful. I guessing you must have been a junior nuke officer, all brains, no sense. < /sarcasm > sheesh.
70 posted on 06/09/2008 1:47:06 PM PDT by j_tull (Massachusetts, the Gay State. Once leader of the American Revolution, now leading its demise.)
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To: socialismisinsidious
Did you read the entire article?

Yes. Did you?

Non negotiable means something

Of course it does. And the Pope said: "...she is thereby consciously drawing particular attention to principles which are not negotiable. Among these the following emerge clearly today: the protection of life in all its stages..."

Okay, so tell me how the death penalty and war don't fit into that non-negotiable category.

71 posted on 06/09/2008 3:57:28 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

Catholic Doctrine states that war and capital punishment are justifiable under certain circumstances. I’m not going to fight theology with you. Look it up, read the Catechism of the Catholic Church if you are interested in learning more.


72 posted on 06/10/2008 6:35:01 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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