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1 posted on 06/08/2008 10:22:04 AM PDT by kellynla
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2 posted on 06/08/2008 10:22:31 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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... who went from being a Mitt Romney adviser to an Obama supporter.

Which shows that he is well versed in political expediency.

3 posted on 06/08/2008 10:25:30 AM PDT by glorgau
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Can a Catholic be for Barack Obama?

No, nor can any other true Christian.


4 posted on 06/08/2008 10:30:49 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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I thought B.O. was the “messiah” (cough)?

Now where are those pesky nails...


5 posted on 06/08/2008 10:32:29 AM PDT by max americana
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"Can a Catholic be for Barack Obama?"

Sure. Same as the Jews voted for Keith Ellison.

7 posted on 06/08/2008 10:37:55 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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I was asked, in all seriousness, if Catholics can even vote. After all, war is bad. The death penalty is bad. Abortion is bad.

How insulting. This question was asked by a Clueless, whose goal was to insult and who has no idea what it means to be a Catholic, knows nothing of the Catholic Church and doesn't really want to know.

Worth repeating:
Catholics need to know what their Church teaches. Know your candidate. Know abortion isn't just any issue.
8 posted on 06/08/2008 10:39:42 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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Can a Catholic be for Barack Obama?
 
No.  The Catholic Church has denounced liberation theology, socialism, and is passionately pro-life.  (Nor does the Church endorse unrestrained Capitalism, but neither does America.)
 
The Vatican has renewed its commitment to the war on terror and has condemned climate alarmists.   The Church has long aknowledged freedom as the safekeeper of the natural law and of human rights. 
 
A Catholic can vote for a Democrat but not for the radical Barack Obama.  Obama is a finger in the face of the See of Peter.
 
 
 

10 posted on 06/08/2008 10:46:56 AM PDT by littlehouse36 (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. -- G. K. Chesterton)
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We stopped Saddam Hussein’s reign of terror. He was responsible for the deaths of 1.3 million innocents. We don’t target innocents and go out of our way to protect them. The enemy slaughters innocents. This Catholic is behind a war whose purpose is to stop evil.

Barack Obama would not even vote yes to protect an aborted baby who was alive when ripped from the womb. How can any Catholic support that?


11 posted on 06/08/2008 10:47:05 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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It's the kind of reason we will be able to explain, with a clean heart, to the victims of abortion when we meet them face to face in the next life -- which we most certainly will.

No offense intended, but is this really Catholic doctrine?

Every fertilized egg, natural miscarriage and induced abortion is an immortal soul that presumably goes to heaven, since it has had no chance to sin? That will significantly increase the population.

14 posted on 06/08/2008 10:49:27 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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The writer must not be familiar with the “Just War Doctrine” of the Catholic Church.


16 posted on 06/08/2008 10:52:22 AM PDT by Cuchulain ("...never treat with the enemy; never surrender to his mercy, but fight to the finish.")
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Can a Catholic be for Barack Obama?

The question should be how could an American vote for Obama.
Should not any person that wants to be the President of the United States at least believe in their core that America is the greatest Nation on the planet and its people are the best?
I know it is not a written requirement in the Constitution but it is one of those things that our founders could never have believed needed addressed.

17 posted on 06/08/2008 11:01:09 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Patriot Guard Riders - Standing for those that stood for us.)
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Here’s my debate: NO.

It isn’t just Obambi’s disregard for life, it is his Marxian worldview and his choice of friends.


18 posted on 06/08/2008 11:05:25 AM PDT by OpusatFR (School of Cynics)
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The answer is an emphatic NO.


19 posted on 06/08/2008 11:05:40 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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-— Can a Catholic be for Barack Obama? -—

Not one that’s got an ounce of morals.


20 posted on 06/08/2008 11:06:31 AM PDT by boycott
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Contraception, masturbation etc. are like all sins, sins of selfishness, putting our own pleasures before God. They are acts of the individual and most often affect no other person beyond the actor( actors in the case of a couple.) But abortion reaches beyond as it impacts the existence of another human.

The Holy Church sees contraception as sinful, but it understands that many others do not and to seek to impose Catholic dogma on the public is at best a return to medieval times. Abortion, however, is the taking of innocent human life and that action demands the Church speak out and endeavor to influence society.

Most non Catholics, and some Catholics, do not see the nuance here. They look at Church efforts against abortion as being the same as compelling Sunday Mass or meatless Fridays. Just another Catholic religious practice and belief that should never be imposed on non Catholics.

A question I always ask these people is are they absolutely sure the embryo is not a human life? If they are 100%certain then I cannot hope to sway them, but if they have even the slightest doubt, I turn the argument against capital punishment upon them. If there is the slightest question of guilt or responsibility for a crime then the final punishment should never be invoked. If there is the slightest possibilty of the true humanity of that embryo then ending its existence should never be an option.

21 posted on 06/08/2008 11:06:38 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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Barack Obama voted against the Born Alive Protection Act in the Illinois Senate. He’s a radical abortionist, baby killer, and by that vote, shows he supports infanticide. What’s the question here?

As the bumper sticker says: “You Cannot be Catholic and be in Favor of Abortion”


24 posted on 06/08/2008 11:11:21 AM PDT by RooRoobird20 (Thankkfully Converted Catholic)
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No Catholic can vote for ;BabyKiller Obama' since he has voted repeatedly to support abortion and partial birth abortion. He also takes and gets earmarks for Planned Parenthood.

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

1: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2271  (618 bytes )  preview document matches
1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm
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2: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2272  (580 bytes )  preview document matches
2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm
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3: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2322  (290 bytes )  preview document matches
2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm
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4: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2274  (554 bytes )  preview document matches
gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

25 posted on 06/08/2008 11:14:17 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Catholics Debate Obama Vote

US Bishops Urge Voters to Give Priority to Life [Ecumenical]

Corralling the Catholic vote: Political necessity or pipe dream?

DOUG KMIEC: Catholic Reasons for Hope in the General Election

EDITORIAL: Why This Catholic Dreads the Campaign The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)

Thoughts On ‘Roman Catholics For Obama’

How Obama's Catholics Will Dodge the Infanticide Question

Catholic Pro-Life Leader Feuds With Barack Obama's "Catholic" Backers

McCain and the Pope: McCain cannot win in November without the Catholic vote (Reagan re-visited?)

Catholics Cannot Vote for Pols Who Support Abortion, Except for Morally Grave Reasons: KY Bishops

26 posted on 06/08/2008 11:16:11 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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catholics voting for b. HUSSEIN is no different than Jews voting for b. HUSSEIN.....this closet muzzie will sell out both groups!!!!


39 posted on 06/08/2008 11:56:42 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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Can a Catholic be for Barack Obama?

Only if that voter believes that the pope isn't Catholic.

How a practical, practicing Catholic could support ANY candidate that belongs to the party of death is difficult to understand.

40 posted on 06/08/2008 11:57:30 AM PDT by CWWren (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress....but I repeat myself.)
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