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It does matter whether or not Obama was raised a Muslim
Cross Action News ^ | 6-13-08 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 06/13/2008 6:57:50 AM PDT by Victory111

Again: if Obama had simply acknowledged that he was known as a Muslim as a child in Indonesia, and had left Islam later, none of this (besides the ties to the Islamic supremacists in Kenya) would be of any concern. But he has made it a matter of concern by denying what has been affirmed by so many others.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; audacity; exmuslims; husseinobama; koran; muslim; obama; robertspencer

1 posted on 06/13/2008 6:57:50 AM PDT by Victory111
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To: Victory111

If he was raised a muslim and now is a Catholic then the muzzies will want to kill him for deserting the “Religion of Peace (tm)”


2 posted on 06/13/2008 7:00:00 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Victory111

I think this matters more:
that his new religion is more radical than Islam.


3 posted on 06/13/2008 7:05:15 AM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: Victory111

It really doesn’t matter if he lied about either. The election will not turn on whether of not he was particularly honest about something he may barely remember from his childhood.


4 posted on 06/13/2008 7:06:37 AM PDT by Homer1
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To: Victory111

“But he has made it a matter of concern by denying what has been affirmed by so many others.”

quite correct


5 posted on 06/13/2008 7:12:42 AM PDT by devere
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To: Homer1

Seems to me a man that states hearing the Moslems call to prayer one of the most beautiful sounds he has ever heard is a Moslem.


6 posted on 06/13/2008 7:12:48 AM PDT by rocksblues (Folks we are in trouble, "Mark Levin" 03/26/08)
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To: Victory111
He is an obvious grifter and confidence man, a racist, and Marxist who was raised and sympathizes with Muslims.

A perfect candidate for the MSM to mold and manufacturer.
7 posted on 06/13/2008 7:12:58 AM PDT by roses of sharon ( (Who will be McCain's maverick?))
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To: Mr. K

There’s an unfortunate aspect to this. He could be completely and utterly serious when he claims he has never been a Muslim. I actually believe him - I think he has no true religious life except the one he found in Trinity Church (and that was only due to the socialist/marxist underpinnings peeking through the dead flesh of the corpse of faith in that church).

But let’s give him the benefit of the doubt because, like it or not, he IS more truthful than Clinton (but then again, who isn’t?).

So while he may honestly believe he never was a Muslim, and under reasonable standards of you and I it would indeed be true. But that isn’t the case for Muslims.

See, they don’t accept a personal choice in the matter. All that matters to them is “Did he recite that Muhammed was the prophet of Allah and that Allah was God?”
Being in a muslim school no matter how “moderate” means that he did indeed recite such a rote phrase - reflexively, without intent.

That lack of intent means nothing to the Wahabbi sect. The lack of intent, or of interest, or even of understanding means nothing. Only the magic words matter - and under their primitive medieval belief systems that means he is and always will be a Muslim. Since he went on to publicly reject Islam by joining a Christian church, they view him as an Apostate.

And for those 8th century barbarians, Apostate means the death sentence.

He’s in a pickle. And they DO consider him as being raised Muslim - his own half-brother clearly states so in a recent Jerusalem Post article.

If he weren’t such a horrible socialist dirtbag, I’d actually feel sorry for the guy.


8 posted on 06/13/2008 7:13:33 AM PDT by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: rocksblues

http://grandoldpartisan.typepad.com/blog/2008/02/barack-obama.html


9 posted on 06/13/2008 7:15:57 AM PDT by rocksblues (Folks we are in trouble, "Mark Levin" 03/26/08)
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To: Victory111
[ It does NOT matter whether or not Obama was raised a Muslim ]

WHAT does matter is thats hes a MARXIST NOW..

10 posted on 06/13/2008 7:19:19 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Victory111
if Obama had simply acknowledged that he was known as a Muslim as a child in Indonesia, and had left Islam later, none of this ... would be of any concern. But he has made it a matter of concern by denying what has been affirmed by so many others.

That was going to be my reply. Why hide it? Why hide your birth certificate? Makes some bitter white people who cling to their guns and religion suspicious.

11 posted on 06/13/2008 7:21:42 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: McGruff

When you were a kid, did you ever continue to deny that you had eaten the cookies when the crumbs were on your face? Did you continue to maintain your innocence even when all your siblings and three of the neighbour kids saw you do it?

When you were in school and the teacher asked if you wrote that word on the blackboard, and you did, did you deny it even though the whole class saw you do it? Did you continue to deny it even when the teacher said if the culprit didn’t speak up, the whole class would serve detention?

That’s Obama. If what he did was broadcast on closed circuit teevee and the entire world saw him do it — he would continue to deny that he did.

For the same reason the kid denies he wrote the word or ate the cookies when everybody knows he did — because once he has lied, he can only choose to stick to his lie or to humiliate himself by admitting he lied.


12 posted on 06/13/2008 7:39:03 AM PDT by Appleby
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To: Homer1

“It really doesn’t matter if he lied about either. The election will not turn on whether of not he was particularly honest about something he may barely remember from his childhood.”

Au contraire. . . If you read the whole article, you will find that he admits getting into trouble during Koran class in his book, Dreams of My Father.......


13 posted on 06/13/2008 8:01:16 AM PDT by esquirette (If we do not have our own world view, we will accept theirs.)
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To: Appleby

The rest of the article says that his name at school in Indonesia was ‘Barry Soretero.’

I wonder if the problem with the birth certificate is that it will raise questions about why and how he changed his name.


14 posted on 06/13/2008 8:21:48 AM PDT by esquirette (If we do not have our own world view, we will accept theirs.)
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus
I agree with your "once a muslim..." comments.

I'd add that, from the various reports we've seen, most of the muslim world is rallying for his election. That ought to be a clue to anyone keeping track of the omens.

However:
"But let’s give him the benefit of the doubt because, like it or not, he IS more truthful than Clinton (but then again, who isn’t?)."...begs an answer.

Yes, virtually anyone in western society is more honest than a Clinton - but I'd like to see your proof that Barry-O isn't an exception.
(Hint: I've seen nothing to date that supports that theory.)

15 posted on 06/13/2008 8:29:48 AM PDT by norton
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus

So the drugs made him forget the times in the mosque in Indonesia?


16 posted on 06/13/2008 8:33:35 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: All

It absolutely matters. islam is completely incompatible with the notion of freedom and tolerance....


17 posted on 06/13/2008 9:34:11 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: Maverick68

You damn right, it matters whether Obama is a Muslim or not-well, maybe not if you don’t care that we’re fighting radical islam, that Islamic heads have sworn to destroy us from within and the following don’t bother you:
.
THE KORAN INSTRUCTS ITS FOLLOWERS TO FIGHT:

“WARFARE IS ORDAINED FOR YOU, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. (2.216)”

>”Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s cause) is ordained for”
(Surat A1-Baqarah 2:216).

>Verse 9:123 - “Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you.”

>”AND FIGHT THEM UNTIL THERE IS NO PERSECUTION , AND RELIGION SHALL BE ONLY FOR ALLAH 2:193

>If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 9:39


18 posted on 06/13/2008 11:24:03 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: Maverick68

You damn right, it matters whether Obama is a Muslim or not-well, maybe not if you don’t care that we’re fighting radical islam, that Islamic heads have sworn to destroy us from within and the following don’t bother you:
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THE KORAN INSTRUCTS ITS FOLLOWERS TO FIGHT:

“WARFARE IS ORDAINED FOR YOU, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. (2.216)”

>”Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s cause) is ordained for”
(Surat A1-Baqarah 2:216).

>Verse 9:123 - “Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you.”

>”AND FIGHT THEM UNTIL THERE IS NO PERSECUTION , AND RELIGION SHALL BE ONLY FOR ALLAH 2:193

>If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 9:39


19 posted on 06/13/2008 11:24:05 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: patriot08

And if THIS doesn’t bother you:

>But if you’re willing to fight for Allah, he will provide you with lots of booty. 48:19-20

THE KORAN INSTRUCTS TO DECEIVE

>Quran 3:28 Don’t have unbelieving friends unless it is to deceive them. Remember the final goal is to Allah.

THE KORAN TEACHES RACISM, BIGOTRY AND HATRED FOR CHRISTIANS, JEWS and Blacks:

>verse 5:51 - “Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another.”

>Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintainthem. Good women are obedient.Q 4:34

>Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell. 19:35-37


20 posted on 06/13/2008 11:26:34 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: All
AND THIS: >Whoever says Muhammad was black must be killed…(Ash‑Shifa, Tr. Aisha Abdarrahman, 2004)-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed. (ibid, p.375)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >In one Hadith, Mohammed referred to Blacks as Raisn Heads (Sahih Al Bukhary vol. 1, no. 662 and vol. 9, no. 256), and as pug nosed slaves in Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72
21 posted on 06/13/2008 11:32:07 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: All

AND ESPECIALLY THIS:

>Quran 9:33 ISLAM WILL PREVAIL OVER ALL RELIGIONS

AMERICA HAD BETTER TAKE THIS MAN AT HIS WORD:

“ISLAM ISN’T IN AMERICA TO BE EQUAL TO ANY OTHER FAITH, BUT TO BECOME DOMINANT. The Koran ... should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth. Everthing we need to know is in the Koran. We don’t need to look somewhere else.” OMAR M. AHMAD, CHAIRMAN OF CAIR,the mainsteam Muslim advocacy group.


22 posted on 06/13/2008 11:34:30 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: All

VIEW THESE AND THEN TELL ME IT DOESN’T MATTER IF OBAMA IS A MUSLIM OR NOT:

Go to YouTube and look up ‘WELCOME TO SWEDEN’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JBpVAj4ILM

Muslim victory in Europe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXX4o1o68NQ

Go to YouTube and look up ‘MUSLIMS DESECRATING the U.S. FLAG AND CONDEMING AMERICA IN NYC’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B1FHeIP53Q

Visit this site to learn more about the enemy America faces today:
‘A report form Freedom House about Saudi funded Mosques preaching terror in America’

Go to ‘Faith Freedom International’ .

WAKE UP AND REALIZE what Islam is really about AND WHAT OBAMA COULD BE ABOUT.

.


23 posted on 06/13/2008 11:42:11 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: esquirette

His mother was married to Indonesian Lolo Soetero from the time he was about age 6 to 11. I don’t think that he was formally adopted but he was called Barry Soetero during this period.


24 posted on 06/13/2008 1:54:12 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: Victory111

The problem Mr. Spencer is NOT what you think. It is what the Islamists think. And they think once a Muslim ALWAYS a Muslim. Electing this POS will send a very seriously bad message to ash holes who live in the seventh century.


25 posted on 06/13/2008 3:16:40 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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