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Clinton delegate to vote for McCain
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | 6/13/08 | Craig Gilbert

Posted on 06/13/2008 4:02:58 PM PDT by sbMKE

Clinton delegate to vote for McCain

As an avid supporter of Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Democratic primaries, Debra Bartoshevich is not alone in her frustration over Clinton's defeat.

She's not alone in refusing to support Barack Obama.

And she's not entirely alone in saying she'll vote this fall for Republican John McCain instead.

But what makes her unusual is that she holds these views as an elected delegate to the Democratic National Convention in Denver this summer.

"I'm sure people are going to be upset with me. I don't want to lose my national delegate status," says Bartoshevich, a 41-year-old emergency room nurse who is a convention delegate, pledged to Clinton, from Waterford in Racine County.

Joe Wineke, the chairman of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, reacted with disbelief when first told Friday afternoon that one of his state party delegates is now a McCain supporter.

"Not a delegate? To the national convention?" asked Wineke, who was getting ready for the start of the state party convention Friday in Stevens Point.

"We have a Clinton national (convention) delegate who says she's voting for John McCain?" Wineke repeated, for clarification. "I've never heard of such a thing."

Wineke said "almost everybody I know who was for Hillary" is solidly behind Obama now. As for Bartoshevich, he said, "my suspicion is she doesn't know what she's getting into" because "the delegates to this convention will be very upset."

Asked if publicly supporting the other party's presidential nominee could affect a delegate's convention status, Wineke said, "I never thought I'd ever get a question like this."

After some preliminary checking, the state party chair said he assumed she would remain a delegate.

The McCain campaign said that, nationally, it was not aware at this point of any other delegates to the Democratic convention (it may know of an alternate, it said) who have come out for the Republican candidate.

In an interview, Bartoshevich expressed lingering unhappiness over the Democratic nominating process, said Clinton was treated unfairly by the party, and said she has deep reservations about Obama's lack of experience and his judgment.

"I'm kind of disenfranchised," she said.

She said she planned to vote for Clinton at the convention, but in an Obama-McCain match-up in November, "I will not be voting for Obama. I will cast my vote for John McCain.

Said Bartoshevich: "I just feel you need to have somebody who has experience with foreign matters."

She said a series of controversial Obama "associations," including but not limited to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Chicago developer Tony Rezko, reflected poorly on his judgment. And she echoed the complaints of many of Clinton's most ardent supporters that Clinton was treated unfairly in the nominating process and by the party.

"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her - that's by Susan B. Anthony," said Bartoshevich, referring to the famous suffragist.

Bartoshevich called herself a "devoted Democrat" who, she said, had never voted for a Republican for president.

"I'm on a lot of the (pro-Clinton) blogs, and so many people, male and female, feel the same way as I do," said Bartoshevich, who was listed as a Racine County co-chair for the Clinton campaign and who traveled outside Wisconsin to volunteer for Clinton. "The Democrats jumped on this wagon of Barack Obama and nobody really knows him."

Hoping to tap into discontent among Clinton supporters, the McCain campaign is reaching out to them in a variety of ways, including a telephone "town hall" meeting Saturday targeted to non-Republican voters. Encouraged by her sister, who has served in Iraq, Bartoshevich signed up as a supporter with "Citizens for McCain," an arm of the campaign targeting Democrats and independents. She said she then got a call from the McCain campaign, which in turn provided her name to a reporter.

Polls suggest that Democrats are largely rallying around Obama after a divisive nominating fight, a phenomenon that has occurred in past intra-party fights, say scholars. But it remains to be seen whether Obama is hurt in the fall by any softness among from Clinton's core constituencies, especially white women, and older and lower-income whites.

Clinton has not formally "released" her pledged delegates, and it would not be unusual, given recent history, for most of them to cast their votes for Clinton at the convention. But she has urged her delegates to help Obama defeat McCain.

Professor Byron Shafer, a University of Wisconsin-Madison scholar who is an expert on conventions, said it's the fact that Bartoshevich is a convention delegate, subject to the partisan tendencies and pressures common to party activists, that makes her public support for McCain so unusual.

"The competitive partisan dynamic is usually strong enough that even the people not willing to line up at the convention on record for the nominee, are still unlikely to be willing to line up publicly for the other party's nominee," said Shafer. "It's a pretty far-out move."

Asked what kind of reception he would expect Bartoshevich to get from her fellow delegates, he said: "I would guess a lot of people will be very rude and very unpleasant."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: bartoshevich; clinton; crossovervote; delegates; demsformccain; hillary; obama; wisconsin
Love it.
1 posted on 06/13/2008 4:02:58 PM PDT by sbMKE
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To: sbMKE

Nurse Bartoshevich, please report the re-education camp, stat!


2 posted on 06/13/2008 4:06:09 PM PDT by FMBass ("Now that I'm sober I watch a lot of news"- Garofalo from Coulter's "Treason")
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To: sbMKE
”As for Bartoshevich, he said, "my suspicion is she doesn't know what she's getting into" because "the delegates to this convention will be very upset."

Threats and intimidation always a good way to swing people over. Worked wonders for their other Socialist party during WWII.

3 posted on 06/13/2008 4:09:41 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: sbMKE

Good, past time to wise up and do everthing you can to stop Barack Hussein Obama, welcome aboard!


4 posted on 06/13/2008 4:10:42 PM PDT by Baladas ((M))
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To: sbMKE

She will be in danger if she attends the rat convention. She will be assulted and maybe worse.


5 posted on 06/13/2008 4:15:25 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (McCain, my penultimate choice in the primary and only choice in the general)
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To: sbMKE

I suspect she will wish she had shut up until after the convention. It will be a very uncomfortable convention for her I would imagine.


6 posted on 06/13/2008 4:18:08 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: sbMKE

We need more! Keep up the good work.


7 posted on 06/13/2008 4:21:00 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: sbMKE

I do suspect that a lot of Hillary supporters might “say” that they are voting for Obama when asked or polled, but in the privacy of the voting booth will vote for McCain because, for one reason or another, they are not comfortable with Obama.

This was seen in some of the primaries when a lot of people were exit polled and didn’t want to tell the truth because it is politically incorrect to not vote for Obama out of fear of being labeled a racist.

Couple this with the fact that the media will flat out LIE about Obama’s support to try to convince people he has more support than he really does in the non-black part of the electorate.


8 posted on 06/13/2008 4:22:03 PM PDT by aj7360
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To: FMBass

the dems will just insert a new

sim card into her brain

at the denver convent

and she’ll be as good as democrat again.

/s


9 posted on 06/13/2008 4:22:24 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: Dawnsblood

“I suspect she will wish she had shut up until after the convention. It will be a very uncomfortable convention for her I would imagine.”

Maybe. Hopefully it will let others who don’t like Obama know that they aren’t alone.

Wouldn’t it be AWESOME if this lady actually cast her convention vote for McCain. Of course it wouldn’t really go to McCain, but would be great.


10 posted on 06/13/2008 4:25:02 PM PDT by aj7360
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To: Graybeard58
Just wait until the muslims, racists, communists, anarchists, criminals and other assorted nasties in Obama's camp identify her.

She's toast.

11 posted on 06/13/2008 4:26:09 PM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon.)
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To: sbMKE
"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her - that's by Susan B. Anthony," said Bartoshevich, referring to the famous suffragist.

McCain! Are you listening!

12 posted on 06/13/2008 4:33:41 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Arrogance IS my virtue!)
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To: sbMKE
Clinton delegate to vote for McCain

This is the next logical step for Operation Chaos. Hillary supporters need to vote for McCain over Obama so she can run in 2012.

13 posted on 06/13/2008 4:56:20 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: ConservaTexan

How can she? He is not a democratic candidate? Now if she were an Elector, that would be a story.


14 posted on 06/13/2008 5:51:27 PM PDT by keving
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To: sbMKE

Operation Chaos is still alive !


15 posted on 06/13/2008 5:56:20 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: keving

I was refering to the general election. If enough Clinton supporters vote McCain in the general he may win and Hillary can run in ‘12.


16 posted on 06/13/2008 9:29:51 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: sbMKE

The state party wasted no time in kicking her out of the Wisconsin delegation last night. Hillary’s supporters are self-destructing.


17 posted on 06/14/2008 5:04:50 AM PDT by HAL9000 ("No one made you run for president, girl."- Bill Clinton)
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To: sbMKE

When I see it I will believe it. But these stories are adding up. At least some elected rats with something to lose will be falling away that’s for sure.
Yes some GOPers are holding back on McCain, but the difference is they are doing so to move him right, whereby the hesitant rats are worried about how far barack mcgovern is to the left. He can’t come back because the scum that gave him the nomination would go postal. On the other hand if McCain goes farther right he would pick up support and lose very little.
Again, when I see rats actually voting McCain instead of staying home ( the worse thing for the rat) I’ll accept it as truth.


18 posted on 06/14/2008 6:51:24 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: EagleUSA
We need more! Keep up the good work.

If a DEM delegate can see themselves voting for McCain what does that say about McCain? We can do better than this!!
19 posted on 06/14/2008 8:13:33 AM PDT by itsPatAmerican
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To: jmaroneps37

interesting that Bartoshevich would use this quote:

“No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her - that’s by Susan B. Anthony,”

To justify voting for a Republican, given how Republican have historically worked against women, not for them.


20 posted on 06/14/2008 8:13:33 AM PDT by mrzippy13
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To: itsPatAmerican

If a DEM delegate can see themselves voting for McCain what does that say about McCain?
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It says that Obama is VERY BAD - which we know is the truth. When a candidate makes McCain look good, he MUST BE BAD.


21 posted on 06/14/2008 9:05:23 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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