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Congress Questions Constitutionality Of Light Bulb Ban
Say Anything Readers Blog ^ | June 20, 2008 | Anna

Posted on 06/23/2008 8:25:30 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20

WASHINGTON – Members of Congress are beginning to have second thoughts about the ban on incandescent light bulbs effective in 2014 as a result of an energy bill signed into law earlier this year. Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, says his objection is very basic – the Constitution doesn’t authorize Congress to do anything remotely like banning a product that has been used safely and efficiently for more than 100 years in favor of Chinese-imported compact fluorescent light bulbs that pose considerable health and safety risks.

Extensive cleanup is required by the Environmental Protection Agency for simply breaking a bulb. When a bulb, which contains mercury, is broken, according to the EPA, the room must be evacuated for 15 minutes and aired out with windows, but not before all glass is removed, placed in a sealed glass jar and disposed of outside. Any remaining glass must be picked up with tape. In addition, central heating or air conditioning units must be turned off.

Wait… Environmental Protection Agency must be called for a broken bulb?

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I think it was a dumb idea in the first place.

And the Congressman is probably right.

1 posted on 06/23/2008 8:25:30 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Just another bastard offspring of Algore & Co.
2 posted on 06/23/2008 8:27:48 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Turret Gunner A20
the Constitution doesn’t authorize Congress to do anything remotely like banning a product that has been used safely and efficiently for more than 100 years in favor of Chinese-imported compact fluorescent light bulbs that pose considerable health and safety risks.

Should have stopped after the word "product".

3 posted on 06/23/2008 8:29:17 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Global Warming Heretic -- http://agw-heretic.blogspot.com)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Wait... you mean our Founding Fathers didn’t give Congress the authority to tell citizens what products they are allowed to purchase?!


4 posted on 06/23/2008 8:30:01 AM PDT by pgyanke ("Huntered"--The act of being ignored by media and party to prevent name recognition)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Buyer’s remorse from a bunch of idiots.


5 posted on 06/23/2008 8:30:09 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

“Extensive cleanup is required by the Environmental Protection Agency for simply breaking a bulb. When a bulb, which contains mercury, is broken, according to the EPA, the room must be evacuated for 15 minutes and aired out with windows, but not before all glass is removed, placed in a sealed glass jar and disposed of outside. Any remaining glass must be picked up with tape. In addition, central heating or air conditioning units must be turned off.
Wait… Environmental Protection Agency must be called for a broken bulb?”

The EPA does not have a mandate to regulate private property owners. Sweep it up and throw it in the trash. Nuff done, nuff said.


6 posted on 06/23/2008 8:31:36 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: Turret Gunner A20

About d-— time. And, there is a bunch of other stuff they have legislated that also is unconstitutional.


7 posted on 06/23/2008 8:32:18 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Extensive cleanup is required by the Environmental Protection Agency for simply breaking a bulb. When a bulb, which contains mercury, is broken, according to the EPA, the room must be evacuated for 15 minutes and aired out with windows, but not before all glass is removed, placed in a sealed glass jar and disposed of outside. Any remaining glass must be picked up with tape. In addition, central heating or air conditioning units must be turned off.

Every fluorescent bulb contains mercury. Each time a bulb breaks, every office in the U.S. would have to shut down if this were true. The amount in each bulb is minute.

8 posted on 06/23/2008 8:33:31 AM PDT by rjsimmon
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Of course, only a complete moron would call a govt agency in for any reason, under any circumstances. It would give some squinty-eyed beaurocrat the perfect opportunity to condemn someone’s house for dropping a case of the damn things.


9 posted on 06/23/2008 8:33:57 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Light Bulb/Energy Bill Congressional comments Very good!! Everyone should see this info.
10 posted on 06/23/2008 8:34:04 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud Rush Conservative with no dog in the presidential race now *sigh*)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
So What!

Show me where Congress has the right to enact welfare transfer payments, become involved in housing projects, rule the country's educational system, require minority quotas, fund health care benefits, and generally ignore the 9th and 10th amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

Why start with light bulbs when there is so much more that needs to be fixed first?

11 posted on 06/23/2008 8:35:30 AM PDT by Zakeet (Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
The EPA does not have a mandate to regulate private property owners.

A fellow I was acquainted with 15 years ago killed himself after constant legal battering by the EPA for having old tires on his farm. His family had used them to shore up land since before the war. I guess farms aren't private property.

12 posted on 06/23/2008 8:35:43 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Parmy

Now, how about that toilet water capacity mandate?

I told a greenie that I had the solution to the energy problems in America. He was intrigued.

I said, after the 1.5 gal toilet law, and the ban on lightbulbs,

we could simply hook up generators to the American founders spinning in their graves.


13 posted on 06/23/2008 8:36:17 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, says his objection is very basic – the Constitution doesn’t authorize Congress to do anything remotely like banning a product that has been used safely and efficiently for more than 100 years in favor of Chinese-imported compact fluorescent light bulbs that pose considerable health and safety risks.

You mean they can't find anything in the General Welfare clause, or the Commerce clause?

-PJ

14 posted on 06/23/2008 8:36:37 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Recommend by the EPA, not required.

http://www.epa.gov/mercury/spills/index.htm#fluorescent


15 posted on 06/23/2008 8:36:54 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Zakeet

Hey, ANY law that they start looking at opens the door for someone to point fingers at other things, like the ones you mentioned.


16 posted on 06/23/2008 8:37:25 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

It takes a little longer for those CFL’s to flicker on above some people’s thick heads.


17 posted on 06/23/2008 8:38:01 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Here is the real rub. After 2014, we will have the bulb police to inspect every home, business, etc. to make sure compliance. Some places this miracle bulb just is not efficient and not configured in size to work. What then? This is pure liberal BS.


18 posted on 06/23/2008 8:39:09 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Lightbulbs are shipped across state lines, so they are subject to regulation under the Interstate Commerce Clause.

This is what they use to justify EVERYTHING.

The founders CLEARLY meant that the feds could intervene only when there was a dispute between the states.


19 posted on 06/23/2008 8:39:14 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

AMEN!


20 posted on 06/23/2008 8:39:49 AM PDT by Chili Girl
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To: Turret Gunner A20

They regulated the size of the flush in our toilets why should they stop now after such an astonishing success.


21 posted on 06/23/2008 8:40:20 AM PDT by Timocrat (I Emanate on your Auras and Penumbras Mr Blackmun)
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To: MrB
The founders CLEARLY meant that the feds could intervene only when there was a dispute between the states.

Remember during the Roberts confirmation hearing when they were talking about his earlier environmental dissent about a frog that never crossed state lines, therefore it wasn't a federal issue?

-PJ

22 posted on 06/23/2008 8:43:21 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: Logical me

***Here is the real rub. After 2014, we will have the bulb police to inspect every home, business, etc. to make sure compliance. Some places this miracle bulb just is not efficient and not configured in size to work. What then? This is pure liberal BS.***

Yep! Just call an electrician to do some work in your home which involves having to have it checked by your town or city, and you will be FORCED to comply with the new law.


23 posted on 06/23/2008 8:44:40 AM PDT by kitkat ( Over the Hill(ary))
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To: Logical me

No, they’ll start thermal imaging homes from the street, just like they do with suspected meth dealers. And, if you think I’m kidding, I’m not.


24 posted on 06/23/2008 8:46:32 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Constitution? Isn’t that the newspaper in Atlanta that used to be called “Pravda.”


25 posted on 06/23/2008 8:47:08 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: MrB
The founders CLEARLY meant that the feds could intervene only when there was a dispute between the states.

Who Cares? Congress hasn't for many decades.

26 posted on 06/23/2008 8:48:22 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (Sure I wave the American flag. Do you know a better flag to wave?¬óJohn Wayne)
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To: Zakeet
"Why start with light bulbs when there is so much more that needs to be fixed first?"

Because they've obviously have been obsessing about how many @$$holes it takes to change a bulb ... and they've come up with an answer ......... it can't be done.

So, rather than stop being @$$holes, the @$$holes are considering bringing a ladder into the equation.

Give 'em time ... they won't figure it out, but they will foist an answer on us.

(I hear Jeff Dunham's character, "Walter", muttering in his own speciel way ... "@$$holes" )

27 posted on 06/23/2008 8:48:34 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

“The hapless toad,” [Roberts] wrote, “for reasons of its own, lives its entire life in California” and thus could not affect interstate commerce.

Google “roberts hapless toad” to see the hysterics that the left was in when Roberts was being confirmed.

“This viewpoint will undermine all environmental laws!”

GOOD.


28 posted on 06/23/2008 8:49:04 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Zakeet
Why start with light bulbs when there is so much more that needs to be fixed first?

Because it's a start.

29 posted on 06/23/2008 8:49:45 AM PDT by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

General Electric is deeply saddened.


30 posted on 06/23/2008 8:51:03 AM PDT by SMM48
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Obama says we should ask other countries if we want to keep our homes at 72 degrees. Wait until Congress passes a new law regulating thermostats in private homes.


31 posted on 06/23/2008 8:53:13 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: All; pillut48; seekthetruth
Oh, wow! Hey, everyone.....watch that video on #10, now! It'll not only provide you with all the talking points you need on these mandated new-fangled, ugly light bulbs, but it's hilarious, also.

With a completely dead pan, the Pubbie representative makes mincemeat out of the congress on this issue. Worth every one of a couple minutes of your time.

I'm still chuckling, otherwise known as ROFCMAO.

Leni

32 posted on 06/23/2008 8:54:46 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Stay Home or vote Barr for Obamination, more Taxation, Regulation, Litigation and Ginburgization)
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To: rhombus

Best comment I have seen in a while!


33 posted on 06/23/2008 8:54:46 AM PDT by RainMan
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To: Turret Gunner A20

"Was ist das? Sie broke ze new kurly bulp und didn't call us immediately!!??"

34 posted on 06/23/2008 8:55:53 AM PDT by Gritty (Get environmentalism out of the sphere of religion and stop the mythic fantasies-Michael Crichton)
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To: Logical me

You can still use the incandesant bulb after 2014, they just cannot be sold after 2014. So stock up a lifetime’s worth now, and you should be all set for the ban.


35 posted on 06/23/2008 8:58:18 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: SMM48
All the new bulbs are made in China. I believe that rules and regulations on safety prohibit their manufacture in this country. Ironic, eh?

Nice boon for the commie economy, also.

The congressman addresses this in the short vidio linked above. This video is sooooo good. Where's this guy been?

Leni

36 posted on 06/23/2008 8:59:32 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Stay Home or vote Barr for Obamination, more Taxation, Regulation, Litigation and Ginburgization)
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To: thackney

“Recommend by the EPA, not required.”

Not yet...


37 posted on 06/23/2008 9:00:24 AM PDT by CatQuilt (Lover of cats =^..^= and quilts)
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To: Zakeet
Why start with light bulbs when there is so much more that needs to be fixed first?

The longest journey still begins with a single step. I'll take my victories where I find them.

38 posted on 06/23/2008 9:00:27 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Hmmm, sound anything like a communist state? These egotistical hot air balloons are way over the line.
39 posted on 06/23/2008 9:01:29 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: pgyanke

Look up freon.


40 posted on 06/23/2008 9:02:08 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

Similar to using helicopters to enforce the ban on outdoor grilling.

This clearly shows the real agenda. That helicopter puts out more CO2, etc than thousands of BBQ grills.

The agenda is control.


41 posted on 06/23/2008 9:05:21 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Zakeet

Congress....”And slowly they turn”....

There ain’t no stopping communism.


42 posted on 06/23/2008 9:05:29 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: rjsimmon
The amount in each bulb is minute.

Who cares? As long as they overturn this stupid law...

43 posted on 06/23/2008 9:06:12 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Personal Methane Reclamation: Break wind for energy independence!)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

“Extensive cleanup is required by the Environmental Protection Agency for simply breaking a bulb. When a bulb, which contains mercury, is broken, according to the EPA, the room must be evacuated for 15 minutes and aired out with windows, but not before all glass is removed, placed in a sealed glass jar and disposed of outside. Any remaining glass must be picked up with tape. In addition, central heating or air conditioning units must be turned off.”

So we now have to deal with the likes of the EPA guy in the movie Ghostbusters?


44 posted on 06/23/2008 9:06:24 AM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: Turret Gunner A20

I sure hope I don’t break my CF bulb with my plunger handle trying to encourage my waste to go down a federally mandated 1.5 GPF toilet that I have to flush 4 times to get to work.

Point being, why worry about the CFL being constitutional? You already outlawed a toilet that will flush anything bigger than a skittle.


45 posted on 06/23/2008 9:06:52 AM PDT by IamConservative (Character: What you do when no one is looking.)
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To: rawhide
You can still use the incandesant bulb after 2014, they just cannot be sold after 2014

And actually, I think that there are some new bulbs that are "legal"...has something to do with lumens vs wattage consumed. Interestingly enough, the newer technology came out shortly before this asinine legislation. Purely coincidental, I'm positive. I'm also sure that lobbyists for Phillips, GE, etc were completely uninformed of the technology, or at least completely impartial.

I'll need to dig out the particulars on the bill. I do know that it does NOT mandate CFLs, it mandates a low-power-consumption bulb. CFL's are just the most common type.

46 posted on 06/23/2008 9:07:12 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Turret Gunner A20

What I would like to see is a congressman or senator take to the floor to give a speech and in the process, drop a CFL on the floor. See how quick that place empties out. Yet they want to force us to put them in our homes.


47 posted on 06/23/2008 9:07:29 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Glenn

The EPA, Stalin would be proud.


48 posted on 06/23/2008 9:10:14 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: The Great RJ
Wait until Congress passes a new law regulating thermostats in private homes.

California was and may still be attempting to require "smart thermostats" that the government can control so they can raise and lower your energy use as they see fit.

49 posted on 06/23/2008 9:11:19 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas trying to observe the US Constitution?

What effrontery!

There will soon be calls for his impeachment by his brothers and sisters in the House and Senate.

50 posted on 06/23/2008 9:11:29 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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