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Security Increased for FLDS Hearing Today
Deseret News ^ | Tuesday, June 24, 2008 | Ben Winslow and Pat Reavy

Posted on 06/24/2008 9:41:49 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland

SAN ANGELO, Texas — A court-appointed attorney for a 16-year-old FLDS girl caught up in a grand jury investigation will go to court today under armed guard. Natalie Malonis confirmed to the Deseret News she has received death threats since she sought a restraining order against a high-profile member of the Fundamentalist LDS Church to prevent him from contacting her client.

"I've been getting death threats and I am being provided a security detail," she said this morning. "That was not even at my request. Law enforcement recognized the need for it."

Malonis said she did not know who has made the threats. She represents four FLDS members — including Pamela Jeffs, for whom she was praised by FLDS supporters when she managed to secure additional rights in court for the woman once declared by Texas authorities to be a minor.

Malonis' 16-year-old client, meanwhile, has fired off several e-mails asking her to step aside.

In e-mails sent to the Deseret News and posted on pro-FLDS Web sites, Teresa Jeffs accuses her court-appointed lawyer of not acting in her best interest.

"My attorney is going against my wishes. Maybe you need a restraining order that you can absolutely have nothing to do with me and you have to stay 1,000 feet away from me! What do you think of that?" she wrote in an e-mail to Malonis.

Jeffs has been subpoenaed to testify Wednesday before a grand jury investigating crimes involving FLDS members. The Texas Attorney General's Office said it could not find Jeffs to subpoena her, and Malonis went to court seeking a restraining order against FLDS member and spokesman Willie Jessop. In court papers, she accused Jessop of coercing the girl to avoid the subpoena and interfering with her relationship with her client. Judge Barbara Walther signed a temporary restraining order that technically prevents Jeffs' mother from allowing her daughter to have any contact with Jessop. A hearing on a more permanent restraining order will be held this afternoon.

On Monday, Malonis said she spoke with the attorney for Jeffs' mother, but no agreement could be reached.

"I hoped we could, but no ... ," she told the Deseret News.

Malonis said she is prepared to call witnesses and present evidence to suggest that the girl is being intimidated and pressured by FLDS members. The judge is not expected to consider Jeffs' request for a new lawyer.

Rod Parker, a Salt Lake attorney acting as a spokesman for the FLDS, believes Malonis is not following her court-appointed duties. Because Malonis is Teresa Jeffs' attorney ad litem and not her guardian ad litem, her job is to be an advocate for the child, he said.

"I think that she's really out on a limb in doing what she's doing and injuring her own client in a very public way," Parker said. "This is just a very unhealthy and dysfunctional attorney-client relationship. The court ought to grant Teresa's wish and give her another lawyer. This system of justice does not work appropriately when attorneys and their clients are at odds with each other." When the Texas Supreme Court ordered the hundreds of children taken in the April 3 raid to be returned to their parents, Jeffs was exempted.

Malonis said in court papers it was because the girl was an identified sex-abuse victim who had been "spiritually united" to an older man at 15. A special order was put in place for Jeffs, preventing her from contacting her father — FLDS leader Warren Jeffs — and a man named Raymond Jessop, who was not further identified.

The Deseret News normally does not name sex-abuse victims, but the girl has gone public in media interviews and in an e-mail forwarded to the Deseret News. She insists she is not a victim. In her e-mail, the girl said neither Willie Jessop nor Raymond Jessop has ever threatened her.

"That have treated (sic) so very kindly," she wrote.

Jeffs wrote in the communication with Malonis that she did not want the grand jury subpoena, but acknowledged being served.

"Well, they want me to appear before a grand jury. I do not have confidence in you and how can I get you to help me in such a situation that I am in when it feels like to me all you are doing is going against me," she wrote. "So, that is the reason that I am asking you to step aside and let me do what I need to do to and get me a different attorney."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: flds; lds; religionbashing
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To: Revelation 911

Of course...


201 posted on 06/24/2008 7:33:46 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Hey, send someone who cares a PM, and then accidentally send it to me.

:)

Got any other interests?

By the way, the Constitution will always come before you no matter how cute or tough you think you are.


202 posted on 06/24/2008 7:35:29 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

“Actually, the teenager wrote that it couldn’t be proved that she had sexual relations.”

And she said it in almost the same exact words Bill Clinton used.


203 posted on 06/24/2008 7:35:53 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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To: ejonesie22

Not to mention that this is a news thread.

However, we Baptists do condemn the hateful groups. I made the mistake of engaging in emails with that old man nearly 10 years ago. Almost as bad as when I run into the vipers’ nests of polygamists on some forums.


204 posted on 06/24/2008 7:36:21 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: hocndoc

What if your lawyer goes on a silly show like Nancy Grace to talk about you as a client?


205 posted on 06/24/2008 7:36:33 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: deport

“The judge wasn’t removed I see.”

Neither was the attorney ad litem.


206 posted on 06/24/2008 7:37:21 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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To: hocndoc

bwahhhh.. You aint’ a northern strain of Baptist, cause you are too dumb perhaps, right?


207 posted on 06/24/2008 7:37:55 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: commonguymd; greyfoxx39

For some of us, the protection and rescue of victims of sexual and domestic abuse is not a “hobby.”


208 posted on 06/24/2008 7:40:02 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: hocndoc

Yes you do, and very vocally I might add. A subtle but distinct difference...


209 posted on 06/24/2008 7:40:46 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: commonguymd
bwahhhh.. You aint’ a northern strain of Baptist, cause you are too dumb perhaps, right?

What on earth does that mean?

I grew up proof-texting with the best of them. Honed my technique on Baptist, then Church of Christ (Stone-Cambell, no instruments tradition) preachers.

I find that patience and loving (Christ-like) answers are the best.

210 posted on 06/24/2008 7:44:38 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: Jim Robinson; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Tennessee Nana; MHGinTN; P-Marlowe; xzins; ...
Hang it in your ear.

well, ok LOL, Im not sure my comments warranted that.

please delete the account and have a great nite

hope you continue to feel better

211 posted on 06/24/2008 7:45:51 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: hocndoc
Oh my. got a self perceptive complex? I bet I can look at your posting history to verify you are that indulgent on your goodness. eh?

lol

212 posted on 06/24/2008 7:46:01 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: Admin Moderator

That is unfair

LOL


213 posted on 06/24/2008 7:46:36 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Admin Moderator

It’s unfair and it needs to stop.

see 190


214 posted on 06/24/2008 7:47:18 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: hocndoc; Admin Moderator; All

I hope I can be of help.

The term (f)LDS was used by a website that was documenting the problems at the YFZ Ranch, and they made it a point that it meant ‘fundamental’ LDS.

Some posters used it here, because they were quoting these websites, and then got in the habit of it.

It offended some posters, because they know the FLDS and LDS are not the same, and the LDS excommunicated (as has been said already) the FLDS.

Since we are gentlemen and ladies here,and guests, we can abide by the owners request, and discontinue something that offends others.


And, while important, there is another little item.

Warren Jeffs started a private enterprise that is a subsidiary of the UEP, and he officially registered it as FLDS.

So, that is the proper and legal name, and it really, really, really has nothing to do with the LDS.

Common courtesy, and using the legal and proper acronym, is the least we can do as posters.


215 posted on 06/24/2008 7:47:33 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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To: hocndoc

Well, you want to measure your Christian marks against the rest as far as goods. Read the Bible, there might be something against that. I don’t preach. Collect your Christian posts and lets measure.


216 posted on 06/24/2008 7:48:48 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: Revelation 911

RG all over. Martyrs everywhere. Are you the first?


217 posted on 06/24/2008 7:49:50 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: hocndoc

“If publicity and threats are grounds to disqualify lawyers and judges, then all any defendant has to do is threaten and release sensational press statements and get a do-over.”

It worked before in the Short Creek raid, why not now?

(Because this is TEXAS!)


218 posted on 06/24/2008 7:50:47 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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To: commonguymd

have a great nite


219 posted on 06/24/2008 7:52:31 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: commonguymd

probably not the last


220 posted on 06/24/2008 7:53:04 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911

Why thank you. First time in awhile someone said that and I appreciate that. :)


221 posted on 06/24/2008 7:53:53 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: commonguymd

likewise


222 posted on 06/24/2008 7:55:34 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911
Worry not, truth wins out in the end...

Of course it is often in his good time, not ours...

223 posted on 06/24/2008 7:56:06 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Since you are on the thread, Please give whoever of your staff fixed the MAIL link so it doesn’t say YOU HAVE MAIL all the time, a BIG THANK YOU!!!


224 posted on 06/24/2008 7:56:30 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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To: ejonesie22

thanks - see you round


225 posted on 06/24/2008 7:56:42 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: ejonesie22

Worry not, truth wins out in the end...

God prevails doesnt He - !


226 posted on 06/24/2008 7:57:31 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911

Don’t go but please don’t think you are the first martyr. Your mission isn’t that important here. Conservative values, the constitution and right minded votes probably are. You might be able to live up to that expectation. Don’t bring everyone down around you for silly stuff. Don’t bring yourself to that level. If obsession is your obstacle to that, I can’t help.


227 posted on 06/24/2008 7:58:06 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: commonguymd

You are behaving like a child.

If you want to actually discuss something about the case, I like to debate with you.


228 posted on 06/24/2008 7:59:04 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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To: Revelation 911

Bye Rev..

You were always a Christian and a gentleman..

Jesus loves you and WE do too...


229 posted on 06/24/2008 8:00:28 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: UCANSEE2

Speaking of mail, quit sending your gossip and behind the scenes nonsense to the wrong recipients and you might just get it figured out someday... How one lives in the rumor mills and stuff is beyond me.

:)


230 posted on 06/24/2008 8:02:07 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Oh my, the adult that can face people without a barrage of pms for help. OMG. OMG. Send someone a PM and make sure to copy me. You adult you!

FDAC


231 posted on 06/24/2008 8:04:50 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: Revelation 911

The true God does, yes indeed...


232 posted on 06/24/2008 8:04:53 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I feel like Im walking off into the sunset LOL


233 posted on 06/24/2008 8:05:40 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911

Come on drama queen. You are better than that. At least give us a link to a sunset.


234 posted on 06/24/2008 8:06:45 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: commonguymd

The Judge still presides over the case.

The Attorney ad litem is still Natalie Malonis.

And your defense of the case, is to attack other posters with your mindless drivel, insults, childish behavior, and you think that somehow keeps proving you are correct.

The Case is getting closer, and closer to the cusp, and you do everything to prevent the ‘idea’ that the case could go forward, matter of fact you insist on stepping backwards to the first day of the raid, while everyone else is dealing with TODAY.

Let’s deal with the current facts.

And discuss them.

Or, do you wish to continue just attacking other posters?


235 posted on 06/24/2008 8:11:50 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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To: Jim Robinson

There’s no violins. The mods are goofing up, Mr. Robinson.


236 posted on 06/24/2008 8:14:04 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: commonguymd

LOL - Im looking for one - post one if Im gone before I find it


237 posted on 06/24/2008 8:14:14 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: UCANSEE2

Pitches in the dirt. They are fun to try for, but after a while it is best to just play ball and not waste the swing...


238 posted on 06/24/2008 8:15:09 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: UCANSEE2

You interfered when you jumped in although you asked so I give you credit for always jumping in where you obviously don’t belong. Do you belong anywhere, not for me to determine, but I pray for you nonethless. My respect isn’t necessarily high for you so when you put down pixels sometimes I am amused, sometimes I ignore you, and sometimes I just make fun of you.

Like I said, send a pm to someone who cares about what you say, but be sure to copy me too.

goofball.


239 posted on 06/24/2008 8:16:33 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: commonguymd

I do my best. (and erase a lot, ignore as much as possible)


240 posted on 06/24/2008 8:18:15 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: Revelation 911

Just as I thought. You will be here tomorrow just as the sun rises no matter how hard you stomp your feet.

I understand.


241 posted on 06/24/2008 8:18:41 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: hocndoc

We’re not goofing up. We just think this little martyrdom pity party is sort of funny. Anyone who doesn’t want to be here is welcome to go. It’s that easy. If not, continue your tearful goodbyes. Carry on.


242 posted on 06/24/2008 8:19:39 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: commonguymd

You wear your inability to look at a situation from the angle of “What’s the truth” proudly? Alrighty then!

susie


243 posted on 06/24/2008 8:21:20 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: brytlea

Love your government at every turn. Trust the media to do the best by you.

Anyway, coming from you. LOL. Are you for real? You don’t own the truth. You don’t know the truth. I don’t know the truth.

But, for one thing I can bet you at every turn - I will be here and there and everywhere possible to protect the constitution,,, for you. Freedom of association. Individual Liberty. Freedom of religion. Silly stuff like that. All concepts that you are protected by and regardless of how weird I think you are.

I could care less what prism you look through when you see this country, whether it be bigotry, myopics, dependence, handicaps, or ignorance. Always here to see for you.


244 posted on 06/24/2008 8:28:27 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: Admin Moderator; Revelation 911; P-Marlowe

Where and when did this “That is unfair” attitude come from? We’re all FReepers, here.

Why separate this one little group from the usual posting of facts and opinion, links and debate?? Especially when they are the subject of a *News Article?*

Not to mention that some of us are politically active in protecting our girls and women in Texas.

The moderators hijacked this thread, no one else.


245 posted on 06/24/2008 8:28:35 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: hocndoc

LOL. Innocent you.


246 posted on 06/24/2008 8:34:17 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: Revelation 911

I don’t know what I’d do off FR - it’s the first place I read to see what happened each day. I’m trying to determine how much censorship I can bear.


247 posted on 06/24/2008 8:34:26 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Hmm, that clothing store was tempting!

But they didn’t have my color.

I am going to place an order, 1 of everything, but it has to be in the color red!

:)


248 posted on 06/24/2008 8:36:24 PM PDT by JRochelle (Barak to Muslim women: "Your seats are in the back of the bus.")
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To: Revelation 911
Will this do? morningsky3
249 posted on 06/24/2008 8:37:00 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: commonguymd

It seems a little odd to say nasty things about people, and then say you’re praying for them.
susie


250 posted on 06/24/2008 8:38:24 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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