Skip to comments.Scientists calculate the exact date of the Trojan horse using eclipse in Homer
Posted on 06/24/2008 11:49:01 AM PDT by LibWhacker
The exact date when the Greeks used the Trojan horse to raze the city of Troy has been pinpointed for the first time using an eclipse mentioned in the stories of Homer, it was claimed today. # The truth about an epic tale of love, war and greed
Scientists have calculated that the horse was used in 1188 BC, ten years before Homer in his Odyssey describes the return of a warrior to his wife on the day the "sun is blotted out of the sky".
The legend of the fall of Troy is mentioned in Virgil and Homer's poems but it is believed to be based on truth and the exact date has been the subject of much debate.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
Well, what’s the date?
1188 BC. It was a Tuesday.
I doubt there was a real Trojan horse, tho I bet there really was a Trojan war.
Schlieman used the Iliad as a guide to locating the lost city and it proved accurate but that doesn’t mean every single thing in it is the gospel.
April 16, 1178 BC. He would have left on the 15th, but he had to stop at H&R Block.
No. The story states that an exact date was calculated for Odysseus's return (April 16, 1178), but not for the date of the Trojan Horse. Then they counted backwards ten years to get the date of the attack on Troy, but they don't have an exact date for that.
Can't the headline writers at least try to read the article?
As the Goddess Aphrodite turns up at one point and starts whacking people with a broadsword, I think you are probably onto something there.
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I am not an astronomer, nor do I have an ephemeris handy to check this out, but since there is a 10-year "difference" here, and since eclipses occur every year, I don't see the debate ending any time soon.
Then there's the definition of "date". The calendar used at the time? The Julian Calendar? The Gregorian calendar? modern "adjusted" calendar?
“...Virgil and Homer’s poems...”
They just don’t write ‘em like that anymore.
“I doubt there was a real Trojan horse...”
Somebody had to think up that trick. Why not somebody who was actually trying to solve the problem?
I suspect there really was a Trojan horse, though not something on the Hollywood scale.
Modern archaeology has uncovered much documentary evidence that the Trojan War really did take place - in addition, a Trojan Horse really wouldn’t have taken any new technology that wasn’t used in the siege engines and wagons of the day.
It was....drum roll please......APRIL 1st!
They were looking for a solar eclipse that would have been visible in Ithaca (not the "City of Evil" one!) which narrows the field considerably. And, if you had read the article, you would have noted that a number of planetary positions were figured into the mix.
As for the exact meaning of "April 16, 1178 B.C.", what's the problem there?
I think it was April 15th - because the Trojans got raped... which is why it’s now the annual tax day/raping. :P
If my astronomical calculator is correct, there was a new moon on April 16, 1178 BC Julian.
“Schlieman used the Iliad as a guide to locating the lost city and it proved accurate but that doesnt mean every single thing in it is the gospel.”
Was so! And Apollo will punish you for saying differently!
and I never understood why they fought over Trojans, when you could get them for free at the Ilium Health Clinic...
Didn’t Schliemann discover that there were seven layers of ruins at the site of Troy, not just those of one city?
My favorite Iliad moment: the gullible citizens of Troy have dragged the wooden horse past the city gates. A man named Laocoon shouts “Beware of Greeks bearing gifts!” and hurls his spear at the horse. Its impact makes the hidden Greeks’ weapons rattle. That night, for attempting to thwart the will of the gods, Zeus sends giant serpents to strangle Laocoon and his sons.
Maybe Laocoon should have shouted,
“Beware of gifts bearing Greeks!”
“Scientists calculate the exact date of the Trojan horse using eclipse in Homer”
So an eclipse used a Trojan Horse that was inside Homer?
Silly. Home was inside his Ford Eclipse, inside the Trojan horse.
Yeah, there’s at *least* 7 layers of ruins.
Not exactly unexpected - many current European capitals have a similar “foundation”. The inhabitants would annoy someone, the city would get torched, someone would rebuild the place, and the cycle would repeat.
Athens got burned, what, five times that we know of?
Solar eclipses are very specific in their timing and their location. They don’t happen every year in the same place.
Some folks think the Trojan Horse was a siege tower. It would have been pretty unique for the period.
Damn! I’m glad we finally got that worked out. Now we have to move on to the weather/wind calculations for the parting of the Red Sea. These scientists are sure improving the world, aren’t they!
If its an account that is ex-biblical then it is considered to be true and free from translation errors.
If its a biblical account it is considered purely fiction created by poor nomads who wanted to make themselves feel important and all accounts have no facts or are subject to eons of translation errors.
Not in the same place, and not necessarily total. For example, we're going to get a total eclipse here in the continential US in 2017, and our last one was in 1979.
They raped Thrace thrice.
a trojan was found in homer’s eclipse? d’oh!
I always thought the Trojan Horse reference was a metaphor for an earthquake. If an eclipse occurred it would mean considerable stress on existing faults. I can’t find a reference yet but I remember reading about the Greeks referring to earthquakes as âthundering hooves or a stampede of a horse herdâ.
Interesting since Poseidon, the God of the Sea was also associated with horses and earthquakes.
Ancient Eclipse Found in “The Odyssey,” Scientists Say
National Geographic News | 6-23-2008 | Richard A. Lovett
Posted on 06/23/2008 5:36:32 PM PDT by blam
Thanks null and void. Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.
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Although the Mayan calendar goes deep into the past, the early events it records are legendary. The earliest historical date known is 28 May 585 BC, the battle between the Medes and the Lydians that was interrupted by an eclipse predicted by Thales of Miletus.
I would have said:
The earliest historical event that can be accurately dated was the battle between the Medes and the Lydians on 28 May 585 BC. We know the exact date because it was interrupted by a solar eclipse that Thales of Miletus predicted.
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Blast from the Past.
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Note: this topic is from 6/24/08. Thanks LibWhacker.
...It appears, however, that in the Iliad Homer telescoped into a few weeks events that took place in the space of several decades. At least some of the events may be placed in a chronological order with the help of ancient Israelite sources: namely, on the day when King Ahaz was interred the motion of the Earth was disturbed so that the Sun set before its appointed time; ...In Greek legendary tradition the first event took place in the days of the two brothers, Atreus and Thyestes, contesting the throne of Mycenae... The fixing of the event to the early spring of -687 is made on the strength of the information from Hebrew sources that the event took place on the night of Passover, during the second campaign of Sennacherib against Judah, the ninth campaign of his reign. The exact date for the last of this series of catastrophes is provided by the records of the astronomical observations of the Chinese... in the year -687, on the 23rd of March... Romulus was a contemporary of Hezekiah; and the 23rd of March was the most important day in the Roman cult of Mars... The siege of Troy under Agamemnon followed by less than one generation the natural disturbances of the days of his father Atreus, when this king of Mycenae competed with his brother Thyestes for the crown of the realm and the Sun was disrupted in its motion. Atreus and Thyestes, being contemporaries of Ahaz and Hezekiah, and Agamemnon, son of Atreus, a contemporary of the latter king of Jerusalem, it seems that the time in which the drama of the Iliad was set was the second half of the eighth century, and not later than -687; yet the poet condensed the events separated by decades into the tenth year of the Trojan siege, the time of the Iliad's action. Thus we come to realize that it was a rather late time; clearly Homer could not have lived before the events he described; and therefore Homer's time cannot be any earlier than the end of the eighth century. But more probably he wrote several decades after the Trojan War...
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