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Dem pledges: I'll 'rip apart' child-rape victims on stand
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | June 25, 2008

Posted on 06/26/2008 4:13:28 AM PDT by Man50D

Massachusetts politician and defense attorney Rep. James Fagan is under intense public scrutiny after he promised to "rip apart" child victims of rape who testify if the state imposes strict sentences for sex offenders.

Fagan, a Democrat, made his controversial remarks on the state House floor, Fox News reported.

"I'm gonna rip them apart," Fagan said of child victims. "I'm going to make sure that the rest of their life is ruined, that when they're 8 years old, they throw up; when they're 12 years old, they won't sleep; when they're 19 years old, they'll have nightmares and they'll never have a relationship with anybody."

As a defense attorney, Fagan said he would prevent accused child sex offenders from experiencing a "mandatory sentence of those draconian proportions."

According to the report, his statements angered both colleagues and activists.

"I thought his comments were over the top and unnecessary," said Bradley Jones, Massachusetts House minority leader. "I appreciate that he's a defense attorney, and felt he had a point to make, but I think it was unnecessary. It was excessive."

Mark Lunsford, a Florida father who lost his 9-year-old daughter after she was kidnapped, wrapped in a trash bag and buried alive by a sex offender in 2005, said he was shocked by Fagan's remarks. He told the Boston Herald that Fagan should have more respect for the rights of sexually abused children.

"Why doesn't he figure out a way to defend that child and put these kind of people away instead of trying to figure ways for defense attorneys to get around Jessica's Law?" Lunsford asked. "These are very serious crimes that nobody wants to take serious. What about the rights of these children?"

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KEYWORDS: fagan; jamesfagan; tenpeat
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1 posted on 06/26/2008 4:13:29 AM PDT by Man50D
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To: Man50D
Nice guy. Reflection on the party's agenda? I'm glad I'm not a member of that party. There'd be a lot of hypocritical things I'd have to explain.
2 posted on 06/26/2008 4:15:08 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Man50D
But, but, but I thought dems were for the children.
3 posted on 06/26/2008 4:15:51 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Man50D

Fagan sounds like a child rapist who would murder his victim.


4 posted on 06/26/2008 4:16:07 AM PDT by Alia
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To: GOP_Lady
They are....for abusing the children, from the womb and now, apparently, aftewards.
5 posted on 06/26/2008 4:17:54 AM PDT by twntaipan (NOBAMA! Say No to B.O.!)
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To: Man50D
""I thought his comments were over the top and unnecessary," said Bradley Jones, Massachusetts House minority leader. "I appreciate that he's a defense attorney, and felt he had a point to make, but I think it was unnecessary. It was excessive."

Excessive? Yeah, I think so. Instead of offering SOLUTIONS, this person rants like a lunatic.

6 posted on 06/26/2008 4:18:07 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Alia

Exactly what I was thinking. Someone needs to investigate this guy a bit further.


7 posted on 06/26/2008 4:18:51 AM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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To: twntaipan

It does seem that way, doesn’t it? How else could you rationally explain thinking like this?


8 posted on 06/26/2008 4:19:08 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Man50D

Reflective of everything that’s wrong with this country. If you can’t win on the facts, use every means available to intimidate and/or destroy your opponent. It’s no longer an advocacy system.


9 posted on 06/26/2008 4:19:40 AM PDT by Homer1
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To: GOP_Lady

Fox & FRiends are going to be talking about this. Also it appears Fr Flagher opened his mouth again. They are going to do a segment on him too.


10 posted on 06/26/2008 4:22:59 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, freerepublic.com baby)
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To: Man50D

he sounds like a grandiose drama queen. The experience of the abuse itself might produce these effects, but I doubt that watchin’ some eye-poppin’ , spit spewing, neck-vein bulging harangue by a defense attorney would.


11 posted on 06/26/2008 4:23:12 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: WayneS

No kidding! The passion of his assertions begs an investigation.


12 posted on 06/26/2008 4:24:08 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Man50D; bocopar

Freeper bocopar (running for office) can’t believe he might be working with these people...(scroll down 2nd video link)...here...

http://blackandright.mndnet.com/

Rip them apart legislatively, Bob. Make sure the rest of their lives are ruined.


13 posted on 06/26/2008 4:25:08 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Man50D

I’m sure his fellow Dhimmicrats would have felt a lot better if he kept that fact to himself.

and of course they would continue to ignore, even applaud, the actual courtroom deeds performed by this despicable barrister.....as long as he just doesn’t brag.


14 posted on 06/26/2008 4:25:20 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: GOP_Lady

Seems evident this guy, James Fagen, has no decency, nor any care for the victims of the molestors and murderers. Our whole legal should be found guilty as partakers of his actions.


15 posted on 06/26/2008 4:29:52 AM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward--Anonymous))
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To: Man50D

Democrat Fagan

PROFESSION: Attorney.

ORGANIZATIONS: Taunton Boys & Girls Club (Board of Directors); Taunton Little League; Taunton Youth Basketball Coach; Massachusetts Waterfowlers, Inc.; Babe Ruth League; High School Umpire; Bristol Ducks Unlimited; Southeastern New England Area Boys’ Clubs of America (past Chairman).


16 posted on 06/26/2008 4:30:19 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: gusopol3
Luntford was just on fox and friends.

How he was able to contain his anger is amazing.

He was calm, and said that what Fagen was attempting to say was true, but he said it in the wrong way. It is true that defense attorneys will attempt to get their clients off however they can.

That is why Jessica's Law is so important, so that child advocates groups can help the victims of child rape to get through the court system without being destroyed.

17 posted on 06/26/2008 4:31:51 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, freerepublic.com baby)
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To: Man50D
satan is the power behind the evil of the world... the dims are just one major evil organization. This man's thoughts allow us to see the very core and soul of the dim party. ALL dims are evil... even the ones that do not realize it... because they aid and abet evil through their blind support.

LLS

18 posted on 06/26/2008 4:31:53 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (REAGANISM... not communism!!!)
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To: GOP_Lady

I don’t know WHAT they are thinking; but I do know that the idea of doing the things he said he would do to child victims of rape would NEVER have entered MY mind if HE hasn’t said them.

Much the same way that the idea of incestuous homosexual pedophilia would never have entered my mind, if Democrat Jim Webb (now a Senator from Virginia) had not graphically described it in one of his “novels”.

My mind just isn’t sick enough I guess. But “THOSE PEOPLE” (Democrat politicians) seem to have a serious sickness, indeed.


19 posted on 06/26/2008 4:41:55 AM PDT by WayneS (HELP! My beloved Commonwealth is becoming MARYLAND!)
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To: WayneS
But “THOSE PEOPLE” (Democrat politicians) seem to have a serious sickness, indeed.

Indeed. Dems are regressives, not "progressives". They uphold a lemming belief that breaking "taboos" is tantamount to freedom. And that "expressing" one's self is "freedom" regardless of who else might be harmed by such "expression".

And then they get into power and pass laws against "violence", free trade, the free markets, and words, and ideas they don't like.

They live perpetually in the Kingdom of Self.

20 posted on 06/26/2008 4:50:51 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Man50D

Well with DEMS everything is “for the children”

...apparently that includes dirct threats of livelong terror from RAT politicians.


21 posted on 06/26/2008 4:52:53 AM PDT by rod1
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To: rod1

any follow up to this story? is it now history? if he had an R next to his name, would it still be news?


22 posted on 06/26/2008 4:57:26 AM PDT by Blue Turtle (I)
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To: GOP_Lady

If he thinks any crime victim advocate or judge would tolerate that behavior, he hasn’t been in court for the last 20 years. The children are shielded, and the Judges will sometimes question them in chambers with defense watching by monitor.


23 posted on 06/26/2008 5:06:33 AM PDT by healy61
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To: Man50D

I can assure you that if he remains true to his word one of those kids is going to eventually come after him.

Take that to the bank. Way too much anger already in a victim of childhood sexual abuse.


24 posted on 06/26/2008 5:06:50 AM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: mware

>>it appears Fr Flagher opened his mouth again. <<

Controversial Priest Returns to the Pulpit - GMA Exclusive: Father Michael Pfleger Talks...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2036649/posts


25 posted on 06/26/2008 5:07:27 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (A vote for any Democrat from BO on down the ticket is a vote for $10 a gallon gas.)
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To: GOP_Lady
Hmmmmmmm. This one a bit too much, it would appear. ORGANIZATIONS: ... Taunton Boys & Girls Club (Board of Directors); Taunton Little League; Taunton Youth Basketball Coach ... Babe Ruth League; High School Umpire ... Southeastern New England Area Boys' Clubs of America (paBut then, this is the State st Chairman).

But then, this is the home state of Barney Frank. House Committee on Ethics, Chair

http://www.mass.gov/legis/member/jhf1.htm

26 posted on 06/26/2008 5:08:51 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (Sure I wave the American flag. Do you know a better flag to wave? John Wayne)
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To: Man50D

Does Fagan endorse Mr B.O.? What’s Mr B.O.’s position regarding this issue? Will the MSM ask such questions? probably NOT


27 posted on 06/26/2008 5:10:36 AM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: Man50D

There are two possibilities here...

Either Fagan is offering a warning that defense attorneys will have no choice but to go for broke and attack the victim once all discretion has been removed from the proceedings, or...

Fagan is admitting in public for attribution that he likes to abuse child rape victims for fun.

If everybody here and at WND wants to assume the latter, that is there business. It makes for great headlines and who doesn’t enjoy getting all into a lather about the abuse of children. I kind of suspect that former was the point he was trying to make, however.


28 posted on 06/26/2008 5:13:26 AM PDT by gridlock (Al Gore wants YOU to live like the Flintstones while HE lives like the Jetsons.)
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To: Man50D

There’s got to be a middle ground between what this lawyer is proposing and what happened in the McMartin Preschool case, where victims couldn’t be cross-examined at all.


29 posted on 06/26/2008 5:14:10 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (I'mma do the things that I wanna do. I ain't got a thing to prove to you.)
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To: Man50D

I have some real problems with our legal system. Justice at time comes at the expense of the innocent as we bend over backwards to protect the rights of the accused. In others parts it seems justice comes to the one who can afford to buy it.


30 posted on 06/26/2008 5:16:11 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Diogenesis

Ummm.... He sure seems to spend a lot of time around little boys, doesn’t he?

You would think that that would foster empathy for them, but the way this guy is acting I am thinking he has another motive to hate mandatory sentences than just his profession as a lawyer.


31 posted on 06/26/2008 5:17:52 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: GOP_Lady
Reflection on the party's agenda?

Reflection on his chosen profession - criminal defense attorney.

32 posted on 06/26/2008 5:27:20 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: gridlock
Fagan is offering a warning that defense attorneys will have no choice but to go for broke and attack the victim once all discretion has been removed from the proceedings, or...

Freepers are so easy to get lathered. Of course this man is making the point of the unintended consequences of the law and conservatives are supposed to be the first in line to consider that. Instead, many of us rather get all emotional.

33 posted on 06/26/2008 5:35:35 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Man50D

You really have to see this guy on a U Tube video, He should be put in a straight Jacket and his license to Practice taken away.

This S.O.B. should be recalled from the Massachusetts State Ligislature, he is dangerous.


34 posted on 06/26/2008 5:47:33 AM PDT by chatham
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To: Diogenesis

Scary that a bastard like this is involved with all those children’s organizations and strangely, only children’s organizations.


35 posted on 06/26/2008 5:52:23 AM PDT by Barb4Bush (I sure don't like it but I guess I'm going to have to vote for McCain)
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To: Man50D
It takes a Demoncrat defense attorney to raze a child.

Leni

36 posted on 06/26/2008 5:54:32 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Stay Home or vote Barr for Obamination, more Taxation, Regulation, Litigation and Ginzburgization)
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To: chatham

Why does Fagan think it’s more important to protect children from lawyers than from child rapists?

someone needs to run against this guy and play this tape over and over again.
When it comes to protecting children, you’re either with us or against us. It’s clear where Fagan falls. I just can’t understand how anyone could be


37 posted on 06/26/2008 5:55:20 AM PDT by wilco200 (Typical White Person)
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To: chatham
This S.O.B. should be recalled from the Massachusetts State Ligislature, he is dangerous.

Yes, but the Massholes will probably re-elect him in a landslide.

38 posted on 06/26/2008 5:56:30 AM PDT by chimera
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To: Diogenesis

Uh oh. too many connections to youth groups.

The poster who thought he ought to be investigated has it right.

Very scary.


39 posted on 06/26/2008 6:19:09 AM PDT by Carley
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To: Carley

Fagan’s rant sounds like those who say we shouldn’t fight back against Islam because they might get mad at us.


40 posted on 06/26/2008 6:23:56 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Man50D

WWJD

Matthew 18:5-7 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

5”And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

7”Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!


41 posted on 06/26/2008 6:25:07 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: gridlock
I kind of suspect that former was the point he was trying to make, however.

Then why didn't he use the word "they" instead of "I"?

I noticed you started that sentence with "I", indicating that those are your thoughts.

42 posted on 06/26/2008 7:13:57 AM PDT by F-117A (Mr. Bush, Condi, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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To: Barb4Bush

“Scary that a bastard like this is involved with all those children’s organizations and strangely, only children’s organizations.”

It does raise the creep factor to a new level doesn’t it.
What’s this guy’s personal story?
Wife? children?


43 posted on 06/26/2008 7:21:36 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: F-117A
Then why didn't he use the word "they" instead of "I"?

I dunno. Maybe he's a Drama Queen. It is an annoyong rhetorical device, but nothing to toss the man in the stocks over.

44 posted on 06/26/2008 7:24:05 AM PDT by gridlock (Al Gore wants YOU to live like the Flintstones while HE lives like the Jetsons.)
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The reality is that this loon is threatening children if he doesn’t get his way on a piece of legislation. That’s not rhetoric.


45 posted on 06/26/2008 7:31:25 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: massgopguy

Sick ba$tard


46 posted on 06/26/2008 7:52:29 AM PDT by Carley
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This man deserves a horrible, painful death after he has been raped by a gang of illegal aliens. BTW, I will not apologize for wishing such suffering on a piece of human debris like this. Using your profession as an excuse to commit vile acts shouldn’t work for Nazi Generals or lawyers...


47 posted on 06/26/2008 9:08:08 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: Man50D

Fagan is one sick bastard....he needs a psychological evaluation immediately


48 posted on 06/26/2008 10:26:31 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda ( MUST SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc)
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To: Maverick68
Yeah, you're far better than he is...

*rolling eyes*

49 posted on 06/26/2008 10:57:32 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Thank you Dith Pran for showing us what Communism brings)
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To: Teacher317

Actually I am. I advocate destroying those who rape children whilst he defends the scum and hides behind his lawyerly shield . Any other lame attempts at insulting my character? Feel free, because your compulsion to (in a defacto manner) defend this creep (in an indirect and sarcastic manner) affirms my attitude not to give two sh$ts what people think about me when it comes to my attitude on crime and punishment. Craving the destruction of evil in all its forms is not a sign of weakness. Let God have mercy on him if he decides to mend his evil heart and soul, but as for me, I hope this punk gets an assload of karma! Have a goodun’!


50 posted on 06/26/2008 11:40:54 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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