Skip to comments.Unstamped certificate suggests Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen (Updated 6/26)
Posted on 06/27/2008 2:51:17 PM PDT by Red Steel
Janice Okubo, in response to an Israeli Insider question on Tuesday, would not confirm nor deny whether she had told a St. Petersburg Times reporter whether she had said the birth certificate was "real", citing the statutory stipulation that "Hawaii state law (HRS §338-18) prevents disclosure of information contained in vital statistics records except to those people who have a direct and tangible interest in the record as defined by statute." This would, however, seem to negate the propriety of any disclosure by her of confidential information.
Jim Geraghty of The National Review Online, following up on this Israel Insider report, said he had contacted Okubo:
"I spoke to Ms. Okubo late Wednesday afternoon, and she said she had seen the version of Obama's certificate of live birth posted on the sites. While her office cannot verify the information on a form without the permission of the certificate holder (Obama), she said "the form is exactly the same" and it has 'all the components of a birth certificate' record issued by the state. In other words, she sees no reason to think the version posted on Obama's web site and Daily Kos is not genuine."
"The 'embossed seal' in question is, she said, probably on the back of the document provided to Daily Kos, but not visible (as in another certificate posted on Israel Insider for contrast). She thinks the difference in visibility can be attributed to the pressure used when applying the seal."
Geraghty's interpretation of Okubo's comments is inexact and tendentious. First, her observation that "the form is the same" is not contested, here or elsewhere. No one is doubting that the form that appears on the various websites (including this one) is a replica of that used for valid certificates. Therefore Geraght's interpretation that follows "In other words" is clearly his own conclusion, not hers.
Indeed, Okubo confirms to Geraghty that the image is lacking the "embossed seal" (and the official signature) that are required for the certificate to be valid. While "she thinks" that the difference in visibility might be attributed to varying "pressure," she admits that she does not know and has not seen the original.
Contrasting the purported Obama image with the DeCosta sample, it is hard to imagine the embossed seal and signature being of such light pressure that they would become completely invisible. An inked date of June 6, 2007, in reverse, does come through. But in any event, Okubo's confirmation that the premsumptive birth certificate is lacking the required stamps makes it all the more imperative for Obama to release the original paper certification, the only valid kind, and not an easy-to-photoshop electronic facsimile thereof. It should not be hard to produce, since Hawaii provides for family members to request them.
Even though Geraghy notes that Obama "initially refused to provide his birth certificate," he has suggested that it is "rather unlikely" that Obama was born in Kenya, since it would require that the candidate and his family do a lot of lying. In fact, there were reports of Kenyati relatives claiming he was born there, and there is the mysterious disappearance of his grandmother, who may indeed know something about this subject.
After all, being born in Hawaii is part of the "family legend" and it would be unreasonable to expect this to vary from interview to interview, especially when a non-Hawaiian birth would invalidate Obama's run for the presidency.
It is indeed hard to believe that Obama could have gone through his life without having to prove that he was an American citizen. But the credulity with which the mainstream media has automatically accepted as valid the image that appears on the radical left Daily Kos blog and on the Obama campaign's polemical "Fight the Smears" website makes it clear that many have been unwilling, now and in the past, to demand proof of an authentic document. They prefer to accept on faith that the candidate or his campaign would not lie about such a thing, assuming he has nothing to hide and no motive to lie.
But until the certified paper birth document is produced -- either by media pressure or a legal challenge in any state -- the fact remains that Obama has not proven that he is a "natural born citizen" eligible to be President according to the Constitution.
This would require an affirmative ruling by the court and could create situation where a special master could be the “controller” of the documentation and rule one way or the other.
I heard from the MSM (CBS?) that in his first primary, Obama forced out a candidate by ruling her inelligible (did not have every i dotted and every t crossed).
What’s good for the goose...
McCain’s dad was serving in the military. A US base is not US territory? Our embassies are US territory too.
Obama’s dad was not a citizen. And he was already married. And he was gone by age 2.
I agree with you. But don’t forget that we were just one justice’s opinion away from having the Second Amendment declared unconstitutional. Liberals will do anything to attain power.
Let’s make this a non-issue by insuring he is defeated at the polls.
He does not care about the fools in his camp.
He does not care about the multiple deceptions that he presents.
He does not care about the taxpayer dollars that he takes.
He does not care about anyone or anything except himself.
He is an extortionist, a thug and a racist.
I hope that is all he will ever be.
You gotta love the hypocricy. Obama:
1) Challenged qualifying signatures on all his Illinois State Senate Democrat primary opponents' applications (see Alice Palmer), running unopposed,
2) had sealed divorce records of his Democrat primary opponent Blair Hull exposed, revealing accusations of wife-beating and forcing Hull out of the primary,
1) had sealed divorce records of his Republican opponent Jack Ryan exposed, revealing accusations of wanting to perform public sex acts and forcing Ryan out of the general election.
It seems that Obama can't win without legal technicalities or by destroying his opponent by exposing sealed private records. So now, people want Obama's records exposed, and there aren't any, anwhere?
Or “What goes around comes around...”
Either way, a test case in US court would quickly end this issue once and for all.
Why is the certificate # blacked out?
African is not a race! In 1961, wouldn't Negro or Negroid have been used to describe his Father's race instead of African?
Where is the indentation of the official seal and the folded marks, the rest of us have on our valid birth certificate copies?
Last but not least: What are the reverse purple lettering past the last entry line on the lower middle right? What do they mean, and why are they there?
Did Dan Blather's former liar/inept forgier, Mary Mapes create this bs?
Is this phoney birth certificate just another example of the Real but Fake Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas, the Islamofacist Manchurian Candidate for Changing America?
Compare this doctored and phoney BC with a real one shown below:
We probably have as much chance of seeing a real copy of his birth certificate as seeing John Kerrys full military record. Kerry refused to release his military records, and Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas, the Islamofacist Manchurian Candidate will probably not show his BC. We will be labeled as racists for daring to question his birth.
Oh without a doubt, and the good thing, Senator McCain was very pleased with the ruling.
But, I haven’t found Senator McCain’s remarks on the Supreme Court Ruling where the Justices struck down part of Campaign Finance Reform. Senator McCain will run from any comments on the CFR ruling in order to keep from having foot in mouth disease after he helped to orchestrate the horrible piece of legislation.
“Somebody with deep pockets is going to have to go to court and demand proof of Obamas eligibility to run for office...”
It will be dangerous and costly. And it would likely take a Democrat for reasons of standing. Just being a citizen probably won’t cut it.
And still it could go either way. There is enough stare decisis out there to decide against disclosure first and find case law later.
Because he's a lawyer?
How? Because some people doubt that the image of the form he released is valid?
The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obamas birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.
I guess the big issue thats being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature, Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. Because they scanned the front you wouldnt see those things.
Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.
And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.
I've come to the conclusion that Okubo is covering the best she can for Obama.
Okubo: Because they scanned the front you wouldnt see those things.
BS. Patricia Decosta's Birth Certificate shows the certifying markings from a scan of the front.
Okubo: And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.
More BS. The dude must have super xray vision. But Ms. Okubo, you just told us that "you wouldn't see those things" from a front side scan of a Hawaiian birth certificate.
Ms. Okubo, why don't the Obama people rescan the document using a higher resolution scanning, the front and back, and republish it back online? I'm waiting miss Okubo...it wouldn't take the Obama people more than 2 minutes to do the job. Are they incompetent or do they have something to hide?
The black box that redacts the birth certificate was done by a computer.
Who did that? Obama or the state of Hawaii?
Doesn't that statute say that a relative qualifies? I still say we should get cousin Dick Cheney to request a copy of Obama's birth certificate!
Hell, don’t we *all* have a direct and tangible interest??