Unstamped certificate suggests Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen

Israel Insider ^ | June 24, 2008 | Reuven Koret

[FocusNexus]

The "birth certificate" claimed by the Barack Obama campaign is not certified as authentic and appears to be a photoshopped fake.

Embossed seal of the State of Hawaii absent from the purported "birth certificate" of Barack Obama

Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: "At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically." And, she added, "In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."

So if he were registered as being born in Hawaii, Barack Obama -- because only he or another member of his immediate family could by law request a "Certification of Live Birth" -- must have a certified paper copy, with embossed stamp and seal, or he could request one. But what his campaign has put forward as genuine, according to the senior spokesman in the relevant department of the State of Hawaii, is not in fact a certified copy. It is not valid.

The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document -- notably in very low resolution -- on its "Fight the Smears" website, with campaign officials vowing that it's authentic, sending the image around as "proof" to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama's birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the "Certification of Live Birth." Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature.

[shadowgovernment]

“on its face, the published certificate is a fake and there is no evidence of any character anywhere that has appeared that he was in fact born in the US.

A very early interview of relatives in Kenya supports the proposition he was born there. If he was, he misses the Constitutional qualification of “natural born citizen” and he misses the citizenship statute unless he has been the subject of a naturalization proceeding.”
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thank you, this has legs, lets push this info on other blogs it will have an effect.

[Cedric]

Hey, Jeff, check-out #94.

That didn’t take long!

[musicman]

Okay...my tin foil hat is on as I post this.

One thing caught my eye after seeing the "certificate" many times. There was something on the back of the certificate that came through when it was copied. It is almost invisible, but it is there. Below is the "certificate" with the area circled in red.

I put it in Photoshop, and enlarged it:

Then I "flipped" it, and reset the brightness and contrast, and it looked like this:

Is this anything that Hawaii puts on all the "copies" requested for birth certificates?

If it is a date of some sort, IMHO, it looks a little "funny" as far as the "6" and especially the LAST number of the "year" goes.

I read it as: JUN - 6 2007 (or 2003?)

If Hawaii did put this "date" on the "certificate", could records be checked by date to see if the redacted certificate number could then be verified in some way and poossibly a "copy" of the "copy" be aquired???

If this is really "nothing to see here"...I'll just "move along" and let the thread return to normal FR programming as I remove my tin foil hat, and post this....

[HighWheeler]

So Fred, explain why his father’s race is listed as “African”, and not negro, negroid, or black. Any suspicion in that?

I suppose that happens all the time, but I didn’t see “North American” listed as my parents’ race on my birth certificate.

[weef]

Isn’t there some organization in the US government that certifies presidential candidates?

[David]

"“Wouldn’t he have been considered a citizen even if he was born in another country, if his mother was a citizen.”

Yes, it appears so — but it gets a little iffy, since Obama’s Mother was 18 when he was born, so technically she didn’t meet the requirement of residing in the US for 5 years after age 14 — but, as I said, this could be just a technicality.

“If both parents are U.S. citizens, at least one resided in the U.S. before the child’s birth.

If one parent is a U.S. citizen, the U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after age 14.”"

No.

The Constitutional requirement is that to qualify, a person must be a "natural born" citizen. The citizenship statutes have no bearing on the question.

He also has a real Citizenship issue. If he didn't do a naturalization proceeding, and if he was in fact born in Kenya, he isn't a Citizen either because his mother flunks the five years after age 21 requirement.

[Paleo Conservative]

I dont’ understand why the campaign doesn’t simply provide a credible outfit with an original. Just put one right in someone’s hand with a certificate number on it and maybe an affidavit from the appropriate authority in Hawaii.

I think the secretaries of state of the 50 states would have standing to request a certified copy of the birth certificate directly from the State of Hawaii Department of Health. Without proof of status as a "natural born citizen" states should refuse to place his name and the slate of electors plegeded to him on the ballot for the general election.

[FocusNexus]

Ultra Sonic 007:

"I saved this image, and zoomed in on where the fields are filled in, and it is obvious that this document was photoshopped. The fields with text are all pasted in as an overlay, which is obvious from the surrounding pixel distortion.

HOWEVER, there is ONE area in this image that is not photoshopped, and which shows the negative image of the text "JUN 6 2007". It is at the right of the text showing "Date Filled by Registrar."

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Thanks for pointing it out -- after your post, I looked at the enlarged certificate and you are correct.

[TommyTrojan]

Mom has assumed room temperature.

[shadowgovernment]

David, thanks again and again.

As I understand it the electoral college certifies the electoral votes

and The house then ratifies the election, but what agency or person certifies that the candidates meet all the
criteria is an unknown to many here on FR and myself ...

This issue could be history in the making..will congress step in here?

[Cedric]

What is with these liberal forgers? First CBS, now this.

Jeesh, I did better forgeries on my fake hall passes in high school and, believe me, they were horrible.

[taraytarah]

" In fact, there were reports of Kenyati relatives claiming he was born there..."

I find it incredible that people will believe one man's story before the witness of others, over and over again. With the aid of the m.s.media's mind-control-of-the-masses, The Obama could claim he invented the internet, and even Al Gore wouldn't dispute it.

[Paleo Conservative]

Nobody is questioning his citizenship.

What do you mean by that? If he's not a "natural born citizen", when did he ever become a naturalized citizen? If he wasn't a citizen from birth, then he would have been required to be naturalized in order to be a citizen now. He is either a "natural born citizen" of the US or he is a resident alien. If in fact he is not a US citizen by birth and never naturalized, he would be inelegible to even hold his seat in the US Senate!

[Prole]

Right!

What we are questioning is WHY he would publish a falsified document as genuine.

Why is the Obama camp being DECEPTIVE if they have nothing to hide?

[Cedric]

Nobody is questioning his citizenship...."

...just the country of which he is one.

[Prole]

Obama is a liar and a deceiver, and he knows that he must ride deception all the way to November.

If he is exposed on TV and in the newspapers as a falsifier of official documents, he is finished.

If the internet is abuzz about this, then Talk Radio needs to consider it. Once Talk Radio and the online forums keep the pressure up, the MSM may actually have to acknowledge Obama's fraud.

If they don't, then the truth regarding Obama's media shield will only be more obvious.

[FocusNexus]

Just came across another interesting tid-bit ( go back and take a look at the certificate picture posted in post 2)

Hawaii had laser printers in 1961?

http://bentcorner.com/2008/06/hawaii-had-laser-printers-in-1961/

“I don’t think even Dan Rather would think this form was issued in 1961. It looks too modern. It’s printed on anti-tamper paper and the bottom left corner states OHSM 1.1 (Rev. 11/01) LASER.

Normally something like that would mean that it’s a form last revised in November, 2001 and it’s printed with a laser printer.

A birth certificate normally has a signature from the attending physician. It also usually includes things such as weight and length. It normally also includes the name of the hospital where the child was born. More importantly, it has a raised stamp showing that the birth certificate is legit.

This doesn’t have any of those things.”

[ckilmer]

this animated gif image goes back and forth between obama's birth certificate and a real birth certificate. note the missing seal, the blacked out certificate number and the differences along the edges of the seal. in order to show detail this is a high mg download.

this writer examines the writing in detail and shows why much of the writing on obama's birth certificate was photo shopped.

[Apple Pan Dowdy]

Do you suppose that the Republicans do have the proof in hand that Obama does not meet the citizenship requirements, but are just waiting till after the Dem convention to let it out...... that way it will be too late for the Dems to pick a different candidate?

[Prole]

Given how the entire election process is playing out like a soap opera, I wouldn't be surprised at all if your theory held true.

The other key thing to remember is that Hillary is probably still very pro-active in her fight against Obama.

We won't find out her true intentions until the DNC convention is over this August.

I am still extremely curious about what happened during the secret meeting at Feinstein's house a few weeks ago.

[Apple Pan Dowdy]

You could be right.... maybe Hillary knows too and she is waiting till the convention, then will have someone else “out” the proof..... then she can step in and save the day for the party and agree to take over as the candidate.

[mcshot]

Timely post to rally the FR truth detectors because like the Rather dude the truth be damned and irrelevant. This needs to be adequately resolved beyond a shadow.
I keep thinking of the Muslim capacity or obligation for “Double Speak”.
And all the certified copies of birth certificated I HAD to order from the state of Mi are embossed.

[rbg81]

Y’know, I’m sure that any two-bit detective could check on the existence of a birth certificate in public records. Hell, you could probably even do it using the Internet.

[jacquej]

As long as we are speculamentating here, how about this?

If Obama was born in Kenya, as some of his relatives claim, what if his momma never filed the proper paperwork to “naturalize” him. We do know she was very young, and probably didn’t really understand the importance of going through all that boring stuff, right?

Suppose he is now actually an “illegal alien”, because of a lack of due diligence on her part? I almost could feel sorry for the poor guy, but wonder what he did to register with Selective Service when he turned 18.

Then again, maybe mom thought she was doing him a favor by getting him into the country without proper “certificates”, so he wouldn’t have to register when the time came, what with the Vietnam debacle and all.

Could he have used a phony certificate to get through all the hoops, and his entire past is based on a “fraudulent” certificate of “filing”, and no-one ever thought to question it?

Of course, I am just wondering around, totally outside of the pen. Maybe someone should chase me down with a tranquilizer dart, or whatever they do for a loose loon...

[Paleo Conservative]

Then again, maybe mom thought she was doing him a favor by getting him into the country without proper “certificates”, so he wouldn’t have to register when the time came, what with the Vietnam debacle and all.

That was long before the buildup in Vietnam.

[ImaGraftedBranch]

I noted the same thing. Look the images showing the negative JUN 6 2007 in the first 100 threads (I posted on my son’s laptop, so the post is under Ultra Sonic 007)

[Apple Pan Dowdy]

"I’m sure that any two-bit detective could check on the existence of a birth certificate in public records."

The problem is that I think Birth Certificates are NOT public record. I think I remember someone recently getting arrested for hacking into the passport data base to obtain Obama's passport?

[jacquej]

Yes, it was, Paleo.
Was it during the early days of the Cuban missile crisis?

Or was that 1963... I tend to get my dates confribrillamented these days.

[Dinah Lord]

bump

[Prole]

I am confident it will take a full investigation into Hawaii's records department to really know the score.

If there is nothing official on state record, then what does that tell us?

It tells us that the only thing ever published on Obama's birth was a falsified document (and a sloppily created one at that).

I see Obama for what he truly is: A fraud, liar and deceiver. Why else would his camp publish deceit and expect us to take it as fact?

[deport]

Is/was Obama’s mom a US citizen? Was she born in the US or it’s territories? How many parents is required for a child to become a citizen? Does a child have to be born in the US or it’s territories to be a ‘naturalized citizen’? Has the Courts spoken to requirements about ‘naturalized citizenship’ for persons born outside the US or it’s territories?

Questions to ponder, maybe or maybe not.

[traumer]

I wonder if Hillary know about this....

[SERKIT]

The LASER form was revised November 2001 (11/01), so:

1) I don't think there were LASER printers in 1961, and

2) This HAS to be a certified COPY of his 1961 birth certificate, so

3) WHERE IS THE ORIGINAL?

4) Does that mean that the posted birth certificate is "fake but accurate"?

This sounds like a 2008 version of Dan Rather's fake documents on a Remington typewriter. In this case, there were no LASER forms in 1961.

Again I ask: WHERE IS THE ORIGINAL?!?!?!?!

[Paleo Conservative]

Only advisors and elite units like the Green Berets were sent to Vietnam prior to the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964. If he were born overseas and entered the US as newborn, it would have been months before the Cuban Missle Crisis in October 1962. The buildup in Vietnam was 3 years away. Why in 1961 or 1962 would his mother be trying to help him avoid a draft that wouldn’t become unpopular for another 5 or 6 years?

[deport]

Obama was born Aug. 4, 1961. President Kennedy reached an accord to dismantle the missiles on Oct. 28, 1962.

[jacquej]

Good for you, Paleo!

You shot part of my loony theory out of the water, and as Martha says, “that is a good thing”.

What about the rest of my wandering around the fringes of reasonable ponderment?

[ckilmer]

This is a google search of birth certificate obama. This story is steadily making its way up the info food chain.

This link gives the growing list of posts at free republic on obama's birth certificate.

[The Truth Will Make You Free]

Look, John Adams was born in a boat off the coast of New England and Andrew Jackson was a bastard and Zachary Taylor was born in a wagon south of the Rio Grande and don't even get me stared about Sally Henning.

This is either sarcasm, a demonstration of ignorance, or an outright lie mean to confuse and deceive.

From http://www.presidentsusa.net and other sources.

John Adams
2nd President: 1797-1801
Birth: October 30, 1735 at Quincy, Massachusetts

Zachary Taylor
12th President: 1849-1850
Birth: November 24, 1784 at Montebello, Virginia

Andrew Jackson
Jackson was the third child and third son of Scots-Irish parents. His father, also named Andrew, died as the result of a logging accident just a few weeks before the future president was born. Jackson's mother, Elizabeth ("Betty") Hutchison Jackson, was by all accounts a strong, independent woman. After her husband's death she raised her three sons at the South Carolina home of one of her sisters.

[ckilmer]

This is a google search of birth certificate obama. This story is steadily making its way up the info food chain.

[az_gila]

On the “embarrassing info” suggestion....

It is possible to change Hawaii Birth Certificates after the fact if all involved parties agree.

This is a Q & A from the state web site.

http://hawaii.gov/ag/csea/main/pis/main/faqs/index_html#Paternity

My husband is not the biological father of my new baby. My boyfriend, the biological father, and I want to establish that he is the father and have his name placed on the birth certificate. Can I apply for CSEA services?

You must complete and submit two applications for CSEA services. Complete one application naming your husband as the father and the other naming your boyfriend as the father. You may write, visit, or call CSEA at one of the branch locations to request an application.

Could the blacked out serial number come from a much later date when the certificate changed? ...perhaps a father's name added? ...or the babies name changed?

Both would be legal, but would probably reset the certificate number to the time in the numeric sequence when the change occurred.
Perhaps it is simply not a 1961 series number?

[Reagan79]

Because his full name is Barack Muhammed Hussein Obama.

[Jeff Chandler]

Nobody is questioning his citizenship.
 
What do you mean by that?

I stand corrected.

[MainFrame65]

My parents were both American citizens when I was born in a civilian hospital in London England. The hospital issued a British birth certificate, but my Father also registered my birth with the American embassy, and obtained a Consular certificate of birth for me.

Years later, after my Father died and my Mother re-married, my new step-father adopted me and my brother in California. The court issued each of us a new “delayed certificate of birth” with our new last name.

I still had access to my old certificates, but my brother, who was born in California, had his original birth certificate sealed by the state. Strangely, I now use my stepfather’s name, and my brother has reverted to his birth name - although he cannot produce a birth certificate showing it.

[The Truth Will Make You Free]

So Fred, explain why his father’s race is listed as “African”, and not negro, negroid, or black. Any suspicion in that?

I'm not Fred, but I see a logical explanation for using "African" and not "negro, negroid, or black". The former could apply to a citizen of an African nation, while the latter could apply to a multi-generational descendant of a former American slave.

There is a vast difference between an American black and someone from Africa. I once did some work with a fellow from Nigeria who was working with the black community in our town. Initially I thought they would be from the same mold, but as time went it became clear that their working together was like getting oil and water to mix.

So the term "African" could be totally legitimate.

[Jeff Chandler]

Do you suppose that the Republicans do have the proof in hand that Obama does not meet the citizenship requirements, but are just waiting till after the Dem convention to let it out

Nah, that's not their style. They would be more likely to attack anybody who brought the truth forward. I don't know why; they're just stupid, I guess.

[taraytarah]

I wonder if Hillary knows about this....

Hillary is on top of everything Obama. She is either being blackmailed into keeping silent, OR she's waiting for the "perfect time" to reveal the b.c. or another scandal via someone being paid nicely for the honors. Exposing ineligibility certainly seems the sure shot.

[Jeff Chandler]

Questions to ponder, maybe or maybe not.

You may be right, or you may be wrong.

[deport]

You may be right, or you may be wrong.

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LOL......

Yep them ifa’s, coulda’s and woulda’s will surely get you.

[Apple Pan Dowdy]

"Nah, that's not their style. They would be more likely to attack anybody who brought the truth forward. I don't know why; they're just stupid, I guess. "

Well I can't argue with you there ......they continue to show stupidity time and time again.

[Reagan79]

Even if you were born in New Zealand to two American parents you are a naturalized citizen, and every U.S. military installation is U.S. soil. You are thinking way too hard about this issue. McCain is 100% eligible. I’m not sure about the Obama question, not enough information without a proper birth certificate.