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Fed-Up Families Turn To Barbed Wire, Shotguns To Police Neighborhood (Sanford Florida)
Local6.com - Orlando FL ^ | 1 July 2008 | Local6.com

Posted on 07/01/2008 12:06:10 PM PDT by Jasper

Homeowners: 'Someone Is Going To Get Hurt'

SANFORD, Fla. -- Families in a crime-ridden Central Florida neighborhood are arming themselves with shotguns and talking about adding electric barbed wire to stop thieves targeting their homes.

"Somebody is going to end up getting hurt," resident Andrea Fine said. "The homeowners are tense. We are all on edge. For the first time in my life I'm really scared to live in my home."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bang; crime; florida; gangs; guns; propertyrights
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1 posted on 07/01/2008 12:06:10 PM PDT by Jasper
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To: Jasper

Smoking a few of the perps will be a good deterrent.


2 posted on 07/01/2008 12:08:16 PM PDT by Eurale
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To: Jasper
My bet is that their crime problem has everything to do with a Section 8 housing development.
3 posted on 07/01/2008 12:09:04 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Public policy should never become the captive of a scientific-technological elite. -- Ike Eisenhower)
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To: Eurale
Smoking a few of the perps will be a good deterrent.

Yup

It sounds like the residents are at wits end, and are ready to do just that. More power to 'em.

/jasper

4 posted on 07/01/2008 12:11:44 PM PDT by Jasper (Stand Fast, Craigellachie!!)
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To: Eurale

welcome to the ‘hood. NORMAL people that live in this area need pit bulls and pistols.


5 posted on 07/01/2008 12:11:50 PM PDT by spacejunkie
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To: All

I’m not familiar with that part of Florida - other than it’s near Orlando.

I’d have thought this area wouls be safe being that it’s far away from the crudy areas of Orlando.

Can anyone give me some details on this area?


6 posted on 07/01/2008 12:12:11 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve

it used to be ‘in the country’ and was mainly redneck, small time Florida. In other words, a great part of town. Now it’s got a burgeoning black community that doesn’t care about anything except drugs.


7 posted on 07/01/2008 12:13:36 PM PDT by spacejunkie
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To: Jasper
The city's police chief said he is working on a solution.

Baffled, is he? I'd suggest a greater presence in the area, but that's just me.

He could help the civilians by organizing neighborhood watch groups led by LEOs.

He could open his gun range and allow citizens full access for practice. That way there'll be no long, drawn-out court procedings.

Free ammo for the neighbors would help.

8 posted on 07/01/2008 12:19:15 PM PDT by HoosierHawk (Hypocrisy does not apply to liberals.)
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To: Jasper
“Somebody is going to end up getting hurt,”

Hopefully, the right people get hurt.

These brazen criminals love passive crime measures. They insure that they can strike quickly and get away before the police get the 911 call.

Most criminals aren't afraid of being caught. The get out on bail, got to court and get a light or suspended sentence. My greatest fear is that trial lawyers are flocking like buzzards, waiting for the first body to drop.

9 posted on 07/01/2008 12:19:27 PM PDT by oyez (Justa' another high minded lowlife.)
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To: MplsSteve

My brother in law was a fire fighter at a Sanford station....... he said they were getting at least 30 calls a day!! It’s wild over there.


10 posted on 07/01/2008 12:22:15 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: Jasper

Paging Joe Horn and all like minded Americans!


11 posted on 07/01/2008 12:23:26 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: spacejunkie
There ya go! . .


12 posted on 07/01/2008 12:25:12 PM PDT by JZelle
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To: Jasper

We can spend money on all sorts of “worthwhile” governmental programs, as well as millions of people here illegally, but enough on public safety to protect our residents?

Nah.


13 posted on 07/01/2008 12:31:54 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: JZelle

just callin’ a spade a spade ;)


14 posted on 07/01/2008 12:32:46 PM PDT by spacejunkie
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To: MplsSteve

sanford like all areas has its good and bad sections. not sure which part they are talking about but in general central florida has gone down the drain. i live 40 miles from sanford in daytona and we have a large transient population. every morning when you turn on the news you hear of another murder in an area you wouldn’t have imagined.


15 posted on 07/01/2008 12:35:28 PM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: MplsSteve

Central Florida is mostly an armpit. The only major metro not on the ocean or gulf (ie built in the middle of a swamp) that has been attracting human garbage for the past 25 years. There are still parts of Seminole and Lake counties that are OK, to say nothing of Winter Park in Orange.


16 posted on 07/01/2008 12:35:54 PM PDT by Clemenza (You Shoot Me in a Dream, You Better Wake Up and Apologize)
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To: tatsinfla; MplsSteve

Central Florida has become very popular with the underclass that has been gentrified out of New York City over the past 15 years as well.


17 posted on 07/01/2008 12:37:02 PM PDT by Clemenza (You Shoot Me in a Dream, You Better Wake Up and Apologize)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Wow, that article on housing was great. Has it been posted as a stand-alone thread?


18 posted on 07/01/2008 12:41:34 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: Clemenza

give us your tired your hungry your poor.....thats what it seems is on the sign at the state line. the state must be doing some heavy duty advertising around the country because they are coming in droves only to find it isn’t what it is all cracked up to be.


19 posted on 07/01/2008 12:45:05 PM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: Jasper

Good luck with the barbed wire. After my Washington, D.C. Capitol Hill house was burglarized for the third time, I tried to get barbed wire added to my backyard fence, only to be told that it is against the law in Washington, D.C. because “somebody might get hurt.” In other words, the criminals’ rights not to get hurt breaking into my property were more important than my right to be secure in my home. I moved to Virginia and have never looked back. Our Nation’s Capitol is designed for and run by criminals.


20 posted on 07/01/2008 12:46:14 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: spacejunkie
NORMAL people that live in this area need pit bulls and pistols.

Tough to do ballistics on buckshot. Not a recommendation, just saying...

21 posted on 07/01/2008 12:52:20 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: tatsinfla
I spent two tours of duty in the Sunshine State, one in high school (I finished HS in Boca Raton) and another as an adult (in Miami). It is a strange state in that folks who've made a ton of money in New York, Latin America, Canada, etc. buy a second or primary home there, and drive up real estate prices. Meanwhile, salaries remain low, which means that the state has difficulty attracting the educated class, and encourages speculation on the part of the "commission class" (aka real estate investors/agents/mortgage brokers). Then, you have the flotsam and jetsam of humanity who think that by moving to "sunny Florida" they can leave their troubles behind, but end up bringing their troubles with them.

I enjoy visiting my parents in Boca, and my friends in Miami, but I would suggest another state if you are family oriented and want a future outside of real estate speculation.

22 posted on 07/01/2008 12:54:02 PM PDT by Clemenza (You Shoot Me in a Dream, You Better Wake Up and Apologize)
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To: Clemenza

i gre up in florida moved here in 59 at 3yo. left in 75 navy came back in 79. job market sucked so i went north where the rest of the family was. (massachusetts) bubble burst in mid 80’s and left for ohio where wifes family was from. i had sworn i would never come back to florida. well ended up back here in 89 and can’t get ahead enough to get the hell out of dodge fast enough.


23 posted on 07/01/2008 12:59:41 PM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: Jasper

Blue City ping!


24 posted on 07/01/2008 1:00:55 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; windchime; ...
Florida Freeper


25 posted on 07/01/2008 1:02:40 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: fightinJAG
Yes.
26 posted on 07/01/2008 1:04:08 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Public policy should never become the captive of a scientific-technological elite. -- Ike Eisenhower)
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To: tatsinfla; MplsSteve; spacejunkie

The south florida crime wave hit orange/seminole/volusia county over the past 10-20 years.


27 posted on 07/01/2008 1:09:50 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Don't remember if you were on a "diversity in academia" thread recently where we started talking about The Bell Curve.

Man, I hope the researchers quoted in that housing article will get up the courage to read The Bell Curve, because it answers a bunch of their questions. Specifically, it uses data to demonstrate that, because poverty is *largely* associated with cognitive abilities, poverty does indeed "accompany" people no matter how much external forces, such as the government, try to change their impoverish circumstances.

As several former housing project residents stated in the article, all the bad stuff just came right with the people into the new neighborhoods.

I also found it interesting that TBC spends quite a lot of time talking about community and valued places in communities for people of all cognitive abilities. So many of the people in the housing article lamented their loss of place in community, having ended up just as poor, with almost as many problems in their neighborhood, but without the sense of community and the ability to find a valued place in it.

28 posted on 07/01/2008 1:12:39 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: stainlessbanner

oh i know all too well. used to live in the st cloud kissimmee area. they were once nice quiet cowboy towns. need i tell you what they are now? the cowboys all left the state.


29 posted on 07/01/2008 1:15:38 PM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: fightinJAG; E. Pluribus Unum
It's a good article, in that it exposes the utter failure -- and threat to the larger community -- of Section 8 housing subsidies (which began in Chicago, of course, with a "prettified" study) -- but it draws the wrong conclusions.

It uses two females -- the young one who got her GED, and says “I know I have to venture out in the world,” she said, running through her options: Go back to school? Get a job? Get married? Have a baby? “I want more. I’m so ready to have my own. I just don’t know how to get it.” (Hint: how about working for a living?)

Then there's the older woman: "11 years crack-free and, at 47, eager to take advantage of every free program that comes her way—a leadership class, Windows Vista training, a citizen police course, a writing workshop." (Hint: How about working for a living?)

Of course, the article doesn't suggest that maybe, just maybe -- these two women should try getting an actual job, but that this experiment is has become "baffling and disappointing"  and "When the projects came down, the residents lost their public-support system—health clinics, child care, job training. Memphis’s infant-mortality rate is rising, for example, and Betts is convinced that has something to do with poor people’s having lost easy access to prenatal care. The services remained downtown while the clients scattered all over the city, many of them with no convenient transportation."

So, after all, the problem is the government's fault -- besides move these people out of rat-infested "projects," they should have followed them with all those services they were accustomed to....with no accountability or responsiblity required from the recipients, as usual.

30 posted on 07/01/2008 1:27:21 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: JZelle

That comment is racist! oh wait...

www.thugreport.com


31 posted on 07/01/2008 1:28:53 PM PDT by Eddie01 (Freeper ID clue: I spy something blue and cold)
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To: tatsinfla
"Where all the white women at?"

32 posted on 07/01/2008 1:30:16 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: evets

"I want the rest of you cowboys to know something, there's a new sheriff in town. And his name is Barack Obama. So y’all be cool! Right on."

33 posted on 07/01/2008 1:35:14 PM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: spacejunkie

Spot on. I used to live in Apopka and had business in Sanford on many occasions. It was a nice and friendly small town.

But as Orlando grew it syphoned off business from Sanford and it started a downhill roll. Property values decreased and crime rose.

I don’t blame those folks for arming and taking care of themselves. The chief sounds a bit too cautious to me.


34 posted on 07/01/2008 1:44:25 PM PDT by Be_Politically_Erect (If I didn't think he'd get emotionally attached to it, I'd tell O-bigears to kiss my A** !)
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To: Be_Politically_Erect

The criminals will think twice if they know the populace is armed. The problem is that the “community” elects people who work very hard to keep the victims from getting guns. The “community leaders” need the votes of those mommas whose children are committing the crimes. Momma ain’t gonna tolerate her little baby getting capped while robbing a liquor store on parole.


35 posted on 07/01/2008 1:53:22 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Jasper

Let’s not forget that the term “crime ridden neighborhood” is now an official racist term!

let’s all be seeeeensative.


36 posted on 07/01/2008 1:55:27 PM PDT by woollyone (100 rounds per week totals over 5000 rounds in a year. Just thought you'd want to know.)
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To: 3AngelaD

37 posted on 07/01/2008 1:58:31 PM PDT by JZelle
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To: evets

Ya know if someone is not a fan of Blazing Saddles, they might, just might get the wrong impression.


38 posted on 07/01/2008 2:08:10 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: MplsSteve

My grandparents lived there. Among my fondest summer memories are sailing on Lake Monroe and Lake Mary and visiting at the zoo. We attended the Episcopal Church. It was a nice small Southern town.

My uncle was an engineer at Canaveral with Pan Am. My grandparents came to Fl to be closer to him when they retired. They chose Sanford for its quiet small town atmosphere.

I am sorry to hear it is no longer the way I remember it.


39 posted on 07/01/2008 2:11:37 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: browardchad

One conclusion the former residents of housing projects draw in the article is that the “project” seems to follow them.

The researchers seem unwilling to explore what that means.

One thing it means is that there is more to changing social pathologies (crime, illegitimacy, drug use, illiteracy) than simply changing the environment. There is no “geographical cure.” Or, as someone once said, “wherever you go, there you are.”

People make bad choices not because they are poor, but because for whatever reason they don’t have the ability to make better choices. Moving those people to “nicer” homes doesn’t improve their ability to make better choices.

We have all driven down a nice street of townhomes and been able immediately to pick out the Section 8 house. The idea behind this Section 8 utopia was that poor people would see how other non-poor people lived and then naturally want to and be able to emulate them.

Just doesn’t happen.

If it doesn’t happen, then what if anything can Section 8 accomplish except to bring down neighborhoods and destroy communities that, though poor, were functioning at some level?

I lived in a big city once where there was a push to extend the subway to a poor part of town. The idea, of course, was then that poor people could have access to the nice part of town and, again, then naturally want to and be able to figure out how they could make their situation nicer too, including by getting jobs, etc.

The first weekend the new line opened up there was a murder in the parking lot of a very nice high-rise apartment building. When the perps were caught, they told police that one had said, “Hey, let’s go ride that new subway (without paying, of course) over to the rich side of town and steal a car.” Which had turned into a murder, but never mind.


40 posted on 07/01/2008 2:59:26 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: 3AngelaD

I agree. And at some point I think you just have to say: well, let ‘em have it, hope they don’t kill each other too bad.

But taking that element and spreading it out into nice neighborhoods that are not as equipped to deal with it as the ghetto was just stupid.


41 posted on 07/01/2008 3:02:18 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: tatsinfla

This is sad hearing so many people tell about what a trash dump Florida has become.


42 posted on 07/01/2008 3:05:19 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: Clemenza

Noo Yawk craps on the rest of us once again.


43 posted on 07/01/2008 3:11:49 PM PDT by Terpfen (Romney's loss in Florida is STILL a catastrophe. Hello, McCandidate!)
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To: Drew68

The Thug Report is the bomb, yo!


45 posted on 07/01/2008 5:09:17 PM PDT by csvset
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To: fightinJAG
People make bad choices not because they are poor, but because for whatever reason they don’t have the ability to make better choices. Moving those people to “nicer” homes doesn’t improve their ability to make better choices.

And, our society has decided to take the bad consequences that go along with bad choices away, thus, you can make bad choices all day long and still eat, have a roof over your head and probably enough $$ to find drugs.

susie

46 posted on 07/01/2008 5:44:09 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: brytlea

We routinely subsidize the birth of even more children into poverty all the whilte spending billions to try to lift children out of poverty.


47 posted on 07/01/2008 6:06:37 PM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I was on a rougher side of town today where there’s a lone apartment building surrounded by service company shops/warehouses that have always been fenced off with 6’ tall chain link. The apartments have become all Mexican tenants now, and the service companies have topped their fences with concertina wire.


48 posted on 07/01/2008 6:11:06 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Black dogs and bacon bombs.)
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To: csvset

Yeah,it is very revealing but with an obvious racial slant.
Don’t you think the white Missouri serial killer should be on there too?


49 posted on 07/01/2008 6:12:56 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: fightinJAG
It makes no sense, unless of course you're a politician trying to build a constituency.
susie
50 posted on 07/01/2008 6:14:28 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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