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Residents Angered by Group's Distribution of Korans
FOX News ^ | July 2, 2008

Posted on 07/02/2008 10:57:09 AM PDT by bamahead

Some Houston residents are upset after Korans were left on the doorsteps of hundreds of homes in their neighborhood as part of a campaign to educate people about Islam.

Residents of Braes Timbers in southwest Houston began finding the holy books two weeks ago, MyFOXHouston.com reported. The Korans came with a note saying they had been left by the Book of Signs Foundation, which claims to have distributed 30,000 free copies of the texts to residents throughout the city.


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To: Lurker

And how do you feel about our Iraqi allies?


101 posted on 07/03/2008 2:33:37 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 men hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: Biggirl

Correcting myself, it should be “done”.


102 posted on 07/03/2008 6:05:36 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^==^..^=)
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To: ibtheman

...Good way to get rid of a handbook of the Devil.


103 posted on 07/03/2008 6:06:59 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^==^..^=)
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To: Bob J

Bob, the Koran, the “infallible, perfect revelation of Allah”

commands “believers” to

conduct war with (kill) the unbelievers (YOU) until all are converted or pay the jizya (enslaved).

Those who do not follow this command are apostate and subject to death themselves.

Do you understand this?
Three choices:
Conversion
Enslavement
Death


104 posted on 07/03/2008 6:11:30 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Lurker

The “Peace of Islam” is another deception.

The “Peace of Islam” comes when all the world is subject to the Sharia Law.


105 posted on 07/03/2008 6:12:31 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Bob J
And how do you feel about our Iraqi allies?

They're doing what Osama Bin Laden calls "backing the strong horse."

It's nothing more than that.

L

106 posted on 07/03/2008 6:17:40 AM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR, to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: Bob J

There is a difference. Our God is bigger than the book He wrote. While I would not like to see Bibles desecrated, doing so would harm neither my God nor my faith, and I would be under no compunction to do violence to the person who desecrated the Bible.

In fact, my religion would tell me to pray for the individual who did so, not hunt him down and kill him. The Bible is indeed holy to me, but I do not worship it.


107 posted on 07/03/2008 6:33:39 AM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: Lurker

Then you disagree with the efforts of our military in Iraq?


108 posted on 07/03/2008 10:58:40 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 men hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: MrB

You can’t reason people out of a position that they didn’t use reason to get into in the first plac.


109 posted on 07/03/2008 10:59:45 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 men hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: Mom MD

Do you agree the Old Testament supports the stoning of prostitutes?


110 posted on 07/03/2008 11:01:05 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 men hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: Mom MD

Or how about when David and other early Jewish Kings swept through Canaan and other areas attacking every town and village, killing all the people including women, children and the elderly, so they could establish the Jewish nation. The Bible says they were commanded to do this by God.


111 posted on 07/03/2008 11:03:52 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 men hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod; 2ndDivisionVet; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; af_vet_rr; agrace; Aiko; ...
I seem to recall some FReepers getting the vapors when Christian missionaries did the same thing in Israel and somebody made a bonfire out of the giveaway tracts.

FReepMail to be added or removed from this pro-Israel/Judaic/Russian Jewry ping list.

Warning! This is a high-volume ping list.

112 posted on 07/03/2008 11:06:22 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Bob J

No, the Old Testament

RECORDS

the stoning of prostitutes.

Next question?


113 posted on 07/03/2008 11:17:22 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Bob J

Man, do you really need some IN CONTEXT biblical study.

Read some Norman Geisler, he answers your uninformed questions rather handily.


114 posted on 07/03/2008 11:18:29 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Bob J
Or how about when David and other early Jewish Kings swept through Canaan and other areas attacking every town and village, killing all the people including women, children and the elderly, so they could establish the Jewish nation. The Bible says they were commanded to do this by God.

And they were, and they did. I don't question what The Lord My God told His people to do. I'm just glad they did it. Through them came Christ, and through Christ the opportunity for the whole world to know of the Lord.

115 posted on 07/03/2008 11:19:24 AM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Who the hell do I vote for now?))
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To: Alouette

Yes, yes! But those were the Infidels so-called “bibles”, not the Holy Koran of peaceful Islam as transmitted to the Profit MoeHamEd (piss be upon him) while he was marrying an eight year old girl, molesting the odd camel and killing thousands of unbelievers whilst riding a magic flying unicorn! Don’t you see the difference?

BTW, where’s your burqa, you brazen hussy?!! /sarc


116 posted on 07/03/2008 11:19:48 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only the Marxist Obama can!)
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To: Bob J
"Or how about when David and other early Jewish Kings swept through Canaan and other areas attacking every town and village, killing all the people including women, children and the elderly, so they could establish the Jewish nation. The Bible says they were commanded to do this by God."

Did you perhaps mean "Joshua" not David? If God created everything, and He tells you to destroy something in His creation, isn't that His right?

117 posted on 07/03/2008 11:22:29 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only the Marxist Obama can!)
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To: Bob J
Then you disagree with the efforts of our military in Iraq?

I disagree with the way it's being done. We're not being nearly agressive enough.

For every American soldier who is killed, one Iraqi town or city should cease to exist.

Call it the "Lemay Option". Look into how German towns were handled AFTER the German Army surrendered in 1945 and the Werewolves continued their 'resistance'.

L

118 posted on 07/03/2008 12:32:37 PM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR, to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: Red Badger

FREE PIG TOILET PAPER!!!!!!!


119 posted on 07/03/2008 12:49:53 PM PDT by rrrod
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To: bamahead

The Koran / Hadiths on Jews, Christians, Christianity, Jesus Christ, the Gospel,
The Deity of Christ, the Holy Trinity, the Bible (the Book) and Infidels

Note: Because of variances in korans, some verses may be slightly off in different versions. For example, 3:85 is found as 3:84 in certain korans. Also, since the events of 9/11/2001, the University of Michigan has tried to sanitize some of the following passages by changing the word “jihad” to “battle” though the obvious context of the passages remains abundantly clear.


Reference URL’s

http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

“The Women” [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[3.85] “And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.”

[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

The Cattle - [6.146] And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones: this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The Congregation [62.6] Say: O you who are Jews, if you think that you are the favorites of Allah to the exclusion of other people, then invoke death If you are truthful. (PLEASE COMMIT SUICIDE)

The Cow - [2.111] And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.

The Dinner Table - The Dinner Table [5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did.

[5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.

Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193).

“Fight those who do not profess the true faith [ISLAM], till they pay the jiziya with the hand of humility.” - Koran 9: 29

“.... I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.” - Koran 8:12

“Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.” - Koran 9: 73

“When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS] and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.” - Koran 47:4

“The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom....” - Koran 5: 33-34

” Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.” - Koran 9: 29

“....the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.” - Koran 98: 1-8

“Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: ‘Taste the torment of the Conflagration!’” - Koran 22: 19-22, 23

“And burn ye him in the blazing fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits. This was he that would not believe in allah Most high and would not encourage the feeding of the indignant. So no friend hath he here this day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds. “ - Koran 31-37

“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror.” - Koran, 5:33-34)

“In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost.” - Koran, 8:37

According to the New Testament of the Bible, the God of Israel has a Son
- Jesus Christ of Nazareth; but Allah has no son according to the Koran

Therefore the Biblical New Testament Christian God of Israel is not Allah

“They say: Allah has taken a Son (to Himself)! Glory be to Him: he is the Self-sufficient: his is what is in the heavens and what is in the Earth; you have no authority for this; do you say against Allah what you do not know? Say: Those who forge a lie against Allah shall not be successful.” - Koran 10:68-69 [SAYS JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF GOD AND WHOEVER SAYS SO IS A LIAR]

“....the Christians call ‘Christ the Son Of God’. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth.” - Koran 9: 30

The Women - [4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and his Word which he communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and his apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one god; far be It from his glory that he should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector. (CLEARLY STATES THAT JESUS IS **NOT** THE SON OF GOD)

The Immunity - Denial of Deity of Christ and His Messiahship - [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! (MAY ALLAH DESTROY JEWS AND CHRISTIANS)

Say: “Praise be to Allah Who begets no son and has no partner in (His) dominion: nor (needs) he any to protect him from humiliation: Yea magnify him for his greatness and glory!” - Koran 17: 111

Further that he may warn those (also) who say “Allah hath begotten a son”: - Koran 18: 4

It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that he should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When he determines a matter he only says to it “Be” and it is. - Koran 19: 35

They say: “(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!” Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! - Koran 19: 88-89

For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that he should beget a son. - Koran 19: 92

No son did Allah beget nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods) behold each god would have taken away what he had created and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah (he is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him! - Koran 23: 91

he begetteth not nor is he begotten; - Koran 112: 3


Jihad the Best Deed - Hadiths say Muslims will kill all Jews at the Last Hour

Hadith Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar:

Allah’s Apostle said, “You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ “

Hadith Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah’s Apostle said, “The (Final) Hour (last human battle on Earth) will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

Hadith Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 595:
Narrated ‘Aisha:

(the mother of the faithful believers) I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed.” The Prophet said, “The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj Mabrur. “

Hadith Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet was asked, “Which is the best deed?” He said, “To believe in Allah and His Apostle.” He was then asked, “Which is the next (in goodness)?” He said, “To participate in Jihad in Allah’s Cause.” He was then asked, “Which is the next?” He said, “To perform Hajj-Mabrur. “

Hadith Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar: I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!’ “

Hadith Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn ‘Umar reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.”

Hadith Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are): “There is a Jew behind me.”

Hadith Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. ‘Umar reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.”

Hadith Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. ‘Umar reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: “The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.”

Hadith Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.”


Mohammed was about 51 years old when he married a 6-year-old girl. 3 years later when
Mohammed was about 54 years old, he consummated his marriage to the 9-year-old girl

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [5:58:234] Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 235: Narrated ‘Aisha:
That the Prophet said to her, “You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). ‘This is your wife.’ When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, ‘If this is from Allah, it will be done.”

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:64] Narrated ‘Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).


It’s considered OK for a muslim to kill an infidel, even if it’s another muslim

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, “Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah’s Book?” ‘Ali replied, “...we have what is written in this paper as well.” I asked, “What is written in this paper?” He replied, “...the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel.”

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:260] Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn ‘Abbas, who said, “Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, ‘Don’t punish (anybody) with Allah’s Punishment.’ No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’ “

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [6:61:577] Narrated ‘Ali:
I heard the Prophet saying, “In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection.”

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [9:84:64] Narrated ‘Ali:
Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah’s Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.”


120 posted on 07/03/2008 1:05:13 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: bamahead

Smear it in bacon fat and give it back.


121 posted on 07/03/2008 1:06:47 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Bob J

“this site as hate filled and FReepers as bigots.”

Do you even know the definition of the word “bigot”??

Hating a murdering, child-molesting, cult is not being a bigot. Hating murder is a good thing. Hating child-molesters is a good thing. Hating women beaters is a good thing. Hating someone who wants you dead because you refuse to take part in their cult is a good thing.

You can support that murdering cult all you want but don’t dare tell the rest of us we must submit to your way of thinking. This is America, not the ignorant and illiterate Middle East.


122 posted on 07/03/2008 1:14:06 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: bamahead

So . . . uhhhh . . . doing some . . .

interesting things . . . as a group, with clown masks . . . and maybe all the family dogs . . . with some pages from some books . . . could get interesting quick.


123 posted on 07/03/2008 2:44:47 PM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147)
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To: Alouette

Burning is inexcuseable (haven’t read the thread, won’t be surprised if it’s advocated), but for those who advocate the unwanted distribution of the New Testament, consistancy requires support for distribution of the Koran


124 posted on 07/03/2008 3:25:35 PM PDT by SJackson (If we win Iowa, then we can move to the world as it should be, Michelle O)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If God created everything, and He tells you to destroy something in His creation, isn't that His right?

So then the real problem with Muslim extremists is not with their methods, but rather that they aren't getting their orders from the right Source?

125 posted on 07/03/2008 4:01:27 PM PDT by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: SJackson
consistancy requires support for distribution of the Koran

Thus far that's what I've read on this thread. Plenty of creative ideas for using the Korans, but no one suggesting that we prohibit their distribution.

126 posted on 07/03/2008 4:02:50 PM PDT by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
"This is a very peaceful way of conveying a message."

As opposed to unpeaceful ways? Odd statement.


It's a very telling statement.

This is a very peaceful way for us to convey a message. There are other ways, less peaceful, we can use to get that message out too.

This was a threat.
127 posted on 07/03/2008 4:06:11 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg ("Shut the hell up, New York Times, you sanctimonious whining jerks!" - Craig Ferguson)
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To: Tamar1973

I was thinking the same thing. Just leaving them on doorsteps is disrespectful. I have a hard time believeing that muslim did that.

This is why it makes people nervos, Islamists believe that the book actually becomes allah...it has a dual identity. So, when it is desecrated, they have the right to kill the desecrator...actually, the duty to do so.

When people throw them away, will this be used as an excuse for violence? They killed people over a cartoon, what about a koran dumped in the trash can?


128 posted on 07/03/2008 5:04:13 PM PDT by tuckrdout (The good man wins his case by careful argument; the evil-minded only wants to fight. Prov. 13:2)
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To: Mom MD

That’s the difference.

Have you ever read the story of Sundar Singh? His burning the Bible page by page, actually led to his conversion! The purpose of the Bible is to lead us to Jesus Christ. The Bible doesn’t save us. Church doesn’t save us...only Jesus Christ can save us.

I remember I had to memorise this saying as a kid:

“I am my neighbor’s Bible, He reads me when we meet;
Today he reads me in my home, Tomorrow in the street.
He may be relative or friend, Or slight acquaintance be;
He may not even know my name, Yet he is reading me.”

Personally, I could never insult my Lord and all He has done for me, by keeping this book, or reading it. I think that I might walk it down to their headquarters, thank them for the gift, give it back, and explain this fact to them as to why I could not keep the book.

What a great witnessing opportunity for Christians! They are coming right to our doors! We don’t need to travel overseas to be a missionary.


129 posted on 07/03/2008 5:38:33 PM PDT by tuckrdout (The good man wins his case by careful argument; the evil-minded only wants to fight. Prov. 13:2)
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To: MrB

No, the Bible clearly calls for stoning sinners. Don’t you see the similarity of this question to the religious leaders bringing the adulteress to Jesus, and asking him if she should be stoned?!

What was it Jesus said, I don’t have the exact quote, but he did tell us that what happened to him, would happen to those that followed him! Wow, this is a clear proof that his words are true.

Was God harsh? Yes. He tells us clearly to fear Him!

But, think about why this happened in the old Testament, and why we do not do these things now. In the old Testament, there was no possibility of regenerate souls. People lost in sin, were not going to change in this life. They couldn’t, because Jesus Christ had not risen from the dead. Regeneration was not possible yet, so God ordered that the wickedness be wiped out; like cutting out cancer.It was the only way at the time.

We do not do this now, because the Holy Spirit is alive in the world and made avalible to everyone through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Now, where there is life, there is hope of salvation, from our old sinful nature. Through Jesus Christ our heart and souls can be made new again. Washed clean by the blood of Christ, and made into a new person!

I have to tell you something exciting for me. I have been praying about this question for some time now. James 1:5 tells us that God will give us wisdom that we lack, so I knew I would have an answer to this question of harsh killing in the Old Testament. Honestly, this bothered me greatly. I have a daughter who is a mentally ill drug addict. She does many vile things. Every manner of sin described in the Book! The old Testament would have me take her into the street and stone her myself! I just could not reconsile this in my heart, with a Loving God, who had forgiven so much in me.

I didn’t know the answer until I started to type this, right now!


130 posted on 07/03/2008 5:57:05 PM PDT by tuckrdout (The good man wins his case by careful argument; the evil-minded only wants to fight. Prov. 13:2)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

And the question must be asked, “what is the message?”


131 posted on 07/03/2008 6:12:05 PM PDT by tuckrdout (The good man wins his case by careful argument; the evil-minded only wants to fight. Prov. 13:2)
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To: tuckrdout

The message is simple, accept mohammedanism or the next time we leave something you won’t like it.

Otherwise they wouldn’t have been sneaking around and then disappearing without a word. Every religious groups I’ve had interactions with, jehovas witnesses, Jews, Catholics, wiccans who chose to share their beliefs did it face to face and in the open.

Not like gangsters leaving a warning to pay protection or get your legs broken.


132 posted on 07/03/2008 6:37:58 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg ("Shut the hell up, New York Times, you sanctimonious whining jerks!" - Craig Ferguson)
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To: tuckrdout

Also, in the OT times, there were populations that were entirely wicked. God ordered their destruction to keep the Jewish bloodlines separate in order that Christ could be born.
God did not destroy a society until it was thoroughly evil and beyond hope. Remember the Israelites wandered in the desert for 40 more years in part because of their sin, but also because the wickedness in the lands they were to conquer was not complete yet

God states he takes no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked, but wants all to be saved.


133 posted on 07/03/2008 6:39:19 PM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: Mom MD

Hate to nitpick, but I can not help myself....the fact is that Jesus’ bloodline is not entirely Jewish. Ruth was a moabite. She married Boaz, who happened to be the son of Rahab the (former) prostitute, who had lived in Jerico and wasn’t Jewish either....We know that Boaz and Ruth were the great grandparents of King David.

God can take our mistakes and make something beautiful out of them. His line shows this. It shows his mercy and his love, and his forgiveness.


134 posted on 07/03/2008 7:53:25 PM PDT by tuckrdout (The good man wins his case by careful argument; the evil-minded only wants to fight. Prov. 13:2)
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To: EarthBound

“I don’t question what The Lord My God told His people to do. I’m just glad they did it”

And militant islamics are doing what they believe God told them to do.

And the irony is completely lost on you.


135 posted on 07/03/2008 10:28:43 PM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 men hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“If God created everything, and He tells you to destroy something in His creation, isn’t that His right?’

And this is how islamics justify what they do.

And the irony rolls on...


136 posted on 07/03/2008 10:30:42 PM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 men hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: Lurker

If you hold muslims, all muslims, in such low regard, then you must four square against American boys and girls dying in that country.


137 posted on 07/03/2008 10:32:00 PM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 men hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: Bob J
you hold muslims, all muslims, in such low regard, then you must four square against American boys and girls dying in that country

Such a goofy remark doesn't even merit a response.

L

138 posted on 07/03/2008 10:34:11 PM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR, to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: CodeToad

“Hating a murdering, child-molesting, cult is not being a bigot. Hating murder is a good thing. Hating child-molesters is a good thing. Hating women beaters is a good thing. Hating someone who wants you dead because you refuse to take part in their cult is a good thing.”

“This is America, not the ignorant and illiterate Middle East.”

All evidence to the contrary.


139 posted on 07/03/2008 10:34:11 PM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 men hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: Lurker

“Such a goofy remark doesn’t even merit a response.”

Because you don’t have one. You’re completely stumped in your inconsistency.


140 posted on 07/03/2008 10:36:10 PM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 men hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: Bob J; Lurker

As a female, I’d’ have to say that, yes, Bob, pretty much every muslim wants to enslave me. When I’d refuse to veil, they’d want to kill me.


141 posted on 07/03/2008 11:42:24 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: SJackson

The only reason not to burn whatever is because of a burn ban.

Books are not that sacred. The problem with “book burning” is the attempt to suppress information that others might seek. There’s no reason for me not to throw a copy of a book that I find distasteful in the trash or on the fire, if I own that copy.

We had a book of mormon that we used for some study or the other over the years. I finally threw it out because I just couldn’t bear to have in on the shelf. This, in a house with wall-to-wall books and several books on the other “Gospels,” that we also used for study.


142 posted on 07/03/2008 11:50:46 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: F15Eagle
BLACKS MENTIONED IN THE KORAN Whoever says Muhammad was black must be killed…(Ash‑Shifa, Tr. Aisha Abdarrahman, 2004) Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed. (ibid, p.375) In one Hadith, Mohammed referred to Blacks as Raisn Heads (Sahih Al Bukhary vol. 1, no. 662 and vol. 9, no. 256), and as pug nosed slaves in Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47. Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73
143 posted on 07/03/2008 11:59:14 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: CodeToad

BRAVO!!!!!


144 posted on 07/04/2008 12:00:49 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: Bob J
If you hold muslims, all muslims, in such low regard, then you must four square against American boys and girls dying in that country.

I'm pretty much against American service persons dying ANYWHERE, Bob.

Are you in favor of them dying?

(See how that works?)

Actually I'm completely in favor of them being anywhere where there are lots of muzzies to whack.

L

145 posted on 07/04/2008 6:35:27 AM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR, to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: Bob J

“All evidence to the contrary.”

You are free to leave and go to one of those Muslim countries. Coming here to a pro-American website and running this country down using lies and propaganda is nothing but another cowardly attack just as the Muslims always use.


146 posted on 07/04/2008 9:14:09 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Lurker

“Actually I’m completely in favor of them being anywhere where there are lots of muzzies to whack.”

LOL! and ditto! Every dead muzzie means one less possibility of a child being used as a suicide bomber, one less woman stoned to death for having been raped, one less innocent life lost to their cowardly attacks, etc., etc., etc.


147 posted on 07/04/2008 9:16:10 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: patriot08

Thanks. It is about time we tell these cult loving idiots to take a hike!


148 posted on 07/04/2008 9:17:08 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: hocndoc

Do you actually know any muslims? I do and can assure you that they neither want to enslave you nor kill you for not wearing a veil.

Just like many Christians they understand a lot of what was written 1500 years ago has to be interpreted in a modern light. Just like some Christians, they have their fundementalists who believe every word in their Holy Book must be taken literally even if that means killing.

Christianity, after a similar long period of torturing and killing pagans, witches and non-believers who would not convert, went through an agonizing reappraisal and dragged themselves into 20th century thinking and values.

Islam is going through that now (better late then never I guess). We cannot go to war with 1 billion people, nor should we try. We should however, do what we can to help hasten their own reappraisal by supporting the reformers and opposing the hardliners.

I find it pretty funny that Christians who demand respect for their religion and beliefs seem to be the first to denigrate others. Those who do this are neither being Christian nor following Christ’s teachings who said the 11 th commandment was to love others as you love yourself.

IMO that kind of hypocrisy will get you a one way ticket to hell no matter how holy or devout one thinks they are.


149 posted on 07/04/2008 11:41:31 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 men hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: Lurker

You’re avoiding the question because you don’t have an answer that won’t make you look like a hypocrite.

You cannot hold these opinions of muslims and islam that you’ve demonstrated here and also support our military action in Iraq to defend and assist them.

So let’s make it as easy and simple for you as possible.

Knowing that you detest and hate ALL muslims and islam, do you then also object to the US being in Iraq to help the Iraqi muslim people?


150 posted on 07/04/2008 11:45:50 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 men hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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