Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)

Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

[SE Mom]

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

[AuH2ORepublican]

LOL

[null and void]

He never divorced his first wife. That is legally true.

So? Under sharia law he can legally have multiple wives.

What's that?

Barrak Husein Obama says he WASN'T born a muslim???

*nevermind*

[California74]

Who would you rather lose to? Hillary or Obama?

Who says we're gonna lose?

[eaglestar]

Could this be the October surprise???

[Anti-Bubba182]

That is good. It is a long shot but worth trying.

[txhurl]

Like in Pelican's Brief?

[ErnBatavia]

See my 198...I'm with ya on this. Damned stupid to let these hysterical threads see hundreds of posts, let alone get beyond a page one zot.

Those that are running this board need to step back and bitchslap themselves.

[fanfan]

So? Under sharia law he can legally have multiple wives.

I don't think they were practising Sharia Law in Hawaii, in 1961.

[nobama08]

What proof of citizenship do presidential candiates have to provide to run? I have searched and been unable to find the answer.

[null and void]

Mine says “DATE RECEIVED BY LOCAL REGISTRAR”. As opposed to “accepted” (Why it’s in all caps in the original, I couldn’t say).

[Gondring]

What is it that the obamination doesn't want us to see?

...that his parents weren't married, I suspect.

[Red Steel]

And then, after the storm has been whipped up, he can pull out the real one ("'scuze me while I whip this out!" just went through my head!) and say, "These people are nuts! I'm so persecuted!"

Except the Obama campaign has embraced the Jay McKinnon forged Obama birth certificate as genuine. Whose nuts?

[library user]

You’re missing the point. It doesn’t even have to be about whether or not Obama is eligible for President or not now; it’s about the fraud of having that doctored thing on his web site. Al Capone once got busted for tax evasion, ya know.

[null and void]

I'm beginning to think that may be it since other explanations are just not persuasive.

Yeah. Or it's something so unexpected that we aren't quite clever enough to guess it.

[Calpernia]

Sounds like the precedent for the mother of all amnesties.

[txhurl]

I just don’t take this too seriously. I’d love for it to be true, but it sounds more like a setup. And it’s a false trail to throw us off his liberal agenda. Once they prove he was born in the US...then they’ll say what will they attack and lie about next?

But the MSM has this in deep, deep freeze. Sure, they follow it, but it will NEVER see the light of day. It therefore cannot be attributed to anyone, since it's not 'real'.

[CindyDawg]

Why? If there is anything to this...if she lets Conservatives carry the water then she can waltz in squeaky clean, and all the Obama fans anger can be directed towards those “mean” Republicans.

[fanfan]

Nice find.

[null and void]

But but but anywhere a muslim has ever stepped is subject to sharia law (to hear them tell it anyway!)

[AmericaUnited]

You were born in HI?

[pepperhead]

He was born again. According to him after some people marched across a bridge in Selma his parents got together and had him.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r-XG_VJZDw

[maine-iac7]

I keep stating that. All known valid certificates say "Date ACCEPTED by STATE Registrar", but not Obama's!!!

then, remember, there's the seal - rather, the lack of a seal. NO certification of birth leaves a city hall, or would be valid, without the embossed seal of said city - clearly visible from both sides...

There is no seal......

[AuH2ORepublican]

“It doesn’t matter where Obama was born. If his mother was a US citizen, then he is. Even if he was born in Cuba or North Korea.”

“To be President one has to be a “native-born citizen” If Obama’s Mama gave birth to him in another country then that would make him a “citizen at birth” but not a “native-born citizen” It’s worth knowing since its Constitutional and would set precedent that the Libs would love.”

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Actually, you’re both wrong. Under federal law at the time of Obama’s birth (and not amended until 1986), a person born outside of the U.S. or territories that had one U.S. citizen parent and one non-citizen parent was a U.S. citizen at birth only if said U.S. citizen parent had resided in the U.S. (including its territories) for 10 years, with at least 5 years coming after the age of 14. Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen, and his mother was only 18 at the time (so at the time of Obama’s birth she couldn’t have lived in the U.S. for 5 years after the age of 14), so Obama would not be a U.S. citizen at birth had he been born in a foreign country (be it Kenya, the Philippines or what have you). However, if a person born outside the U.S. qualified for U.S. citizenship at birth (there are different rules for cases in which both parents are citizens, one is a citizen and the other is a U.S. “national” (like American Samoans), and one is a citizen and the other an alien), then he or she would be a “natural-born citizen” for purposes of Article II, sec. 1, cl. 5 of the Constitution and thus qualify for the office of the president (assuming, of course, that at the time such person is sworn in as president he or she is at least 35 years old and had resided within the U.S. for at least 14 years).

[maine-iac7]

The only thing I can think of that he wouldn’t want us to see is that maybe he wasn’t born Barrack Husein Obama but Barry Dunham.

And if it was, as has been rumored, Barry Dunham on the real BC...the city clerks office wouldn't be able to locate one for Barack H.....

tangled webs we weave

[null and void]

No. (But I did leave Hawai'i before it became a state).

Just saying that your statement:

I keep stating that. All known valid certificates say "Date ACCEPTED by STATE Registrar"

Conflicts with my known valid certificate.

[AuH2ORepublican]

“Whose nuts?”

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Frankly, I don’t care to see McKinnon’s or Obama’s nuts.

(I think you meant to say “Who’s nuts?” : )

[Anti-Bubba182]

The Constitution says:

"..No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President;.."

If there is a serious question they should provide proof.

[xDGx]

Exactly.

Either he’s hiding something or using same as bait for later use. Personally I suspect there is something there, as defusing it with an ‘official’ copy would have been done a long time ago (not photoshopped hacks on loosely connected websites)

I’d like to see the real birth certificate and I’d also like to know what he got on his LSAT.

[Enchante]

Yeah but if he was not born in Hawaii and has been lying about it that greatly undermines his credibility and judgment. Of course, if he has never actually said “I was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961” or whatever, then maybe this is all just a set-up as some of us fear.

There are plenty of real policy weaknesses, lies, flip-flops, and far-left views & associations that we should focus on most. With that I do agree. But I think it is relevant and important to know whether Obama is a liar or worse about his origins.

[California74]

I think it might be.

I don’t know - say it is confirmed in October that Obama is not a valid candidate. What happens then? Does Hillary automatically become the dem’s nominee? Would it stall the November election? Hmmm.... or wait until AFTER the election in November. If Obama wins, pull the “but he’s not a citizen” card we have now.. wait - would Obama’s VP choice become president then (before Obama sworn in), or would McCain become president or.... oh, my brain hurts!

[SilvieWaldorfMD]

Frankly, I don’t care to see McKinnon’s or Obama’s nuts. (I think you meant to say “Who’s nuts?” : )

"OH BE-HAVE!"

[fanfan]

Or not.

[rawhide]

Released on a Thursday before a long 3 day weekend. Hoping to bury the story I guess?

[woofie]

Its a good thing this is out in the open now so that there will be time at the convention to correct their mistake and elect Hillary

[Red Steel]

Frankly, I don’t care to see McKinnon’s or Obama’s nuts.

(I think you meant to say “Who’s nuts?” : )

There's another joke in there...I'll leave it alone. LoL!

[txhurl]

Some freepers thought they detected a seal in microscopy, but nowhere near enough to establish WHAT seal. Not even any letters or ensignias. Just a hundred or so refractory pixels in what should be 50 thousand pixels on raised cotton paper.

I think a seal is something you can see and feel, not something you have to use forensics to establish.

[SilvieWaldorfMD]

SOMEONE NEEDS TO CALL THE AUSTIN HILL RADIO SHOW RIGHT NOW AND DISCUSS THIS.... HE’S TALKING ABOUT OBAMA’S JUDGMENT AND WHETHER WE SHOULD TRUST HIM — UNTIL 10 PM ET TONIGHT... HE’S AT WMAL IN WASHINGTON, DC

888 630 9625

SOMEONE CALL NOW!!!!!!!

[True Republican Patriot]

Dog Gone, Dog Gone!

[AuH2ORepublican]

See post #223. If Obama was born outside the U.S., he wasn’t a citizen at birth (because his one citizen parent, his mother, hadn’t lived in the U.S. for 5 years after the age of 14) and thus wouldn’t qualify for the presidency. This is about more than just his credibility and judgment (not that those things aren’t important as well).

[maine-iac7]

nursery school / daycare records

Didn't someone from his schooldays say he was enrolled as Barry Dunham?

I wonder if he was still "Barry Dunham" while living with his white grandparents? Was he so enrolled then?

He lived in Honolulu with his maternal grandparents while attending Punahou School from the fifth grade in 1971 until his graduation from high school in 1979. (Wouldn't this be public record? Where are our investigative reporters?)

Didn't his half sister, from his mother's marriage to Lolo Soetoro say that he was enrolled = in Jakarta? - as Barry Soetoro?

These are the things that should be tracked down. That would point to his name not being Barrack Hussein O - on the BC. and maybe not for many years.

That could mean that he CHOOSE, himself, to take on the very Muslim names - maybe when he first went to Kenya on his quest to become "black enough" ...

[brityank]

OK; I've seen a lot of the bull that gets passed along as being valid by folks that should know better, so I dug out some info from my brother and then hit the American Consular Site at Hamilton, Bermuda for verification.

A child born outside the United States or one of its outlying possessions to U.S. citizen parent(s) and your U.S. citizen parent(s) meets the * physical presence requirements.

* Physical Presence

This is the actual time when the parent was physically present in the United States, not simply as a resident. This means that any travel outside the United States, including vacation, should be excluded. Evidence or proof of physical presence/residence is required. This can be demonstrated by providing documents such as school transcripts, W2 (tax returns). The consular officer will determine whether or not you have met the requirements and demonstrated adequate physical presence.

Note: Any periods of time spent overseas with the United States Military/Government etc. may be computed as physical presence in the United States for transmission of citizenship purposes. Time spent as a dependent of a United States Military/Government employee may also be computed as physical presence. Military records may be requested.

To claim the child under US Laws, you not only need to provide parental citizenship, but also parental residency compliance. If Obama's Mother did not maintain her residency then there are other hoops for them to jump through that allows him to be a Naturalized Citizen, and unqualified for the Presidency.

[fhayek]

No document that BHO could produce would prove to me that he his NOT anti-American.

[dubie]

hrm...

[proudtobeanamerican1]

Shouldn’t someone report abuse for your troll post?

[fanfan]

Ahh, interesting.

Thanks for posting that.

This is like separating the chaffe from the wheat.

[P-Marlowe]

Let us not forget that the US Code does not define the Constitution. The Constitution defines itself in accordance with the intentions of the framers.

I am certain that the founders wanted to ensure that the president of the United States did not have mixed loyalties and hence the requirement of being a Natural Born Citizen would imply that the person must be born under the sovereign jurisdiction of the United States of America. I am not certain that simply because Obama's mother was a United States Citizen, that makes any child she bears while domiciled outside the United States a "Natural Born Citizen".

The fact that he has not provided a copy of his actual birth certificate suggests to me that he was not born in the United States. Even if that were irrelevant to his constitutional qualifications, it would certainly be relevant to the electorate in deciding whether or not to elect him.

Obama needs to come clean on this one.

[PhatHead]

It doesn't matter where Obama was born. If his mother was a US citizen, then he is.

No, by law, that is not correct. It may seem like a technicality, I know, since his mother was a US citizen, and under today's law, he would be a natural-born citizen. But the law in 1961 was different, and was not without reason. Think of it - his father was a citizen of Kenya and his mother was (by law at the time) a minor. If she gave birth to him in his father's homeland, he is not a natural born US Citizen, and is not qualified to serve as President.

If all those things are true, this will be a very strange and tumultuous election year. Had the forged birth certificate only been posted on Kos, Obama could still ignore all of this, but it was posted on his own site, as well, so it is a real scandal.

Look, DG, I think a lot of the commentary on some of these threads can get a little over-wrought at times, too, but in reality, this issue is very much under the radar in the MSM. From my perspective, it has not been overwhelming the election threads on FR, either.

This new admission, I believe, forces the Obama campaign to respond in some way. If their only response is simply to remove the fake BC, the issue grows. If they respond with a legitimate birth certificate, it's over.

Obama's move.

[txhurl]

Hey, whoa. Dog Gone’s an oldtimer, who supplies us with Oil/Gas inside stuff.

[kittymyrib]

Very interesting turn of events. One would think that possibly the vaunted news outlets...the New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times and the TV nets...would be interested in ferreting out the truth concerning Barry Hussein’s questionable birth certificate. ****(Crickets chirping)

[SilvieWaldorfMD]

****(Crickets chirping)

LOL!