Skip to comments.Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.
The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.
The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.
Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.
McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.
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I hate to say this, but the mentality of the liberals today...
They will riot if Hillary gets the nomination
they will riot if he loses the election
they will riot if he WINS the election
they will riot on innauguration day
and they will riot when Police crack down on the rioters
the transition from 2008 to 2009 will be riots.
count on it.
However, the law is the law unless a person is a liberal.
Laws are written by liberal legislators to keep conservatives in line.
Liberals are above the law.
It's a Dan Rather moment thing don't cha know.
I think that *this* is the crux of the matter. I don't doubt that he was born in Hawaii. I think that his BC could validate the "Obama is a Muslim" arguments that he's trying so hard to beat back. There goes the Jewish vote along with a lot of 9-11 traumatized Americans.
Huh? It is on the their smears page.
The law you are quoting applies only to births OUTSIDE THE USA! Are you saying that he was born outside the USA?
Rather than feeding the smoke and silliness, make it clear and your rep will rise considerably.
What if he is elected and then it is revealed that he was born in Kenya?
Does he resign?
The dims and nation 'forgive' him and shrug?
He refuses to resign and a coup follows?
Could get interesting these next 6 months.
Since when did a little fraud between friends matter to the DNC?
you must have missed a LOT of posts and threads on this
Yes, many people are asking just that: where were you born?
Family accounts from different sources say he was born in Kenya
From Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition: “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.”
Question in regards to this from a poster on the site:
3. I am in the U.S. Army, a natural born citizen, and my wife is a U.S. Citizen, natural born. If my son is born in Germany (Military hospital or not), and has a U.S. Consular Report of Birth Abroad, and a German birth certificate can he become President of the United States?
Yes, since your son was born of citizens temporarily residing abroad, as in the military service, then he may become eligible to be president. Of course he must still “have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
Two cases in point: (1) George Romney of Michigan who ran for president in 1968. Mr. Romney was born in a Mormon community in Chihuahua, Mexico. His parents were U.S. citizens so he was a natural born citizen. (2) John McCain of Arizona was a candidate in 2000. McCain was born in Panama where his father was stationed in the service, so he would also be “natural born.”
Selling a forgery or using a forgery for some legal purpose are “crimes”. Forging a document is rarely a crime unless that document is MONEY!! (or bearer bonds, or a check).
It is presumed that individuals do not have sufficient information to be able to determine their own "race".
Oh, yeah, I did that BEFORE the law said anything about it. In another license bureau I could have put in “Martian” and they’d have accepted it.
This all could well prove counterproductive. If Hussein was born in Kenya and therefore NOT eligible, it will only establish the precedent that that particular law and constitutional clause is no longer operant. He will not be denied his run nor election even if it proves out that he is actually an adopted Kenyan foundling. Unless the Clintons spring it.If they do it then they will already have their ducks properly arrayed and it just might be able to blow away this particular house of cards.
Moslems ALL give their kids MOSLEM NAMES. There are no exceptions. It just so happens that the fellows who wrote the Koran (not their belief, mine) were all a bunch of Arabs (except for a few stray Persians) and had Arab names. Those Arab names turned into Moslem names, and voila, having an Arab name means absolutely nothing when it comes to ethnicity!
The law assumes the child is NOT a citizen of the US. Else there'd be no need to add the child to a visa since US citizens don't need a visa to be inside the US.
Foreign rules regarding Americans who give birth abroad are comparable.
There are also "status of forces" agreements in many countries and military personnel may be governed differently (regarding the visa deal).
Just quickly looking through the State Department's rules, it doesn't say children have to have a passport (when accompanied by a parent or guardian).
We are speaking of state documents, and they change with a frequency defying human imagination.
Just exactly where did you get the idea that any of these forms were FEDERAL?
Answered many times before ~ you really can “just go get” somebody’s BC. What you probably can’t get is a photo-copy of the original hospital record where all the stuff is taken down by a nurse from the parent(s) and/or other family members to file with the local authorities who then put it on file.
They had no trouble being recognized under the law as American citizens.
There are international treaties that regularize this stuff, as well as status of forces agreements, and US laws governing the situation. Those laws may well vary by the part of the world involved.
Can you dig up that link please? I remember reading it here about 2 weeks ago, but can't find it now. When I finally bothered to look at the high res KOS image this morning, the hatch lines line up in between the letters and inside holes in the letters. The image was certainly altered in photoshop, but I'm not sure if the lettering was created in PS. It could have been, I don't know enough about PS, but it would have had to be with a feature that allows transparent lettering over existing hatch lines.
And Travis, can YOU produce a US BC? (And I don’t mean some forgery signed by the Secretary of State - just a real, US BC).
Could it be done by cutting and pasting hatch patterns from a blank area of the document? I am not a photoshop user, but I tried that in paint and the cut/paste was not terrible, although probably detectable somehow.
That's why all the Moslems have Arab names.
“And did Hussein legally change his name birth name in college from Barry Soetoro to B Hussein Obama? “
If Hussein Obama legally changed his name (from) Soetoro, how in the world, could his BC say ... Obama?
One of the popular combinations in this neighborhood is "Mohammad Omar", or "Omar Mohammad". Hussein shows up more often as a surname though.
It may have at the time but the law was changed subsequently. All similarly situated persons benefit ~ that’s usually the course of such things in this country.
But, is a passport application subject to a freedom of information request?
In 1961 people were still free to tell the records nurse anything they wished regarding race. Besides, this was Hawaii and the use of "black" would be meaningless.
We didn't standardize around the "black, non-Hispanic white, other, etc." business until the 70s in fact. That's also when the law changed to require someone other than the respondent fill out the "race" part.
You may be correct about being counterproductive. At this point though- there are truly legitimate questions posed as to the authenticity of the bc.
I’ve received quite a bit of heat for posting this thread- and while I’m sympathetic to freepers concerns that we’re a) making fools of ourselves and by association, Free Republic, and b) focusing on the wrong issues, I’m not sure what the correct course might be.
This is a tough story because several things are happening simultaneously. First comes the apparent bc on Kos, followed by its appearance on Obama’s website. Then different factions on both sides begin to examine it for authenticity.
Several respected blogs, including National Review’s Campaign Spot ask questions about the bc. Meanwhile- Obama begins to change course and rhetoric on several KEY liberal issues- infuriating many in his own base. More research into the bc is done, raising more questions. Obama CONTINUES to move center right in his speeches and policies. National Review and the others go silent on the bc issue- while the blogs continue digging. Interwoven are readers on all sides who are just now taking a look at the issue and are unaware of all the work done previously- questions that have been asked and answered numerous times are raised over and over. To say nothing of our individual and collective thoughts of Obama in the first place.
The question becomes- do “we” let it drop? As presented to date, does Obama’s bc on his own website pass muster? Is it surprising given Obama’s recent about face on key issues that other questions about his background are seen as legitimate?
It’s confusing as hell.
Remember, his babydaddy was a Harvard Law graduate!
Might have even been some scholarship money come along with that status.
I think the American people don’t want to know if Oprah’s Obama actually qualifies to run for president. They are so wrapped up in him that they would allow him to serve even if he flunks the citizenship test. Have you noticed that even MT is swinging toward this socialist with rabid followers?
His relatives are Moslems. They lie a lot.
I don’t see them “certifying” that’s the document, though we all know that’s the STRONG implication. Perhaps an earlier version of the page made the case more forcefully? I don’t recall and didn’t do a save of it.
The candidate can’t check everything on the website personally, but this is such a major issue that it doesn’t speak well to a candidate’s ability to lead if he claims no responsibility for the webpage,
Isrealinsider wrote, “Barack Obama has claimed in writing to have a valid printed document: In the first chapter of his book Dreams From My Father, describing his origins, he wrote about finding a local Hawaiian newspaper article about his Kenyan father: “I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school.”
If the BC he purports to be the original on his website, can someone tell me why it has the date stamp of June 8, 2007 bleeding through from the reverse? Also, was his birth certificate also “folded away” as was the article he refers to?
Oh stop playing some ridiculous semantic word game. They are claiming the doc as being real, genuine, legitimate, certifying as valid, etc., etc.
I recommend looking at Polarik's work.
Again, it was a forged "Certification of Live Birth," which is different from a birth certificate. Let's not overlook that point.
I haven’t seen it claimed anywhere the bc on Obama’s website is a copy (or original) of the one he found folded away with the other doc’s he mentions.
Nowhere have I read... Here is the bc mentioned in the book...or words to that effect.
That was resolved weeks ago ~ the terminology means NOTHING! States use all sorts of names for these things.
You are really lucky I didn’t go to that other license bureau, but I could have ~ and you’d be in more trouble than that.
But it's stupid, it makes FR look stupid, and if that's fine with everyone, keep it up.
Given what you write, what would be the purpose, then, of providing a fake birth certificate, assuming that's what's happened? And what is the logic behind Obama's continued refusal to provide the original?
I for one am not embarrassed, merely intrigued. Some questions remain, and answers should be expected.
And is an image a “document”?
It implies it, but doesn't say it.
The Obama campaign is playing this well. They know the value of holding things in reserve.
Did you notice that both Obama,s fake BC and the example BC that were posted have the exact same time of birth?
What do you think the odds of that are?