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Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

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To: peeps36

I hate to say this, but the mentality of the liberals today...

They will riot if Hillary gets the nomination

they will riot if he loses the election

they will riot if he WINS the election

they will riot on innauguration day

and they will riot when Police crack down on the rioters

the transition from 2008 to 2009 will be riots.

count on it.


601 posted on 07/04/2008 3:31:21 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: AuntB
I would rather not lose this next election at all.

However, the law is the law unless a person is a liberal.

Laws are written by liberal legislators to keep conservatives in line.

Liberals are above the law.

It's a Dan Rather moment thing don't cha know.

602 posted on 07/04/2008 3:37:43 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMATIZATION - A Liberals Religion ABORTION - The ultimate form of Liberal Child Abuse.)
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To: hollister23
And did Hussein legally change his name birth name in college from Barry Soetoro to B Hussein Obama? If so, why? Did he have some kind of conversion that made him want to suddenly go by his muslim name? And is it true that shortly after legally changing his name while in college, he traveled to Karachi, Pakistan for 3 weeks? How old was he? Early 20's? Why is dude traveling to Pakistan after changing his name, which reflected his muslim heritage? Muhammed Ali and Kareem Abdul Jabar both changed their names to reflect their new found muslim religion.

I think that *this* is the crux of the matter. I don't doubt that he was born in Hawaii. I think that his BC could validate the "Obama is a Muslim" arguments that he's trying so hard to beat back. There goes the Jewish vote along with a lot of 9-11 traumatized Americans.

603 posted on 07/04/2008 3:38:35 AM PDT by Marie (Why is it that some people believe everything that happens is the will of G-d - except Israel?)
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To: Gondring
Please send me the link and/or screen shot you have of that. How long did they leave it up?

Huh? It is on the their smears page.

604 posted on 07/04/2008 3:48:30 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: chaosagent

The law you are quoting applies only to births OUTSIDE THE USA! Are you saying that he was born outside the USA?


605 posted on 07/04/2008 3:48:57 AM PDT by OldEagle
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To: OldEagle

btt


606 posted on 07/04/2008 4:02:50 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: David
You have made several interesting posts.. but provide no links or references for the statements. With links and references, these are bombshells. Without, its just so much smoke. Please go back and provide links and references for all of your interesting posts. Do it as a separate thread if you like.. recapping this thread in some sort of order.. by way of showing the trail that opens the question whether Obama was born in Hawaii.

Rather than feeding the smoke and silliness, make it clear and your rep will rise considerably.

607 posted on 07/04/2008 4:15:04 AM PDT by dalight
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To: Travis McGee
What if his true BC was issued in Kenya or elsewhere, possibly with a different name than BHO on it?

What if he is elected and then it is revealed that he was born in Kenya?

Does he resign?
The dims and nation 'forgive' him and shrug?
He refuses to resign and a coup follows?

Could get interesting these next 6 months.

608 posted on 07/04/2008 4:17:32 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: SE Mom
I hardly think the DNC would openly go along with that:)

Since when did a little fraud between friends matter to the DNC?

609 posted on 07/04/2008 4:20:02 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (Election 2008 - American Idol except no one can sing.)
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To: OldEagle

you must have missed a LOT of posts and threads on this

Yes, many people are asking just that: where were you born?

Family accounts from different sources say he was born in Kenya


610 posted on 07/04/2008 4:34:49 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: gswilder

bttt


611 posted on 07/04/2008 4:42:43 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

612 posted on 07/04/2008 4:45:02 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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place mark


613 posted on 07/04/2008 4:53:06 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (NYT - The Official Razor of "John's Long Mustache".)
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To: Dog Gone

From Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition: “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.”

Question in regards to this from a poster on the site:

3. I am in the U.S. Army, a natural born citizen, and my wife is a U.S. Citizen, natural born. If my son is born in Germany (Military hospital or not), and has a U.S. Consular Report of Birth Abroad, and a German birth certificate can he become President of the United States?

Yes, since your son was born of citizens temporarily residing abroad, as in the military service, then he may become eligible to be president. Of course he must still “have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

Two cases in point: (1) George Romney of Michigan who ran for president in 1968. Mr. Romney was born in a Mormon community in Chihuahua, Mexico. His parents were U.S. citizens so he was a natural born citizen. (2) John McCain of Arizona was a candidate in 2000. McCain was born in Panama where his father was stationed in the service, so he would also be “natural born.”


614 posted on 07/04/2008 4:57:34 AM PDT by oioiman (all we want is the law to be enforced.....)
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To: gidget7

Selling a forgery or using a forgery for some legal purpose are “crimes”. Forging a document is rarely a crime unless that document is MONEY!! (or bearer bonds, or a check).


615 posted on 07/04/2008 5:01:11 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: fatima
No, she was told to not fill that part in because the government agent handling the process is required to fill it in.

It is presumed that individuals do not have sufficient information to be able to determine their own "race".

616 posted on 07/04/2008 5:05:14 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: fatima

Oh, yeah, I did that BEFORE the law said anything about it. In another license bureau I could have put in “Martian” and they’d have accepted it.


617 posted on 07/04/2008 5:06:20 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: SE Mom

This all could well prove counterproductive. If Hussein was born in Kenya and therefore NOT eligible, it will only establish the precedent that that particular law and constitutional clause is no longer operant. He will not be denied his run nor election even if it proves out that he is actually an adopted Kenyan foundling. Unless the Clintons spring it.If they do it then they will already have their ducks properly arrayed and it just might be able to blow away this particular house of cards.


618 posted on 07/04/2008 5:10:01 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Fred Nerks

Moslems ALL give their kids MOSLEM NAMES. There are no exceptions. It just so happens that the fellows who wrote the Koran (not their belief, mine) were all a bunch of Arabs (except for a few stray Persians) and had Arab names. Those Arab names turned into Moslem names, and voila, having an Arab name means absolutely nothing when it comes to ethnicity!


619 posted on 07/04/2008 5:10:14 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Red Steel
The US rule regarding foreigners visiting here who happen to give birth is that the child must be added to the parent/family visa!

The law assumes the child is NOT a citizen of the US. Else there'd be no need to add the child to a visa since US citizens don't need a visa to be inside the US.

Foreign rules regarding Americans who give birth abroad are comparable.

There are also "status of forces" agreements in many countries and military personnel may be governed differently (regarding the visa deal).

Just quickly looking through the State Department's rules, it doesn't say children have to have a passport (when accompanied by a parent or guardian).

620 posted on 07/04/2008 5:22:26 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: jrooney
Birth certificates, certificates of birth, certification of birth, etcetera et al ad nauseum ARE NOT FEDERAL DOCUMENTS!!!

We are speaking of state documents, and they change with a frequency defying human imagination.

Just exactly where did you get the idea that any of these forms were FEDERAL?

621 posted on 07/04/2008 5:25:10 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: null and void

Answered many times before ~ you really can “just go get” somebody’s BC. What you probably can’t get is a photo-copy of the original hospital record where all the stuff is taken down by a nurse from the parent(s) and/or other family members to file with the local authorities who then put it on file.


622 posted on 07/04/2008 5:26:54 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: struggle
I know a fair number of folks born in Japan of American parents, or who had one American parent and another parent with Japanese citizenship, or even German citizenship.

They had no trouble being recognized under the law as American citizens.

There are international treaties that regularize this stuff, as well as status of forces agreements, and US laws governing the situation. Those laws may well vary by the part of the world involved.

623 posted on 07/04/2008 5:29:31 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: David
Guess what--one of the first attacks was based on the fact that in the altered areas, the hatch lines fail to line up. Someone else has already demonstrated that flaw.

Can you dig up that link please? I remember reading it here about 2 weeks ago, but can't find it now. When I finally bothered to look at the high res KOS image this morning, the hatch lines line up in between the letters and inside holes in the letters. The image was certainly altered in photoshop, but I'm not sure if the lettering was created in PS. It could have been, I don't know enough about PS, but it would have had to be with a feature that allows transparent lettering over existing hatch lines.

624 posted on 07/04/2008 5:33:11 AM PDT by palmer (Tag lines are an extra $1)
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To: Travis McGee

And Travis, can YOU produce a US BC? (And I don’t mean some forgery signed by the Secretary of State - just a real, US BC).


625 posted on 07/04/2008 5:40:09 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: gswilder
But to start with a scanned document with that kind of pattern. Then to blank/replace those text areas with a pefectly matched hatch pattern would be very near impossible.

Could it be done by cutting and pasting hatch patterns from a blank area of the document? I am not a photoshop user, but I tried that in paint and the cut/paste was not terrible, although probably detectable somehow.

626 posted on 07/04/2008 5:41:50 AM PDT by palmer (Tag lines are an extra $1)
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To: Fred Nerks
Fredso, doesn't matter. Moslem names are coincidentally Arab names. Moslems must give their children Moslem names. Moslem converts must adopt a Moslem name.

That's why all the Moslems have Arab names.

627 posted on 07/04/2008 5:44:01 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: hollister23

“And did Hussein legally change his name birth name in college from Barry Soetoro to B Hussein Obama? “

-

Cite please?

If Hussein Obama legally changed his name (from) Soetoro, how in the world, could his BC say ... Obama?


628 posted on 07/04/2008 5:44:18 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 106 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: OKIEDOC
When a guy already is named "Hussein" why would it matter if he were also named "Mohammad"? It's not like these names are not both Arabic, or in common Islamic use worldwide?

One of the popular combinations in this neighborhood is "Mohammad Omar", or "Omar Mohammad". Hussein shows up more often as a surname though.

629 posted on 07/04/2008 5:47:40 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: chaosagent

It may have at the time but the law was changed subsequently. All similarly situated persons benefit ~ that’s usually the course of such things in this country.


630 posted on 07/04/2008 5:49:44 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: P-Marlowe
Yes, but any one of these records would clear up any question of BHO's existence. What was submitted is a matter of record in the Passport Database that was such a controversy recently.

But, is a passport application subject to a freedom of information request?

631 posted on 07/04/2008 5:50:35 AM PDT by dalight
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To: xtinct
I lived through the Civil Rights Era. The legal part of it started in 1963, AFTER Obama was born.

In 1961 people were still free to tell the records nurse anything they wished regarding race. Besides, this was Hawaii and the use of "black" would be meaningless.

We didn't standardize around the "black, non-Hispanic white, other, etc." business until the 70s in fact. That's also when the law changed to require someone other than the respondent fill out the "race" part.

632 posted on 07/04/2008 5:52:38 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: ThanhPhero

You may be correct about being counterproductive. At this point though- there are truly legitimate questions posed as to the authenticity of the bc.

I’ve received quite a bit of heat for posting this thread- and while I’m sympathetic to freepers concerns that we’re a) making fools of ourselves and by association, Free Republic, and b) focusing on the wrong issues, I’m not sure what the correct course might be.

This is a tough story because several things are happening simultaneously. First comes the apparent bc on Kos, followed by its appearance on Obama’s website. Then different factions on both sides begin to examine it for authenticity.

Several respected blogs, including National Review’s Campaign Spot ask questions about the bc. Meanwhile- Obama begins to change course and rhetoric on several KEY liberal issues- infuriating many in his own base. More research into the bc is done, raising more questions. Obama CONTINUES to move center right in his speeches and policies. National Review and the others go silent on the bc issue- while the blogs continue digging. Interwoven are readers on all sides who are just now taking a look at the issue and are unaware of all the work done previously- questions that have been asked and answered numerous times are raised over and over. To say nothing of our individual and collective thoughts of Obama in the first place.

The question becomes- do “we” let it drop? As presented to date, does Obama’s bc on his own website pass muster? Is it surprising given Obama’s recent about face on key issues that other questions about his background are seen as legitimate?

It’s confusing as hell.


633 posted on 07/04/2008 5:53:01 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Marie
A good reason for Obamasama to "change his name" was so he'd become a Harvard legacy. That way he could gain admission to Harvard Law School with a LOWER GPA than otherwise required or expected.

Remember, his babydaddy was a Harvard Law graduate!

Might have even been some scholarship money come along with that status.

634 posted on 07/04/2008 5:54:42 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: SE Mom

I think the American people don’t want to know if Oprah’s Obama actually qualifies to run for president. They are so wrapped up in him that they would allow him to serve even if he flunks the citizenship test. Have you noticed that even MT is swinging toward this socialist with rabid followers?


635 posted on 07/04/2008 5:55:15 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: RaceBannon

His relatives are Moslems. They lie a lot.


636 posted on 07/04/2008 5:55:49 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Enchante; AmericaUnited

I don’t see them “certifying” that’s the document, though we all know that’s the STRONG implication. Perhaps an earlier version of the page made the case more forcefully? I don’t recall and didn’t do a save of it.

The candidate can’t check everything on the website personally, but this is such a major issue that it doesn’t speak well to a candidate’s ability to lead if he claims no responsibility for the webpage,


637 posted on 07/04/2008 6:00:14 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: muawiyah
Oh, yeah, I did that BEFORE the law said anything about it. In another license bureau I could have put in “Martian” and they’d have accepted it.

So what do you and your Martian Overlords plan to do with us Earthlings?

Please don't eat us.
638 posted on 07/04/2008 6:00:51 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history.)
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To: SE Mom

Isrealinsider wrote, “Barack Obama has claimed in writing to have a valid printed document: In the first chapter of his book Dreams From My Father, describing his origins, he wrote about finding a local Hawaiian newspaper article about his Kenyan father: “I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school.”

If the BC he purports to be the original on his website, can someone tell me why it has the date stamp of June 8, 2007 bleeding through from the reverse? Also, was his birth certificate also “folded away” as was the article he refers to?


639 posted on 07/04/2008 6:02:22 AM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: Gondring
I don’t see them “certifying” that’s the document

Oh stop playing some ridiculous semantic word game. They are claiming the doc as being real, genuine, legitimate, certifying as valid, etc., etc.

640 posted on 07/04/2008 6:05:08 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: FreeReign; littlehouse36; Polarik
Please document.

I recommend looking at Polarik's work.

641 posted on 07/04/2008 6:06:44 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Red Steel
an obviously forged birth certificate.

Again, it was a forged "Certification of Live Birth," which is different from a birth certificate. Let's not overlook that point.

642 posted on 07/04/2008 6:08:27 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: PhilDragoo; txflake

Cute photochop!


643 posted on 07/04/2008 6:09:44 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: IM2MAD

I haven’t seen it claimed anywhere the bc on Obama’s website is a copy (or original) of the one he found folded away with the other doc’s he mentions.

Nowhere have I read... Here is the bc mentioned in the book...or words to that effect.


644 posted on 07/04/2008 6:10:16 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Gondring

That was resolved weeks ago ~ the terminology means NOTHING! States use all sorts of names for these things.


645 posted on 07/04/2008 6:10:50 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: mkjessup

You are really lucky I didn’t go to that other license bureau, but I could have ~ and you’d be in more trouble than that.


646 posted on 07/04/2008 6:12:05 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Dog Gone
It doesn't matter where Obama was born. If his mother was a US citizen, then he is.

But it's stupid, it makes FR look stupid, and if that's fine with everyone, keep it up.

Given what you write, what would be the purpose, then, of providing a fake birth certificate, assuming that's what's happened? And what is the logic behind Obama's continued refusal to provide the original?

I for one am not embarrassed, merely intrigued. Some questions remain, and answers should be expected.

647 posted on 07/04/2008 6:12:05 AM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: Raycpa

And is an image a “document”?


648 posted on 07/04/2008 6:13:32 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: TribalPrincess2U; Raycpa
since he says it’s the real deal

It implies it, but doesn't say it.

The Obama campaign is playing this well. They know the value of holding things in reserve.

649 posted on 07/04/2008 6:15:06 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: struggle; pissant; SE Mom

Did you notice that both Obama,s fake BC and the example BC that were posted have the exact same time of birth?

What do you think the odds of that are?


650 posted on 07/04/2008 6:16:01 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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