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Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

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To: WOSG

Could this be what you’re thinking:

Maybe Obama really does have a secret past. Maybe he really is a covert radical muslim jihadist, but electing him president would not really be a problem.

Maybe Obama secretly supports al qaeda, but at the same time he would be just fine for president, wouldn’t try anything sinister, and we can all enjoy our journey into Utopia with him.


701 posted on 07/04/2008 7:17:55 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberalism is service to the self disguised as service to others.)
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To: nobama08; Bahbah

Here’s a piece about his actual practice of law from Chicago

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/700499,CST-NWS-Obama-law17.article

Not certain why he let his license to practice lapse- that may be SOP with (some) politicians?


702 posted on 07/04/2008 7:17:57 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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“Even without including the chances of listing the same island ... The odds of that happening, are 7 one hundredths, of one percent.”

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Put another way:

The odds (against) the same time being listed on the generic BC available online, and the Obama “BC”?

99.93%


703 posted on 07/04/2008 7:19:23 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 105 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: dalight
You have to provide Birth Certificate to get a Passport.

Yes. Given how many electrons we've pushed back and forth about the validity of Obama's BC, the amount of careful high resolution examinations we've made and the hours we've discussing pixel counts, do you think the 20 seconds an overloaded examiner spends on a BC during the Passport issuing process would catch even a moderately good forgery every time?

Yes you need a BC.

A fake/forged/altered one only needs to be good enough to fool a heavily overloaded bureaucrat. If it is fake (and I believe it is) that daily kos forgery is plenty good enough.

704 posted on 07/04/2008 7:19:26 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: Piquaboy
This is a perfect day to thank you for your service!

Today I am going to a BBQ/ welcome home party for my Marine Delta nephew that just got home after 3 tours in Iraq.

705 posted on 07/04/2008 7:20:25 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Fred Nerks

Hmmmmm. An african arab? You mean he could be a blood relative of Mumar Kadaffy-duck???


706 posted on 07/04/2008 7:25:01 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: Enchante

“OBAMA: “That’s not the fraudulent birth certificate I knew!”

I’m having a lot of great laughs this morning plowing through all of the replies on this thread.

You posted what has been running through my old and feeble mind.


707 posted on 07/04/2008 7:25:22 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (America's Mugabe, the Obamination.will bring Mugabe Change to America!)
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To: happygrl
"At the time of BHO birth, in 1961, babies and small children were still able to travel on their parents' passport."

How about when he was 10 (1971 or so) and returning from Indonesia to Hawaii to live with his grandparents? Anyone know if he would have needed his own passport then, even assuming his mother was with him?
708 posted on 07/04/2008 7:28:28 AM PDT by Enchante (OBAMA: "That's not the fraudulent birth certificate I knew!")
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To: taraytarah
Excellent!


709 posted on 07/04/2008 7:28:45 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (America's Mugabe, the Obamination.will bring Mugabe Change to America!)
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To: Travis McGee
Why can’t he produce a US BC?

Nothing says he can't, except your assumption.

710 posted on 07/04/2008 7:29:08 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: pepperhead
"But Barry Dunham to Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama might look bad to some people. I mean how many males have gone by three last names in their life.

No matter what shenanigans he may be up to now with this document, a child has no control over any name that appears on their original birth certificate.Certain domestic situations sometimes lead to name changes among minor children. Even President Ford was born with a completely different name, Leslie Lynch King Jr. His parents separated shortly after his birth and when his mother remarried Gerald R. Ford he was adopted by her new husband and became Gerald R. Ford Jr.

711 posted on 07/04/2008 7:32:33 AM PDT by Mila
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
If Hussein Obama legally changed his name (from) Soetoro, how in the world, could his BC say ... Obama?

Barry was born Obama. Soetoro was the name of his stepfather who his mom married when Barry was two. He may have been known as Soetoro in Indonesia to make things simpler, but his birth name would not have changed

712 posted on 07/04/2008 7:32:41 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: RaceBannon
I hate to say this, but the mentality of the liberals today...

They will riot if Hillary gets the nomination

they will riot if he loses the election

they will riot if he WINS the election

they will riot on innauguration day

and they will riot when Police crack down on the rioters

the transition from 2008 to 2009 will be riots.

count on it.

Mr. Mossberg, ready for duty, Sir!

713 posted on 07/04/2008 7:33:21 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: happygrl

I believe 1986 is year of the relevant law that makes him a citizen even if he were born in Kenya, no?


714 posted on 07/04/2008 7:33:32 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Marie
I think that *this* is the crux of the matter. I don't doubt that he was born in Hawaii. I think that his BC could validate the "Obama is a Muslim" arguments that he's trying so hard to beat back. There goes the Jewish vote along with a lot of 9-11 traumatized Americans.

As Nixon and others discovered, you can get into more trouble for a coverup, than you would have for the original offense.

715 posted on 07/04/2008 7:34:24 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: null and void
Short nap?

No, a good nights sleep.

I never post that late, and I have to work today.

Is that what you meant?

716 posted on 07/04/2008 7:34:32 AM PDT by fanfan (SCC:Canadians have constitutional protection to all opinions, as long as they are based on the facts)
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To: null and void
Yes you need a BC.

No you don't!

717 posted on 07/04/2008 7:36:09 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: PapaBear3625
"Barry was born Obama."

Suppose he was born Dunham and that is the cause of all the deception.

718 posted on 07/04/2008 7:36:29 AM PDT by OldEagle
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To: Gondring

“I believe 1986 is year of the relevant law that makes him a citizen even if he were born in Kenya, no?”

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If the law defining what constitutes “natural born” changed in 1986, and Obama was born in 1961.

He wasn’t “natural born”, when he was born. If he wasn’t born in Hawaii, he’s not eligible to be President.


719 posted on 07/04/2008 7:37:22 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 105 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: fanfan
You have to work on Independence day!

I always to Canada day off work./ sarc.

720 posted on 07/04/2008 7:37:28 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: SE Mom

this is sweet.....


721 posted on 07/04/2008 7:37:35 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: David; pissant; Ernest_at_the_Beach; PhilDragoo; SE Mom
As they used to say on Laugh In: Very Interesting!

Clare McCaskil of Missouri introduced the bill however it has now become known that she did so as a favor to her friend, Barack Obama who wrote the bill. Why would Barack put a single parent savings clause in a bill designed to benefit his colleague John McCain who was born to two U S citizen parents? He knew; he has always known he is not a citizen nor eligible to be elected President.

722 posted on 07/04/2008 7:37:38 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (America's Mugabe, the Obamination.will bring Mugabe Change to America!)
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To: Beagle8U

*took


723 posted on 07/04/2008 7:38:15 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U

Be sure and thank him for his service. Everyone should do that when they see someone in uniform.


724 posted on 07/04/2008 7:39:00 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Clearly the only way to resolve this is to make Kenya the 58th state.


725 posted on 07/04/2008 7:39:19 AM PDT by xDGx
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To: dalight
You have made several interesting posts.. but provide no links or references for the statements. With links and references, these are bombshells. Without, its just so much smoke. Please go back and provide links and references for all of your interesting posts. Do it as a separate thread if you like.. recapping this thread in some sort of order.. by way of showing the trail that opens the question whether Obama was born in Hawaii.

That is not completely true but it is certainly fair comment. Initially, I attempted to follow the practice of citing references on the collateral issues however the volume of legal issues began to build up so I attempted to focus on them and stopped looking for references on the collateral questions; later I also got sloppy about the legal references because for anyone who wants them, they are posted and clearly spelled out on either this thread or one of the two prior threads. However this morning, at some point, I will set out the statute references and the legal again in a new Vanity post on the subject.

My own focus has been on the legal issues--I am a lawyer; admitted to practice before the U S Supreme Court; having argued a number of appellate cases. There is broad misunderstanding about the legal and in fact, the legal is very clear specific statute law that spells out exactly what the status is.

I didn't start to accumulate papers on these collateral issues until last week and I have enough that to search for links on these questions is time consuming--and there is no guarantee that I have all of them although I believe I can still find all the references. At some point, I may well do what you suggest and write a complete brief covering both the factual issues and the law.

But I see this as continuing to develop.

If you are asking about the law, it is 8 USCA Sec. 1401(g) (and in prior statutes Sec. 1401(7)). The effective dates of the various modifications is set out in the footnotes--Congress made some of the changes retroactively effective to some degree; however the key change, making the residence change for the single U S Parent from 5 years to 2 years is applicable only to persons born after November, 1986; thus Obama does not qualify.

726 posted on 07/04/2008 7:39:26 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: Piquaboy

I ALWAYS do!


727 posted on 07/04/2008 7:40:19 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: muawiyah
Answered many times before ~ you really can “just go get” somebody’s BC. What you probably can’t get is a photo-copy of the original hospital record where all the stuff is taken down by a nurse from the parent(s) and/or other family members to file with the local authorities who then put it on file.

Thanks. I stand corrected. My current understanding is that I can't get a certified copy of just anyone's BC, but his/her birth records are available.

728 posted on 07/04/2008 7:40:44 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: Diogenesis
Excellent summary:

"Forge a document? Lie? Of course we/I can. I am a trained Democratic party lawyer."

729 posted on 07/04/2008 7:41:23 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (America's Mugabe, the Obamination.will bring Mugabe Change to America!)
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To: SE Mom
Not certain why he let his license to practice lapse

It's not that unusual when you are not actually practicing and have no intent to resume a practice.

730 posted on 07/04/2008 7:42:31 AM PDT by Bahbah (Typical white person)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; hollister23

I don’t think the name “Soetero” ever enters the picture until sometime after he is 6 y.o. and living in Indonesia. That is the name of the man in Indonesia his mother married, and Barry was registered in a school there under that name. But he could not have been born under that name unless 18 y.o. “Stanley” Dunham (his mother) had already been involved with Soetero back in 1961. I’ve not seen anything to suggest that could be the case (though with his convoluted case who knows?).


731 posted on 07/04/2008 7:43:15 AM PDT by Enchante (OBAMA: "That's not the fraudulent birth certificate I knew!")
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To: David
however the key change, making the residence change for the single U S Parent from 5 years to 2 years is applicable only to persons born after November, 1986; thus Obama does not qualify.

Thank you, thank you, thank you David!

732 posted on 07/04/2008 7:43:46 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Beagle8U

We had last Tuesday off for Canada day.

Have a great July 4th!


733 posted on 07/04/2008 7:44:02 AM PDT by fanfan (SCC:Canadians have constitutional protection to all opinions, as long as they are based on the facts)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
If Hussein Obama legally changed his name (from) Soetoro, how in the world, could his BC say ... Obama?

I'd guess much the same way my daughter's BC shows me as her father, and gives her last name as the same as mine, even though I didn't meet her mom until she was 3 years old.

Court order, part of the adoption proceedings.

734 posted on 07/04/2008 7:45:35 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: David

Thanks for the info, you actually posted it to someone else at #498 but I just found it using the search feature of your profile.


735 posted on 07/04/2008 7:48:18 AM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: Fred Nerks; All

You might find this interesting, too..

http://xenon.arcticus.com.nyud.net:8080/barack-obama-birth-certificate-image-tampering-analysis


736 posted on 07/04/2008 7:48:52 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Plutarch; SE Mom; pissant; David
>>>Using fraudulent, falsified documents is a crime. If you did it in your profession you'd be ignominiously canned. If BO, through his Smears website is pushing false ID, then that is a big deal that leads directly to question his character and credibility.

And immigration status. Therefore, can't we just report this to ICE.gov? We don't need resources for court fights if we report it to ICE for investigation.

737 posted on 07/04/2008 7:49:20 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: spacejunkie01

dunham in all its forms (barry, barack, etc) yes. The step dad soetero no. They have a two week free trial. Try it.


738 posted on 07/04/2008 7:49:20 AM PDT by nikos1121 (The first black president of the US should be a Jackie Robinson, not a Jackie come lately.)
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To: muawiyah
A good reason for Obamasama to "change his name" was so he'd become a Harvard legacy. That way he could gain admission to Harvard Law School with a LOWER GPA than otherwise required or expected.

Remember, his babydaddy was a Harvard Law graduate!

Might have even been some scholarship money come along with that status.

Excellent point.

Nobody really cares if he changed his name. Lots of people do that.

We might care about why he changed his name.

739 posted on 07/04/2008 7:49:36 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: OldEagle
Suppose he was born Dunham and that is the cause of all the deception.

A possibility. Barak Obama would have more "street cred" than Barry Dunham, and I could see Barry being worried about loss of status over admitting to it after all this time

740 posted on 07/04/2008 7:49:53 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; Gondring
If the law defining what constitutes “natural born” changed in 1986, and Obama was born in 1961. He wasn’t “natural born”, when he was born. If he wasn’t born in Hawaii, he’s not eligible to be President.

Indeed, in 1961 the Supreme Court of the United States specifically ruled that a person who was born in a foreign country to a mother who was a citizen and a father who was not a citizen was NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

741 posted on 07/04/2008 7:53:19 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Eagles6

Thanks, now, I’m starting to get one of my rare headaches:)

“Let’s say that bho was born in kenya. Would not his mother have had to get him a passport to return him to the US?

That would possibly explain the passport fiasco of some months back.

Also her passport records may show that she was not in the US when he was born.”


742 posted on 07/04/2008 7:53:55 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (America's Mugabe, the Obamination.will bring Mugabe Change to America!)
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To: SE Mom

To those who constantly worry about this site being in danger of looking foolish for examining the credentials of this man of UNKNOWN ORIGIN.

What would you dissenters do if you went to a used car lot to buy a car and were treated like this?

Honest John: “This is a great little car with a ‘like new’ engine, low mileage, and a one owner. It’s the perfect car for you.

Buyer: “Can you lift the hood, I’d like to look at the engine”.

Honest John: “No need to go through all that trouble, just look at this picture I took of the engine”

Buyer: “That picture looks a little funny, why can’t I look at the engine”

Honest John: “Are you questioning my honesty? I have been on this lot since August 4th of 1962”

Buyer: “OK, sorry but why is the Vin number and odometer covered with a piece of black tape”

Honest John: “Don’t worry about that it is a security measure we use so that nobody can come on the lot without permission and trace the origins of our cars”.

Buyer: “So what you are saying is that you want me buy this car without knowing anything at all about it?”

Honest John: “Well, yes because you have my word for it, they don’t call me “Honest John” for nothin’”


743 posted on 07/04/2008 7:54:02 AM PDT by RetSignman (DEMSM: "If you tell a big enough lie, frequently enough, it becomes the truth")
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To: Gondring
I believe 1986 is year of the relevant law that makes him a citizen even if he were born in Kenya, no?

1986 is apparently the year of the amendment to Sec. 1401(g) which governs Obama's citizenship. However if you will look in the footnotes to the statue, you will see that it applies only to persons born after November, 1986 and thus the reduction of term of residence for the single parent citizen from 5 to 2 is inapplicable to Obama.

Thus if he was born in Kenya, he is not only not eligible to serve as President under Article II, Sec. 1, Par. 4, he is also not a citizen of the United States.

744 posted on 07/04/2008 7:54:23 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: SE Mom
Let's all focus on this for a news cycle. This is Hugh and Series!


745 posted on 07/04/2008 8:02:18 AM PDT by elfman2 (TheRightReasons.net - Thoughtful CONSERVATIVES without the kooks.)
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To: SE Mom

Good find.


746 posted on 07/04/2008 8:04:53 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
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To: fatima

{{hugs!}} back at you Fatima! Happy 4th!


747 posted on 07/04/2008 8:05:21 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: David

Title 8 SEction 1401

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

Assuming the speculation is correct, Obama would qualify above.


748 posted on 07/04/2008 8:06:03 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: muawiyah
His relatives are Moslems. They lie a lot.

That's racist!

749 posted on 07/04/2008 8:06:46 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: taraytarah; Fred Nerks
the number was 'blacked out' - because there never was a number on it to begin with...

Actually there is a logical reason why the Obama campaign would want to black out the number. By not releasing the number they make it impossible for a Photoshop artist to produce an altered Obama birth certificate and claim it is the real one.

750 posted on 07/04/2008 8:08:02 AM PDT by wideminded
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