Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)

Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

[SE Mom]

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

[Gondring]

1986 is apparently the year of the amendment to Sec. 1401(g) which governs Obama's citizenship. However if you will look in the footnotes to the statue, you will see that it applies only to persons born after November, 1986 and thus the reduction of term of residence for the single parent citizen from 5 to 2 is inapplicable to Obama.

Thus if he was born in Kenya, he is not only not eligible to serve as President under Article II, Sec. 1, Par. 4, he is also not a citizen of the United States.

IANAL, but I think that the footnote and the actual USC language refer to it taking effect October 1988, with the provision of it applying to those born after November 1986.

Note that (g) itself states: "This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;"

If this wasn't to go into effect for people born before 1986, why would the military proviso be referenced with such an old date?

From what I see, it's retroactive to all....with a 2 years/14-years clause that would make Sen. Obama a natural born citizen if he was born in Hawaii.

[null and void]

Today I am going to a BBQ/ welcome home party for my Marine Delta nephew that just got home after 3 tours in Iraq.

Tell him that because of people like him nully is no longer proud to be an American.

I have seen what they have done.

They utterly destroyed one of the world's largest and best trained standing armies in a matter of weeks. OK, that's what we expect from them.

What impressed me was how well they comported themselves after the military victory.

Everything from restoring some semblance of order, building schools, hospitals, sewage and water systems, inculcating a population with no history of freedom with some concept of a constitutional democracy.

Doing all this while dead-enders are doing their dead level best to destroy them and everything they stand for.

Doing this in 120° weather, while not having so much as a sip of water in honor of the local religious customs during ramadan.

Doing it with a smile for the children, a kind word for the women, and respect for the men.

No, nully is no longer proud to be an American.

nully is now deeply and profoundly humbled to be an American, and to be able to count himself as a countryman of such men and women.

[Gondring]

in 1961 the Supreme Court of the United States specifically ruled that a person who was born in a foreign country to a mother who was a citizen and a father who was not a citizen was NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

Yes. Then, in 1986, legislation was passed to address that, putting them in the classification of Citizen by Birth. It is unclear how the 1961 decision would apply, but IANAL. :-)

[Travis McGee]

"Why can’t he produce a US BC?"

Nothing says he can't, except your assumption.

Then why does Obama still have a low-res version of the admitted forgery up on his "stop the smears" website as "proof" of his citizenship?

[Raycpa]

§ 1409. Children born out of wedlock

(a) The provisions of paragraphs (c), (d), (e), and (g) of section 1401 of this title, and of paragraph (2) of section 1408 of this title, shall apply as of the date of birth to a person born out of wedlock if—

(1) a blood relationship between the person and the father is established by clear and convincing evidence, (2) the father had the nationality of the United States at the time of the person’s birth, (3) the father (unless deceased) has agreed in writing to provide financial support for the person until the person reaches the age of 18 years, and (4) while the person is under the age of 18 years— (A) the person is legitimated under the law of the person’s residence or domicile, (B) the father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath, or (C) the paternity of the person is established by adjudication of a competent court.

(b) Except as otherwise provided in section 405 of this Act, the provisions of section 1401 (g) of this title shall apply to a child born out of wedlock on or after January 13, 1941, and before December 24, 1952, as of the date of birth, if the paternity of such child is established at any time while such child is under the age of twenty-one years by legitimation.

(c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.

[avacado]

"It is embarrassing to watch FR do this. It doesn't matter where Obama was born. If his mother was a US citizen, then he is."

Yep, you're right as far as I can tell.

1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

-(g)  a person born outside the geographical limits of the 
United States and its outlying possessions of parents one 
of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United 
States who, prior to the birth of such person, was 
physically present in the United States or its outlying 
possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than 
five years, at least two of which were after attaining the 
age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of 
honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United 
States, or periods of employment with the United States 
Government or with an international organization as that 
term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen 
parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is 
physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son 
or daughter and a member of the household of a person 

[null and void]

Not quite.

You said you were retiring for the night at 19:29:44, and posted again at 20:03:21

So I thought I’d tease you a little...

[null and void]

Thanks. I stand corrected.

[exit82]

Amen, nully.

My screen got blurry all of a sudden.

[null and void]

57 States? Where did that come from?

...the Organization of the Islamic Conference, representing the 57 Islamic states,...

[Jeff Chandler]

do you know what the fallout could be?

I'll venture a guess:

1. The Democrats and all their Drive By Media will chant the talking point, "It's just a technicality", and bull their way forward.
2. McCain will decline to push the issue.
3. If some sort of legal action is taken derailing the anointing of the messiah, cities will burn.

[chaosagent]

The law you are quoting applies only to births OUTSIDE THE USA! Are you saying that he was born outside the USA?

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That’s just ONE of the reasons suspected for Obama not releasing his BC.

Apparently some of his African family memebers have been quoted as saying he was actually born in Kenya and brought to Hawaii a couple of days after.

All Obama has to do to end this is to release his REAL BC.

Why doesn’t he?

[Gondring]

Colloquially, a birth certificate is issued at birth. But technically, the terms are broader. As previously discussed, there is a difference in the forms issued now when compared to those used previously.

So, in place of the term "birth certificate," please read: "form that was issued at the time of the candidate's birth, which would have contained more information than the post-2001 short-form 'Certification of Live Birth' that was released by the campaign."

Of course, one doesn't necessarily have to be born in a state to get a Certification of Live Birth from that state, but I do believe that he was born in Hawaii...and my point was that it was likely other information on the form that he doesn't want to release.

[P-Marlowe]

Yes. Then, in 1986, legislation was passed to address that, putting them in the classification of Citizen by Birth. It is unclear how the 1961 decision would apply, but IANAL. :-)

If one is not a Natural Born Citizen at the time of birth, then one is not eligible to be president. Congress cannot ex-post facto create a Natural Born Citizen out of a foreign national by legislative mandate. The status at the time of birth is controlling. Thus, if Obama was born outside the United States in 1961 and his father was not a US Citizen, then he would not be a Natural Born Citizen.

Congress has the power to make Citizens of anyone they want at any time they want, but they do not have the power to change a person's birth status after they are born. Any act by Congress that would change a person who was not actually born a Citizen of the United States into a "Natural Born Citizen" would be unconstitutional on its face.

They can change them into a "Legislatively Mandated Citizen" but they can't go back in time and make them a "Natural Born" citizen.

[Gondring]

Can they take it away?

Can the SCOTUS?

[fanfan]

So I thought I’d tease you a little...

It was Lady Jag's fault.

;-)

[PhilDragoo]

Hussein said he'd meet with Ahmadinejad. Iran, Syria, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, Qaddafi, Hamas, Farrakhan and the New Black Panther Party have endorsed Hussein.

Mugabe was marketed as a moderate. Now we have our very own Mugabe.

Hussein hasn't yet hugged Ahmadinejad, but if elected, he will.

[SE Mom]

Perhaps his grandmother is on to something here:

~snip~

“He keeps a lot of secrets and is full of surprises. I am very confident he will win the race and become president,” Hussein, wrapped in brightly colored clothes, said in a husky voice.

~snip~

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSL0872724120080109?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

[null and void]

In no way am I arguing with you, but you may have BO confused with McNut.

Me? Confused? I suppose that is theoretically possible...

[null and void]

Oh, sure, I suppose now you’re going to pull the al taqqiyah card.