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Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom

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To: Raycpa
Title 8 SEction 1401 (f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

Assuming the speculation is correct, Obama would qualify above.

No. To qualify under (f), his parentage must be "unknown"--Obama is known to be the child of Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr.

801 posted on 07/04/2008 9:29:34 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: Raycpa
1409. Children born out of wedlock

When was that amendment passed?

If the amendment was made after Obama's birth, then he might be considered a "Citizen at birth," if he was born in Kenya, but he would not be a Natural Born Citizen.

In order to be a "Natural Born Citizen" you must have been born a Citizen and not made a citizen by legislative fiat. Congress does have the power to make anyone a citizen, or even a "citizen at birth", but they do not have the power to make a "Natural Born Citizen" out of a person who was not a citizen at the time of his birth.

802 posted on 07/04/2008 9:31:04 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Gondring
"If this wasn't to go into effect for people born before 1986, why would the military proviso be referenced with such an old date?"

That's just it. It was a MILITARY provision. Obama's parents were not military.

803 posted on 07/04/2008 9:31:32 AM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: Gondring
You said "Note that (g) itself states: "This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;""
IANAL either, but note that earlier in (g) it states "Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or...."
I think the operative word in what you have quoted is proviso. I'm pretty sure it references only the portion of paragraph (g) that begins with "Provided." See http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf if you care to read more than you ever wanted to know on this topic.
804 posted on 07/04/2008 9:31:44 AM PDT by DrC
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To: P-Marlowe
"Natural born citizen" is not defined, and, in fact, as written--without a hyphen--it means a "born citizen" who is natural. With a hyphen, if we assume one, it could mean someone who was not of woman born...thus preventing Macduff!

But when you look at the British meaning, it refers to citizens by birth, and it makes sense that those who are not "natural-born" would be those who are "natural-ized"...clearly, even this layman can see that he would not require naturalization, and falls under the "by birth" section of 8 USC 1401.

805 posted on 07/04/2008 9:36:52 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Raycpa
§ 1409. Children born out of wedlock

My research shows that that amendment was adopted in 1986 and therefore it was not in effect in 1961 and thus while it would make a person a citizen at birth, it would not make a person a "Natural Born" Citizen.

Thus while it would make Obama a Citizen, it would not give him "Natural Born" status. It would simply give him "Ex-Post Facto Legislatively Mandated Citizenship at Birth" status.

806 posted on 07/04/2008 9:39:00 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: null and void
muawiyah ~ Oh, yeah, I did that BEFORE the law said anything about it. In another license bureau I could have put in “Martian” and they’d have accepted it.
mkjessup ~ So what do you and your Martian Overlords plan to do with us Earthlings?
Please don't eat us.


If they start with the fat ones, I'm doomed...


Point the Martians in the direction of the ones that are fatter than you. LOL
807 posted on 07/04/2008 9:39:58 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history.)
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To: Spunky
Have you read it all? The military proviso just allows military people to count the years in the military toward the total.

B. Obama's mother didn't need credit for those years, anyway, so the military proviso isn't needed to help in meeting the 2-year/5-year/14-year-old requirement.

808 posted on 07/04/2008 9:40:27 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: David
In preparing a response to your post, I researched your other recent posts and see you do have many posts in a thread about the question of whether Obama was born in US or Kenya. So I am pulling from all to highlight the places where you need to provide sources.

Its just a plain weakness of FR that it doesn't have a topical memory so that items of interest can be more easily accessed. We end up needing to repeat over and over in threads links to make these connections.

You said:

Initially, I attempted to follow the practice of citing references on the collateral issues however the volume of legal issues began to build up so I attempted to focus on them and stopped looking for references on the collateral questions

Well.. you have made quite a few statements that need backtracks to substantiate that have nothing to do with questions of law per se...

I am going to for the moment step away from the whole McCain isn't a natural citizen and such and the McCaskill bill that you haven't cited a source that actually contains language that helps Obama. Frankly, even without links you have provided enough substantial citations for your opinion for one to consider it regardless of what one takes away.

Lets work our way through these others one at a time..

The only thing that admits of a response is the Vital Statistics point. The newspapers in Hawaii of the day published each day, births and deaths and marriages of the preceding 24 hours. Someone has gone through and looked at library editions of those newspapers for August 3, 1961 to learn that nowhere in the first week of August is there publication of the birth of this guy under any of the available names. His mother doesn't appear anywhere as a mother either.

This is interesting.. but without who the "someone" is or where this "fact" is published (Link).. its pretty empty.. I am sure you can understand.. anyone can write anything..

I assume there is some factual background behind the Israel news reports regarding the investigation and product thereof, Kenya birth records demonstrating that Obama was born there. I assume further that he will never be able to produce a provable Certificate of his birth in Hawaii although it should be recognized that the Hawaii birth records employees are probably Liberals who support Obama and who will participate in any reasonable effort to support his position.

This needs a link to the article(s) mentioned. The next may just be a restatement of the former.. but it reflects more "facts" of interest without the grounding of the sources.

there is a reported interview of the "grandmother" and two of his half-siblings that purports to claim they were present at his birth in Kenya; and there is the Wayne Madsen update reporting that three investigators hired to investigate Obama's background in Kenya have located official records of his birth in Kenya confirming that his birth occurred in that country.

Link(s) please!

I think thats about all. When you cite these facts and in some place you do them all at once.. just drop in the links and that will handle the back chatter.

809 posted on 07/04/2008 9:40:43 AM PDT by dalight
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To: Travis McGee

Even if it had info he didn’t want to release? I doubt it.

You might have faith in his sweet, giving character, but I don’t.


810 posted on 07/04/2008 9:41:57 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Raycpa
§ 1409. Children born out of wedlock
(a) The provisions of paragraphs (c), (d), (e), and (g) of section 1401 of this title, and of paragraph (2) of section 1408 of this title, shall apply as of the date of birth to a person born out of wedlock if—

This is addressing a person born out of wedlock, but they still had to fit in the critia as put forth on the date of their birth. In 1961 the citizen parent had to live in the U.S. 10 years. Five of those before the age of 16 and 5 after the age of 16. Since Barack was born when his mother was 18, she had not met the critera of the 5 years after the age of 16.

811 posted on 07/04/2008 9:46:30 AM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: Raycpa

You said “Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.”

But note this only refers to NATIONALITY, not CITIZENSHIP.
“While most people and countries use the terms “citizenship” and “nationality” interchangeably, U.S. law differentiates between the two [see Section 101(a)(21)-(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA)]. Under current law all U.S. citizens are also U.S. nationals, but not all U.S. nationals are U.S. citizens.” http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf


812 posted on 07/04/2008 9:47:06 AM PDT by DrC
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To: DrC
I think the operative word in what you have quoted is proviso. I'm pretty sure it references only the portion of paragraph (g) that begins with "Provided."

Agreed. Although I think you're missing my point. That proviso would be totally irrelevant for even the people needing credit for military service if the whole thing truly referred to only post-1986 births.

813 posted on 07/04/2008 9:48:49 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: null and void
iven how many electrons we've pushed back and forth about the validity of Obama's BC, the amount of careful high resolution examinations we've made and the hours we've discussing pixel counts, do you think the 20 seconds an overloaded examiner spends on a BC during the Passport issuing process would catch even a moderately good forgery every time?

Well, this "fake" is new and the guy who did it was pretty talented but it only holds for posting on the internet. The passport examiners won't take copies, electronic images or such. They want original embossed and stamped documents or you get no where.

Moreso, if Obama provided a "fake" BC for his passport.. he could quit worrying about eligibility to be president and instead start worrying about staying out of prison.

Now what is more likely, is that he does have a Hawaii birth certificate but that it has something they don't want out.. so that a passport could be issued without any big issue as the question is just citizenship or not, rather than the question of meeting a Constitutional test, so at the time.. it wasn't an issue.

814 posted on 07/04/2008 9:49:29 AM PDT by dalight
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To: Spunky

And perhaps that’s the operative clause in this case. He said he didn’t look into that detail.

Also, note that things are different whether the father or mother is the citizen. The law didn’t always consider that.


815 posted on 07/04/2008 9:50:36 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Raycpa; P-Marlowe; David; Travis McGee; PhilDragoo; SE Mom; Grampa Dave; devolve; Dog Gone; ...
Gadhafi says this:

Libyan Leader Mu'ammar Al-Qadhafi: Obama...Should Be Proud of His African, Muslim Identity

Isn't this what Obama is trying to hide....?

816 posted on 07/04/2008 9:54:17 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: P-Marlowe
Congress does have the power to make anyone a citizen, or even a "citizen at birth", but they do not have the power to make a "Natural Born Citizen" out of a person who was not a citizen at the time of his birth.

And your basis for that claim is...?

Section 1401 deals with citizens by birth...and those citizens are natural-born citizens, as opposed to those who have to be naturalized.

817 posted on 07/04/2008 9:54:50 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: dalight

McKinnon probably didn’t even originate the image. I think he modified an already existing spoof.


818 posted on 07/04/2008 9:55:47 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: SE Mom
Obviously this is a good thread .. all you need to do is look at the views and the number of posts.

As to letting this matter drop. Thats lame. If FR earns its place in the world, its by this sort of analysis and debate.

Yea, there are several folks who make themselves look silly and careless, but mixed in with that chatter is some really good scholarship and FReeping.. and its a joy to see a thread like this what ever the subject, because it digs at the truth.

Well done, and don't apologize for doing a great job.

819 posted on 07/04/2008 9:56:53 AM PDT by dalight
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To: mkjessup
Point the Martians in the direction of the ones that are fatter than you. LOL

Like?

820 posted on 07/04/2008 9:57:02 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: Travis McGee
Yeah, his candidacy ended immediately after waiting on the questions of his baptism. </sarc%gt;
821 posted on 07/04/2008 9:57:21 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Dog Gone
It doesn't matter where Obama was born. If his mother was a US citizen, then he is.

He's running for President. Citizenship is not enough to qualify, otherwise Schwarzenegger could be President.

Dear Lord, do I have to explain this on every Obama B/C thread?

822 posted on 07/04/2008 9:59:18 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Calpernia; RaceBannon
You may want that for your Iran Hostage history site.

Yeah, why can't conservatives strive for the "fake-but-accurate" reputation, too?!

823 posted on 07/04/2008 10:01:46 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
And your basis for that claim is...?

The words and intent of the Constitution. Some people don't think that the words have any meaning at all. I do.

824 posted on 07/04/2008 10:05:38 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: agere_contra
Dear Lord, do I have to explain this on every Obama B/C thread?

Apparently so. And sometimes several times on the same thread.

825 posted on 07/04/2008 10:06:44 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Irish Rose
One has to ask...if the Obama campaign is willing to hide his certificate with a fake, there are only three possibilities:

1. The real one shows that Obama is not really a citizen.

2. The real one shows October Surprise material, something so bad that it may interfere very badly with his campaign. There has been specualtion, for instance, that the original will somehow provide evidence that his father was married to one or more women other than his mother. Just an indication that his parents represented themselves to the State as unmarried would be enough evidence to get somebody on that trail and open that can of worms.

3. Obama is so incompetent he can't successfully oversee the maintenance of his personal documents.

None of those possibilities is very palatable to me, an American who was already wondering with horror how the heck this neophyte got to be seriously considered for the job of leading the free world.

826 posted on 07/04/2008 10:10:37 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: Gondring
Section 1401 deals with citizens by birth...and those citizens are natural-born citizens, as opposed to those who have to be naturalized.

If that is true, then Congress has the power to make Arnold Schwarzenegger a "Natural Born Citizen" merely by declaring him one.

827 posted on 07/04/2008 10:11:05 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: dalight

I believe post #564 is addressed to you.

You have not demonstrated that BHO used an original embossed and stamped birth certificate to get his passport. There are a number of substitute documents that can be used for the purposes of getting a passport, as detailed in post #564.

Therefore the validity or even the existence of a document he may not have even used to get a passport is moot.

The validity of what he is purporting to be his BC on his web site is still very much in play.

As it is neither embossed, nor stamped, and shows some electronic fingerprints of tampering, it is hardly proof positive of his birth as a citizen.


828 posted on 07/04/2008 10:14:25 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: SE Mom
McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old . . .

This guy is either a fagola who cannot admit his age or a man occupying space/time in a most unusual manner. You decide.

829 posted on 07/04/2008 10:14:25 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: David; Jim Robinson
I didn't start to accumulate papers on these collateral issues until last week and I have enough that to search for links on these questions is time consuming--and there is no guarantee that I have all of them although I believe I can still find all the references. At some point, I may well do what you suggest and write a complete brief covering both the factual issues and the law.

I understand completely. You see folks doing this over and over.. posting summaries in new threads.. and you think.. gosh.. they should give it up.. but honestly its a service just like the folks who do lists. It saves alot of ignorant posts fighting over facts.

What we need is a Free Republic Wiki that integrates with the threads so that we can access them and manage articles that summarize our understanding of each topic so that as new facts and info is added we don't have to keep repeating ourselves in the threads to maintain a memory of what has already been established.

830 posted on 07/04/2008 10:16:24 AM PDT by dalight
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To: dalight

Good grief- as of a minute ago there are:

20,804+ views

I’m not apologizing- just acknowledging there are more than a few freepers who disagree with the focus this topic is receiving- it’s a reasonable point of view.

And yet...there are so many nagging doubts and questions- it’s equally reasonable NOT to let this go til we have satisfactory answers.


831 posted on 07/04/2008 10:16:56 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: P-Marlowe
The words and intent of the Constitution.

Based on the words, he would qualify for office.

Based on the intent, he would qualify for office.

As do I. That should be obvious from #805, but also ones such as #360.

832 posted on 07/04/2008 10:17:12 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: icwhatudo

*placemark*


833 posted on 07/04/2008 10:18:01 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: agere_contra
Dear Lord, do I have to explain this on every Obama B/C thread?

Apparently...

...and often to the very same people.

834 posted on 07/04/2008 10:19:13 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: P-Marlowe

uh...that post was supposed to have your words before my last graf. I was saying that I believe the words of the Constitution have meaning.


835 posted on 07/04/2008 10:19:36 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

IF and only IF he actually WAS born in Hawai’i.

The fact that the ONLY document saying he was may be fake doesn’t bother you?

Why is that?


836 posted on 07/04/2008 10:23:50 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: WOSG; ErnBatavia; Dog Gone
First, the law that Dog Gone is citing only affects people born after 1986.

Second, even if Obama is absolutely, positively, 110% a naturalized citizen, why is it stupid for us to wonder why a presidential candidate would be unwilling to provide a copy of this minor document? Why is it stupid to wonder why it is so secret that he was willing to produce a forgery in its place? And if Obama didn't know it was a forgery, what does it say about his competence? Why are those questions stupid?

Third, Ernbatavia...are you sure he was born in Hawaii...because we haven't seen a birth certificate!

837 posted on 07/04/2008 10:27:35 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: avacado
".....Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent,....."

This was inacted in 1986 and the key word here is PROVIDED. Baracks parents were not military,employed with the U.S. Government, or an Internatioal Organization defined in section 288. It does not say this is retroactive either.

Barack fits into the law that was in place in 1961. Citizen parent has to have been a U.S. citizen 10yrs. 5 before the age of 16 and 5 after the age 16. Baracks mother gave birth at 18yrs so she did not meet the 5 yrs after the age of 16.

Now all this only applies if he was born in Kenya or outside the U.S. and since they are furnishing a phony birth certificate it makes one wonder what he is hiding.

838 posted on 07/04/2008 10:28:05 AM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Third, Ernbatavia...are you sure he was born in Hawaii...because we haven't seen a birth certificate!

Point of order. That should say:

Third, Ernbatavia...are you sure he was born in Hawaii...because we haven't seen a known, unquestionably valid birth certificate!

It's a minor, but very crucial point...

839 posted on 07/04/2008 10:30:44 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: Raycpa
So, some liberal admits to creating forgeries and we assume that obama’s is one of them? S T R E T C H ?

The fake certificate has been featured on Obama's fight the smears website. That's either fraud or incompetence, and either is evidence against this candidate being qualified to lead the USA.

840 posted on 07/04/2008 10:34:36 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: LUV W

I think it was meant to signify the issuance date of the Certificate, which was supposed to look like a replacement for a certificate issued at the time of birth. Of course, it’s all fake.


841 posted on 07/04/2008 10:41:50 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: SE Mom

Does it strike anyone as odd that this information happened to be “discovered” on the Independence Day weekend. It’s well known that if there’s a bad story, the best thing to do is release on the weekend when the news is slow. This gives the Obama Propoganda Secretaries (aka ABCNBCCBSCNNNYTIMES) an even bigger reason to bury this story. The media will downplay this as an error that doesn’t matter. Just like Rev Wright, Ayers, 57 states, Vesco, Obama’s voting/non-voting record, etc.

I ask people at work if they have heard about the latest screwup about Obama. They seemed bummed out about voting for Obama, but also don’t feel like voting for McCain.


842 posted on 07/04/2008 10:43:27 AM PDT by pulaskibush (USA, founded by tolerant Christians. USSR, founded by intolerant Secularist.)
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To: Lady Heron
I have not been reading post about the birth certificate until this post, but is it not law that a presidential candidate be born on US soil or one of its territories....wasn't there talk about McCain not being eligible for this very reason?

Yes, there was. Some people had an embarassing level of ignorance about the issue and didn't realize that a U.S. military base is U.S. soil.

843 posted on 07/04/2008 10:44:15 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: Spunky; avacado

This summarizes the different requirements, as they changed over the years for children board abroad to be considered citizens.

http://www.pengweber.com/citizenship/citizenbybirth.html

“Between 12/24/1952 and 11/13/1986:

If one parent is a U.S. citizen, the U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after age 14.”

IF Obama was indeed born abroad, he couldn’t be a citizen based on these rules, because Obama’s Mother doesn’t meet that criteria, since she was only 18, when Obama was born, that would be only 4 years spent in the US after age 14.


844 posted on 07/04/2008 10:46:42 AM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Grampa Dave

The bill applied to the children of Military. But the fact that the Democrats put it forth for McCain is a trick in order when the time comes they will say we need to do the same for Obama even though he isn't military. They will write out a bill to cover him.

845 posted on 07/04/2008 10:47:23 AM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: wideminded
Actually there is a logical reason why the Obama campaign would want to black out the number. By not releasing the number they make it impossible for a Photoshop artist to produce an altered Obama birth certificate and claim it is the real one.

If the number were not blacked out, all Obama would have to do is instruct anyone who was in doubt as to which one was real to send a copy of his (including the certificate number) to the state of Hawaii along with $5, and Hawaii would send back confirmation staying that it was real (and thus any other certificate that disagreed with it was fake).

In short, blacking out the number has exactly the opposite effect from what you claim.

846 posted on 07/04/2008 10:51:56 AM PDT by supercat
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To: Spunky; David; Fred Nerks; SE Mom; pissant; Enchante; Shermy
Thanks to David, Fred Nerks, you and others, this may be the most significant new thing on the forged Obamination Certificate of Live Birth.


847 posted on 07/04/2008 10:52:59 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (America's Mugabe, the Obamination.will bring Mugabe Change to America!)
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To: SE Mom
This controversy of the legitimacy of Obama's BC is interesting in light of how loudly he decried the passport breach earlier this year. Not that he shouldn't have been alarmed, but his reaction was louder than either McCain's or Clinton's reaction.

Paraphrasing a MSNBC/AP article, the following information can be found: date and place of birth, address at time of application and the countries the person has traveled to, the most important detail would be their Social Security number, which can be used to pull credit reports and other personal information.

His passport records were breached three times. January, February, and March. I believe all three were contractors, two of whom were fired. The one who was reprimanded, but not fired, viewed both Obama's and McCain's passport records.

At least three people have seen "some" record of the birth information he presented for a passport. Now it's just a matter of finding one of those who will talk. :-)
848 posted on 07/04/2008 10:55:46 AM PDT by Girlene (HAPPY JULY 4TH!!!!!)
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To: pulaskibush

“Does it strike anyone as odd that this information happened to be “discovered” on the Independence Day weekend. It’s well known that if there’s a bad story, the best thing to do is release on the weekend when the news is slow. This gives the Obama Propoganda Secretaries (aka ABCNBCCBSCNNNYTIMES) an even bigger reason to bury this story. The media will downplay this as an error that doesn’t matter. Just like Rev Wright, Ayers, 57 states, Vesco, Obama’s voting/non-voting record, etc.”

This is typical at least since the days of the Clintoons to release bad news late on Friday for normal weekends or in the case on Thursday.

Besides ignoring the news and spiking it. The delay gives the rats controlling the DNC and MSM time to develop a new set of lies and spins to neutralize the bad news.


849 posted on 07/04/2008 10:56:14 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (America's Mugabe, the Obamination.will bring Mugabe Change to America!)
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To: Gondring
McKinnon probably didn’t even originate the image. I think he modified an already existing spoof.

I disagree, the border is different from the known real version of this certificate yet the revision number is the same. I believe that there is some reason for this.. you see the lines in the border were it was pasted together.. on a real official document this would be cause to send the thing back to the engraver.

Folks have found some reason to believe that it was printed and folded and perhaps rescanned before being modified but I very much doubt that the original was truly a scan of a real Hawaiian blank certificate.

850 posted on 07/04/2008 11:04:05 AM PDT by dalight
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