Skip to comments.Is There Legitimate Doubt About Obama's Eligibility to be President?
Posted on 07/06/2008 10:47:57 AM PDT by Aria
I had not caught up until today with this apparent controversy over whether the Hawaii birth certificate proffered by Obama's campaign is a forgery and whether there are legitimate questions about whether he was born in the United States if he wasn't, he almost certainly would not be qualified under the Constitution and relevant immigration statutes to be president. Our Jim Geraghty seemed to pooh-pooh the birth certificate controversy about a week ago, but according to the above cited report (at a site called DougRoss@Journal) and a new one from Israeli Insider, there are new developments, and the Obama campaign appears to be stonewalling. Shouldn't it be a fairly easy matter to prove he was born in Hawaii if he really was? Why wouldn't Obama just end this quickly?
Is there anything to this?
ADDENDUM: I should add to the above that I am not a conspiracy theorist. My predisposition on the many stories floating around about Obama and his circle is to ignore them on the following theory: If there was really anything to this or that, the Clintons would have found it and gotten their media friends all over it. This story about Obama's eligibility puzzles me because (a) it is so basic, (b) it should be so easy to prove the relevant facts of his birth, (c) the Obama campaign's response to the story is bizarre, and (d) it seems to be getting worse rather than resolved.
07/06 12:09 PM
I suppose you have some proof of that allegation and will post it immediately.
And, for the record, since when is following Constitutional and legal requirements considered 'chicken-shit grounds'?
Shoot...if he had a REAL and VALID certificate..it would have been out there weeks ago...as it is..what’s he got to lose by trying to see if he can scam one by.....
Late September is a good time for it to blow up on Obama.
We need to read the UNAVAILABLE 1995 version of his book. What is in the 1995 original version that was edited out of the Re-released version.
I do believe in the law. Absolutely. But I also believe in being realistic...and in seeing through pretense.
The moment he declared his candidacy he should have been investigated...and I’m sure he was. In my mind that time is over. Passed. The Statute of Limitations has expired.
He’s now a legitimate candidate, at least on those grounds.
You are leaving out the Hillary bloggers and fans.
If my stuff was infantile (and that’s only your opinion) you’v e exceeded it in every way.
That has to be the most stupid comment I've read! Since when is proving your a US Citizen "racially motivated?" Your KOS buddys played the exact same card on McCain, and were immediately shotdown! Where were your pathetic crys of racism then? Exposing fraud of a liar no matter the race is truth! You sound like the same Lib fraud voting idiots in Atlanta that screamed 'racism' when asked to flash a drivers license to prove they are who they clami they are in order to vote!
I don’t think you have to be a big Obama supporter to understand the outright rage and huge cynicism that would be rife in this country for many years should Obama be disqualified on some technicality.
It would set back race relations decades.The entire fabric of the nation would be hurt beyond what we can even conceive of now.It would be 1967 all over again and the mantra of black America would be”whitey has tricked us again”.
Some might say.”So what,let them steam”You are probably the ones that have never been IN a race riot.
A very frightening event,indeed.
And in addition to that, he is an incompetent, ignorant, and un-American airhead.
In order to obtain a U.S. passport one must provide a birth certificate as proof of citizenship in the U.S.
But I do love my country anyway and I do not want to see it torn apart by a bunch of sore losers...and I'm speaking to you and those who think like you.
Anyone who lived through that terrible 1967-68 period does NOT want to relive it-that is,if they are sane.
Sore losers my ass! This is about constitutional elegibility to be President pure and simple! Got news for you pal, the Left will try to tear the country apart with or without Obama!
Both Clintons passed off many lies about their respective pasts as truthful--usually based on details which could not be checked and on the presence of people now dead. Never an occasion where there was a known living witness. Obama is not above taking this squalid practice to a new level. His ethics have been in the gutter since the outset.
Which is why I suspect a put-on and a set-up by the Moveon crowd. Sort of like planting a noose on your own doorknob and screaming "racist"!
Still, it's not remotely unreasonable to request any candidate's birth records.
What I’m most perplexed by is the huge advance he got on his first book, just out of law school, I believe. Even if a publisher were taken in by the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review angle, I just can’t see that kind of an advance without something else being behind it.
So do you think that anyone who questions Obama’s qualifications under the Constitution to be President is a racist?
Dems vett presidential candidates? LOL! Where have you been? The Dems do not let facts get in the way or the law if they can get around it.
Hes now a legitimate candidate, at least on those grounds.
So anyone can be president of the United States. The Dims can pick anyone as long as he can fool the American voting public.
You certainly assume a lot of efficiency on the part of the Democrat party.
Just so. He could have been born in Philadelphia on the Fourth of July. He may be a US citizen but he is no American.
It's sort of a new twist on the old story line of "son of immigrants makes good"
I can see the headlines now....
But ANY American should be able to prove to the satisfaction of their fellow citizens that they Constitutionally meet the requirements to serve as President.
That is not racism, that is not unreasonable, that is absolutely proper.
A person gets pulled over by a cop, do you think the cop is going to let them go just because the driver says “I don’t have to show you my license, I have a license to drive, and it’s valid, and up todate, no problems!”
Uh uh. That officer is going to say “Let’s see the license.”
HUH? Well, no--but it'll sure get spun that way. Particularly if the Democrat Dirty Tricks Squad is behind the controversy from the start.
I mean, look how Obama works the subject of race into everything. It's always Subject #1.
Nope. Just embarrass the 'rat party and frustrate the international socialist cabal who is running him.
The "country" (Americans usually say "nation") would take it in stride.
But what is being attempted here, is a racially motivated - I’ll repeat that - racially motivated attempt to disqualify him on the most chicken-shit grounds imaginable. Similar in every way to the old voting laws used in segregated states a half century ago.
Your theory interests me. We don’t trust your candidate. We have reasons that you find objectionable. Your reaction to a view different than your own is to state that we are racists.
Because Obama has put up a document on his website that many reasonable people find lacks credibility- you jump to the conclusion those people are racist? It might interest you to know that earlier this year when the question of John McCain’s “natural citizenship” came under scrutiny there were many freepers who thought- and still do from what I’ve seen recently- that HE is not eligible for many of the same kinds of questions raised about your candidate. Are they racists?
Racism is a damned serious charge in my book, and not a charge to throw at your political opponents without serious thought and examination.
Could it be he didn’t register for the draft? Somewhere,
I read about that one...
It’s just really strange to me that the Democratic party would put someone in as their nominee such Obama. He doesn’t fit. I don’t care how you add it; subject it, multiply it or divide it. He doesn’t fit.
That could be, but I don’t see how the song-and-dance over the birth certificate keeps anyone off of that scent.
Also, he is just plain strange.
I read a pretty good line a few days ago...don't know if I saw it here on FR.
"Obama walked through every door that was opened for him."
He had to have been plucked from obscurity and relentlously groomed to get where he is so quickly--wonder which bigshot was behind this very linear effort? Emmanuel? It's like he was drafted as soon as he got out of law school. Somebody noticed his charm (well, he must be charming to have charmed so many), charisma and color and slicked him up for the Derby.
And our horse is old, sick, bad-tempered...
Weren’t the old voting rights laws following the Constitution? Please. I can’t be fooled.
Who’s my candidate? As far as I know I don’t have one.
a) The real birth certificate (original, not what a current record would show) would show that his stories of being the offspring of a poor goat-herder are lies, and thus his entire myth would be crushed
b) By letting people on the right speculate for an extended period they can wait and then, when they do produce the original birth certificate, completely discredit large parts of the right
I am leaning towards B, with the belief they are waiting until some mainstream reporters, and perhaps politicians, are caught in the net, so it has a greater impact.
As it stands the only people they would discredit now are a few small time Internet reporters, bloggers and “Israeli Insider” which, frankly, nobody had ever heard of before now.
Well, since you brought it up, this Einstein of a blogger named AJStrata, thinks he’s just invented the wheel, while having the gaul to crack on my research, calling it “Poor.”
I won’t stoop to his level, but all I have to say about him and his worthless drivel is that
(a) he is a liar (or Superman in disguise).
(b) he does not know what he is talking about.
(c) he has only read my first post, and
(d) he’s only proven one thing, and that is (e) All of the above.
No more than I assume about the Republicans or conversatives. What were you doing all this time...or is walking down Constitution avenue and chewing gum at the same time beyond your capabilities?
I don’t give a s**t whether you believe me or not.
re: “... outright rage and huge cynicism that would be rife in this country for many years should Obama be disqualified on some technicality.”
(1) Some technicality? Uh, it’s Article II of the US Constitution, not some obscure administrative regulation. In other words, the description “some technicality” does not seem apt.
(2) Sure, there might be rage and cynicism if Obama was rightly disqualified. That pales to insignificance beside the rage and cynicism that would occur should Obama, or anyone else, be shown to be an illegitimate candidate, and to become, or remain, president anyway. Your not-so-subtle reference to race riots are laughable, when compared to the likelihood of civil war.
You write “You are probably the ones that have never been IN a race riot.” I’ve been in a riot, and it was pretty annoying, what with untrained hand to hand fighting around the edges, and small arms fire and the like. I’ve also been in the beginning stages of a civil war, when regular military forces clashed with each other, and martial law was imposed, and there were no communications, and heavy weapons moved to position, and military roadblocks were set up, and gunships flew overhead, and water and electricity was cut off, and hospitals were closed to enemies of the state (that last bit struck me particularly, probably because I am a doctor). As I write this, I am remembering watching a pickup truck heavily loaded with wounded and dead young people, all covered in blood and mud, with a screaming bloody maniac at the wheel, ramming its way past military guards into a hospital ER for treatment of the wounded, while a skyscraper burned in the background. Yeah, I’ve been in a riot, and I’ve been in worse, and, if forced to make a choice, I’ll choose the riot rather than the worse.
Where's the licensed mind reader who will back up your assertion?
Obama also thinks that repeating a lie makes it true, but it doesn't. If any candidate, of any background, in either party, were born under similar circumstances, this would be a legitimate question.
attempt to disqualify him on the most chicken-shit grounds imaginable
If you were right, this should be familiar to Obama, who used what some might call " c-s-" grounds to disqualify his black Democratic opponents in earlier races. Was he racist?
Similar in every way to the old voting laws used in segregated states a half century ago.
Not really. But it is similar to requiring that voters in presidential elections be citizens.
Excuse my error. I read further down the thread that you have no candidate.
Regardless- your accusations of racism are without merit.
I am NOT saying that if Obama faked the birth certificate that he should not be disqualified.
All I’m saying is that the repercussions of this tactic would be pretty destructive.
Simple reality-we would have to go through a period in this country all over again that we went through forty years ago.
I’m just plain too old for all that stress and strife anymore.
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On the accusation of racism, you could very well be right. I can't read minds and I certainly am aware that that accusation is thrown around far, far too often.
But in this case I believe it is justified. On another forum I read a black man's response to my claim that racism was racism whether it occurred in the south or north, whether it was directed at blacks or whites, and that everyone was racist to some extent.
He, who had lived in both south and north, said no. It was not true that racism was the same everywhere - neither in frequency nor intensity. That it was much more frequent and virulent in the south.
The connection between that and my post is not direct...and I would have to struggle to explain it in detail...but it is there and I feel strongly enough about it to express it.