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Is There Legitimate Doubt About Obama's Eligibility to be President?
The Corner on National Review Online ^ | 7/6/2008 | Andy McCarthy

Posted on 07/06/2008 10:47:57 AM PDT by Aria

I had not caught up until today with this apparent controversy over whether the Hawaii birth certificate proffered by Obama's campaign is a forgery and whether there are legitimate questions about whether he was born in the United States — if he wasn't, he almost certainly would not be qualified under the Constitution and relevant immigration statutes to be president. Our Jim Geraghty seemed to pooh-pooh the birth certificate controversy about a week ago, but according to the above cited report (at a site called DougRoss@Journal) and a new one from Israeli Insider, there are new developments, and the Obama campaign appears to be stonewalling. Shouldn't it be a fairly easy matter to prove he was born in Hawaii if he really was? Why wouldn't Obama just end this quickly?

Is there anything to this?

ADDENDUM: I should add to the above that I am not a conspiracy theorist. My predisposition on the many stories floating around about Obama and his circle is to ignore them on the following theory: If there was really anything to this or that, the Clintons would have found it and gotten their media friends all over it. This story about Obama's eligibility puzzles me because (a) it is so basic, (b) it should be so easy to prove the relevant facts of his birth, (c) the Obama campaign's response to the story is bizarre, and (d) it seems to be getting worse rather than resolved.

07/06 12:09 PM


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; forgery; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamatruthfile
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To: liberallarry
"But what is being attempted here, is a racially motivated - I'll repeat that - racially motivated attempt to disqualify him on the most chicken-shit grounds imaginable."

I suppose you have some proof of that allegation and will post it immediately.

And, for the record, since when is following Constitutional and legal requirements considered 'chicken-shit grounds'?

101 posted on 07/06/2008 12:26:59 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde ("When the government fears the people there is liberty ... " Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Aria

Shoot...if he had a REAL and VALID certificate..it would have been out there weeks ago...as it is..what’s he got to lose by trying to see if he can scam one by.....


102 posted on 07/06/2008 12:27:02 PM PDT by mo
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To: liberallarry; All
This is just ridiculous. Had he been exposed as an illegitimate candidate the Democrats never would have selected him.
If a Michelle tape surfaces, or Obama is exposed as a hopeless flip-flop artist, or has yet unrevealed ties to criminals like Rezco, he'll lose and his supporters, though bitterly disappointed, will accept it.
But what is being attempted here, is a racially motivated - I'll repeat that - racially motivated attempt to disqualify him on the most chicken-shit grounds imaginable. Similar in every way to the old voting laws used in segregated states a half century ago.
You're not fooling anybody but yourselves.


"I'm Senator Obama-lama-ding-dong, and I approved this infantile spew from LiberalLarry"
[nice job Larry, be sure to call up for the conference call tonight, ok? - Barry]

103 posted on 07/06/2008 12:27:03 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: Bommer
This could very well sink him and give Hillary another chance if it starts blowing up! Don't wait on McCain to do anything; wimp.

Late September is a good time for it to blow up on Obama.

104 posted on 07/06/2008 12:27:39 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Fizzie

We need to read the UNAVAILABLE 1995 version of his book. What is in the 1995 original version that was edited out of the Re-released version.


105 posted on 07/06/2008 12:27:46 PM PDT by ncfool (Hopefully we will see the birth certificate. Obama the Manchurian Candidate .)
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To: mkjessup

I do believe in the law. Absolutely. But I also believe in being realistic...and in seeing through pretense.

The moment he declared his candidacy he should have been investigated...and I’m sure he was. In my mind that time is over. Passed. The Statute of Limitations has expired.

He’s now a legitimate candidate, at least on those grounds.


106 posted on 07/06/2008 12:29:29 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: lgwdnbdgr
Nobody cares about this outside of the right wing blogosphere.

You are leaving out the Hillary bloggers and fans.

107 posted on 07/06/2008 12:32:11 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: mkjessup

If my stuff was infantile (and that’s only your opinion) you’v e exceeded it in every way.


108 posted on 07/06/2008 12:32:14 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
But what is being attempted here, is a racially motivated - I'll repeat that - racially motivated attempt to disqualify him on the most chicken-sh** grounds imaginable.

That has to be the most stupid comment I've read! Since when is proving your a US Citizen "racially motivated?" Your KOS buddys played the exact same card on McCain, and were immediately shotdown! Where were your pathetic crys of racism then? Exposing fraud of a liar no matter the race is truth! You sound like the same Lib fraud voting idiots in Atlanta that screamed 'racism' when asked to flash a drivers license to prove they are who they clami they are in order to vote!

109 posted on 07/06/2008 12:32:16 PM PDT by Bommer (A Third Party can win when Republicans and Democraps stand for the same thing!)
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To: motoman

I don’t think you have to be a big Obama supporter to understand the outright rage and huge cynicism that would be rife in this country for many years should Obama be disqualified on some technicality.
It would set back race relations decades.The entire fabric of the nation would be hurt beyond what we can even conceive of now.It would be 1967 all over again and the mantra of black America would be”whitey has tricked us again”.
Some might say.”So what,let them steam”You are probably the ones that have never been IN a race riot.
A very frightening event,indeed.


110 posted on 07/06/2008 12:34:12 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: SECURE AMERICA

And in addition to that, he is an incompetent, ignorant, and un-American airhead.


111 posted on 07/06/2008 12:36:08 PM PDT by mulligan (A)
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To: Aria
Remember this?

Obama passport records kerfluffle

In order to obtain a U.S. passport one must provide a birth certificate as proof of citizenship in the U.S.

Connection?

AV

112 posted on 07/06/2008 12:36:29 PM PDT by Atomic Vomit (He's eating my brain. I can feel it.)
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To: Bommer
Sorry no. I can't vote for Obama because I despise the anti-war left and fear I'd be voting for Wright or Farrakhan or both.
I can't vote for McCain because I can't stand his domestic policies or his temperament. Or - really being politically incorrect - because he's too old, too short, too fat, and too ugly.
So I have no one to vote for and no allies, KOS or otherwise.

But I do love my country anyway and I do not want to see it torn apart by a bunch of sore losers...and I'm speaking to you and those who think like you.

113 posted on 07/06/2008 12:37:03 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

Anyone who lived through that terrible 1967-68 period does NOT want to relive it-that is,if they are sane.


114 posted on 07/06/2008 12:37:16 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: liberallarry; All
I do believe in the law. Absolutely. But I also believe in being realistic...and in seeing through pretense.

The law is the law pal. Don't try and parse it.

The moment he declared his candidacy he should have been investigated...and I’m sure he was. In my mind

THERE is your problem. "In your mind" does NOT meet the test of the Law.

that time is over. Passed. The Statute of Limitations has expired.

You bloody idiot, there is no 'statute of limitations' on the Constitutional requirements for the Presidency! WTF is wrong with you?

He’s now a legitimate candidate, at least on those grounds.

Not until it is proven to the satisfaction of the Constitution.
115 posted on 07/06/2008 12:38:42 PM PDT by mkjessup (Larry? When you're in a hole, the first thing you need to do is STOP DIGGING.)
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To: liberallarry; All
If my stuff was infantile (and that’s only your opinion) you’ve exceeded it in every way.

Go back and look at that absurd post of yours at #95. You have basically accused anyone raising questions about Obama's qualifications to be President under the Constitution's requirements of being a racist.

You might as well be joining 'Reverend' Jeremiah Wright in a rousing chorus of 'God D*mn America'.

You make me sick.
116 posted on 07/06/2008 12:41:35 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: liberallarry

Sore losers my ass! This is about constitutional elegibility to be President pure and simple! Got news for you pal, the Left will try to tear the country apart with or without Obama!


117 posted on 07/06/2008 12:44:21 PM PDT by Bommer (A Third Party can win when Republicans and Democraps stand for the same thing!)
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To: liberallarry
Sorry no. I can't vote for Obama because I despise the anti-war left and fear I'd be voting for Wright or Farrakhan or both.

Sure you can, you're practically posting Obama 'stopthesmears' bulletins in this thread, I think you like the guy.

I can't vote for McCain because I can't stand his domestic policies or his temperament. Or - really being politically incorrect - because he's too old, too short, too fat, and too ugly.

Now THAT has got to be the clearest case of projection I've seen here on FR in a week.

So I have no one to vote for and no allies, KOS or otherwise.

So WTF are you trying to do in this thread then?
118 posted on 07/06/2008 12:46:23 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: 9YearLurker
what politician has ever tried—let alone succeeded—before in passing off a fictionalized account of his life as an autobiography?

Both Clintons passed off many lies about their respective pasts as truthful--usually based on details which could not be checked and on the presence of people now dead. Never an occasion where there was a known living witness. Obama is not above taking this squalid practice to a new level. His ethics have been in the gutter since the outset.

119 posted on 07/06/2008 12:46:47 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: liberallarry
re: But what is being attempted here, is a racially motivated - I'll repeat that - racially motivated attempt to disqualify him on the most chicken-shit grounds imaginable. Similar in every way to the old voting laws used in segregated states a half century ago.)))

Which is why I suspect a put-on and a set-up by the Moveon crowd. Sort of like planting a noose on your own doorknob and screaming "racist"!

Still, it's not remotely unreasonable to request any candidate's birth records.

120 posted on 07/06/2008 12:46:59 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: kittymyrib

What I’m most perplexed by is the huge advance he got on his first book, just out of law school, I believe. Even if a publisher were taken in by the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review angle, I just can’t see that kind of an advance without something else being behind it.


121 posted on 07/06/2008 12:47:20 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Mamzelle

So do you think that anyone who questions Obama’s qualifications under the Constitution to be President is a racist?


122 posted on 07/06/2008 12:48:27 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: liberallarry
The moment he declared his candidacy he should have been investigated...and I’m sure he was. In my mind that time is over. Passed. The Statute of Limitations has expired.

Dems vett presidential candidates? LOL! Where have you been? The Dems do not let facts get in the way or the law if they can get around it.

He’s now a legitimate candidate, at least on those grounds.

So anyone can be president of the United States. The Dims can pick anyone as long as he can fool the American voting public.

123 posted on 07/06/2008 12:48:50 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: liberallarry
re: The moment he declared his candidacy he should have been investigated...and I’m sure he was. In my mind that time is over. Passed. The Statute of Limitations has expired.)))

You certainly assume a lot of efficiency on the part of the Democrat party.

124 posted on 07/06/2008 12:49:12 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: SECURE AMERICA
The legitimate question on Obama is that he is not QUALIFIED to be an American President because he is more a SOCIALIST then he is an American

Just so. He could have been born in Philadelphia on the Fourth of July. He may be a US citizen but he is no American.

125 posted on 07/06/2008 12:49:51 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Aria
If elected, Obama might be the first US president whose parents were so eager to relocate to live thousands of miles away from the US.

It's sort of a new twist on the old story line of "son of immigrants makes good"
I can see the headlines now....

Son of Emigrants Makes Good.

126 posted on 07/06/2008 12:50:17 PM PDT by syriacus (Democrats got THEIR "change" in Election 2006. Are WE better off now?)
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To: hinckley buzzard; All

But ANY American should be able to prove to the satisfaction of their fellow citizens that they Constitutionally meet the requirements to serve as President.

That is not racism, that is not unreasonable, that is absolutely proper.

A person gets pulled over by a cop, do you think the cop is going to let them go just because the driver says “I don’t have to show you my license, I have a license to drive, and it’s valid, and up todate, no problems!”

Uh uh. That officer is going to say “Let’s see the license.”


127 posted on 07/06/2008 12:51:52 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: mkjessup
re: So do you think that anyone who questions Obama’s qualifications under the Constitution to be President is a raci)))

HUH? Well, no--but it'll sure get spun that way. Particularly if the Democrat Dirty Tricks Squad is behind the controversy from the start.

I mean, look how Obama works the subject of race into everything. It's always Subject #1.

128 posted on 07/06/2008 12:52:21 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: liberallarry
Disqualifying him on those grounds now - even if legitimate - would tear the country apart.

Nope. Just embarrass the 'rat party and frustrate the international socialist cabal who is running him.

The "country" (Americans usually say "nation") would take it in stride.

129 posted on 07/06/2008 12:52:21 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: liberallarry

But what is being attempted here, is a racially motivated - I’ll repeat that - racially motivated attempt to disqualify him on the most chicken-shit grounds imaginable. Similar in every way to the old voting laws used in segregated states a half century ago.


Your theory interests me. We don’t trust your candidate. We have reasons that you find objectionable. Your reaction to a view different than your own is to state that we are racists.

Because Obama has put up a document on his website that many reasonable people find lacks credibility- you jump to the conclusion those people are racist? It might interest you to know that earlier this year when the question of John McCain’s “natural citizenship” came under scrutiny there were many freepers who thought- and still do from what I’ve seen recently- that HE is not eligible for many of the same kinds of questions raised about your candidate. Are they racists?

Racism is a damned serious charge in my book, and not a charge to throw at your political opponents without serious thought and examination.


130 posted on 07/06/2008 12:53:00 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Redcloak

Could it be he didn’t register for the draft? Somewhere,
I read about that one...


131 posted on 07/06/2008 12:53:34 PM PDT by DCMB (Bless GWB and all our troops)
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To: saganite

It’s just really strange to me that the Democratic party would put someone in as their nominee such Obama. He doesn’t fit. I don’t care how you add it; subject it, multiply it or divide it. He doesn’t fit.


132 posted on 07/06/2008 12:54:43 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: DCMB

That could be, but I don’t see how the song-and-dance over the birth certificate keeps anyone off of that scent.


133 posted on 07/06/2008 12:54:50 PM PDT by Redcloak ("Yes, I have been drinking. Why do you ask?" #1 on the list of "Things heard from McCain voters")
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To: ncfool

Giggle.


134 posted on 07/06/2008 12:55:43 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: saganite

Also, he is just plain strange.


135 posted on 07/06/2008 12:56:46 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: 9YearLurker
re: What I’m most perplexed by is the huge advance he got on his first book, just out of law school, I believe. Even if a publisher were taken in by the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review angle, I just can’t see that kind of an advance without something else being behind it.)))

I read a pretty good line a few days ago...don't know if I saw it here on FR.

"Obama walked through every door that was opened for him."

He had to have been plucked from obscurity and relentlously groomed to get where he is so quickly--wonder which bigshot was behind this very linear effort? Emmanuel? It's like he was drafted as soon as he got out of law school. Somebody noticed his charm (well, he must be charming to have charmed so many), charisma and color and slicked him up for the Derby.

And our horse is old, sick, bad-tempered...

136 posted on 07/06/2008 12:57:31 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Weren’t the old voting rights laws following the Constitution? Please. I can’t be fooled.


137 posted on 07/06/2008 1:03:14 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: SE Mom

Who’s my candidate? As far as I know I don’t have one.


138 posted on 07/06/2008 1:04:24 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: tsali
I believe there is a reason the Obama campaign hasn't just put this to bed.

Either

a) The real birth certificate (original, not what a current record would show) would show that his stories of being the offspring of a poor goat-herder are lies, and thus his entire myth would be crushed

or

b) By letting people on the right speculate for an extended period they can wait and then, when they do produce the original birth certificate, completely discredit large parts of the right

I am leaning towards B, with the belief they are waiting until some mainstream reporters, and perhaps politicians, are caught in the net, so it has a greater impact.

As it stands the only people they would discredit now are a few small time Internet reporters, bloggers and “Israeli Insider” which, frankly, nobody had ever heard of before now.

139 posted on 07/06/2008 1:04:32 PM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: piytar

Well, since you brought it up, this Einstein of a blogger named AJStrata, thinks he’s just invented the wheel, while having the gaul to crack on my research, calling it “Poor.”

I won’t stoop to his level, but all I have to say about him and his worthless drivel is that

(a) he is a liar (or Superman in disguise).

(b) he does not know what he is talking about.

(c) he has only read my first post, and

(d) he’s only proven one thing, and that is (e) All of the above.


140 posted on 07/06/2008 1:04:52 PM PDT by Polarik (The Greater Evil)
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To: Mamzelle

No more than I assume about the Republicans or conversatives. What were you doing all this time...or is walking down Constitution avenue and chewing gum at the same time beyond your capabilities?


141 posted on 07/06/2008 1:06:23 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: mkjessup

I don’t give a s**t whether you believe me or not.


142 posted on 07/06/2008 1:08:12 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Riverman94610

re: “... outright rage and huge cynicism that would be rife in this country for many years should Obama be disqualified on some technicality.”

(1) Some technicality? Uh, it’s Article II of the US Constitution, not some obscure administrative regulation. In other words, the description “some technicality” does not seem apt.

(2) Sure, there might be rage and cynicism if Obama was rightly disqualified. That pales to insignificance beside the rage and cynicism that would occur should Obama, or anyone else, be shown to be an illegitimate candidate, and to become, or remain, president anyway. Your not-so-subtle reference to race riots are laughable, when compared to the likelihood of civil war.

You write “You are probably the ones that have never been IN a race riot.” I’ve been in a riot, and it was pretty annoying, what with untrained hand to hand fighting around the edges, and small arms fire and the like. I’ve also been in the beginning stages of a civil war, when regular military forces clashed with each other, and martial law was imposed, and there were no communications, and heavy weapons moved to position, and military roadblocks were set up, and gunships flew overhead, and water and electricity was cut off, and hospitals were closed to enemies of the state (that last bit struck me particularly, probably because I am a doctor). As I write this, I am remembering watching a pickup truck heavily loaded with wounded and dead young people, all covered in blood and mud, with a screaming bloody maniac at the wheel, ramming its way past military guards into a hospital ER for treatment of the wounded, while a skyscraper burned in the background. Yeah, I’ve been in a riot, and I’ve been in worse, and, if forced to make a choice, I’ll choose the riot rather than the worse.


143 posted on 07/06/2008 1:11:22 PM PDT by Jubal Harshaw
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To: liberallarry
But what is being attempted here, is a racially motivated - I'll repeat that - racially motivated.

Where's the licensed mind reader who will back up your assertion?

Obama also thinks that repeating a lie makes it true, but it doesn't. If any candidate, of any background, in either party, were born under similar circumstances, this would be a legitimate question.

attempt to disqualify him on the most chicken-shit grounds imaginable

If you were right, this should be familiar to Obama, who used what some might call " c-s-" grounds to disqualify his black Democratic opponents in earlier races. Was he racist?

Similar in every way to the old voting laws used in segregated states a half century ago.

Not really. But it is similar to requiring that voters in presidential elections be citizens.

144 posted on 07/06/2008 1:12:18 PM PDT by syriacus (Democrats got THEIR "change" in Election 2006. Are WE better off now?)
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To: liberallarry

Excuse my error. I read further down the thread that you have no candidate.

Regardless- your accusations of racism are without merit.


145 posted on 07/06/2008 1:12:53 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: liberallarry
I don’t give a s**t whether you believe me or not.

I believe that you don't give a sh*t.
That would explain why you're so utterly full of it.

Liberals lie. Your screen name alone speaks volumes.
146 posted on 07/06/2008 1:14:17 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: Jubal Harshaw

I am NOT saying that if Obama faked the birth certificate that he should not be disqualified.
All I’m saying is that the repercussions of this tactic would be pretty destructive.
Simple reality-we would have to go through a period in this country all over again that we went through forty years ago.
I’m just plain too old for all that stress and strife anymore.


147 posted on 07/06/2008 1:14:21 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: Mamzelle
Re: So do you think that anyone who questions Obama’s qualifications under the Constitution to be President is a racist?
HUH? Well, no--but it'll sure get spun that way. Particularly if the Democrat Dirty Tricks Squad is behind the controversy from the start.


My question to you was based more on the infantile babblings of our liberal friend here in this thread, but I agree with you: anything of a legitimate nature that is raised regarding ANY qualification or fitness for Obama-lama-ding-dong to serve as President will be painted as latent (or blatant) "racism".

I mean, look how Obama works the subject of race into everything. It's always Subject #1.

Even for his white Grandmother.
148 posted on 07/06/2008 1:25:34 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: Mamzelle

“I live in a county that went over 60% Bush. I have yet to see one McCain bumpersticker —and there are plenty for Obama.”

Ohio here....

See No bumper stickers for ANYONE...........
Notta... None 0 000000

weird.....


149 posted on 07/06/2008 1:28:20 PM PDT by Thinkin
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To: SE Mom
Apology accepted. No harm, no foul.

On the accusation of racism, you could very well be right. I can't read minds and I certainly am aware that that accusation is thrown around far, far too often.

But in this case I believe it is justified. On another forum I read a black man's response to my claim that racism was racism whether it occurred in the south or north, whether it was directed at blacks or whites, and that everyone was racist to some extent.

He, who had lived in both south and north, said no. It was not true that racism was the same everywhere - neither in frequency nor intensity. That it was much more frequent and virulent in the south.

The connection between that and my post is not direct...and I would have to struggle to explain it in detail...but it is there and I feel strongly enough about it to express it.

150 posted on 07/06/2008 1:33:55 PM PDT by liberallarry
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