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Is There Legitimate Doubt About Obama's Eligibility to be President?
The Corner on National Review Online ^ | 7/6/2008 | Andy McCarthy

Posted on 07/06/2008 10:47:57 AM PDT by Aria

I had not caught up until today with this apparent controversy over whether the Hawaii birth certificate proffered by Obama's campaign is a forgery and whether there are legitimate questions about whether he was born in the United States — if he wasn't, he almost certainly would not be qualified under the Constitution and relevant immigration statutes to be president. Our Jim Geraghty seemed to pooh-pooh the birth certificate controversy about a week ago, but according to the above cited report (at a site called DougRoss@Journal) and a new one from Israeli Insider, there are new developments, and the Obama campaign appears to be stonewalling. Shouldn't it be a fairly easy matter to prove he was born in Hawaii if he really was? Why wouldn't Obama just end this quickly?

Is there anything to this?

ADDENDUM: I should add to the above that I am not a conspiracy theorist. My predisposition on the many stories floating around about Obama and his circle is to ignore them on the following theory: If there was really anything to this or that, the Clintons would have found it and gotten their media friends all over it. This story about Obama's eligibility puzzles me because (a) it is so basic, (b) it should be so easy to prove the relevant facts of his birth, (c) the Obama campaign's response to the story is bizarre, and (d) it seems to be getting worse rather than resolved.

07/06 12:09 PM


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; forgery; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamatruthfile
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To: Atomic Vomit
“In order to obtain a U.S. passport one must provide a birth certificate as proof of citizenship in the U.S.”

That's not completely correct; proof of citizenship is what you must provide. BC, or naturalization papers, a report of American birth overseas, and so forth. For the latter, the only birth overseas that qualifies as “natural-born” is to children born to American citizens in US territories, protectorates or on US military installations, embassies etc.

151 posted on 07/06/2008 1:34:37 PM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: Polarik; Bahbah; pissant; All

Check THIS out kids:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-tech-expe.html


152 posted on 07/06/2008 1:38:43 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: stig

“That’s a good one. Upholding the constitution will tear the country apart.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well, I don’t know, the Supreme Court just upheld the second amendment and it has some people acting as if their livers have been ripped out 80)


153 posted on 07/06/2008 1:39:14 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: liberallarry

LOL! You’re a liberal ... you live your life being played for a fool. Happy race-baiting to you.


154 posted on 07/06/2008 1:39:52 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde ("When the government fears the people there is liberty ... " Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mamzelle

Also in SE Ohio and I haven’t seen a yard sign nor a bumper sticker yet? It is weird!

Bck to the birt certificte.... It is weird that his campaign hasn’t produced it yet. Does make you wnder what they are hiding? is it his father listed as muslim, is it he was born in Africa like his brother has said or or or??? It does make you wonder!


155 posted on 07/06/2008 1:43:51 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Logical me

but 2/3 of Americans are brain dead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I used to rail against Clinton during his administration, now I just blame our brain dead voters, Obama is truly only the symptom, the disease is the leftist programming that has robbed so many of the ability to think. Just twenty years ago someone like Obama would have been nothing more than a one percent fringe candidate joke.


156 posted on 07/06/2008 1:49:25 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: EEDUDE
“I live in a county that went over 60% Bush. I have yet to see one McCain bumpersticker —and there are plenty for Obama.”

Same here. Not one.


Thats because Republicans know that Democrats will vandalize an auto with Republican bumperstickers. Whereas Republicans DON'T vandalize Democrats cars. I guess we already feel sorry for their stupidity.
157 posted on 07/06/2008 1:49:48 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: Riverman94610

Riverman,

If this does in fact develop to be true, the American public would have EVERY RIGHT to be enraged and collectively disqualify this candidate from running for the POTUS!!

Only someone, who is blindly worshipping this person would attempt to characterize a complete breach of our Constitution as a “technicality”.

Imagine the complete chaos and anarchy that would exist in this country if anyone could simply subvert the constitution by rationalizing a criminal act as a “technicality” every time a public official breaks the law.

Wake UP.


158 posted on 07/06/2008 1:55:32 PM PDT by motoman
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To: Aria

It’s a technique:

Divert attention from the shocking truth by floating stories of shocking lies. Then, no one will believe the shocking truth.


159 posted on 07/06/2008 1:57:29 PM PDT by donna (We live in this fog of political correctness, where everything is perpetual deception.-John Hagee)
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To: ChocChipCookie

Being a citizen is not enough. The constitution requires he be a “natural born citizen”.

I adopted three kids from other countries, who are all citizens. However, none can become President. I’m not sure whether being born of a citizen on foreign soil qualifies. It may; I’m just not sure.


160 posted on 07/06/2008 2:04:49 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: EEDUDE

“Have you ever gotten to the point in your life where you thought that the best thing that could happen is that the whole thing burns to the ground and you’d get to start over?”

Disturbing. I thought I was the only one who thought that way.


161 posted on 07/06/2008 2:10:51 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: cruise_missile

Wow.


162 posted on 07/06/2008 2:13:52 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: Mamzelle

I agree with you on that. There is a lot we should know about the candidates that is hidden.


163 posted on 07/06/2008 2:17:15 PM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: motoman

Can’t anyone request an official copy of his birth certificate? It’s just a simple public record, isn’t it?

I’ve been able to get copies of the birth certificates of all my children, my parents and my deceased grandparents just for the asking and a nominal fee.


164 posted on 07/06/2008 2:23:13 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: cruise_missile

The artist’s mark: Andre the Giant’s face in a star. “OBEY”. The Giant poster is just skateboarder art, and the same artist has done the famous Obama posters as well. Not marxism, just marketable art for the skateboarder market.


165 posted on 07/06/2008 2:24:45 PM PDT by bvw
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To: freespirited

Perhaps someone would redact a certification number because someone else may have the same number.

Just a thought.


166 posted on 07/06/2008 2:26:43 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: Riverman94610
River -

One more point. Thus far, Obama’s candidacy has done everything EXCEPT improve race relations in our country. He will never be able to undo the damage he has caused by his own words in his released books, not to mention the racist church he attended for over 20 years and his completely racist supporters who are using his candidacy to further their hate filled causes - Louis Farrakhan, Hamas, various U.S. state communists organizations to name just a few.

And the biggest irony of his anti-white racist supporters is the fact that he, himself, is leading the greatest racist genocide against his own, black race - through his stance on ABORTION - which incredibly, is massacring blacks at a rate 3-times that of the overall rate in the US. There has never been a more radically pro-death candidate for the POTUS in our country's history! Yes - he'd rather tap into “black politics” align himself with the black democrats in this country, who support the ethnic cleansing of their own people at 3X the national rate through abortion. If he was any kind of a real man, he would throw this ugly truth back in the faces of these black racist leaders who are using this misery in the black population for their own, destructive quest for power. This incredible deception perfectly demonstrates the meaning of the phrase - “Intrinsically Evil”

167 posted on 07/06/2008 2:26:56 PM PDT by motoman
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To: liberallarry
Do you really mean all this stuff, or are you just trying to caricature liberals in general?
168 posted on 07/06/2008 2:29:20 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: liberallarry
Do you really mean all this stuff, or are you just trying to caricature liberals in general?
169 posted on 07/06/2008 2:29:51 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: keats5
All this stuff?

I certainly mean that disqualifying Obama on these grounds at this time would tear the country apart and shouldn't be attempted.

I'm far less certain about motives but my gut feeling is that I'm right.

You can apply that to other liberals as you choose.

170 posted on 07/06/2008 2:34:17 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: keats5
Keats5 - I believe that on Monday, July 7, a member of FR stated someone associated with this investigation would be making a formal request for his U.S. BC under the Freedom of Information Act. If the state of HI refuses under the grounds of personal privacy to support the request, it is not clear as to what the next step would be. At any rate, the Obama campaign could simply resolve this by producing an authentic, non-forged document. At his point, I simply cannot see any advantage as to why they would allow this to drag out if such a BC existed. This story is now making its way into the upper echelon of the internet news sites and other blogs. It is now all over Youtube (don't laugh) which in recent history, has been the precursor to top sites such as Drudge, WND, and others.
171 posted on 07/06/2008 2:34:43 PM PDT by motoman
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To: keats5; EEDUDE

“Have you ever gotten to the point in your life where you thought that the best thing that could happen is that the whole thing burns to the ground and you’d get to start over?”

I think that is part of the thinking of not voting for McCain even if it means Obabma gets in. (Better to go up in a kitchen fire rather than being slowing boiled like a frog in the pot of water.)

Actually - I was wishing it was an old quote from Obama!


172 posted on 07/06/2008 2:36:30 PM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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To: keats5

“Disturbing. I thought I was the only one who thought that way.”

LOL. I suspect there are more than a few of us this year.


173 posted on 07/06/2008 2:36:52 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: SE Mom

Thanks.

Saw that.

I suppose it’s always possible that the Obama campaign is pulling a fast one, but if that’s the case, it’s a pretty dumb one.

I mean, what are they going to do. Pull the BC out of a hat, and say...hah hah, fooled ya?


174 posted on 07/06/2008 2:42:40 PM PDT by Bahbah (Typical white person)
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To: Nathan Zachary

What kind of birth certificate did he produce to get a passport when he travelled to Iraq in 2006 and to Kenya where he campaigned for his cousin? Did he use an American passport? If he did he had to produce a birth certificate.


175 posted on 07/06/2008 2:42:50 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: Mamzelle

My position is to not make a fuss about what is IN the birth certificate, and instead make a big fuss about why Obama won’t even release his birth certificate.

That way, we can beat on him mercilessly on his profound secrecy, and they best Obama can do is to give IN to our demands and release the document. Then if there is nothing we can ask why Obama felt it was so important to hide “nothing” from the people he claims to believe in.


176 posted on 07/06/2008 2:45:27 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Thud

If he was born in Kenya, as his father’s first wife claims, he may be eligible for dual citizenship. If he was born in Kenya was his birth registered there and then registered in HI? Just adding fuel to the fire.


177 posted on 07/06/2008 2:46:48 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: tillacum

Maybe Obama wants everyone to fuss about his birth certificate. If he has one from this country, he might not produce it until after the convention. He can use it as a publicity stunt. If he doesn’t have one, the Clintons probably know and have a plan in the works for Hillary.
Was his mother actually married when she gave birth to the Obama child?


178 posted on 07/06/2008 2:47:19 PM PDT by FreedBird
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To: CharlesWayneCT
re: My position is to not make a fuss about what is IN the birth certificate, and instead make a big fuss about why Obama won’t even release his birth certificate.)))

It's true that one ought to be careful.

"What's this controversy about birth certificates, anyway? All you have to do is notify the State of Hawaii that you give permission to see an official copy. You released your tax returns, your doctor's statement, why the secretive behavior with the birth certificate?"

179 posted on 07/06/2008 2:53:46 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: liberallarry
YOur comment: "I certainly mean that disqualifying Obama on these grounds at this time would tear the country apart and shouldn't be attempted." My response: Well, if in fact (and I know that is a big "if"), Obama is not qualified to be elected president, it would be a whole lot easier on the country to learn this before the election.
180 posted on 07/06/2008 2:55:06 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: Mamzelle
Call me Machiavellian, but I suspect a plot to embarrass Obama detractors. Let us make a big fuss about it, and then produce the authentic cert.

If the question was about Hillary's birth certificate - you'd be right. The Clinton's loved that game. But this? Nah -- Hillary hasn't released her delegates yet... who knows - maybe the Clinton's are behind this story.

181 posted on 07/06/2008 2:59:41 PM PDT by GOPJ (Hypocrisy doesnÂ’t apply to liberals according to the MSM - FreeperProud2BeRight)
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To: lgwdnbdgr
Is religion ever noted on Birth Certificates ?
182 posted on 07/06/2008 3:02:15 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Mamzelle

What was the fuss about Kerry’s military records when the Swift Boaters were screaming? Obama has special protection because the Mainstream Media is full of liberal Democrats who want him elected.


183 posted on 07/06/2008 3:02:34 PM PDT by FreedBird
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To: ncfool

Exactly, ncfool.
The 1995 version, which I recall sold a mere several hundred copies, should have a couple of goodies in it.
The “best seller” attribution to this book wasn’t acquired until after he made the DNC speech and became a superstar overnight.
That’s when I suspect the purchases of his re-released book were made in bulk, and made it a best-seller. (Also known as illegal campaign donations.) Michelle Obama attributes their finally being able to pay off their student loans (in their 40’s fer-God-sake)due to Barack’s “best-seller.”

When he wrote it, it sold a few hundred copies. I believe his motive for writing the book was to create and craft his history, not recount it. An extremely calculated move...considering he was 34 yrs old when it was originally published.


184 posted on 07/06/2008 3:04:58 PM PDT by Fizzie
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To: 9YearLurker

He wrote a bio before he wrote Audacity of Hope or Dreams of my father?


185 posted on 07/06/2008 3:05:17 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: mkjessup
But ANY American should be able to prove to the satisfaction of their fellow citizens that they Constitutionally meet the requirements to serve as President.
That is not racism, that is not unreasonable, that is absolutely proper.
A person gets pulled over by a cop, do you think the cop is going to let them go just because the driver says “I don’t have to show you my license, I have a license to drive, and it’s valid, and up todate, no problems!”
Uh uh. That officer is going to say “Let’s see the license.”

Exactly. And the officer will certainly go back to his patrol car and check out any odd-looking laser-produced copy of a driver's license.

We're talking about the position of Chief Executive and Commander-in-Chief of the United States of America here. Not some county selectman from East Podunk.

Why do you think doctors or lawyers hang all those framed certificates on the walls of their offices?

All we want is the presentation of a REAL Certificate of Birth--and not some ambiguous green, blacked-out, laser-generated abomination of a document.

Why can't the Obama people come up with an actual legit certificate that can be handed around and slapped down on the table?

Like these plain ordinary people can:


186 posted on 07/06/2008 3:05:31 PM PDT by henbane
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To: donna

The technique is to fool the fools and call it Change! When someone questions Change, brand them a racist! At the same time, sling mud at your oppontent, through a Democrat controlled Mainstream Media.


187 posted on 07/06/2008 3:06:54 PM PDT by FreedBird
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To: henbane
Why can't the Obama people come up with an actual legit certificate that can be handed around and slapped down on the table?

Because there is something they don't want exposed to the light of day.

And the longer they insist on Kerryizing the process (SIGN THE FORM 180 LURCH! remember that?), the worse it is going to be for them.

There are sharks in the water and Obama better quit surfing around the issue, and either spear the freakin' sharks, or swim like Hell for shore.

If the latter, he ain't gonna make it.
188 posted on 07/06/2008 3:11:12 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: FreedBird

Well if he was born in HI and if his mother was not married to his father, today that makes no difference. It proves he is a natural born American. But being the babe of an unmarried woman, and should he win the presidency, he will be our first legal bastard president. And that is a legal name for a babe born to an unmarried woman.


189 posted on 07/06/2008 3:13:07 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: tillacum

I’m talking about Dreams From My Father.


190 posted on 07/06/2008 3:17:16 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: keats5
At this time is the key to my comment. This should have been attempted long ago. If it wasn't done because of negligence that's too bad. It's too late now.
191 posted on 07/06/2008 3:18:33 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: FreedBird

They have more than one technique!


192 posted on 07/06/2008 3:19:46 PM PDT by donna (We live in this fog of political correctness, where everything is perpetual deception.-John Hagee)
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To: Riverman94610
"should Obama be disqualified on some technicality..
It would set back race relations decades"

If he is elected because he is black despite not being qualified then how many years would race relations be set back.. or advanced, in your opinion?


193 posted on 07/06/2008 3:27:01 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: motoman

Your last point first,motoman-Obama’s abortion position is the real deal breaker with me.Its an obscentity way beyond the whole Wright controversy,which,unlike most folks on this board,doesn’t upset me THAT much.I guess because I have been around tons of angry black men like Wright all my life and find a real irony there in that many of these roaring lions are like pussycats once you get to know them.Believe me,I look like the prototypical”honkie”and if they were gonna hate”Whitey”they would hate me to the fullest!
I think Obama’s candidacy has completely mellowed out black anger FOR NOW.Man,you should see where I work-the black employees are on a cloud nine mode.Very upbeat and optimistic.I think even if he loses in the Fall,blacks for the most part will accept that reality.
Yet if he gets derailed on this birth certificate issue,I think all bets are off!


194 posted on 07/06/2008 3:53:50 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: SE Mom

The guys and girls who make a living warning us about the dangers of communists and other ism, the average voter doesn’t care about have a lot to lose if the Obamination got disqualified.

Communists are terrible, but most American Voters could care less.

Those who say a forged Certificate Of Live Birth is no big deal, remind me of an uncle, who went to his grave moaning that Al Capone only went to jail for tax evasion.

My grandfather, whose wisdom was great, would tell his blathering SIL, “Grow up! No one cares. Capone is in jail and that is all that matters!”

If we can take out or disable the Communist/Islamofascist Change Merchant with this forged certificate, so be it. He is a double danger, a communist/socialist and Muslim in disguise. I don’t care what causes him to lose or drop out of the election just so he loses or drops out.

I’m seeing a lot of the same bs arguments that were advanced against our Swift Vets. Thank God, the Swift Vets helped derail that communist traitor SOB, Kerry.


195 posted on 07/06/2008 3:55:14 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (America's Mugabe, the Obamination.will bring Mugabe Change to America!)
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To: I see my hands

He can’t possible BE elected because he is black unless loads of whites and others agree with the Black Block.
If that IS the reason,it will be a hollow victory.Same with Hillary had she been the first woman elected.Once the party is over,the real work begins


196 posted on 07/06/2008 3:56:03 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: motoman

I AM awake but if there were any truth to this story,don’t you think Wolf and Fredrika and Hannity would at least MENTION the controversy,if only to increase their ratings?
In the end,this will turn out to be much ado about nothing.


197 posted on 07/06/2008 3:58:18 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: Riverman94610
No answer. Thought so.

198 posted on 07/06/2008 4:01:04 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: 21twelve

Letting OBama into the White House is like letting the fox into the hen house.

Because then you can forget about having any chickens “coming home to roost.”


199 posted on 07/06/2008 4:16:00 PM PDT by Polarik (The Greater Evil)
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To: penowa

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2040840/posts?page=24#24

Some don’t know that the founding fathers didn’t allow everyone to vote!


200 posted on 07/06/2008 4:25:05 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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