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Is There Legitimate Doubt About Obama's Eligibility to be President?
The Corner on National Review Online ^ | 7/6/2008 | Andy McCarthy

Posted on 07/06/2008 10:47:57 AM PDT by Aria

I had not caught up until today with this apparent controversy over whether the Hawaii birth certificate proffered by Obama's campaign is a forgery and whether there are legitimate questions about whether he was born in the United States — if he wasn't, he almost certainly would not be qualified under the Constitution and relevant immigration statutes to be president. Our Jim Geraghty seemed to pooh-pooh the birth certificate controversy about a week ago, but according to the above cited report (at a site called DougRoss@Journal) and a new one from Israeli Insider, there are new developments, and the Obama campaign appears to be stonewalling. Shouldn't it be a fairly easy matter to prove he was born in Hawaii if he really was? Why wouldn't Obama just end this quickly?

Is there anything to this?

ADDENDUM: I should add to the above that I am not a conspiracy theorist. My predisposition on the many stories floating around about Obama and his circle is to ignore them on the following theory: If there was really anything to this or that, the Clintons would have found it and gotten their media friends all over it. This story about Obama's eligibility puzzles me because (a) it is so basic, (b) it should be so easy to prove the relevant facts of his birth, (c) the Obama campaign's response to the story is bizarre, and (d) it seems to be getting worse rather than resolved.

07/06 12:09 PM


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; forgery; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamatruthfile
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1 posted on 07/06/2008 10:47:57 AM PDT by Aria
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To: Aria

It’s a forgery, so Andy is a bit behind


2 posted on 07/06/2008 10:49:01 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Aria

Maybe the Clintons did find it.


3 posted on 07/06/2008 10:51:18 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Aria

Obama is definitely hiding something. It is speculation as to what, but he is hiding something. I think Obama might have told some pretty big whoppers, and the real birth certificate would shine light on to those.


4 posted on 07/06/2008 10:52:09 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: pissant

I thought that guy didn’t flat out admit to forging Obama’s certificate but did admit to similar forgeries - is that right?


5 posted on 07/06/2008 10:52:19 AM PDT by Aria (Obama: Potluck for President! "I serve as a blank screen on which people..project their own views")
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To: Always Right

He’s telling several whoppers a week now, at least. But what politician has ever tried—let alone succeeded—before in passing off a fictionalized account of his life as an autobiography? I can’t believe the whole country is going along with the ruse!


6 posted on 07/06/2008 10:54:09 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Aria
re: Obama campaign appears to be stonewalling. Shouldn't it be a fairly easy matter to prove he was born in Hawaii if he really was? Why wouldn't Obama just end this quickly?)))

Call me Machiavellian, but I suspect a plot to embarrass Obama detractors. Let us make a big fuss about it, and then produce the authentic cert.

7 posted on 07/06/2008 10:54:56 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Aria
Happy birthday Barack,
Bred from Islamic stock,
You claim you're a citizen,
But that may be a crock.

8 posted on 07/06/2008 10:54:58 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Aria

I’ve noticed recently that when he gets done speaking, he has a vanguard of youmg pretty white Dembosluts surround him and guard him from anyone getting close to him. Reminds me of how rock stars would pay young girls to scream and squeal for them in front of the cameras. Gotta wonder who’s payroll they’re on?


9 posted on 07/06/2008 10:55:11 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: Aria
The ultra left dim establishment have probably already had a insider in the Hawaiian bureaucracy manufacture false documents that show “Barry” Hussein Mohammed Obama was born in Hawaii.
10 posted on 07/06/2008 10:55:11 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Just your average "Whitey" - bitterly clinging to my guns and religion.)
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To: Aria

The legitimate question on Obama is that he is not QUALIFIED to be an American President because he is more a SOCIALIST then he is an American


11 posted on 07/06/2008 10:55:30 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Got Freedom ? Thank a Veteran.........)
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To: Aria
This is the dumbest argument I've ever seen

If Obama wasn't a legitimate candidate he should have been disqualified during the long, LONG period he was running for the nomination.

Disqualifying him on those grounds now - even if legitimate - would tear the country apart.

12 posted on 07/06/2008 10:55:31 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: freekitty

The Clintons are masters at getting Republicans to do their dirty work.


13 posted on 07/06/2008 10:56:20 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Aria

The list of serious items that MAKE OBAMA TOTALLY UNFIT TO BE PRESIDENT AND C-IN-C is so long, it is really a joke. This is just one item, also a very serious one, which should be investigated to the hilt. The American people suffer enough criminal activity and corruption from Washington as it is. We don’t need any more. Our very fabric as a FREE NATION living under the protection of a Constitution, is under CONSTANT ATTACK by radical socialists and communists in our very ranks and government.

It is high time that REAL AMERICANS stand up and rid Washington of these nation-destroying communists and criminals who are tearing it down.


14 posted on 07/06/2008 10:56:30 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: 9YearLurker

Obama is beginning to remind me of the true story of Frank Abagnale Jr., the guy about whom the movie Catch Me if You Can was made. He pretended to be a pilot, a doctor, a lawyer and got away with it until the FBI (Tom Hanks) finally caught him.


15 posted on 07/06/2008 10:58:40 AM PDT by Aria (Obama: Potluck for President! "I serve as a blank screen on which people..project their own views")
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To: EagleUSA
Our very fabric as a FREE NATION living under the protection of a Constitution, is under CONSTANT ATTACK by radical socialists and communists in our very ranks and government.

My feelings precisely. Obammy has to be forced to answer these questions. I suspect that it has more to do with his racial classification than citizenship, but whatever, he needs to be held to account for all these questions surrounding his birth and citizenship.

16 posted on 07/06/2008 10:59:34 AM PDT by GunnyB (Once a Marine, Always a Marine)
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To: freekitty

The clinton’s are waiting until the week before to leak and discredit Obama. So the confusion will allow the Superdelegates to call for a floor vote. The rest will be history. Now is that a conspiracy therory?


17 posted on 07/06/2008 10:59:53 AM PDT by ncfool (Hopefully we will see the birth certificate. Obama the Manchurian Candidate .)
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To: liberallarry
Disqualifying him on those grounds now - even if legitimate - would tear the country apart.

That's a good one. Upholding the constitution will tear the country apart.

18 posted on 07/06/2008 11:00:10 AM PDT by stig
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To: Aria

Obama shouldn’t be President not because of a technicality but because of his total ineptitude on foreign policy through his desire to sit down with tyrants in Iran and turn tail in Iraq, his desire to ruin the economy through raising capital gains taxes, his total lack of a credible energy policy and his obsession with the non issue of climate change, his support for radical sexual activism, his total disregard of the value of lives of the unborn and the defenseless, and his desire to have the government take over the health care system. We do not have to reach to find out why Obama should not be President. Hit him on the issues. They are enough by themselves.


19 posted on 07/06/2008 11:00:25 AM PDT by Maelstorm (They will take our guns, take our money, take our children, and take our right to disagree.)
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To: Aria

“legitimate doubt about Obama’s qualifications to be President”?

There, I fixed it.

No doubts in my mind.


20 posted on 07/06/2008 11:00:45 AM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam. TWP VRWC)
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To: liberallarry

We have police and military for any temporary problems that might result and disqualifying him now - ON LEGITIMATE GROUNDS, if this story can be proven - would save the country.


21 posted on 07/06/2008 11:02:25 AM PDT by Postman
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To: 9YearLurker
I can’t believe the whole country is going along with the ruse!

It is hard to get the idea across, but once again (I hate to keep repeating it) but 2/3 of Americans are brain dead. Just to mention one source, for the past many years the far left has been saturating our colleges with professors, and even the administration, that produced brain dead hard left nutty deadheads.

22 posted on 07/06/2008 11:02:30 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Aria

“Barry is just speeding away
Thought he was James Dean for a day

Then I guess he had to crash
Valium would have helped that dash
He said, hey babe, take a walk on the wild side
He said, hey honey, take a walk on the wild side
And the Demboslut girls say

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(doo)...”


23 posted on 07/06/2008 11:04:19 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: liberallarry
Disqualifying him on those grounds now - even if legitimate - would tear the country apart.

So if the grounds to disqualify him are legitimate then you would not mind if the laws of this country are just ignored?

24 posted on 07/06/2008 11:05:00 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Aria
This is a bogus claim the same was used against Goldwater (Arizona Territory) and some are trying to use it against McCain(Panama Canal Zone)Both were born of Mothers who were American Citizens so why bring up this CRAP (Im trying to be nice) When there is so much about this Closet Black Muslim to use.
25 posted on 07/06/2008 11:05:17 AM PDT by tsali
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To: Logical me

But surely our countrymen have a few brain cells at least still functioning—if only we can get their attention. That, I think, is the challenge!


26 posted on 07/06/2008 11:05:19 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
"I can’t believe the whole country is going along with the ruse!"

Really? Have you considered who he's running against?

Another liar with no coherent message.

27 posted on 07/06/2008 11:05:34 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: Always Right
Obama is definitely hiding something. It is speculation as to what, but he is hiding something.

I would looooove to see that he was not born here, but I think the big deal is that he was named 'Berry' and has changed it to a muslim name, all the while claiming he is Christian. The fathers listed race of "African" on the BC was a dead give away. This could very well sink him and give Hillary another chance if it starts blowing up! Don't wait on McCain to do anything; wimp.

28 posted on 07/06/2008 11:05:47 AM PDT by Bommer (A Third Party can win when Republicans and Democraps stand for the same thing!)
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To: ncfool

Now is that a conspiracy theory?

There are enough conspiracy theories to fill up Vince Bugliosi’s 1500 page book many times over. Your theory is a WAG, almost no basis in fact, yet.... Could it happen? Would it cause RIOTS in the street?

I bet it would.

By the way, there are conspiracies. For example, the ultimate one?

LBJ killed JFK, Hoover altered the evidence. History will look back on us as fools for not figuring that one out!


29 posted on 07/06/2008 11:06:59 AM PDT by BILL_C (Those who don't understand the lessons of history are bound to repeat them!)
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To: Aria
Obama cannot be allowed to be CIC. The Military will leave in droves just like in the Clinton years. This will again leave us vulnerable to plottings like 9/11. Get out the vote! A vote for McCain is a vote against Obama.
30 posted on 07/06/2008 11:07:09 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Always Right
Obama is definitely hiding something. It is speculation as to what, but he is hiding something. I think Obama might have told some pretty big whoppers, and the real birth certificate would shine light on to those.

I agree that it's likely more than rope-a-dope, but regardless, even if he were born elsewhere, he'd qualify for the legal requirements of the office of President.

However, that doesn't mean there aren't questionable things on his Birth Record (not to be confused with birth certificate). Frank Abagnale Jr

31 posted on 07/06/2008 11:08:54 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: EEDUDE

A very unfortunate circumstance, I agree. But scoundrels have long abounded in politics, the Obamameister is taking it to a new level, wrapped in an ideology that our citizenry still, in sum, rejects!


32 posted on 07/06/2008 11:08:55 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: liberallarry
Disqualifying him on those grounds now - even if legitimate - would tear the country apart.

That would be a good thing.

33 posted on 07/06/2008 11:10:22 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: EagleUSA

Thanks. Great comments.

I waver back and forth between who or what is the biggest danger to America, freedom and the survival of Western civilization. Is it Islamofascism or the Marxists/leftists/ traitors and fifth columnists in our own country.

I’m beginning to think it’s the vast hard left wing conspiracy right here in our own country.


34 posted on 07/06/2008 11:10:37 AM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam. TWP VRWC)
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To: liberallarry
"Disqualifying him on those grounds now - even if legitimate - would tear the country apart"

Yeah, cuz we're so unum now. It'd be sad and so drear to be estranged from the Leftists.


35 posted on 07/06/2008 11:11:23 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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Obama disqualified himself for the Presidency the second he stated he would sit down and negotiate with supporters of terrorism.

McCain disqualified himself for the Presidency the second he answered a question in a debate about a hypothetical in which America had already been attacked, intel officers had terrorists in their custody who had knowledge that could prevent a second attack, and he stated that he would not in such a scenario authorize water-boarding of those terrorists to prevent the attack.


36 posted on 07/06/2008 11:12:23 AM PDT by LaurenD
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To: liberallarry

“Disqualifying him on those grounds now - even if legitimate - would tear the country apart.”

Spoken like a true Obamaniac.


37 posted on 07/06/2008 11:12:53 AM PDT by motoman
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To: liberallarry

You were being sarcastic, right?


38 posted on 07/06/2008 11:13:01 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: tsali
This is a bogus claim the same was used against Goldwater (Arizona Territory) and some are trying to use it against McCain(Panama Canal Zone)Both were born of Mothers who were American Citizens so why bring up this CRAP

Because the areas you listed are under US jurisdiction and therefore a person born there is indeed a citizen. However if Berry was born in a foreign country not considered US territory, he is disqualified period! His refusial to release his birth certificate is pretty damning of something, just like John Kerry refusing to sign SF180, otherwise why hide it?

39 posted on 07/06/2008 11:13:26 AM PDT by Bommer (A Third Party can win when Republicans and Democraps stand for the same thing!)
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To: ncfool
The clinton’s are waiting until the week before to leak and discredit Obama. So the confusion will allow the Superdelegates to call for a floor vote. The rest will be history. Now is that a conspiracy therory?

Actually a pretty good one.

Saves the madam several months of campaigning, money, and worst of all, answering the press.

40 posted on 07/06/2008 11:13:47 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: ncfool
The clinton’s are waiting until the week before to leak and discredit Obama. So the confusion will allow the Superdelegates to call for a floor vote. The rest will be history. Now is that a conspiracy therory?

This was my thought also. Hillary is counting on us to be the ones to take out Barry at the final hour before the conventionfor her, leaving her hands clean. Then she can 'reluctantly' step in and take the nomination forward, with Obama ineligible to even be chosen as VP. She's counting on the blacks to support her against the evil republicans who took out their beloved Obamesiah, while she had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it.

41 posted on 07/06/2008 11:16:41 AM PDT by Bush_Democrat (Ex-Dem since 2001 *Folding@Home for the Gipper - Join the FReeper Folders*)
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To: Aria
Sure the questions are reasonable. What is not reasonable is that the government that is sworn to protect us has not checked this out thoroughly. Just shows you how our country is being run.
42 posted on 07/06/2008 11:17:00 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: Mamzelle
Call me Machiavellian, but I suspect a plot to embarrass Obama detractors. Let us make a big fuss about it, and then produce the authentic cert.

Bingo! We have a winner!

-ccm

43 posted on 07/06/2008 11:17:29 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: pissant

Even if he wasn’t born in HI, if his mother is American, doesn’t that mean he’s a citizen? Of course if it should turn our that he wasn’t born in HI but he has said he was, then he would be proven (again) to be a liar.


44 posted on 07/06/2008 11:17:48 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie (<----- Typical White Person)
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To: Aria

Once and for all, no, it is not a forgery, and we shouldn’t be wasting time on this false flag: http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5626


45 posted on 07/06/2008 11:17:55 AM PDT by piytar
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To: Aria

The important thing about this small blurb on the National Review website is that this story is slowly working its way into the mainstream. Eventually it will become impossible for the “major media” to continue to ignore it.

I sense that this will pose major problems for Obama, if the story gets wider dissemination. Evenutally, with the fake certification of birth exposed, and with growing rumors that he just might have been born somewhere else other than Hawaii, Obama’s only recourse will be to permit examination of his _original_ birth certificate in Hawaii (or, the record of that on microfilm or microfiche). That is, if such a document exists.

If it gets that far, and if he cannot produce the original documentation - or if he refuses to permit such documentation to be examined - the “wild rumors” of such things as “a Kenyan birth” might prove to be a litttle less wild!

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a major change in “Obama’s story” if that happens....

- John


46 posted on 07/06/2008 11:17:56 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: liberallarry

let the tearing begin


47 posted on 07/06/2008 11:18:32 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: liberallarry
Disqualifying him on those grounds now - even if legitimate - would tear the country apart.

So your argument is that we should merely shrug and say "my bad" if it comes to light that he is not a natural born citizen?

Surely you jest!

48 posted on 07/06/2008 11:19:28 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: tsali

IIRC the specifics of the claim is that Barry’s mama was 18 at the time of his birth, and the only way a US citizen can confer citizenship on a child NOT BORN in the US is if she had (at the time of the child’s birth) resided in the US for 5 years after the age of 16. She would not qualify under that provision, if Barry was NOT born in Hawaii.


49 posted on 07/06/2008 11:19:50 AM PDT by Bush_Democrat (Ex-Dem since 2001 *Folding@Home for the Gipper - Join the FReeper Folders*)
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To: Aria

It seems the obvious reason why Obama isn’t running to provide an authentic birth certificate is because he doesn’t need to. Nobody cares about this outside of the right wing blogosphere. He’d be stupid to stop, get off message and lend credence to every conspiracy theory we can dream up.


50 posted on 07/06/2008 11:19:51 AM PDT by lgwdnbdgr
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