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Is There Legitimate Doubt About Obama's Eligibility to be President?
The Corner on National Review Online ^ | 7/6/2008 | Andy McCarthy

Posted on 07/06/2008 10:47:57 AM PDT by Aria

I had not caught up until today with this apparent controversy over whether the Hawaii birth certificate proffered by Obama's campaign is a forgery and whether there are legitimate questions about whether he was born in the United States — if he wasn't, he almost certainly would not be qualified under the Constitution and relevant immigration statutes to be president. Our Jim Geraghty seemed to pooh-pooh the birth certificate controversy about a week ago, but according to the above cited report (at a site called DougRoss@Journal) and a new one from Israeli Insider, there are new developments, and the Obama campaign appears to be stonewalling. Shouldn't it be a fairly easy matter to prove he was born in Hawaii if he really was? Why wouldn't Obama just end this quickly?

Is there anything to this?

ADDENDUM: I should add to the above that I am not a conspiracy theorist. My predisposition on the many stories floating around about Obama and his circle is to ignore them on the following theory: If there was really anything to this or that, the Clintons would have found it and gotten their media friends all over it. This story about Obama's eligibility puzzles me because (a) it is so basic, (b) it should be so easy to prove the relevant facts of his birth, (c) the Obama campaign's response to the story is bizarre, and (d) it seems to be getting worse rather than resolved.

07/06 12:09 PM


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; forgery; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamatruthfile
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To: freekitty

That’s a very insightful comment because everyone assumes the Democratic nominee has been chosen. Nothing could be further from the truth and what better way for the Clintons to hide their tracks than to float this in the blogosphere and let the pajamahadeen run the story to ground.


51 posted on 07/06/2008 11:20:55 AM PDT by saganite
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To: Aria

I’ve wondered long ago if Obama was born in this country.
If the birth certificate which was posted on KOS is a forgery, then where is Obama’s real one?
Would he not have had to submit one when he registered his candidacy? It should be a matter of public record.

Wouldn’t it be nice however, if this America hating scum was disqualified because he was born in Kenya? (which makes sense)


52 posted on 07/06/2008 11:23:23 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Vinnie

Absolutely not. Dead serious.

Where you should be attacking him is on his connections with Wright, Farrakhan and the like. If a Michelle tape exists and comes to light he’s toast.


53 posted on 07/06/2008 11:25:08 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: originalbuckeye
The Military will leave in droves just like in the Clinton years.
FWIW, the military is leaving in droves now! Captains and majors facing their third and fourth combat tours, and potential divorce, are choosing to leave in large numbers; many of them the best and brightest.
54 posted on 07/06/2008 11:27:04 AM PDT by ER Doc
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To: Aria

I’m not so sure this isn’t something floated by Obama’s campaign to discredit those who question him on other things.


55 posted on 07/06/2008 11:27:49 AM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: 9YearLurker

Have you ever gotten to the point in your life where you thought that the best thing that could happen is that the whole thing burns to the ground and you’d get to start over?

I think that’s where the electorate is today.

Here in Indiana, which should be a very red state, I sense NO enthusiasm for McCain.

People don’t know what they want, but they damn sure know what they don’t want.

I think that’s why the “change” mantra is resonating. McCain is up against the wall.


56 posted on 07/06/2008 11:28:20 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: piytar

That was a very interesting link. Thanks.


57 posted on 07/06/2008 11:29:57 AM PDT by Aria (Obama: Potluck for President! "I serve as a blank screen on which people..project their own views")
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To: 9YearLurker
But what politician has ever tried—let alone succeeded—before in passing off a fictionalized account of his life as an autobiography?

JFK?

58 posted on 07/06/2008 11:31:05 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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To: 9YearLurker
"But surely our countrymen have a few brain cells at least still functioning..."

Surely you jest. How many citizens do you think have actually read the Constitution with the exception of those studying first year Constitutional Law or citizens old enough to have read it in grade school when Civics was taught? The late nite shows have no problem finding people who haven't the faintest idea who the sitting VP is, and you think they would know what the requirements to be President are? LOL!

Many posters on FR are unable to grasp the difference in a citizen and a natural born citizen, and you expect the public as a whole to figure out what the Constitution says about the requirements for President and then apply them to the candidates running?

59 posted on 07/06/2008 11:33:22 AM PDT by penowa
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To: Aria

Obama’s mother was an American so he is too.


60 posted on 07/06/2008 11:35:34 AM PDT by Thud
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To: penowa

Yes, well, I agree, I think that is too fine a point for the public consumption. But I think it might be a piece in a larger picture of both fraud and radical politics that needs to be painted if he was passing off as real not just a falsely created copy of a certificate of birth, but one with false information, on his web site. The something to hide fits in with the radicalism, and such issues need to at least percolate here over the summer, so they can really be brought out at the time of and after the Democrat convention.

Obama’s very real unsuitability is our only hope, btw, as our own candidate doesn’t shine himself.


61 posted on 07/06/2008 11:38:16 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Mamzelle
Call me Machiavellian, but I suspect a plot to embarrass Obama detractors. Let us make a big fuss about it, and then produce the authentic cert.

You're not alone in that theory.

62 posted on 07/06/2008 11:39:51 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: EEDUDE

Have we become that weak a country that quickly? That a bit of a housing bubble and some unpleasant increases in prices are enough to turn the country to Marxism?


63 posted on 07/06/2008 11:40:17 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: browardchad

I worry about that as well, but there’s a good and a not-so-good way about getting to the bottom of it.


64 posted on 07/06/2008 11:41:11 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Aria; All
"Is There Legitimate Doubt About Obama's Eligibility to be President?"

Obama Sign

Obama Change Diaper

65 posted on 07/06/2008 11:42:41 AM PDT by musicman
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To: 9YearLurker
I know Obama has said that words are pretty important. But so are symbols. I found this interesting. The symbol of Stalin/Lenin had similar “star” as the Obama poster at http://pentdego.com/obama.aspx

Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting


66 posted on 07/06/2008 11:43:44 AM PDT by cruise_missile ('')
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To: 9YearLurker

“That a bit of a housing bubble and some unpleasant increases in prices are enough to turn the country to Marxism?”

No, but I don’t think a lot of Obama supporters would recognize a Marxist if it bit them on the ass.


67 posted on 07/06/2008 11:47:21 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: tsali
I disagree.

Any candidate for President is required to prove he is a natural born citizen. Goldwater, McCain, & Romney can do so. Obama has not done so.

As a matter of fact; We, The People have no idea where, when, or to whom Obama was born. And make no mistake on this, the burden of proof is on Senator Obama.

A simple birth certificate supporting his “natural born citizen” status is all that is needed. Senator Obama is required to produce it. He has not done so. If he does not, he is disqualified by the highest law of the land...the Constitution.

At this very moment, Senator Obama is flouting the Constitution of the United States of America. It doesn't get anymore serious than that.

68 posted on 07/06/2008 11:47:51 AM PDT by DakotaGator (Journalists, Educators, Environmentalists, Democrats, & Rinos; Communism's Fifth Column!)
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To: Postman

Ha! Completely idiotic! You really want to see a repeat of the ‘60s riots magnified by 10? Where do you live that you wish for such a scenario?


69 posted on 07/06/2008 11:48:16 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: 9YearLurker
"That a bit of a housing bubble and some unpleasant increases in prices are enough to turn the country to Marxism?"

That, plus 40 yrs. of heavy duty brainwashing by the public schools and institutions of higher learning, as well as a daily dose of serious propaganda from the MSM has more than done the job IMO.

70 posted on 07/06/2008 11:49:09 AM PDT by penowa
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To: liberallarry

re: If Obama wasn’t a legitimate candidate he should have been disqualified during the long, LONG period he was running for the nomination.

On what grounds? The constitution states “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President.” The Constitution is silent on who can run for the nomination for president.

Whether or not Obama is a legitimate candidate or not, he is free to seek the nomination of a party, to accept that nomination, to run a campaign. The Constitution does not preclude any of that.

It’s only that, at the end of all that campaigning, if he is not a legitimate candidate, that he will not be eligible for the office of President. He can do whatever he wants up to that point.

That’s pretty clear to me. What’s also clear to me is that, if before, during, or after the inauguration, Obama turns out not to have been a legitimate candidate, and either becomes, or continues to be, president, then THAT would really tear the country apart. If Obama is not a legitimate candidate, then denying Obama the nomination of a political party will turn out to be, in my opinion, a relatively small story that would blow over in a few years. On the other hand, if Obama is, in fact, not a legitimate candidate, then allowing him to become, or remain, president would, in my opinion, be the foundation of a full-scale constitutional crisis. Members of every branch of our government from the Congress to the Supreme Court to the Executive Branch, including the military have all sworn to protect and defend the constitution. Contravening the constitution so directly would probably lead to more than a few deciding that their oath of office precluded them from accepting an illegitimate president.

Just my guess.


71 posted on 07/06/2008 11:49:32 AM PDT by Jubal Harshaw
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To: lgwdnbdgr

Good point.


72 posted on 07/06/2008 11:54:59 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Fishrrman

Now you’re on to something...the real problem in all of this may not be that he wasn’t born here. It may be what else is on the birth certificate. It may have a place for Religion (some states did back then). If that slot says Muslim or Islamic as his proud father may have insisted upon, it might all be over with that revelation. Perhaps it lists he has more siblings when we thought he was a first born...that would require more explanations. Perhaps the certificate says he was white...the father was not present for the delivery and even black babies are born white so with a white mother, white grandparents on an all white and polynesian island, perhaps it says he was white.

In any case, these details cloud our enigma candidate even more and perhaps they believe, past the tipping point of credibility. Remember, when you are trying to be all things to all people, the truth has a way of outing and making you nothing to most everybody.


73 posted on 07/06/2008 11:56:22 AM PDT by johnnycap
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To: 9YearLurker; Bahbah; AliVeritas; expatguy; Grampa Dave; Polarik

Wow- take a few hours off from this story and it just keeps on changing.

Now we have LGF and Charles Johnson (a most respectable fellow) http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30562_Obama_Birth_Certificate_Forgery_Myth_Destroyed

and he’s going with the StrataSphere debunking the whole fake COLB idea here:
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5626

While last night we had the famous (or infamous) Jay McKinnon interviewed by (himself?!) opendna over on Kos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/5/15947/95667/125/547039

My head is spinning.


74 posted on 07/06/2008 11:57:30 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Aria

Why did Hillary only suspend her campaign rather admit defeat. This is the first time a candidate clearly not having the votes did not admit defeat.


75 posted on 07/06/2008 11:57:39 AM PDT by spookie (SPOOKIE)
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To: EEDUDE
re: Here in Indiana, which should be a very red state, I sense NO enthusiasm for McCain.)))

I live in a county that went over 60% Bush. I have yet to see one McCain bumpersticker --and there are plenty for Obama.

76 posted on 07/06/2008 11:59:23 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: lgwdnbdgr

Obvious to you evidently...but then I tend to suspect a campaign with it’s own smear control effort would be a little more reactive to an issue like BC fraud unless I was part of the BHO Smear Control brigade...???


77 posted on 07/06/2008 12:00:42 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: liberallarry
Disqualifying him on those grounds now - even if legitimate - would tear the country apart.

Think about your statement. You are saying that the law, in this case the law governing the qualifications for the highest office in the land, should be ignored if it upsets people.

IOW, the legitimacy of the law should be determined by whom it is being applied to.

And, not so subtly, you are saying that it would be racist to apply the law equally to a (sort of) black candidate as it already is to white candidates.

Finally, you are admitting that the left has balkanized our country so severely by inciting racism continually as a political tool, that we have to ignore the law (a very good law in this case) to prevent civil war.

The proud legacy of liberalism and liberal racism.

78 posted on 07/06/2008 12:00:42 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Fishrrman

hmmmmm...I’m always good for a fun conspiracy theory.

Barack’s first book was only published in January, 2007, by which point he was certainly planning his run for President. Does anyone know if he explicitly states in that book that he was born in HI?

I haven’t read any of his books, but an Amazon reviewer wrote this:

The author met his father but once, when he was ten years old. Dr. Barack Obama was already married (p 422) when he met his namesake’s mother while studying in the States. He returned to Africa alone, married again (and again) and had more children.

Does it sound to you as though Obama’s parents were never married? Could there be something on the BC to that effect? I’d always heard that his parents were married.


79 posted on 07/06/2008 12:00:54 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (<----- Typical White Person)
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To: Ingtar
re: I’m not so sure this isn’t something floated by Obama’s campaign to discredit those who question him on other things.))0

Yes, but we absolutely have to right to see the authentic birth cert--just as candidates release tax returns.

80 posted on 07/06/2008 12:01:43 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: spookie

“Why did Hillary only suspend her campaign rather admit defeat. This is the first time a candidate clearly not having the votes did not admit defeat.”

-the answer is pragmatism, you can’t raise money to pay off campaign debt prior to the convention if you officially end your campaign...you can if you suspend your campaign.


81 posted on 07/06/2008 12:02:51 PM PDT by johnnycap
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To: 9YearLurker
But what politician has ever tried—let alone succeeded—before in passing off a fictionalized account of his life as an autobiography?

Thank you, 9yrlurker, for pointing this out. This point needs to be hammered home every chance we get. Obama was essentially a nobody when he wrote his autobiography. What was his purpose for writing this, as who would want to read the autobiography of a nobody? Obama's likely purpose was to create a "reference book" on Obama for the lazy press, and the even less curious voters. The witness protection program creates personas too.

"Dreams From My Father" contains composite characters, which in itself should disqualify this book from being characterized as an autobiography.

82 posted on 07/06/2008 12:03:35 PM PDT by Fizzie
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To: originalbuckeye
The Military will leave in droves just like in the Clinton years.

It should also be noted that the Clintons conducted a "purge" of the US military. A large number of career officers were not so subtly "encouraged" to retire.

83 posted on 07/06/2008 12:06:33 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Mamzelle

Your theory actually hurts Obama more because on his own website stop the smears, he has posted the fake certificate of live birth. He has already produced, put out to the world and stood by a forgery.


84 posted on 07/06/2008 12:07:59 PM PDT by jrooney (Obama's mentor says God Da*n America. That explains Obama's refusal to put his hand over his heart.)
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To: liberallarry

“Disqualifying him on those grounds now - even if legitimate - would tear the country apart.”

How about when he loses? Would that make ya happier? K


85 posted on 07/06/2008 12:09:03 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U
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To: 9YearLurker

“He’s telling several whoppers a week now,..”

And one of the biggest is his supposed effectiveness as a “community activist” to inflate his pathetic lack of credentials to be President. See the article on Doug Ross@Journal for the real truth about Barry Hussein’s “success” in the Chicago slums.

Of course, when you are living in a high-priced condo in Hyde Park (where did he get the money?) and your best buddy is a slumlord, it’s hard to really get down with “the little people.”


86 posted on 07/06/2008 12:09:17 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: liberallarry

huh ? you would be willing to throw the Constitution under the bus with Obama Grandmother and Reverend ?


87 posted on 07/06/2008 12:09:33 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: SE Mom

Andy McCarthy says just what we have been saying. There is no reason for this to be an issue if it isn’t an issue for some reason or other.


88 posted on 07/06/2008 12:10:25 PM PDT by Bahbah (Typical white person)
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To: lgwdnbdgr

“It seems the obvious reason why Obama isn’t running to provide an authentic birth certificate is because he doesn’t need to.”

Yep, Keeps us buy while they work under radar.

I say forget this. Klintonistas will think of something.


89 posted on 07/06/2008 12:12:18 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U
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To: Aria
If there was really anything to this or that, the Clintons would have found it and gotten their media friends all over it. This story about Obama's eligibility puzzles me because

Many seem to make this false assumption.

90 posted on 07/06/2008 12:12:57 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Bahbah

Exactly. And now for that aspirin from yesterday ;)


91 posted on 07/06/2008 12:16:26 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: piytar

Sorry, but you fail to acknowledge a key fact: Other than the manufactured facsimile of his alleged birth certificate, the Obama campaign has yet to simply post an image of a certified, authentic copy from the state of HI. No one, not even the poster of the link you provided, has yet to satisfactorily respond to this nagging fact. An NO ONE, not a single living person, including hospital staff or relatives thereof, family, friends,...etc has yet to come forward as a witness to his alleged birth in Ouhau, HI. No positive results of his birth through records searches, either paid or free through the public, have produced any such evidence either. There is only one way to put this to rest - produce the authentic BC.


92 posted on 07/06/2008 12:16:44 PM PDT by motoman
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To: liberallarry
Disqualifying him on those grounds now - even if legitimate - would tear the country apart.

So what happened to "We're a Nation of Laws"?

Ignore those laws that have the potential to (*gasp*) "tear the country apart"?

C'mon Larry, don't you believe the Law should apply to every American, from the common man in the street, to presidential candidates?
93 posted on 07/06/2008 12:17:52 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: Mamzelle

“I live in a county that went over 60% Bush. I have yet to see one McCain bumpersticker —and there are plenty for Obama.”

Same here. Not one.


94 posted on 07/06/2008 12:18:09 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: Jubal Harshaw
This is just ridiculous. Had he been exposed as an illegitimate candidate the Democrats never would have selected him.

If a Michelle tape surfaces, or Obama is exposed as a hopeless flip-flop artist, or has yet unrevealed ties to criminals like Rezco, he'll lose and his supporters, though bitterly disappointed, will accept it.

But what is being attempted here, is a racially motivated - I'll repeat that - racially motivated attempt to disqualify him on the most chicken-shit grounds imaginable. Similar in every way to the old voting laws used in segregated states a half century ago.

You're not fooling anybody but yourselves.

95 posted on 07/06/2008 12:19:24 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: EEDUDE

In my midwestern city, there are still plenty of W04 stickers, haven’t seen a single McCain sticker. As far as I can tell, McCain is not even campaigning.


96 posted on 07/06/2008 12:20:14 PM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: pissant
Has anyone looked into the Obama/Dunham marriage records to see if they were really married?

They met in Hawaii in a Russian language class so did they marry in Hawaii? Are marriage and divorce records hidden from the public in Hawaii as birth certificates are?

It's an angle that should also be pursued, which would shed more light on Obama's past and may provide more insight on his birth.

97 posted on 07/06/2008 12:21:52 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Aria
If there was really anything to this or that, the Clintons would have found it and gotten their media friends all over it.

Maybe this is Hillary's "August Surprise".

the Obama campaign's response to the story is bizarre

It's got that weird, White Water-ish quality to it. The Clintons had a penchant for tap-dancing around any questions whatsoever. The result was they they look guilty even on those few occasions when they hadn't really done anything. Now the Obamessiah is doing the same thing.

He's feeling guilty about something. What is it?

98 posted on 07/06/2008 12:22:04 PM PDT by Redcloak ("Yes, I have been drinking. Why do you ask?" #1 on the list of "Things heard from McCain voters")
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To: liberallarry
"Disqualifying him on those grounds now - even if legitimate - would tear the country apart."

If there is anything to this 'he wasn't born in this country' stuff, which I seriously doubt, he should be disqualified. The act of following our Constitution and laws will not tear the country apart ... it will be a bunch of thugs in the street that accomplish that task.

Having said that, disqualification should have occurred immediately after he filed to run. Does anyone happen to know who, if anyone, is actually responsible for making sure that a candidate is a legal candidate before he/she ever gets on a ballot?

99 posted on 07/06/2008 12:23:41 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde ("When the government fears the people there is liberty ... " Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Aria

I don’t understand why people are not bothered by the cert number being blacked out. FGS, it says right on the document that any alterations render it invalid.

I can’t think of any legitimate reason to redact that number. The people now convinced that the document is real do not address this. The Obama camp needs to explain it and also why it will not produce the original.


100 posted on 07/06/2008 12:25:37 PM PDT by freespirited (Never vote for a man who gets his nails done.)
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